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before i hand things off to my colleague, david gura, i just want to wish my father a very happy father's day. he's the best father in the world, the most noble man i've ever known. number one daddy-o. hey, everybody, i'm david gura at msnbc headquarters in new york with all eyes on south texas on this father's day. the focus is on the children
separated from parents at the u.s./mexico border. just a few minutes ago, the u.s. border patrol said the situation there is getting worse. not better. at the same time there is action on the ground with protests at an i.c.e. facility in new jersey and in washington, d.c. where administration officials show no signs of changing what they say they can't change, but in fact they could. it is their policy, the white house's policy. b soroff is touring a detention center in texas as temperatures near 100 degrees fahrenheit. my colleague mariana atencio is on site. and i'll sit down with former homeland security secretary jeh johnson. we'll have the physician from the american academy of cs to talk about the trauma to children.
>> the most traumatic thing to do to a kid, straight them from their parents once they've made that dramatic journey. i understand we have an immigration debate going on in this country. why use these kids as leverage? >> well, i certainly don't want anybody to use these kids as leverage. i saw a headline that i objected to very forcefully. let me say this. these children -- >> in fairness, it was a white house official who told "the washington post" the thinking in the building is to force people to the table. >> i want that person to say it to my face. i'll meet them at the white house today because i think that's a disgrace. >> president trump's scheduled to visit capitol hill on tuesday to meet with white house republicans, including congressman will hurd of texas. he receives on the homeland security committee. he just visited a tent encampment in his district for migrant boys and he joins me now. congressman, you were in the middle of the desert. there were beds for up to 400 young men 16, 17 years old.
there were talks of expanding that. just want to read here a description of those tents from the el paso times. each tent has bed space for 20 children and two adults, as the federal government requires one adult for every ten children. there are also showers, bathrooms, medical facility, fire trucks and spaces for children to meet with case management workers and lawyers. yes, each tent has a four-ton air conditioning unit, as welling wiwell, about i see temperatures climbing up in the next ten days to past 100 degrees fahrenheit. tell me what you saw at a place in your congressional district. >> those words you read were my words in talking to "the el paso times." it is hot. it is going to be over 100 degrees. what i saw was a manifestation of bad policy. when we're having to resort to using kids for deterrents, that's major problem. in the land of the free and the home of the brave, we shouldn't
be doing this kind of thing. folks in washington, d.c., at hhs and doj have a lot of questions they should be answering like what debate went through having this policy. there's alternatives to detentions. we're not preventing al qaeda or isis from coming in the country by taking 4-year-old kids away from their mother and their father. how long is this policy going to last? how do the parents know where their kids are and how do the kids know where their parents are? these are some very basic questions that should have been thought through and should have been talked about before they implemented such a policy. >> congressman, with respect, you are talking about putting those questions to border patrol, putting those questions to department of homeland security. don't those questions need to be asked of the president? i'll emphasize again, he could change this in an instant if he wanted to. >> of course. this is a policy that could be changed by this administration, this could be changed by the white house, it could be changed by the people that are implementing this policy at
department of justice and health & human services. and to me, this is a flaw -- this is a symptom -- this is not anything new. we continue to have these problems if we don't actually address root causes. uld working about how do we work with costa rica, el salvador, nicaragua. using a four-century solution, from sea to shining sea, is an expensive cost and expensive way to do border security. we need more immigration judges to process people that have come here and going through our courts. these are some of the issues that we should be working on and addressing. the only wayll solves problem is by working across the aisle and that's what some of us are trying to do. >> you are trying to do that. you are working with the gentlemen from california. i gather you are close to getting enough signatures to get
that bill considered on the house floor. what is your message to the house speaker, the leader of your party in congress, about this issue? in particular he has dismissed the bill have you been championing. do you think the tides are starting to turn? . >> i hope it is. what i would say is the two pieces of legislation that were allegedly going to be voted on this week do not have anything that prevents the separation of family from -- separation of kids from their family. this is -- we shouldn't be at a position where legislatively we have to tell people this is a bad idea. and this is something that everybody should know and should be outraged by. you know the stats. last two months, 2,000 kids had been taken from their family from april -- excuse me, from october of 2017 until april of this year. there were 700 kids taken away. 100 of those kids were under the age of 4. they probably had never been away from their mother and father.
this -- it's real simple. let's do the right thing and let's focus on the real problems. let's focus -- taking kids from their mommies is not going to prevent drugs from coming in our country. terrorists from coming in our cr nine and a half years asan und alleys of places like india, and pakistan. this is not how we solve the problem of securing our borders. >> how isolated is this white house? you heard what he says and writes on twitter. we heard kellyanne conway about what she thinks on this policy. i will say it again -- this white house could change this policy in an instant if it wanted to. what's the conversation like among you and your republican colleagues about the white house' position on this? >> i've learned even element within this government do not know what the others are doing. i saw that firsthand when i was trying to go in to this facility and the number of people that didn't know what was indeed actually happening. that's why i had to show up and
see what was going on. in fact, i think i was the first elected official to go into that facility. the bottom line is this. we should not be using kids as pawns. that is against who we are as a nation and it is something that we should require legislation to do because we should just know it. but this is something that i will continue to work on in washington, d.c. to try and prevent this from happening. >> republican congressman will hurd of texas, appreciate your time. for more on the political battle raging over immigration, i'm going to turn to msnbc's mariana atencio who is at a father's day protest in mcgowan, texas. a reporter from the daily beast. may mariana, all eyes on mcgowan, texas today. this protest. what are you seeing today?
>> i'm in front of the processing center where i was told by a pio from border patrol families and children who have been separated from their parents. there is this father's day vigil/protes just beginning over to my left. in fact, i have secretary julian castro who's going to be one of the keynote speakers at this protest. secretary, can you tell me, just as a father. we're standing in front of a facility where children are being yanked from their pares' arms. what made you want to be here today? >> well, this is every parent's night nar. it is e nightmare. ironic that it is father's day. the nightmare is knowing that your child is away from you and crying out for you and desperately searching for you, not knowing when they're going to see you again and you can't do anything about it. we've all seen the images of the young girl crying as the border patrol arrested her mother and i want folks on this father's day
to think about that. i think the reason that this story is resonating with so many people is because it's really not even about the issue of immigration. it's about who we are as human beings and as americans. and people of all different faiths and backgrounds and political persuasions in the last few days have said that it needs to stop. i hope that because of this action and so many others and the voices that are rising up that it will stop. >> what can be done to stop it? what should members of congress do? i mean we know, david, that senator merkley is coming. we know that they're seeing where tent cities are going to be einvestigated to keep the children. what can lawmakers do? >> several things. one, the easiest way for this to stop store president donald trump to stop it. this is his policy. a lot of this is because of a new policy that he put in place that they call zero tolerance. his attorney general has
acknowledged that. other people on his staff have acknowledged that. he could change this right away. secondly, congress can get to work. paul ryan just yesterday said that he doesn't agree with this kind of family separation. they control the congress. he controls the congress. >> what are your thoughts on this bill that paul ryan is going to put forward next week? >> i think there's some good and there's some bad. it's terrible that the president is using these children as hostages so that he can get $25 billion for a wall. and some folks ask, well, why don't you just give him $25 billion for a wall? because i can tell you the minute that the united states puts up that wall, we have changed forever the definition of who we are as americans. and so my hope is that they will take up this issue of family separation in a clean way and deal with it separately. >> i know we have desperately -- the media, there is a small tour going on inside that cpb facility but it's been very hard
to access these centers and to see the conditions that these children are being housed in. to even talk to them. have you tried -- what can you tell us about what you're seen and what you've tried to do zp. >> so far i've only seen the images that have come out in the media. in a little while we'll go and present ourselves and see if we can get a look. i know that there is a congressional delegation here in mcgowan and one in brownsville tomorrow that are going to get a look at the detention centers. my hope, frankly, also is that both the media and workers who are working in these detention centers will continue to put out the images of how the children are being treated so that the american public understands what they're having to go through. >> thank you so much, secretary, for your time and for being here as a father, especially. i'm going to let you get back to the rally. david, back to you. >> mariana atencio in mcgowan, texas. andrew and sabrina, you heard from congressman will hurd a moment ago talking about the need for bipartisan action. you've written a piece, andrew,
about where things stand when it comes to immigration legislation on capitol hill and inertia is the word that you used. why have we not seen a commencery policy response to the outrage that's been ticking up here over these law few days? >> congress is paralyzed here. they really c't figure out what to do. each side has said there is an easy way to fix this. democrats say, the president and justice department should just change the policy and reverse it if they think it is so bad. kellyanne conway said this morning nobody likes it, the president has said it is horrific, things like that. and then the democrats have drafted a one-line piece of legislation that says we're scrapping this policy. they hadn't gottenny republican co-sponsors. the reason why is republicans want to try to leverage this issue as part of broader immigration reforms. we know they are voting on two bills in the house next week that will address daca and border security measures. one of those pieces of legislation apparently does include a fix to this policy that would, in essence, reverse it. but that doesn't really stand much chance of passing in the
house right now as it looks right now. so they all agree, i guess, that it is a bad thing that they don't want this t keep going forward and they don't want families to kee beingeparated but they can't agree on how to go about it. >> sabrina, wor that we heard -- pos hahostages. political pawns. we got the first lady's take. you heard the president say he doesn't like children being separated from their parents at the border. my sense is those words are g used accurately here -- the white house has no qualms, no complaints here with using these children for political ga >> there' no question about it because at the end of the day, this is a trump administration policy. it's something that jeff sessions, the attorney general, that john kelly, the chief of staff, stephen miller, of course a senior policy advisor and speech writer to the president,
have all conceded is part of a zero tolerance approach that they believe would deter other immigrants from coming to cross the border. so the president is trying to deflect blame bysting there's some sort of congressional fix when you've heard time and again, if he wants to, he could end this policy tomorrow. and it is also notable that the pair of house republican bills, there's one a more moderate compromise that would try and deter this policy from continuing but it doesn't explicitly rule it out. it effectively allows children to be detained alongside their parents so that would in some ways prevent them from being separated, but it leaves the subject to the discretion of the homeland security department. and again, i think the important point here is that this is something that the president could end tomorrow if he so chooses but he is trying to seek broader concessions that include more restrictive measures on immigration. >> andrew, returning to something i brought up with congressman hurd, that is the isolation of this white house.
as i mentioned the top of the show, on tuesday the president's going to make the journey to capitol hill. he's going to break bread with his republican colleagues during their weekly luncheon. he's going to talk about immigration with them. how is he likely to be received in all of this? >> well, look. i think the foundation of this right here is something that sabrina briefly mentioned. the fact that stephen miller, john kelly, other folks in the white house, jeff sessions, of course, believe that this zero tolerance policy will act as a deterrent and therefore it is a good thing and should stay in place. then again you have the president saying it is bad and it is the democrats' bill. kellyanne saying nobody likes it. is it good or is it bad? it is just as basic as that that they can't seem to get down and bring forward a unified message. that's something that republican senators who i have spoken with both on and off the record have said that they are really frustrated with were this white house. sometimes they don't know where the president stands on certain things. we saw just on friday the
president said he wouldn't sign the compromise bill. then white house officials came out anonymously and said he will sign it. later in the day they had to definitively put it on the record that the president will sign that compromise bill. it is very basic things like that that in past administrations have been pretty routine and notcontroversial, that have been problematic with this white house. republican senators and republican house members have pretty much been fed up with it. >> sabrina, andrew talked about the messaging strategy. how about the strategy overall? immigration is something this president has talked about since he was a candidate, and beforehand. yet you have detected -- i have detected -- a distaste for engaging in it on a policy level. yes, he will talk about the wall but as this is rolling out on capitol hill he's not involved. >> the pair of immigration bills that the house republicans are poised to vote on this week primarily concern daca, of course -- the loss of protections for unundocumented
immigrants when they were brought to the country as children. that's something the president was supposed to have dealt with at the beginning of the year when lawmars were meeting on a bipartisan basis to try and hash out a daca fix. he was of course the one who rescinded the obama era policy that provided protections to d.r.e.a.m.ers on a temporary basis. at the time he thwarted a bipartisan compromise and now he's embarked on this policy of separating families at the border i think in some ways because he is trying to find other ways to extract these concessions that include funding for his wall along the u.s./mexico border and dramatically reducing not just illegal immigration but also legal immigration. that's something that's included in terms of provisions of these republican bills and why it is not entirely clear if there are sufficient votes for any of these pieces of legislation to pass the house, much less the senate. new today -- revelations of yet another meeting between a trump aide and a russia contact.
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welcome back. i'm david gura. more intrigue in the russia investigation today. here is how a new story begins in the "washington post." photo. one day in late may 2016, roger stone, the political dark sourcerer and long-time confidant of donald trump, slipped into his jaguar and headed out to meet a man with a "make america great again" hat and a vicious russian accent. that man identified himself as henry greenberg. according to roger stone, he offered dirt on hillary clinton with a $2 million price tag. roger stone tells "the washington post" the conversation did not go anywhere but it is of interest to special counsel robert mueller and his team. joining me now, charlie savage, "washington post" for "the new
york times." barbara mcquaid, former u.s. attorney and now the university of michigan law school. charlie, help me make sense of this story. it is a thorny one to be sure. tell us a little bit about who henry greenberg is and what he was proffering? >> this is a fascinating story as "the washington post" rolled it out today. roger stone is admitting that he misled the house intelligence committee by saying he had no other contacts -- or no contacts with russians. now he's saying, yes, he did, he had this guy that he forgot about and this was someone that was coming to him in miami and approaching the campaign, got to him saying i'll give you some dirt in late may of 2016 about hillary clinton if donald trump pays me $2 million, according to roger stone. it seems pretty clear there was a meeting, with both caputo and greenberg an stone, the three people involved in this. seem to be getting slightly different stories about it. it seems to be something that mueller discovered a few months ago and now everyone is having
to correct their testimony about. what we don't understand at this point is was this a for-real offer, another one of those reach-outs from the russian governme in lining up at the same time with the trump tower meeting and so forth? was this some unrelated shenanigan? or was, as roger stone is suggesting, was this potentially another fbi confident informant meeting run at the campaign with a twist -- this was before the counterintelligence investigation formally opened. the most important thing about this at this point may be the politics surrounding it. on fox news this morning, devin nunes of the house intelligence committee goi the mueller investigation since january with his carter page fisa abuse kscandal that kind o dissolved to, there was a sky in the trump campaign thing that kind of dissolved, is now seizing on this report. we'll see what he does with it but he's saying maybe they didn't tell us about this and he
is threatening to impeach rosenstein over it and so forth. that politics is clearly heating up and will unfold in the next few days. >> "the washington post" reported this meeting in florida happened in may just before that, george papadopoulos his meeting where he was told russians had dirt on hillary clinton. june 9th, just a few days later, the trump tower meeting, the infamous trump tower meeting took place. then in july we had this wikileaks release of e-mails, as well. help us understand the context here of what this says about what was happening during that fateful summer? >> well, it depends. the facts matter so much. either we have russia trying to assist the trump campaign in interfering with the election, or to the extent it was called a dangle where they're trying to compromise people by making an offer, once they accept they then have leverage over them to extort them to comply with demands. or, i suppose, there is this suggestion that this is some
sort of fbi sting. it seems unlikely that it is an fbi sting, though i guess the facts will come out at some point. but the reporting previously was that the investigation didn't open until after the fbi received information from the intelligence community about the statements by george papadopoulos that went to australia and then back to the united states in july of 2016. so seems unlikely they would have made a run at roger stone as early as this reporting in may of 2016. but i think the big take-away for me from all of this is roger stone and donald trump jr. did not do what you would want americans to do and that is report that you're being offered something from russia in exchange for interfeerning with the with the election so we can prevent a foreign adversary from interfering in our elections. >> learning about the role roger stone played, he said he forgot about this meeting taking place in florida. mike caputo saying the same thing. help us understand the scrutiny
he is under here as the special counsel's investigation continues. >> roger stone was part of the trump campaign. he then lost that role or has remained as sort of unofficial close advisor or supporter of trump continually. he had some interactions with wikileaks and he also posted something that suggested that he may have known ahead of time that something was coming about podesta's e-mails. so he's been under intense scrutiny as part of what is now the mueller investigation. he's suggested that maybe he might even be indicted over something, though he says that that might be unrelated to russian collusion. he is a long-standing political operative, sort of notorious for his gleeful embrace of the dirty tricks side of politics, going back many, many, many years. a very colorful character in american politics. and now his story may be reaching a climax. >> charlie savage, washington correspondent for "the new york times" and barbara mcquaid from the university of michigan law
school. thanks to both of you. a live look at mcgowan, texas where the protests are just starting. president trump blaming democrats for what's happening on the southern border. but thatoly of separating kids from their parents, a trump administration policy. something then homeland security secretary john kelly talked about on day one. john kelly's predecessor at department of homeland security, jeh johnson, joins me next. how do you win at business? stay at la quinta. where we're changing with stylish make-overs. then at your next meeting,
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president trump continues to play the political blame game who who isponsible for separating migrant children from parents at the u.s./mexico border. i want to be clear. it is something this white house has chosen to do. let's listen to john kelly on cnn last year when he was the secretary of homeland security. >> we have tremendous experience in dealing with unaccompanied minors. we turn them over to hhs and they do a very, very good job of either putting them in kind of foster care or linking them up with parents or family members in the united states. yes, i am considering, in order to deter, more movement along this terribly dangerous network. i am considering exactly that. they will be well cared for as we deal with their parents. >> jeh johnson was secretary of homeland security in president obama's administration and he joins me now here in new york. i want to start by asking you to react to the lies that we have heard from this white house from the president on his twitter account indicating that this is
the fault of democrats in congress. this is a legacy policy that is the fault of the administration that were you a part of. how do you react to that rhetoric coming out of the white house without this problem in particular. >> first, let's be very clear. there is no law passed by democratsr republi that mandates separating children from their parents at the border. what is happening now is in pursuit of what i believe is an unsustainable zero tolerance policy where we flood the criminal justice system with migrants with some form of assembly line guilt pleas resulting in the separation of mother fathers, and their children. that is a policy choice. that is not mandated by the law. if there were such a law, i think i'd know about it because i had the responsibility for enforcing our immigration laws for three years. and if i had tried to enforce the law in that way, i certainly would have heard about it.
but it is something during the obama administration when we consider a variety of options we simply could not do. take us back into the cabinet room when you were talking about what options you had available to deal with this problem of illegal immigration. we talk about discretion. was it something that ever came up? what were those conversations like about going as conservatively as this white house has gone z? >> little bit of history. illegal migration is a fraction of what it used to be. numbers are in the 3,000, 4,000 on our southern border. in 2014 we had spike. women and children who were desperate. basic common sense, you cannot deter a human being from fleeing a burning building with a number of control measures. one of the things we did to deal with the spite, we adopted and i directed was the expansion of family detention which is exactly the opposite of what
this administration is doing right now. >> kept them together. >> i freely admit, that was controversial. it was controversial at the time. by july 2014 the spike was over. lesson learned -- you can do things in terms of enforcement policy to drive down illegal migration numbers in the short term. but they always revert back to the longer term trends. so 2014, the numbers went down sharply. 2015 we had a very low number. it was the second-lowest number since 1972. 2016 numbers began to creep back up again. 2017 when president trump got into office. his anti-immigration rhetoric drove the numbers down again. so for the longest time he had the talking point -- look what's happened on our southern border. and the numbers have crept back up again to where they're now 50,000 a month. so this administration has made the policy choice to embark upon a very, in my personal opinion,
inhumane tactic to try to deter people from coming to this country. longer term? it inot sustainable. and, it is going to be ineffective. what we need to do is address the underlying causes for illegal migration in central america in the first place, in guatemala, honduras, el salvador. the poverty and violence in those countries is absolutely terrible. it is not getting any better. to address it you need aid to those countries. we need to build asylum refugee systems in neighboring countries, mexico, panama, costa rica, belize, which will be very difficult after the mexican election because of the anti-trump backlash we are seeing in mexico. but you have to deal with illegal migration at the source. can you not deter somebody from fleeing a burning building. it is a basic fact of life. it is basic common sense. >> this is a human issue. as i listen to what's coming out of the white house, even as i
listen to the conversation on capitol hill about these two bills that are going to be before the house this week, this is being talked about in a political context. how do you keep that from happening? you see the images that we've seen here over the last week. you've been down to the border many times. you've been to mcgowan and to where tent cities are being expanded. there is a dehumanizing factor here. how do you combat that? >> i believe it is incumbent upon policymakers in washington to actually go to the border. today is father's day. 2018. mother's day 2014, my wife and i visited mcgowan station. i'll never forget the images that i saw in person. you have a facility built for single adult males flooded with children. they look like a crude daycare center. i'll never forget this one little girl was about 8 years old. i went up to her and i said, where issy you are mother? she said i'm looking for my mother in the united states. she started to cry. the translator started to cry.
frankly, it was mother's day so i started to cry. and when i hear about this policy of separating children from their mothers, it's an image i'll never forget. its something we could never do in the prior administration, frankly. >> there is an issue of this being not what america stands for as well. i'll put up a tweet by general michael hayden. he's taken some flack for this tweet. he has a picture of the concentration camp and he writes, other governments have separated mothers and children. he's drawing a, some might say, extreme historical analog there. what do you make of what he's saying? how do you square with what's happening here with what america is, what it's built on and what it's been for the last 200-plus years. >> with all due respect to general hayden, who i know well, i believe that it's time to put aside on both sides the sharp rhetoric and the political talking points. let's just deal in common sense. the american people want their
leaders to do this. the american people want to secure the border. they want to reckon with those who are here, who have been here for years. and i believe they want us to treat those as part of the global community fairly and with humanity. those are american values. that's the notion on which this country was built. americans want to be safe. they want to be secure. i was their secretary for homeland security for three years. but they also want us to live and govern consistent with our values. >> we heard just moments ago from u.s. border patrol's rio grande valley sector chief border patrol agent, manuel padilla. >> know him well. >> you talked about three deficits -- infrastructure, personnel and policy. he's saying he's doing his best given those constraints, that he doesn't have what he needs. how much sympathy do you have for that argument? >> you talk to a border patrol expert like chief padilla, they'll tell you more surveillance, more boetats, mor
lighted vehicles. we already have 700 miles of wall on the southern border. and more immigration judges. but you also have to deal with the problem at its source. the poverty and violence in central america is a terrible. it is a war-torn region of our world. and i've spent hours talking to these mothers, these children, why did you leave? didn't you hear our messaging about the dangers of the journey? and they all say -- this is a basic human calculation -- it was more dangerous for me there than it is here. unless we deal with we're going to continue to bang our head against the wall to try to reckon with this problem. >> at the top of the hour my colleag colleague talked to secretary castro. there is the argument, just spend the money, build this wall, placa the president and we can move on to other things. >> he said basically, that will change the definition of who we are. that's going to fundamentally
change this country. do you agree with that characterization? >> i have to take a more practical approach. governing is politics and politics is compromised. we already have a wall. we have a wall. we have fence over 700 miles of the 1,900 southern border in places where it makes sense to build a wall. now you could always supplement that. you can always fortify that. you can always do things to strengthen the wall. but we've got to do it in a smart way, in a smart investmen of taxpayer money, along with other things to secure our border an deal with people fairly and humanely. and reckon with the existing daca population who is here now. they are de facto americans and they ought to be given an opportunity to stay on the books, pay taxes and be accountable, frankly. >> does this administration understand what it hath wrought? you talk about the daca policy. this administration changed that
policy. you look at the problem that's taking place, issues taking place on the border today with these families being separated, that is something that this administration has chosen to do. is this administration behaving thoughtfully enough? if claims to have a strategy here, as you've seen it rolled out, as you've seen it talked about. are people thinking through what these decisions mean? to people, in a human way, as you describe. >> i say in public speeches, those who know history learn from it. those who don't know the mistakes of history are bound to repeat them. history tends to rhyme. and i feel as though i've seen in some respects this movie before. this administration seems to be desperate to do things to drive the numbers down on our southern border. that may have a short-term effect, at best. longer term, the numbers will most likely revert to their normal patterns as long as we do not deal with the problem at its source, which is poverty and violence in guatemala, honduras,
and el salvador. that's something we just have to maybe longer term investment in. otherwise, each successive administration is going to be dealing with this investing huge amounts of taxpayer dollars in this over and over and over again. >> secretary johnson, thank you very much. very generous with your time, jeh johnson, now a partner at the law firm paul weis. more in a moment on the consequences of this administration's zero tolerance policy. we'll check back in to texas in a moment. our colleague jacob soboroff just wrapping up a tour of a border patrol processing center there. he'll join me next. familiar co, but we make more than our name suggests. we're an organic tea company. a premium juice company. a coconut water company. we've got drinks for long days. for birthdays. for turning over new leaves. and we make them for every moment in every corner of the country. we are the coca-cola company,
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>> reporter: yeah. whereas at the other detention center which is actually a shelter run by the office of refugee resettlement, there were 1,400 young boys between the ages of 10 and 17. there were no cages, there were no fences. that's what there is inside of here. everybody is designed effectively very large cells with multiple people. this is the biggest border patrol detention facility along the southern border. let's be really clear -- this is the first part of the situation here. the first part of the process after you get apprehended by border patrol. then folks once they are separated, or if they come as an unaccompanied minor, will go to a station like i saw in brownsville, texas. for the most part here, it was family units. 55,000 square feet of families. also unaccompanied minors. it was exactly as you've seen in those pictures before. there were a l of people under those silver mylar blankets sleeping on the floor. it was around 72 degrees but
some said in spanish it was cold. the thing i learned coming out of this facility, david, is this is the epicenter of where the separations actually happen. there is a point when the department of justice decides whether or not to prosecute the family units, the parents, the heads of household. at that point they are at about 40% in the sector according to manuel padilla, border patrol chief. they'll come to a processing part of this facility, which that parent, basically serve them with some paperwork and take them away from their child. that child may end up staying here, then be re-united with that parent if they have a quick turnaround and come back. but it is also very possible that that parent may go -- >> little difficulty with the connection with jascob soboroff in mcgowan. we heard the agent talking about where it is in the process,
describing the situation they face and talking about the consellalations of facilities across the border and deal with migrants coming to the united states. jacob soboroff indicating mostly families there all together. but this is where he said ground zero for where the separations take place. jacob soboroff, we'll take you by phone to continue our conversation. i mentioned that you heard from customs and border patrol before you embarked on that tour. weep listened in to the press conference at the top of it. what did the leaderboarder patrol agent say about in terms of context, about what we've seen here and what it says about the entire migration system here in the country? >> frankly, it is the talking point of the border patrol. it is the rio grande valley sect sector. 50% of the people that come here come to seek asylum, whether
they're cells, made up of the same type of fence you would sigh around the batting cage or user cool, so it's in the eyes of the beholder, but people are inside, confined spaces, in large groups, there are fourth different quadrants, heads of households that are males, households that are female, and you've got a family units that are being held together. there's a lot of uncertainly inside this facility right now. it's one of the young migrants was talking to us, a group of
reports who was crying, she was told about the situation with the children, because the reality is a lot of people are coming into this country with their kids, for the first time ever, again to reiterate the trump administration is a zero toll ran policy, where they're making a choice to create this by separating kids on from their families. >> last question here, jacob, how palpable is the confusion, with so many people in there, with so few social workers you just visited, how much confuse is there about what's happening and what's going to happen next and how long this process is going to take. >> you notice it's a great question. their goal is to get to 100% on family separations by way of prosecuting 100% of the people that come into the country. right now he said they're only at about 40%.
he said ultimately that depends on whether or not this deters people coming into the country. it's too early to know if things are going to slow down here or not. at the end of the day, that is what the trump administration is trying to do. but if you look at the history of border patrol enforcements deterrence, while walls may have slowed people, they end up going to other places trying to cross in more dangerous ways, and ultimately it just becomes a shifts. you may have people not crossing, but instead running from the border patrol down here in south texas, one of the most dangerous places to cross a border if you're not going to turn yourself into the border patrol once you get to the other side. there are consequences we may not yes have seen, including an increase of people injured or dying on of thoughs rhos. >> jacob, thank you for joining muss. i should say the images you have been seeing here are from the department of health and human services, what we call handout videos of a facility that jacob visited earlier in the week,
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hour. the biggest story this sunday, the growing intolerance for the so-called zero-tolerance policy, outrage around the country today, the president's crackdowns on my grantfamilies, separating their children from their parents. nearly 2,000 pulled in just the last six weeks. this hour we are live at one facility where they're being kept, some in cells. it's getting worse, not better, corn to the border patrol. federal lawmakers on the ground in texas pushing the administration to look court as they look to tuesday when prompt is scheduled to visit capitol hill. we begin this hour with the heartbreaking story of my grant children being used as political pawn. data from the department of homeland security says nearly 2,000 minors have been separated from their parents in the last six weeks alone. that's a rate of roughly 46 kids
a day. well, moments ago my colleague jacob sob orove say some have been forced into cells. president trump continuing to about who is responsible on cam rho, on twitter, defiantly, wrongly pointing his finger at democrats, blaming them for the current cris that's tearing families apart. >> the children can be taken care of quickly, beautifully and immediately. the democrats forced that law upon our nation. i hate it. i hate to seeion of parents and children. >> the fact of the matter is also president trump's zero toll ran approach to immigration that's led to this. that is why it's happening. >> their election year strategy to win the midterm election in 2028, shoos keep their jobs, right? is to be as mean, as vicious as cruel you can be to immigrants, that they can say to their base vote