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to a source close to cohen. >> in fairness, he's probably been expecting to be arrested for years. someone probably rsvps to wedding, yes, unless indicted. . >> white house driveway and putin is next on trump's agenda. the wish to sit down with the russian president. the 11th hour on a friday night begins now. good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters.
day 512 of the trump administration. it is the top of the gop field in 2016 is behind bars. bawl manafort is spending his first night in a virginia jail after a federal judge in washington d.c. revoked jail pref l privileges. >> his role in the campaign have made him a target for mueller's team. he is standing by to join us, summed up the lest.
it. >> i have known him a long time. >> we have great people. paul manafort. he didn't need to do that. he said this is something special. >> paul manafort has done an amazing job. where is paul? paul manafort. >> rudy giuliani had his own thoughts telling the new york daily news when the whole thing is over things might get cleaned up with some presidential pardons. giuliani later -- >> wait. >> listen. >> he is not going to pardon anybody in this investigation.
she not going to give up his right to pardon. michael cohen under criminal investigation in manhattan, there are more reports the president's personal attorney is set to be open with some sort of cooperation with the government. they said prosecutors have extracted more than 700 pages of messages. they are reconstructed 16 pange of a shredding machine. the president had his own comments about cohen earlier this morning. >> are you worried michael cohen might flip? >> i did nothing wrong. you to understand. this would have koum out a long time ago. >> i haven't spoken to michael in a long time!
is he still your lawyer? >> not my lawyer. >> i always liked michael. >> i did nothing wrong. senior white house reporter was in court today in washington where paul manafort was. chuck rosenberg, former fbi official. thanks for being with us. let me start with you. you were where the action was this morning. we learned tonight manafort has been booked in jail. it is about two hours outside of washington d.c. the event that resulted in him being sent there in that courtroom, tell us what the scene was like. what was the expectation when you walked in there? was the expectation that is judge might take this action?
>> i certainly wasn't a big surprise. i think everybody going into that courtroom realized it was at a minimum possibility that manafort would be brought to jail. we saw fbi agents in what seemed to be them making some preparations for what was going to come next for mr. manafort. >> i think they had a sense of what was coming. the judge gave some sort of ahead fake. she suggested he was going to give one more chance and said she couldn't trust manafort.
she just didn't think she could trust him to abide by whatever conditions she might impose. >> could you read from his body language? any kind of reaction from paul manafort? >> he seemed rather resigned. he has been resigned. he seemed a little more dour and gave his wife sort of a half wave as he was leaving the courtroom lead away by two marshals. he wasn't handcuffed or anything just taken out after the judge ordered him to be put into custody and eventually i guess hours later moved to this jail south of washington. >> barbara, let me bring you in on the decision this judge made. we can show a couple of the quotes as she issued this order today. she said this isn't middle school. i can't take his cell phone.
if i say don't call the 56 witness that is mr. westling tells me i need clearly listed in the order will he call the 57th. mr. westling the attorney in court today. she also said you seem inclined as just another marketing exercise and not a criminal case. how unusual is it in a matter like this if there are other matters like this far judge to make a decision like this. >> if there are allegations of witness tamp rerg to revoke a bond. it is considered a very serious crime especially by judges. it is a crime on the integrity of the criminal justice system. i was not surprised to see the judge revoke bond here.
t you want today hear whether manafort that might change her mind. they found she couldn't trust him again to comply with the conditions now that he has breached it in a very serious way. >> from the standpoint of mueller that really sort of started all of this. the question is does it make it more likely for manafort to want to seek some kind of a deal with the special council. do you think those odds in his mind went up because of this? >> yes and no. sheer why. manafort was already facing a lot of counts and a lot of time in jail. he had every incentive. he has every incentive to cooperate. it hasn't really changd very much. what changed is he was on bond
and now he is not. >> i think it perhaps changes slightly. perhaps it sharpens it a bit. in the main, no. he always had incentive to cooperate. it is a question of of whether or not he wants to go to trial. i don't think it changes very much. >> when it come to legal matters there is a wild card here in what trump's attorney is saying today about this question of mar dons. he sesz at one point this whole investigation might end with presidential pardons. he says it's not going to happen and the president reserves his right. does hi defense team here, does it enter into their strategic calculations. >> i don't know.
you know, rudy giuliani, it is hard to know whether he is bubbling or being strategic in dangling it out there and letting manafort know and reminding hip of that i think he has a lot of pressure on whether to go to trial or bleed and cooperate. he still have time and spending motions to suppress evidence. he may want to see how those come oucht. a favorable desession could make the case against him weaker. he has until july 25th until his trial begins. he has little time to see how things shake out. so much happens in a day that he has a little time on his hands. i think the desises cisions on
motions that we may have to make a decision here. >> yes. do you have any sense of how they are interpreting the comments about his relationship to campaign? how is it being interpreted on the manafort side? >> well what i can tell you, steve, is that they have gone out of the way on the manafort side to stress they are in court or public in some instances. i find it to be a message of trying to get on the president's good side, to try to underscore some of the themes the president has struck in the course of this investigation. you heard the president in the clip making a comment about how it ges back 12 years. the president says why is he
being treated like a mob boss. in terms of a pardon i think it's something they want to stay away from. it simply has to be part of what may have let manafort to hold out as long as he has. >> you know, i guess when we talk about the possibility of some kind of a deal and some kind of a cooperation it preseems that he has nflgs that mueller and special council's team could find valuable and useful. there is nothing to the idea of collusion when his sort of political orbit and russia. if manafort couldn't shine any light would he be of any value in terms of cooperating? >> not everyone has information
that's valuable. the way it is constructed and those are the guidelines that helps the court and judge in a sentence you still get credit. you still get some consideration for accepting responsibility. so defendants always have some incentive to plead guilty. they get more consideration if they have valuable information. that said it is really hard to imagine that this guy doesn't have valuable information. perhaps it's not about the president. it could be about michael cohechbcohen. it could be about a bunch of other people. folks that names have not surfaced yet. either way i think he has se incentive to plead and cooperate. most become convicted felons. most become cooperators. >> on that note we will end this
discussion. thank you all. coming up, what it means for president trump, his west wing an his party. he wrongly blames democrats for separating children and parntds hoping to cross the border even as they keep enforcing the policy. the 11th hour just getting started on this friday night. ahh... summer is coming. and it's time to get outside. pack in even more adventure with audible. with the largest selection of audiobooks. audible lets you follow plot twists off the beaten track. or discover magic when you hit the open road. with the free audible app, your stories go wherever you do. and for just $14.95 a month you get a credit, good for any audiobook. if you don't like it exchange it any time. no questions asked. you can also roll your credits to the next month if you don't use them. so take audible with you this summer... on the road...
i have always been a good man. >> that was president trump last summer seeming to distance himself from his former campaign chairman after a predawn raid on manafort's house. >> it has nothing do with our campaign. they went back 12 year to get things he did 12 years ago. paul manafort worked for me a short period of time. he worked for john mccain. he worked for many other republicans. he worked for me 49 days or something? a very short period of time. gingrich said it should not be under estimated. >> i thought paul did an important job getting the tam
pain more of a professional campaign. >> the russia investigation appearing to be a what impact it could have. here to talk about it former chairman of the republican naugsal committee and nancy cook. nancy, it is interesting because so many democrats, so many trump critics seem to be following every incountkre mental develop. russia doesn't seem to be as prominent. >> yeah. i think for a lot of democrats they don't want to sort of overplay their hand. i think privately there is a real interest in taking back the house. i think if that happens the democratic controlled house
oversite committee would bury under investigations. i think there's a feeling they want to talk about other sort of forward looking messages. they want to talk about tax cuts, health care and things they can actually offer voters. they feel politically if they are fatalking about health care they may be more if they are talking about the investigation. what is a worse issue to be talking about far candidate? defending the president on
mueller in. >>. >> i think it depends what area you're from. you don't want to have conversations about donald trump and investigations and mueller. you want to make it local. all politics will be local for you. you'll talk about the tax cuts if you're republican. if you're a democrat and we are start to go see this message pop up in places where it will be a competitive race for governor you're trying to do the republican candidate if you're democrat to the president. begun, it depends where you are. so there's still a lot of turf left to cover before we get a sense how manafort and mueller and trump all play out for both parties going into september. >> there is a possibility too the way this mueller investigation is playing out is there will be an indictment here, plae deal here, a leak
here. in terms of something comprehensive assertions about what happened. we haven't had that yet. there is the possibility something could break before this election and effect the campaign that way. >> of course it certainly could. it could be something in the form of, you know, report to congress. we don't know because he has played his card so close. i think the bigger risk is just that, you know, trump has really gone around and sort of tried to undermine institutions like the department of justice, the fbi. i think in doing so he is really sort of -- he tried to create this echo chamber so people are more suspicious of institutions. it could backfire a bit. it could mean that republican voters, you know, they are not less interested in the government and may not want to come out to the polls.
>> i was looking at some polls app how republicans feel about it right now. if you look at how they are doing with their own party besides george w. bush no president has had his own higher rating with his own party than trump does right now. so the question is how do you do it? it is a lot of things that people likes about what he has done, not so much how he has done it or how he talked about
it it gets back to whether or not they want to carry that particular baggage. if the tariffs imploed and insurance premiums go up that will be a tough narrative for republicans to walk into november itself. >> it is thank you for joining us. coming up about 50 children per day parents separated under a zero tolerance at the border. the president weighed in. that's ahead when the 11th hour comes right back. been jimmy's longest.
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but strong. i don't want bad people coming in. i don't want drugs coming in. >> tell them to call me. a staggering number of children having taken from their parents and sent to desengs centers. in fact it is the result of a trump administration policy. in april the department of justice directed federal prosecutors to adopt a zero tolerance pollty. it will be charged with a federal crime. as our colleagues reported tonight, 360 kids were taken between june 3rd and june 11th.
we have white house correspondent covering immigration and foreign affairs. let me start with you. i think it's behind what what you hear him saying there in terms of trying to pin it on democrats. he calculated he will gain congressional negotiations by continuing to enforce a policy he claims to hate. so they have saying the president sees it as leverage to get a deal from democrats on
imkbragi immigration. >> yes. he believes they will be willing the give up more. i was on capitol hill today who said their constituents don't like the policies. they know this policy is unsustainable which is why they are blaming democrats and that the attorney general argued this week is apolicy that comes from god. i don't know if you saw it.
>> to the white house the sending signals that if the president sees this as leverage in trying to get something through on immigration that the contours of what that i are looking for includes the wall, limits and restrictions on immigration, protection for families at the border. is there any appetite to go down that road or is it a complete dead end to start with? >> let's remember that back in january when they were talking about taking away daca. they were ready to cut a deal and ready to pay for the wall.
that's where the line will be drawn. it is an overhaul of the american immigration system. it really would change the fabric of how we do immigration focusing on family migration and taking care and making sure you keep families together. think it's part of what you're seeing today this week with some of the concerns about separating children and families. there is concern about that. we are getting away from that. >> and i think it was diane who came out that would keep families together at the border. is there a chance that republicans start turning towards legislation like that? >> i mean not immediately.
what you have seen as a republican party that is very much with president trump and a lot of these lawmakers and thing think families should be kept together. a lot of them believe it is more than they kair about unification on the mexican us border. what we are seeing is a white house that believes strongly in a policy of stopping that kind of migration and willing to separate families for the purposes of driving political leverage. >> what has the reaction been outside of the united states?
the administration has seemed to make the case that this policy also is some kind of deterrent. is it having that kind of effect? presidents have continue today take this risk. we did see record drops in migration to the united states. that chained in the past year. we are seeing new high levels. different experts have different reasons. the big reason is look, the laws are the laws. if you can prove you have a credible fear, if you can prove if you were turned you could be killed, your life would be in danger the laws are the laws. they will give you the chance to
get a court hearing, to get your case in front of a judge. president trump calling those loopholes. you'll continue to see this fight. it is not going away. >> thank you both for being with us. >> thank you. is it a joke or does the president really want to be treated like kim jong un? the 11th hour back after this. metastatic breast cancer is relentless, but i'm relentless too. mbc doesn't take a day off, and neither will i. and i treat my mbc with new everyday verzenio- the only one of its kind that can be taken every day. in fact, verzenio is a cdk4 & 6 inhibitor
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it could happen. he is the head of a country. he speaks and his feem sit up at attention. i want my people to do the same. >> praising kim jong un and his control over the people of north korea. when later pressed bay reporter on the white house lawn trump insisted he was just joking. he joked even the administration friendly fox news was not as laf iish. maybe he should get a job at u.s. television instead.
discussion. kim jong un has 100,000 or more political prisoners. that's the size of a city like south bend, indiana. or gainesville, florida. it didn't merit a lot of attention. it certainly wasn't a precondition to the meeting. there is concern when the president speaks highly of the leaders and praises them that it's of the moral leadership that the u.s. often provides around the world and presses leaders to do better on human rights and to do more on, you know, forcing democratic institutions. >> you know, he says there is a history of president trump talking about leaders and he talks about the great control. they have the great power. these sorts of things. i'm wondering, can you see any
connection between him offering comments and any potential progress in terms of resolving the situation in could one at least potentially be connected to the other? >> will, first of all, i think it's per postrous -- i mean he is mass murder. she a dangerous man. he killed his own family. to some extent this is simply a named talk by the president. if he is doing it because he thinks it will change their strategic objectives and nuclear weapons won't have an impact on it at all. i think what it does have impact on is it unsettles democratic nations and citizen of the united states on what is he up to? does he actually admire mr.
putin? stamping out democracy, is he actually comfortable dealing with than when the u.k. prime minister and germany. the conclusion may be yes, he is. >> all right. a quick pause for us to squeeze in a break. both of you are staying with us. coming up, why president trump says it is president obama's fault russia invaded crimea. that's when the 11th hour continues. ahh... summer is coming. and it's time to get outside. pack in even more adventure with audible. with the largest selection of audiobooks. audible lets you follow plot twists off the beaten track. or discover magic when you hit the open road. with the free audible app, your stories go wherever you do. and for just $14.95 a month you get a credit,
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today's surprise, president trump expresds a willingness to meet with putinand said he thinks russia should be allowed back into the g7. he reports trump is pushing his team to arrange a one on one meeting with putinthis summer. he says there's no stopping him. he wants to have a meeting with putin. trump took aim at his predecessor today. >> president obama lost crimea because president putin didn't respect president obama, didn't respect our country or ukraine. when it's my fault i'll tell you but president obama gave away -- by not going across the red line
in the sand that he drew i went across it with the 59 missile hits. but president obama, when he didn't go across the red line, what hee away nobody even knows. one more time, president obama gave away crimea. it should have never happened. >> ken thomas, general, the red line that president trump is referring to there is 2013 serial chemical weapons saying that president obama at the time not following through on that red line sent a signal of weakness, lead putin to invade crimea. is that a credible claim? >> no. of course not. putin is running. the soviet union came apart. the only thing we care about is
oil and natural gas and cyber warfare. the committee is less than that of italy. the life is falling because of aids and heroin addiction and bad nutrition and alcoholism. they are a threat to neighbors. putin, we keep talking about how cleaver he is. he is isolating these beautiful people, ballet, hitture. sit a dangerous basket case and we should deal with them as such. >> a fascinating poll. they asked americans which world leader they think president trump has the best relationship with and you can see tags run away there putin, a number of others there up to 5% there. to you on putin, this meeting a
one on one of some sort is that your sense? >> yes. sit a strong possibility. the president will be going to the nato meeting next month. after that he will be going to the united kingdom to meet with theresa may. so, you know, it is certain lay possibility. his rhetoric is raising, you know, the possibility that, you you know, what would be on the table in a meeting with putin. it is part of russia, that is something that we have not been willing to do or is he looking at perhaps lifting some of the sanctions? both of those would be very controversial, but this message that he has been driving since
the g7 that russia should be returned or allow today return and that obama is the reason why this invasion took place. it seems to be creating some type of opening for this meeting with putin. >> in general outlining things that putin could stantd to gain in a mooting like that. is there anything the united states could gain in a meeting like that? >> no. i think they are important, a national security threat for sure. it is poland, ukraine. they are a continuing problem. we had a battle between u.s. forces. we may have killed a couple of hundred russians. there is a problem we need to stay attuned to. sort of back off this is not a
great power. there is no reason to not stand behind nato firmly and be aware of the national security threats for mr. putin to eastern europe in particular. >> thank you both for your time. >> good to be with you. coming up, the discourse in washington is so course we are have been to bleep staenators. the 11th hour back after this.
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our broadcast for tomorrow night. thank you for be with us. good night from nbc news he headquarters in new york. >> tonight on "all in." >> paul manafort has done an amazing job. he's here some place. where's paul. >> the president's campaign chairman in jail tonight. >> the you know, paul manafort worked for me for a very short period of time. >> a judge revoked paul manafort's bail after new charges of obstruction of justice. >> like manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. >> tonight, what this means for the mueller investigation and at increasing evidence of collusion. then. >> i always liked michael. >> the feds recover 700 pages of encrypted messages from trump's henchman michael cohen. >> look, i did nothing wrong. >> all in" has ob tabbed exclusive new details on some of