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that does it for me. i'm david gura. i will be back at 2:00 tomorrow afternoon and hand things over to aaron gilchrist. congratulations to your caps. >> the party's never over in d.c. thank you, sir. appreciate it. see you tomorrow. hello everyone i'm aaron gilchrist. heart break at the border. 2,000 children separated from the parents in just six weeks and president trump is till blaming democrats for his own policy. are these kids nothing more than bargaining chips? >> i hate the children being taken away. the democrats have to change their law. that's their law. >> if you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. and that child may be separated from you as required by law.
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>> smoke signals. as paul manafort spends his first full day behind bars, rudy giuliani says the russia investigation could get cleaned up with pardons. is he sending a message? truth lies and the president. we're counting the many ways president trump made false statements during his impromptu with reporters on friday. >> there is no seeming consequence to the president and lies. and if we accept that as a society, it is going to have incredibly harmful consequences in the way that we operate going forward. >> we begin with president trump once again blaming democrats for his administration's own policies that separate migrant children from their parents at the u.s. southern border. this morning he tweeted this. democrats can fix their forced family breakup at the border by working with republicans on new legislation. truth it, though, the separations are the result of the trump administration's zero tolerance policy announced in
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april by attorney general jeff sessions. yesterday we learned z on afternoon 46 migrant children are being separated everyday. a total of almost 2,000. federal government currently houses more than 11,000 migrant children and it's looking for new locations including u.s. air force bases to house the overflow. on thursday, it was announced that texas will be a tent city site. temperatures are forecast to soar into the triple digits next week. nbc's reporter is at a shelter in texas this afternoon. explain to us where you are and what strikes you most about the conditions there? >>reporter: this is a center run by cath liolic charities. they get a bus load of 100 immigrant the and families through the doors every single day. what strikes me is that this is
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the first respite these families are getting after making the trek north through mexico and across the u.s. border. i was embedded with the migrant caravan and i can tell you that the conditions in mexico just to even make it to the border from are central america, are harrowing. to then cross the border, now be federally prosecuted if the cross illegally, and if not, be placed in a nice detention center where they're dropped off at a greyhound bus station about a block from here. that is where they get in contact with these volunteers you see behind me who are ready to provide them with the most basic needs. things these families may not have had for the past month and a half. what you're seeing behind me is a migrant moether from honduras. what is happening now is this v volunteer is taking down her information, where she came from. how old she is. a number for her contact here in
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the u.s. think about this. this is the first time that they are even able to contact a family member or anyone in the outside world to let them know that they're safe and that they're okay. and what happens now is that they're given instructions as to which bus they need to get on to finally make it to their destination. but also keep in mind most of these people don't speak english. so you see, a map of the u.s., instructions and i'm going to borrow this envelope from one of the volunteers, instructions as to the several destinations they need to take in order to make it to their final destination. but these families, as i mentioned, have already been through so much. including separation inside these detention centers. i spoke to one father and his son about what happened when they were separated for several days inside an i.c.e. detention center. >> even though you weren't prosecuted, you were separated
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from your child for five days inside that detention center. can you tell us what that was like and how felt? >> i felt so sad. and i was just destroyed. >> can you tell us of this place where you were placed at? away from your dad. >> there was wire, and what else? where were you sleeping? >> i was sleeping on the floor on a blanket. >> santana, if you would have known there was a possibility you could have been separated from your child for five days like you were or possibly longer if you had been pros cuted, would you have crossed to the united states? >> probably not.
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i would not have crossed. it was god who helped us. besides being handed these toilet trees, pieces of paper to be able to get to the final destination, it it is come tort and ultimately love what these families are finding here. after that journey and after undergoing separation in detention. back to you. >> i want to ask you about some of the children in particular there. doctors have talked about how traumatizing it is for a young child fob separated from their parents. are these centers doing anything to try to mitigate that trauma? are there resources to help the kids deal with that? >> these centers are doing everything they can. this is run, as i mentioned by cath like -- catholic charities. unfortunately, migrants really
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spend a night here, a couple of days at most, because they want to get to their final destination in the united states to meet with that relative, to meet with that family member. but i have been talked to over a dozen family members in the past two days. mieg grant family members, and just even the comfort of getting these supplies, getting the instructions that they need for the next leg of the trip, is a lot. after what they've been through. >> all right. msnbc's reporter. joining me now is an attorney an nbc contributor, and republican strategist and author. and jose, former press secretary for the democratic national committee and democratic strategist. to you first, nbc news among the first news organizations given access to that facility in texas. here's how my colleague describes that facility. >> this place is called a shelter, but effectively, these
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kids are incarcerated. they're 1400 of them, over 1400 that are spending not weeks, months inside this place. they're not actually literally in cages or in cells, but, i kid you not, one of the first things an employee of the shelter said to me is when we walked inside can you try to smile at these kids, because it's weird to see people from the outside. they feel like animals locked up in cages being looked at. it's extraordinary. >> difficult to imagine some of those conditions. what's the reality legally? what's thecess for some of these children who are in these centers and how do they move forward? >> well, to be very blunt, right now, we are in uncharted ter toer because no other administration has mandated this separation of families simply for the act of crossing the border. many of them do have a legal right to asylum. under past administrations, children who were unaccompanied
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tb turned over to health and human services and tried to be placed with a relative. however, now, under the trump administration, because the parents are being sent to prison, or jail while they await the prosecution, the children are being put in the tent cities and hoding shelters being done to quickly and the problem is these are already overcrowded. that figure we saw of 2,000 kids, that's an undercount because that doesn't include children separated from the parents at points of entry. so the process is they will now be hopefully placed with some type of sponsor or governmental sponsor or social worker who can handle them. even under the obama administration, the immigration courts and social services, they were overwhelmed. not enough legal representation, the detention centers are in very remote locations and now, very quickly, we're going to be seeing a large influx of children. so we don't know what's going to
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happen. what we do know unfortunately some of these children the parents have already been deported. even as the cases proceed, there might not be a close family member for them to be reunited with. >> there are some on the right who have compared these family separations to criminals being separated from their children. what's the difference. >> there's a huge difference. the argument is that in this country, if a u.s. citizen parent commits a crime. they go to prison. difference is in the united states, if you go to jail or prison, your child is assigned a social worker, a caseworker. there's a whole process. it varies by locality but a whole process to ensure the best interest of the child. even someone who is in prison who is a serial murder is allowed to call their child and knows where the child is. these undocumented people don't have those rights. undocumented people do have the right to a lawyer, however, not at government expansion. that means the overwhelming majority of them don't have
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lawyers, especially these kids. in immigration court -- this is not exaggeration. any many grags attorney can tell you. sometimes you have children facing a judge who are threw months, six months. stuffed animals to occupy the children. so, it's a huge difference from how things happen for u.s. citizens dealing with the criminal justice system. >> i want to ask you, the immances we're seeing from the tent cities are hard to process. these are just the ones we've been allowed access to. how does the gop defend this policy and these images? >> well, i mean if you'll take a look, there are some gop legislators that are not a fan of this. of the i don't really -- taking part san politics out of it, as a human being this is a horrendous occurrence that's happening with these children. these are children that are
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being affected by this. and to go a step further, they were saying some people on the right, which gop strategist and they're saying a lot of these adults that are bringing some of these children through, that they're not really totally sure 100% of them, that those are their children in fact. so, one of the things that they're doing is when they have the children there, they are giving these children, they have counsellors for the chirp, ldres you know. they have food, they have water. they have activities. things for them to do to keep them active. it's not an ideal situation, so i don't want you to think for one moment i'm defending these camps. one of the things that a lot of republicans are working on would be to have these -- have situations where you have the parents and children together while you're going through the process. but that can be, as you know, if
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you do that, that can be months and months at a time. i think president trump, he even tweeted out, i think you guys will remember, he tweeted out and said something like you know, it's horrible what's happening with the people but the children being separated from the parents fund the wall. so basically he's putting it back on the democrats' back to say if you would only fund this wall, which is the main thing i asked for, that's the main thing that he ran on. do you remember when he came down the escalator, build the ball? that was the main campaign slogan. he is going to get that wall funded. so he's pushing it back on the democrats, going this situation over here, with the parents and the children separated, that's on the democrats' back is what trump's saying. >> so jose, i'll ask the question to you. do you see a scenario where democrats maybe say that we need to find a compromise on this
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wall issue? >> look, first and foremost we make sure -- this is not a democrats' fault. there's no law in place right now that makes the separations mandatory. if he wants to fix this, he's one phone call away. call dhs, call jeff sessions and end this cruel and inhuman racist separations happening at the border. enough is enough. democrats will sit down to pass comprehensive immigration reform. we should not hold hostage, hold at ran some 2,000 kids. that is not who we are as a country and americans are not going to put up with it. all right. thank you all for your time. >> thank you. locked up. robert mueller turns up the pressure on president trump's former campaign manager, paul manafort. will he flip now is that he's behind bars? you're headed down the highway when the guy in front slams on his brakes out of nowhere. you do too, but not in time.
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former trump campaign chairman paul manafort is spending his first full day behind bars. a judge revoked his bail as he awaits trial. judge said quote i cannot turn a blind eye to this. prosecutors are charging manafort with obstruction of justice. manafort has pleaded not guilty to this, and multiple other criminal charges. now, in light of the decision to jail him, president trump's
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lawyer in the russia probe told the new york news when the whole thing is over things might get cleaned up with presidential pardons. with a phone conversation, giuliani seemed to walk that back but he wouldn't rule out the possibility. let ees bring in the panel. the "new york times" reports that manafort feels betrayed and that he believes mueller as team is using business partners to pressure him to flip on the president and this list of charges is getting longer. how dou you expect him to helol up? >> there are few ramifications. one, he was placed in the jail about 70 to 80 miles from the courthouse, which makes it very difficult for his attorneys to help him prepare for trial, because well you have to drive down there. i've done this before. drive down there. you talk to your client through
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either a glass structure, or a small room. not like you're in a law firm conference room where the documents are spread out. it's not easy to get there. and so, that's number 1. number 2, this statement by giuliani of presidential pardons, there's no guarantee that will happen and trump seems to vas late on this. but nobody is really talking about this but is giuliani aiding and abetting an obstruction? did he talk to trump about it? did trump say yes tell them there could be presidential pardons so that could impact whether manafort cooperates or not. or alternatively, what giuliani and trump would respond to is the first amendment and we didn't have the intent to violate any kind of obstruction law and the president has the power to pardon. it's an interesting scenario and certainly something that's new. >> and ben, as you look at the additional charges, you look at the fact that paul manafort is sitting in jail now, is this a
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ploy, do you think buy prosecutors so simply stop him from talking to potential witnesses or sort of a pile on of charges and sitting in jail in effort to elicit cooperation from him? >> well, so i think that there's no reason to doubt that prosecutors were upset by what they have alleged as additional criminal activity while somebody is out on bail. in a specific attempt to tamper with people who are likely to be witnesses in the case, and any good prosecutor is going to respond very certainly to that and take that very seriously. so i think the added pressure that it creates from manafort is a collateral consequence of prosecutors enforcing the law. that said, if p you're a gentleman of paul manafort's age, facing the kind of charges that he's facing, which carry a lot of prison time, there is
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nothing like being ordered into custody pretrial to concentrate the mind, and i don't want to venture a prediction as to what his reaction to this is going to be, but he -- i do think it does have the collateral effect of creating a lot of pressure on him that he's going to at least have to think about whether he wants to relieve. >> the president -- >> aaron, in fairness to mueller also, all prosecutors are concerned with witness tampering, it's a 20-year potential offense. and so it's not unusual for the prosecutor to try to revoke the bond and it's not unusual for the judge to do so. most of the time it happens. >> the president has tried to distance himself from his former campaign chairman. i want you to hear how he framed their relationship listen to this. >> manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. he works for me what?
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49 days. very short period of time. >> now, in truth, it was much longer than that. manafort served 144 days as trump's campaign chairman. i'd wloo ic to get you both to sort of weigh in on this. of the what does the president win by trying to distance himself from manafort? >> he's trying 0 distance himself because he's under criminal indictment so show he had nothing to do with him. manafort was the campaign chairman during the convention and had an influence on what the republican party's platform would be. he did the same thing with flynn initially when flynn had pled guilty or was arrested. and so this is not unusual, but this is, i think exactly what trump is trying to do. >> and ben, what's your read on what the president's trying to accomplish here? >> well i agree that's what he's trying to do. minimize the importance of the manafort case to him. and look, it's very possible that manafort does not have the evidence that mueller may need
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or may think he has. and so the results of his cooperation perhaps, if it comes about, would not be cat catastrophic for the president. that said, it is not a good thing when you're president, and you're a national security adviser has pled guilty and your campaign chairman has multiple felony counts against him. your deputy campaign chairman has pled. i mean there is a surprising number of surprisingly senior people from diverse array of campaign and campaign related activities who have -- either pled guilty or been indicted by bob mueller. and i think a lot of people believe that creates a circle that is closing around the president. >> all right. we appreciate your time, gentlemen. thank you. no answers, but plenty of
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weekend. fake news said oh, you met. that's the only thing they saw i gave up. one broadcast said he gave up so much. you know what i gave up? i met. i met. we had great chemistry. he gave us a lot. >> president trump touting his deal with north korea just as homeland security is warning about cyber attacks on the u.s. and other countries by the north korean government. department sending out a notice describing the kind of malware used by north korea days after the president and deck tater signed an agreement to work toward a denuclearize the peninsula. the lack of a plan has critics dismissing the deal as nothing more than a stunt. and the president's promise to cancel military exercises in the region has many of his own supporters concerned. joining me now is the chair for international studies and former director. how would you expect the u.s. to
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respond or how should they respond to the news about these hackings? >> well, a minimum, president trump needs to make very clear message sent to north korea. this is not acceptable. but i doubt he's going to do that because we're in the middle of this process. no question about it. north korea's cyber threat is very serious. this i've been working on this for a number of years, 6,000 cyber warriors purely focussed on this but i doubt we're going to push hard because we're in the middle of this. >> does the hacking suggest that the negotiations that went on in singapore were done in bad faith and that was a distraction of some sort? or just a show, a stunt? >> thi ink kim jong-un, what -- still unclear, but i think they're just going to continue on this path because they don't think they're going to get caught necessarily so they'll push on the cyber front. but we'll see where we go. but that summit has not really
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produced anything. of the i mean contrary to what president trump said. >> so let's talk about that in the summit and what it produced. administration concedes it would take years to reach full denuclearize. is that a good reason, do you think, to sign an agreement like this with no specifics? >> this statement was truly just bunch of verbiage. nothing in it. point number 3 where north korea committed to work towards denuclearize, this is all language goes back to 1992. before, previously, we got more out of north korea just statement 2005, talks. in that, north korea agreed to abandon all the nuclear weapons programs. we didn't even get what north korea has agreed to in the past. i think this is truly a problem. north korea did not agree tony kind of verification, so going forward, we really need to get something else on them. we need to at minimum get full
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declaration of all the nuclear weapons program and inventory. >> that's sort of my in next question. what do you think the first step should be in the meeting with pompeo? >> i think the first step is we must get at least declaration. they must provide us with full declaration of all wmd program. nuclear weapons, biological and chemical pweapons as well. without the full declaration, what are we negotiating? that's the first step. then you need to agree on a time line. when would it begin? when do we send inspectors? >> without this kind of agreement, it's really, what are we talking about? that statement that was produced in it singapore was extremely vague. very general. no details. as i mentioned, we got more out of north korea from the past. >> is there a, given the fact we hadn't got anything.
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we would hope that for a declaration like you mentioned, what would kim jong-un need to do immediately to show the global community that he is serious about peace, about due knee clearization? there any action he could take tomorrow that would make people feel better about where they are in this process? >> they could dismantle a facility, blow something out. agree to ship out a couple missile programs, but agreeing to a full declaration is a start. but, he hasn't even agreed to that based on the joint statement. >> and at the end of the day, your expectation about what north korea will do if we're looking five years down the road. are we going to see the nuclear ambitions of north korea end? >> we're not going to get to verify if that's what you mean. we might act like we're on that path. might give up partsth program,
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but i don't believe that we're going to get to that complete dismantleme dismantlement. >> thank you so much. president trump claims the inspector general's report on hillary clinton's e-mails totally exonerates him. but how is that possible when he wasn't even the focus of the investigation? what is reveals and what it doesn't, next. totally exonerates me. there was no collusion. no obstruction and if you read the report, you'll see that. welcome to my grooming studio.
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president trump seizing on thursday's release of the doj inspector general's report falsely claiming it exonerates him. while the report on the fbi's handling of the hillary clinton e-mail investigation calls out james comey as insubordinate, it found no political bias. report found he was correct in reaching the collusion that hillary clinton did not commit a crime. it does not conclude there was no collusion or obstruction of justice. it concludes while the fbi was not trying to help the trump campaign, that was the overall effect. joining me now a former cia officer. david is also the author of "the president's book of secrets." also joining us usa today capitol hill reporter. i want to show folks what the report found. and ask you, the
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president says that this report exonerates him. in what way could this report possibly exonerate him? any idea of how, what path he took to get there? >> i'm not sure what path he took to get there. of the i think the one thing that the president is saying is that this said that comey made some big mistakes. it was pretty scathing on comey. the president, of course, fired him which set in place a series of things leading to mueller's appointment and the russian investigation. and so he feels that he was validated for firing comey, and in some weird way is also exonerates him. >> david, peter texted lisa page. will stop donald trump from becoming president. that was back in 2016. how damaging is that text to the fbi and the russian investigation? >> it's minimal at best for two reasons. first of all this is not new. this has come out before.
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secondly the report does to the reach conclusions about that. did that affect the russia probe in some way in the future? it doesn't appear that it did. and in fact, it's about as related to the russia president obama as the report that will come out on russia and fifa for the world cup. those are both about russia but the conclusions will be about something entirely different. i don't see any way other than confirmation by us to explain what the president and others are saying. he sees a report on anything have to go do with the election, and if it doesn't have the words in it, trump included with russia, he will interpret that as defense of his proposition that there was no collusion with russia. >> eliza, this report did conclude that comey didn't show any political bias in the conclusions he came to in the clinton e-mail investigation. does that sort of put to rest the question about his conduct for people other than the president? >> absolutely not. i mean i think we're seeing both sides are taking this and spinning it as far as they can go. the democrats are saying even
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though the ultimate conclusion didn't say that, it did say that comey had a lot of missteps and that cost hillary clinton the election, which of course, the report does not say, but that is what democrats are saying. and republicans are pointing to all the missteps that comey made. they are pointing to those text messages as bias, and they're going the other direction. so i don't think this puts much to rest. we're going to see the ig testify before congress last week. expect this to keep on going. everyone took a little bit of something they wanted. and they'll keep talking about it. >> you mention the mike the horowitz will testify on the hill. how explosive do you think the hearings are going to be? >> i think they'll be pretty explosive. committee he is testifying from front of has a lot of trump allies who are really ready to question him. we're already seeing them basically question why this report had all the details saying comey did a lot of things wrong but then the ultima the
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conclusion did not go as far as they would like to see. so we're already seeing them say expect questions about the conclusion. these text messages. unless -- they're going to be hammering that. >> i'm going ask you about protocol. you spent your career in intelligence with the cia. how important is protocol on the level that's being discussed in this report? >> i was around plenty of investigation that is were very complex. both at cia and state department when i was there. and i had a window on a couple. any investigation of this size is going to have two things involved in it that make for a result like we're seeing now. one is a lot of people involved at a lot of different levels. other is because those people are all to a person human beings, they're going to have judgment calls. and with something this big and this important, the fbi director was very clear. jim comey came out and said this
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was an unprecedented case and i felt that the procedures required things to be different because i couldn't just go to the attorney general and preview what i was going to say because she could be criticized because she had not recused herself in the first place. he had to make a judgment call. we did disagree and give director comey some credit because he said afterwards i don't agree with all of the conclusions in the report, but i respect the process and i say good on them for putting a judgment on it in retrospect. to me, that's the right approach here is not to say nothing i did was blameless, but to say you know, we disagree about the way in which i operated but let's agree that having a process that looks at the truth rather than spin is a good start. >> so when you look at all that el ei how damaging did the report find this was to hillary clinton? >> well, it didn't find that it was damaging in the end. i mean it concluded that a lot
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of these things were not helpful for her, but i think that the democrats and clinton world that is taking this to say this cost her the election. that is a bridge too far. like the republicans, they're spinning it in their own direction. of course there's lots of things for them to jump on to here. but the conclusion that it was not that it cost hillary clinton the election. >> all right. david, eliza, pretty much iat your time. still ahead, trump pufictio. quest for the truth on the white house lawn.
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manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. if you read the ig report i've been totally exonerated. i hate the children being taken away. the democrats have to change their law. president obama lost crimea because president putin didn't respect president obama. >> four stunning claims made by president trump during a wide ranging infrom tu news conference. sew far he's made 3,251 false or misleading claims since takes office according to "the washington post" fact checker. it's clear president trump has a
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difficult relationship with the truth. but does it matter. joining me to discuss this, chief washington correspondent at bloom burg news and veteran politics reporter and host of the new faqnyc podcast. just this morning, president trump tweeted in part, my supporters are the smartest strongest most hard working and most loyal we have seen in our country ace history. it's true that the trump effect is still very much in effect. we maybe saw that exhibited in tuesday's primary results. why is the president's base okay with him selling provable falsehoo falsehoods. >> there's' an idea they're not so many so much whether it's getting things accomplished. people who feel left behind because of the economy, they feel like they have someone in trump fighting for them. what the accomplishes and how it does seems less important to them than the fact he's even
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fighting. >> republicans who have spoken out against the president's claims have lost elections. most recently south carolina. k. i want you to hear what mark sandford said on "meet the press." >> if we accept the society, it is going to have harmful consequences if the way that we operate based on the construct of the founding fathers. >> why is it just you and jeff flake or bob corker or speaker ryan, where is the head of the legislative branch? >> people are running for the hill. the name of the game is stay in the game. >> those comments after
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tennessee bob corker says, the gop refused to stand up to president trump. what do you think it is going to take, kevin, when the president offers the opposite of that. >> it is pretty ironic to hear mark sandford talking about running for the hill. with that said, look i think there is no question that you had the republican establishment still very much behind president trump. i would note however that house speaker paul ryan who of course is retiring did say publicly just ahead of the singapore summit that he does not believe president trump would be able to pardon himself and he said in the same interview that he was not a constitutional expert. you know i think you have actually seen a very separation in terms of some of the republican establishment starting to note their differences with president trump. you are absolutely correct in the sense that they have not
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gone as full out as senator flake or corker or senator john mccain. >> i want to go back to the president's news conference impromptu news conference yesterday. here he's going to explain the at he made about the trump tower meeting with the russians. >> did you dictate the statement of donald trump? >> let's not talk about it. >> it is irrelevant. it is a statement to "the new york times." >> just clear it out. >> in other words, he defending and sending incomplete statement because it was made to a news organization and not to a judge, ozzie, what's your reaction to that? >> lying to the media is not illegal. admitting to lying to the media is not ail legal. i had the assumption that people had some kinds of compulsions on
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it. >> kevin, i will ask you the same thing. >> when first and for most when we were in singapore with president trump, the president on the white house giving that impromptu press conference, this is swuomeone wanting to take th community strategy in to his own hands. we have not seen him being this aggressive for quite some time in terms of how he's communicating directly now. you have seen this with rudy giuliani saying that the decision for whether or not he'll sit down with bob mueller's team to give that interview, that decision can come as early as next week. the president has previously tried to separate himself from previous trump campaign coach chairman and paul manafort by saying this was not someone he
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was close with. hours before manafort taken behind bars for allegedly tampering with witnesses and the judge said that was the case that he did that and how it had to be removed from house arrest. the president sending out that tweet saying paul manafort got a robbed deal. this is the president signaling that he's very much not going to back off in terms of his own defense and how he's going to attend and bulldoze through this. >> and you hit on my next question, kevin, was this yesterday with the press, was this a distraction because we knew something was going happen to manafort yesterday? >> i think some people would look at it that way. i also think that just in terms of having covered from the beginning of his campaign, i can tell you that this is someone who feels he's the best person to make his case directly and take on charges and controversies head on.
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whether or not that is what his legal team wants him to do. the key decision is coming up whether or not he's going to sit down with the interview and the investigative team. we can get an answer on that in a couple of days >> you are nodding in agreement with kevin here. trump verses trump's legal team is a fascinating story. who knows. >> we'll leave it there. that's a likelihood we'll hear often over the next several months. thank you both, we appreciate it. >> thank you, aaron. >> thousands of children separated from their parents from a matter of weeks of the immigration crack down. a live support from one of the shelters where families are waiting to learn their faiths. fibromyalgia may be invisible to others, but my pain is real. fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. i'm glad my doctor prescribed lyrica.
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