tv The Beat With Ari Melber MSNBC June 16, 2018 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
for an unusual year. paul manafort is in jail right now. today a judge sided with bob mueller to find that manafort has been credibly accused of obstruction of justice, meaning he is too dangerous to be allowed to remain free, awaiting his much anticipated trial. so number one, the former campaign chief for the president of the united states is slated to be incarcerated until his trial begins. and, number two, if paul manafort's convicted and sentenced to the maximum punishment that today would mark, well, that would mark the first day of a lifetime behind bars. there are alternatives as well. one is that paul manafort could ultimately be found not guilty and thus get out of the jail term that he effectively starts tonight. another alternative is that he could ultimately cooperate, get a lighter sentence. and that brings us to another potential defendant in the mueller probe. sources close to trump lawyer michael cohen now saying tonight and saying this to reporters, meaning someone wants this to
get out, that cohen may cooperate and flip on donald trump. one reason why, well, tonight there are new reports of the feds getting their hands on new evidence from cohen, documents. and get this. over 700 pages of messages and materials that cohen tried to keep secret by using, yes, encrypted messaging apps as well as documents he tried to hide by shredding them although 16 pages of those documents have been reportedly put back together after being pulled from a shredder. they've been reconstructed. wow. legal experts have noted how cohen's potentially inept shredding could come back to haunt him. right here on "the beat," cohen's opponent in the stormy daniels case, michael avenatti, noted that skimping on a cheap shredder, never a good idea. >> i was going to ask michael what kind of shredder he had. >> cross cut. cross cut shredder. you have to boy a cross cut shredder. you can't be cheap when it comes
to your shredder. >> they're actually not that expensive. >> you can't be cheap when it comes to your shredder. again, the news tonight, but the feds have pieced together the shredding that the president's lawyer tried to do, and they have that evidence now for a criminal case. now, today cohen's own lawyers are asking for ten more days to review at least the encrypted messages part of this before the prosecutors have them for whatever they want to do with them. now, futile attempts at encrypted messaging is actually what links cohen and manafort tonight. manafort in jail right now because bob mueller alleges he did his witness tampering via encrypted messaging. in stopping to mueller's motion, the judge said while there's no appetite for this, to jail manafort, his attempt to use his phones and a tampering and obstruction device was simply unacceptable. as for whether he could limit his communications technology, the judge said today tersely, this is not middle school. i can't take away his cell
phone. now, jail is obviously one of the worst places on earth to prepare for a complex criminal trial. but by confiscating paul manafort's phone and personal property, the court system is helping him in a way because it's removing one of the tools mueller says manafort used to commit new crimes. as a legal strategy, mueller is operating on the premise that this will protect the probe, that it could put more pressure on manafort, and also reflects bob mueller's confidence when you think about it, that he believes at least, he must already have enough evidence on manafort. otherwise, if he caught him committing potential crimes through the phone, he could have just kept surveilling nafort's phone to gather more evidence. so as paul manafort, a 69-year-old man with all kinds of political experience and global travels, as he spends the first night of his life in jail tonight, and as michael cohen tells associates tonight that he is bracing for potential arrest and considering cooperating, bob
mueller is clearly sending a message about obstruction and evidence to any other would of be criminal witnesses or any other would of be obstructors who think they can pull one over on the special counsel. and the message, to channel the romantics, is clear. i can hear the secrets that you keep when you're talking in your sleep. and to update that line for 2018. sleep on bob mueller at your own peril. with me now, former trump campaign aide sam nunberg, who is one of the few people speaking publicly who has testified in bob mueller's grand jury room. two former federal prosecutors, joyce vance, and former dnc chair howard dean. there is a lot to discuss. joyce, what does it mean to you that tonight paul manafort
sleeps in a cell? >> to the extent that mueller is sending a message, that message is that he wil not tolerate people who lie to federal agents or otherwise interfere in prosecutions. we've seen earlier prosecutions for lying to agents. now we see this prosecution for obstruction, which happened incredibly quickly. and this will go to mueller's core belief that the criminal justice system is about finding the truth in a courtroom, determining a defendant's guilt or innocence consistent with those principles, and that anyone who tries to interfere with that process should be dealt with as sternly as possible. and so as a result, manafort finds himself in jail pending trial tonight. >> nelson, the big question in washington is what happens now that people of this significance in the trump campaign and in donald trump's world, pnal business and otherwise, are facing this kind of heat?
we talk a lot about inflection points. this is certainly an inflection point in the sense that we haven't seen anyone this high-profile jailed. paul manafort's in jail. it's the kind of thing you can't say enough. if you think when other people that filled his role, in one imagines a david axelrod in the obama era in jail, it sort of reminds you that we're not living in normal times. one of the things that is up for debate is whether paul manafort knows something or has something of interest to the special counsel probe. here is how donald trump has talked about it. >> what have you learned about donald trump since you started working for him that you didn't know before? >> well, i've known him a long time. i've always known him to be flexible, always known him to be -- >> paul has done an amazing job. where's paul? >> i've known donald since the 1980s. >> paul has had great success with reagan and with bush and with ford. you know, great success. he doesn't have to do this.
he didn't need to do this, but he wanted to. >> he wanted to. do you see this as only bad news for manafort or potentially for trump as well? >> today could be one of the biggest days in the investigation so far between the steps of manafort going to yale and the cohen document review being completed and these final documents being found. paul manafort, 69 years old. today is the first day of the rest of his life, and he's looking at the rest of his life behind bars. the underlying counts on which he's already charged are layup counts. any prosecutor could prove that case in a week. he's facing them in d.c. he's facing them in virginia. he knows that he is going to face the rest of his life in jail. you add on top of that tampering with witnesses and any judge is going to throw the book at him. he has one choice. he has two chithings that mightt him out of jail. one of those is cooperating with
mueller and finding a way to help him complete his investigation, and the second is the hail mary pass of a pardon from the president. >> right, which is something that we can get into. howard dean, we can play a little "who said it." who do you think said today, didn't know manafort was the head of the mob? >> i don't know who said that. i mean i know trump said he claimed not to -- just to barely know manafort. >> i might barely know him but he knows enough to say that. wow, what a tough sentence for paul manafort who represented reagan, dole, many top people. didn't know manafort was the head of the mob and then he goes on to other stuff. what do you think about the relationship of these two men tonight, one in the white house, the other in the slammer? >> look, manafort knows everything that trump is in trouble for. manafort was his campaign manager. manafort in many ways was the mastermind that set this up.
manafort knows politics inside out. trump doesn't. manafort knows exactly how much collaboration there was with the russians because manafort knows the russians inside out and has made tens of millions of dollars from the russians, some of which he is being accused of laundering, and i think that's probably true. so this is pretty significant. >> sam, you are the only person on the panel who has been in muell mueller's grand jury room. >> and he's done tweets for donald trump. >> and had him dictated tweets to me. >> are you more proud of the ghostwriting or dictating in. >> dictating. >> like any political author. well, this is a significant night. you obviously cooperated. >> mm-hmm. >> mueller's view, now backed by a judge, is that manafort not only did not cooperate, but committed a new crime. based on your direct interaction with this mueller team and these fbi investigators. >> mm-hmm. >> what do you think happens
next for paul? do you think they have more on him? do you thunk think they can win case against paul in. >> i think the case is pretty much in terms of the money laundering, let's say, to me it would seem -- i'm not a professional on this like mr. cunningham. to me it seems pretty easy to prove. with that said, i look at this from a political point of view, from the point is this going to hurt donald trump if the democrats win in november and the impeachment goes through the house and gets to the senate. >> you say the impeachment. we're not anywhere near impeachment right now. >> i think mueller is going to write a report and the report is going to be used depending on who controls. if it's speaker pelosi and jerry nadler is running the house judiciary, then dump wionald tr will be impeached. >> do you think it's possible mueller could write a report that says a lot of people did bad things but he doesn't see an impeachable offense by the president? >> no, because i think that mueller is on a vendetta personally. that's me. that's my opinion. i don't think -- >> with him being a republican
fbi -- >> that doesn't matter. the whole republican thing, you know, they always go back with that. let me explain to you something. james comey is technically a republican. john mccain is technically a republican. the bushes are republican. >> when you say technically, do you mean literally? >> a registered republican. >> they spent their public life as -- >> they all say they voted for john mccain. they all say they voted for mitt romney but they stuck out and didn't vote in that past election. then james comey's number two, andrew mccabe -- >> we're not doing that because now you're bringing up other stuff. >> sure. let's stay on this. >> let's go to michael cohen who you know and have spoken about here. why are we hearing so much about michael cohen potentially? >> i think michael is 100% communicating through the press. if i had to guess -- this part i don't know and i wouldn't know because reporters are professional. he's even talking to reporters on background with them. it's something that's done in this world where they take somebody's -- >> you read this as not people around cohen. you read this as cohen leaks.
>> there's been a lot out there. first of all there was no coincidence to me that george stephanopoulos, who michael is very close with, and there was a commodity with us with donald trump directly. he was very close to george stephanopoulos. george stephanopoulos interviews donald trump in singapore at the summit. two days later, michael cohen -- george stephanopoulos has a breaking news report that michael cohen may be flipping and not sticking with his attorney. magg maggie haberman, bring in trump world. she says, we had an agreement. we don't want to hear anything about these legal fees. i think michael's view is from -- let say what we think, trump people. michael's view is i'll go the distance. let's see how this case goes. i know i'm getting indicted, but you better pay my legal fees. >> what do you think of sam's analysis there that we are
hearing about cohen cooperating in strategic ways because this is cohen's last attempt? >> look, i'm not familiar with the intricacies of trump world, but that makes a lot of sense. this is a single. they can't communicate directly. this is a signal from cohen that trump's got to pardon him or else. >> on that, i was just speaking to trump lawyer jay goldberg about that, and this is where it gets a little tricky, joyce, because even if you wanted to pardon pardsomeone if they have enough liability for other state crimes and there's someone cooperating in upstate new york, then it could backfire. for joyce, take a listen to -- again, this is a trump lawyer. this is not a trump critic, speaking to me exclusively. take a listen. >> if he pardons michael cohen, and michael cohen thereafter gets indicted by the state from
misconduct, trump's pardon of cohen for federal offenses will be looked upon as a grave error. >> joyce? >> it's not just a grave error. it doesn't give the president the sort of legal protection that presumably he's seeking as he and his folks like giuliani dangle these federal pardons. yesterday we saw the new york state a.g. file a civil case, but that civil case contains a lot of interesting information about potential criminal prosecutions. and although the state a.g. has made a referral to federal agencies and presumably those prosecutions could be, i'll just say, cured with a pardon from the president, there are also pending state criminal charges. and those are something that the president can't pardon his way out of. so yesterday we saw corey lewandowski's name raised, paul manafort's predecessor on the campaign, potentially the president's children.
and as much as they could be federal prosecutions, there could also be state criminal cases and there's nothing that the president can do to end those. >> right. so you have the walls closing in and the idea there's stuff that's completely out of this president's control. we know how he responds to that. then you have, sam, a lot of the efforts to have what seem to be secret contacts. what do you think about the idea that cohen's got materials that might be pertinent to donald trump that he shredded at the last minute, that have been reconstructed? and have you ever gotten encrypted messages from him or others in trump land? >> i've never gotten encrypted messages from steve bannon or roger stone. >> what about from michael cohen? >> i don't think so. i don't think so. i can follow up with you on that. i don't believe so. but, look, i'll tell you who definitely would know. the mueller special counsel because they have everything. >> you got the impression they would always know that -- >> first of all, it doesn't take a genius to realize that the federal government -- there's nothing encrypted in this world anymore. >> right. >> so i would tell you that -- >> are you saying, then, on the
record that that means that paul manafort is not a genius? >> he should not have done what he did. i think that was a very big misstep. i think that gave them the excuse to send him to jail. >> nelson, i've got a question for you. if you're michael cohen and you're in this situation, in the middle of a probe, and you start shredding documents, do you think those would be random documents, blank pieces of paper, you know, that kind of thing, or do you think they might be incriminating? >> well, let's remember that he did not know that this raid was coming, right? this raid was a complete surprise to him. that's the way these raidsre conducted. you don't give somebody time to shred documents. so whatever was sitting in his shredder that morning was whatever was sitting in his shredder that morning. it could be -- >> well, i would -- >> it do be incriminate zblg i would draw your attention to other circumstantial information. in the filing that the feds made in the attorney-client privilege debate justifying the raid, they
said that they had reason to believe that he was beginning to try to destroy evidence of a secretive nature and that that was part of why they moved. >> that's certainly why they moved against paul manafort the way they did. the feds have been hitting hard in these cases, and certainly anything they're going to find that has been shredded or encrypted, they're going to move on quickly to try to make sure that they can find out what's in there and see what they have. and what we are now reaching the stage within ten days, these documents will be -- could be turned over to mueller's team, and we'll know what he can do with them then. >> exactly. and it's a lot on a big night. thanks to the entire panel. appreciate it. coming up, how manafort did allegedly use other secretive tactics that have actually been associated with drug cartels and even terrorists to try to, yes, keep communications secret. it didn't work. also an important story we're staying on. the human toll of the child migrant crisis. we have an interview with a lawyer fighting for a mom whose
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truly significant breaking news. donald trump's former campaign chair is in jail tonight. and there is a new eye-opening accusation that paul manafort was allegedly communicating with associates using a tactic that's been literally deployed by al qaeda. the idea is that you write draft e-mails that you never send, so then you can basically share that with others to access the information, and it's never an actual piece of e-mail. this, of course, is on top of other big questions about ties to russia. >> are there any ties between mr. trump, you, or your campaign and putin and his regime? >> no, there are not. that's absurd. >> joining me now, someone who has known paul manafort for daktds, msnbc news analyst and reporter howard fineman and sam nunberg back with me. the significance of this news
tonight, howard, and given your knowledge of mr. manafort, who is known for many things, recklessness, sure. i think that's been demonstrated. but also a type of toughness, his allies say. how do you think that will be tested as he spends his first night in jail tonight? >> i think it's going to be a long dark night of the soul for paul manafort. he's been pretty lucky in a fairly dangerous legal life that he's led. he chose to go early from american politics into the international realm. he's done business around the world with some very tough characters with the marcos in the philippines with saudi princes and poe ten tates, with ukrainian wannabe dictators, with a lot of star wars bar type people all around the world. but he's never really had to
face up to this kind of consequence. and the fact that you're in a cold, hard jail cell, this is a guy who once told me how wonderful it is to travel along the coast of lake como and stop at all the great palaces and wineries and so forth. >> sounds nice. >> he developed very nice, very refined tastes. he had horses out on long island. his wife is a show jumper. >> look, howard, i've never been to lake como, but my understanding is not everyone who goes there is accused of laundering $30 million. >> no, but that may have something to do with why he was able to enjoy lake como, okay? >> indeed. indeed. >> it's a lot different from where he is right now. and where he's going to be. the fact is that he's got two trials coming up, and he's going to have to be in that jail cell from now through at least
september, and i think even as the federal trial in washington begins in september, he could still be required to stay in jail after that. >> absolutely. >> which is terribly wearing. >> howard, you know one lake como question they never ask you in jail is red or white. >> anyway, so, yeah, i think it's going to be tough. but i think he's -- i think, though, that he's got some mental toughness there. it's so ironic, ari, because i think he'd had this whole career where he'd dip into these conventions and then go back out and make a lot of money around the world. if he'd left after ukraine and taken the chips off the table and disappeared, nobody would have heard about him. >> you're absolutely right. >> but he wanted to come back for this one thing because the fact is having known manafort -- i know at the very beginning, he wanted to be a contender, you know. he wanted to be chief of staff. his original role model was jim baker, chief of staff to gerald
ford. >> a true power broeker. donald trump out there saying today, oh, well, this is just some guy, and i don't really know him even though he was the number one guy in my campaign at one point. sam told us earlier in the hour he used to write tweets for donald trump. this is a person who is also close to your former so-called mentor, sam, because manafort and stone were literally running that international and controversial lobbying firm that howard just mentioned, stone calling it the "s" in a woand a won't repeat. but take a look. >> manafort came in one day and said, you know, we ought to start a lobbying firm. >> lobbying had been considered kind of a sleazy business, but roger stone abashedly came out and said, i'm going to make a pile of money off of this, and no apologies. >> it was the [ bleep ]. it was the biggest, most
powerful lobbying operation in washington. >> it certainly was. howard would know this better than me, but it's legendary among all people that want to work in republican politics. >> how does stone figure in all this watching his former partner go to jail? >> roger and manafort have not worked together in a very long time. it's my understanding that that firm was bought. it was bought. they sold it. baker, manafort, and stone sold it and then they parted their ways but kept in contact with each other and were friends. i think part of the reason what howard was talking about in terms of the reason why paul wanted to work on the trump campaign, was paul was supposed to run the convention in 2008 for the mccain campaign and his longtime partner, rick davis, eventually dropped paul because of some other clients or could have been the same clients he was working for. >> what's interesting is you're mentioning all the people, davis who had interned briefly at that same firm. there are a lot of people who worked together who also are circling donald trump. i think what mueller is peeling
back on is are these all coincidences and the things they did were isolated crimes or was there a wider conspiracy? was there an election racketeering operation? we don't know that. as manafort sleeps in jail tonight, the question is whether that changes his thinking about what he wants to say. i've got to fit in a break. thank you both so much. there is proof that donald trump is lying about this migrant child policy, and its devastating toll including new reports of the feddis ripping a baby from a breast-feeding mother. i'm going to speak to an immigrants rights lawyer on this when we're back in 60 seconds. insurance that won't replace
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hang in the balance. donald trump caused this crisis. he originally took credit for it, but now what's changing here, where the humanitarian crisis meets if you want to call it the politics, is that the heat is so high, donald trump is running from what he did. and tonight i can report donald trump is lying about his policy, which raises the question, mr. president, if you are so ashamed now of your policy, if it is heartless, why not halt it instead of lying about it? a factual warning, what i'm about to show you is not true. >> people say, look, you ripped these families apart even though it is the law. it's heartless. >> that's the law, and that's what the democrats gave us. the democrats forced that law upon our nation. i hate it. i hate to see separation of parents and children. >> that's false. and we know it is a lie because donald trump and his attorney general explicitly created this policy, orphaning children.
this is important, so let's get into it. i'm going to show you the proof tonight. this is the trump administration memo from this april, signed by jeff sessions. this is the proof. and what this does, the reason this is happening tonight and this weekend and every day that this policy continues is that the trump administration shifted from a long-standing set of policies that prioritized enforcement against immigrants deemed more dangerous and offered more protection for folks who are not considered dangerous as well as for children and families. now, this new trump policy orders a, quote, zero-tolerance policy for all offenses and states emphatically the zero-tolerance policy supersedes those other existing policies i mentioned, meaning the more family oriented policies of past administrations in both parties, by the way, are now out. these are the facts. politicians may deny their own role in creating problems, but
we have an obligation here to report the facts. and when the evidence shows the politicians are lying, which is a higher bar, we'll report that too. this is a trump policy. these are legally segregated camps for children orphaned by this trump policy. it's not a congressional law that requires it, and these are not cities. these are not tent communities or any other trump wellian branded spin. now, what's the impact? take one case. we're going to play for you a little bit of new audio. this is from inside an immigration courtroom where a mother -- and if you want to think like a human being, imagine this is a mother you know. if you want, imagine this is your mother because it's any mother because it's any situation that someone could end up in. listen as a mother tries to find out when she'll see her son again. >> well, i was told when i was separated from my son that you were going to tell me when i was going to be joined with my son again. >> i don't know who told you that, but you were told
incorrectly. i have no information regarding your child. >> that's what's going on. that's one case, one mother, one child. that's the reality. now, what about how it looks under this administration? well, in another trump-wellian tactic, trump's aides have been focused more on changing the images of this crisis than the policy on the ground that i was just telling you about. so the family separation is continuing while trump aides push this tightly controlled imagery. on the left, you can see the video from the nistration. it tries to depuict a safe environment. on the right, we have the facts for investigators. only texas have already found health care problems, mistreatment of children, a lack of supervision, and a widespread inattention to the government-inflicted trauma on children and parents alike. i'm joined now by texas state senator jose rodriguez. a site in his district will be one of the first places they set up these camps.
i'm also joined by victoria defrancesco and natalie cor neilio. she has spent time with a mother whose baby was allegedly taken from her during breast-feeding, one of the storit's gotten so much attention. can you tell us about that, natalia? >> hi. good afternoon. i can tell you that that mother's story is one of many that we received in speaking to parents that were separated from their kids. that expressed on behalf of the apparent a trauma that was experienced by both the parent and the child. it's one of many. that's what i can tell you about that story. >> let me play jeff sessions saying that they're basically being criticized unfairly, talking about the mean-spirited accusations. take a listen. >> there are politicians and activists who think having any border at all, it seems, any limit whatsoever, any
enforcement activity that's taken is mean-spirited, unkind, even bigoted. >> victoria, your response? >> so it's about following the law. and if we are following the law, then we should not be jailing asylum seekers. and we're getting reports that among those people who are getting sent to federal prisons, especially the adults who are separated out from their children, are folks who are coming to this country, turning themselves in, and saying, i am here for asylum. so that in and of itself is breaking the law, and i think a point of clarification here is the difference between an economic refugee -- i'm sorry -- an economic immigrant and a humanitarian immigrant. the economic immigrant is the one who is coming here because the u.s. keeps the demand up for them, and the humanitarian immigrant is the one fleeing that strife that we hear about in central america. and that immigrant in particular should be offered the letter of the law in terms of those protections. the immigrant, the adult, and
their child. but we're seeing none of that. >> senator rodriguez, i want to play a little more from inside that courtroom again as we try to get what we can. a lot of this has been deliberately prevented from access by the public, by the press, by the members of congress who appear to have some standing, and we've been reporting on that. but this is new sound of a judge basically telling this mother w why, under trump administration policies, she can't even hear about where her child is, let alone be reunited. take a listen. >> immigration doesn't call the court or me personally and tell me what happened to your child. if they did do that, it wouldn't hurt my feelings. i'd be happy to relay the information to you if i could. but they don't do that. so hopefully somebody will get in touch with you through that side of the government. >> hopefully someone will get in touch with you. walk us through your view of this for any parent watching at home, imagining being told that about what amounts to a missing
child. >> well, ari, what i can tell you is that there has been plenty of testimony by pediatricians, by psychiatrists and other health care providers about the tremendous harm that is being caused on these children when they are in detention centers with their parents, like they have some here in texas. can you imagine now what it's like for them if they're not there with their parents as is happening now under this zero-tolerance policy. the harm we're talking about is stunted growth, post-traumatic stress disorder, and other mental health conditions that linger, the trauma for years and years into their lives. so, yes, the problems that this causes are tremendous, both for the children and the parents. this policy is misguided as victoria has pointed out. it's cruel, and i think that as americans, we should not
tolerate this. this is a country where we value freedom, where we value civil rights, where we value the human beings. and yet we are now taking a lead in the world of acting as many other cases across the world, in the middle east, in north africa and other places where you have refugees all in encampments, in tent cities, and living in miserable conditions. so regardless of what trump says, it's obvious his disregarding not only federal law as was pointed out by victoria for asylum seekers, but also international law. and the spokesperson for the united nations has already indicated that this is just not a normal way of treating children. >> natalia, you're nodding. go ahead. >> i am nodding. this is absolutely a violation of international human rights law. and actually the way that the
texas civil rights project got involved in this was filing a petition on behalf of five persons that were separated, five parents that were separated from their kids, asking the interamerican commission for human rights to order that they be reunited exactly in the way that senator rodriguez just described. this is absolutely a violation of human rights law. not just a violation of the rights of the parents but of these children. >> and, victoria, briefly, do you think when people see what's really going on, they will see the sickness that's being perpetrated in the name of the u.s. government? >> yes. that's why we have to keep pushing to get more access into these facilities because when it's blinded by the doors keeping the media out, keeping nonprofit organizations that want to seek to help out these children, we don't have that knowledge to push for these changes. in the last couple of days, we've seen more coverage of this, and this is helping in the effort to stop this horrendous, heart-wrenching process.
>> senatthanks to each of you. we will stay on the story. up ahead, donald trump talking about what he wishes he had in common with north korea's dictator. what? but up next, if it's friday and after a week like this, you bet it's time to fallback together. i'll take you there. take this left. if you listen real hard you can hear the whales. oop. you hear that? (vo) our subaru outback lets us see the world. sometimes in ways we never imagined. ...to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. i'll take that. [cheers] 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. new ensure max protein. in two great flavors.
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it's friday on the beat. you can hear the laughter already. you know what that means. it is time to fallback. and right back on fallback friday, you've seen him before. radio legend bob ito garcia and stretch armstrong. the show in the 90s that launched stars. a new documentary coming out this month. and joining this ridiculous duo, adam met from the group ajr. they've got a song on the number one alternative section of billboard. another song that was made the official anthem for march for our lives. congratulations on that.
i should mention you have a master's in constitutional religious law. >> i do. >> so you are bringing the music and the law. >> yes. >> so i bring the law, and i pretend to bring the music. this is, as always, a new thing, a new mix. i'm really glad to have you guys. bob ito, who needs to fall back? >> you know, i came with 15 ideas today and i had to whittle it down to two. the first one is aoli sauce. >> okay. taking on the big issues. what is an aioli first of all? >> i grew up very humble. you'll find that in my documentary. you know, i only new like one lettuce growing up, iceberg. i didn't even know was called iceberg. get older. there's like kale, spinach. cool, options, i'm happy. i'm not a fan of condiments. i don't like mayo on my sandwiches. i don't like mustard on my
sandwiches. i go to all these restaurants. >> let me ask you a question. >> i know you like aioli. >> i have a question for you. are you secretly 85? >> no. >> that's what you sound like. you sound like the 85-year-old in a brooklyn diner who is like, what is aioli sauce? i'm angry. >> look, i go to a restaurant. i just want options. can you put the aioli sauce on the side? why is it already embedded in my sandwich? i go to these nice spots. >> do you think it's a conspiracy? >> no. it's just cats like him and cats like you that really like aioli sauce, i never heard of it up until five years ago. >> can i say something and i've never had to say this on the show before? >> what? >> you don't know me like that. you're trying to say that i'm like artisanal. you don't know me like that. i'm a snickers guy. i keep it real simple. who needs to fallback, stretch? >> wow, i think our former mayor, rudy giuliani, needs to fall back. can i amend that to a crawl-back?
yeah, i mean his re-emergence on the national stage is really irksome, particularly for us native new yorkers who remember what a disgraceful mayor he was. i actually brought something from the '90s when he was harassing street vendors and street artist. >> show and tell? >> and guys trying to sell books. remember that? >> we got it? >> this is a painting by rob leaderman, and that's been on my wall since the '90s. it's as relevant as ever today as it ever was in the past. >> this is a special day. i've never gotten up either. this is back when he was very controversial just as a mayor. >> exactly, yeah. you know, his authoritarian tendencies were starting to come out. >> and you're seeing that in his defense of the president as well, you feel? >> yeah. i mean it's just -- you know, it's like post-traumatic stress for new yorkers who had to deal with him back in the day. >> who needs to fall back?
>> hashtags. they are extremely important for mobilizing movements like march for our lives, but there are so many problems with it. are you guys with familiar with love and hip-hop, the tv show? >> i know ari is up on it. >> honestly i've never seen the show. but if you go on twitter, it's always the number one trending thing. you know, if you see that there are like 200,000 re-tweets about love and hip-hop, that makes you kind of think that's the thing you should be looking at. there's so many more important things to be looking at like our president separating children from their families at the border or saying we need to stand in line and listen to him when he was on tv. >> i got to tell you. i think that was #a great point. >> #aioli. >> #so quiet after the jokes. i have something to bring up. when we had stretch come on the show, he was like, i won't go on without bobbito. we got you on together. the two of you guys came on.
then here you came on alone. this is you. we said you want to come on. stretch can't make it. you were like, i'm fine with that. i'm ready to go. i'm wondering if this is a one-way relationship. i think we have some footage. i want you to watch this. we have some footage of how bobbito has been treating you. >> wow. >> is this a news show? is this a real tv show? >> way more fun. >> my real fallback is scott pruitt, lotion-gate. he needs to stop being an ethical disaster and also sending security guards to buy lotion. that's my fallback. what were you going to say, stretch? >> i was going to go back to the first time i was on the show where you threw me under the bus. my look in the '90s was your fallback, and i was -- >> we said you look great now, though. >> i was coming for you tonight, and your producers told me i couldn't because people have been going at you too hard.
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donald trump's bromance with the dictator of north korea is getting even more intense. look at what he said on fox. >> he's the head of a country, and i mean he is the strong head. don't let anyone think anything different. he speaks and his people sit up at attention. i want my people to do the same. >> some of those people pay attention because of all the murders in north korea. now, when pressed on this, trump says he's joking. >> what did you mean just now when you said you wished americans would sit up at attention? >> i'm kidding. you don't understand sarcasm. wait. who are you with? >> cnn. >> you're with cnn. you are the worst. >> who you with, trump wants to know. kidding? was he also kidding or being sarcastic when he literally
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we're not on an island anymore. [ roaring ] what could go wrong? you good? yeah, you? [ roaring ] [ screaming ] nope. rated pg-13. we recently talked to the deejays from the top rap show in the country, hot 97 in the morning. part of our conversation that we haven't aired yet included ibro's criticism of how he thinks trump used black athletes. >> it's a reminder of how much power you don't have. you have money, but you don't have power. we're giving you some money so that you can do this job and
entertain us. use your body like you always have, black man, to entertain us. but as soon as you want to use your mind and your words to speak out, now we all have a problem. >> there's much more of that political discussion that we're posting exclusively on our podcast. he also brought something up that some of you have asked about. does our show have a music playlist? yes, we do. and we talked about that on his radio show. he went over some of the highlights. >> i would also say that it's very diverse. everything from kiko bun if you know that out in the uk. >> a little far sight in there. >> james brown, dilated pupils. gang star. dmx is on here. lauren hill. phony people on here. he's doing his new york research there. >> most of you are here for news, but if you are into the music, we did just launch a music playlist on spotify. check out the beat's playlist. you can see some of our favorite artists and guests. for more of the interview, we're
posting the entire political discussi discussion. we post that every weekend. that does it for me. you can always check out "the beat" at 6:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. this is something that you watch "dateline" for, about somebody else. not about your friend. not about someone you love. >> she was completely defenseless. she reached out her arms and simply said, "help me." >> my heart dropped. i want to know why. why? >> it's a baffling case of murder, millions and a mystifying piece of tape. at the center, husband and wife, self-made millionaires. >> he was very caring and loving. >> she had a personality that just sucked you in. >> together th