tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC June 18, 2018 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
there you go. closing the loop on that story. now i'm a canoe owner. ahead tonight on lawrence's show, one pioneering u.s. lawmaker who was among the first people in elected office to knock on doors and demand answers and access on the border for this policy of separating kids from their parents is u.s. senator jeff merkley of oregon he's been at this from the beginning. he's joining lawrence you don't want to miss that. that's does it for me tonight now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell" good evening. >> good evening. the reporter you had on in your hour changed our understanding of this story again. there's been heroic reporting coming out of the southern border but that audio she was able to make of those children under those conditions is like nothing we've heard before. >> there will be an ongoing fight to get visuals beyond
allowing us to hear what it's like. but she's the first one to have published anything from inside the facilities. it's gut wrenching to hear it. this will mark a pivot point in this story. mark my words. >> we'll play it several times during this hour and we have to warn people it is the most difficult thing you'll hear. >> thank you, lawrence. >> melania speaks. she didn't speak but the current first lady of the united states took the extraordinary step for her of allowing her spokesperson to issue a written public comment on her behalf about a government policy, in this case a policy created and ordered into effect by her husband. the statement says mrs. trump hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform. she believes we need to be a country that follows all laws
but also a country that governs with heart. there's no indication that the first lady has spoken to her husband about this, as every first lady before her certainly would have done and as we can be sure now every first lady before melania trump has done, they have spoken to their husbands about this and have all made much clearer, much stronger public comments than the current first lady. michelle obama retreated something laura bush said today, quote, i live in a border state, i appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries but this zero tolerance policy is cruel. it is immoral. and it breaks my heart. laura bush's predecessor, first lady hillary clinton said donald trump's family separation policy is, quote, an affront to our values. and roselyn carter said the practice and policy today of removing children from their
parents' care at our border with mexico is disgraceful and a shame to our country. last week, photo journalist john moore captured the moment that appeared on the front page of the "new york times" and showed the world that what was happening on our southern border is state sanctioned child abuse. trump ordered child abuse. since then, we have had a parade of child psychiatrists and pediatricians stepping forward to say what every parent knows, this is child abuse. john moore, the photographer who has covered war zones and seen it all was deeply disturbed by what he saw that night. he tried to calm one of the children who was being separated by his mother by telling him in spanish, don't worry everything is going to be okay. and john moore said he regretted saying that almost immediately because he said, quote, i have no way of knowing if things will be okay.
the president of the united states once again lied about his policy today and tried to blame the democrats for a policy that was begun on april 6th of this year by the attorney general of the united states with this memo sent to federal prosecutors along the southwest border and titled zero tolerance. donald trump doesn't have zero tolerance for anything else. he just let a mother out of prison who was tried and convicted of drug dealing and money laundering and that was the right thing to do. at kim kardashian's urging donald trump was right to decide that zero tolerance for drug dealing and zero tolerance for money laundering meant zero humanity. so he released one mother from federal custody that day while every day putting dozens and dozens of mothers into federal custody and separating them from their babies, from their toddlers and from their children and as the president does this,
he lies about it every day and everyone working for the president lies about it every day. they try to tell the lie that this april 6th memo from jeff sessions does not exist. they try to tell you that the democrats did something to make this happen when the democrats did nothing to make this happen. lying is now an official component of every trump policy. first comes the policy, then comes the lie about the policy. donald trump also told the lie last week that he hates what he's doing. >> i hate it. i hate to see separation of parents and children. >> okay. now did you catch the kernel of truth in what he actually did just say? the words are very important. he said, i hate to see the separation of parents and children. and that is true. he does literally hate to see it, but he doesn't hate to do it.
and that's why he continues to do it, but he does hate to see it because even donald trump can see how ugly it is. even donald trump can see how cruel it is. even melania trump can see how ugly and cruel it is. so i'm sure donald trump does hate to see it, and that's why he lies about the policy. if he thought his policy looked good, if donald trump thought this photograph is america at its best, then donald trump wouldn't be blaming the democrats for what you see in that photograph. donald trump would probably be saying, i did that and i'm so glad that you can see what i did. but donald trump hates to see that, because he knows how bad that looks and now donald trump is trying -- is going to hate not just what it looks like, but what it sounds like. because we now have an audio recording secretly made at an unnamed children's prison somewhere on the southern border and now there are all sorts of euphemisms going around about what these places are, is it a walmart, a concentration camp,
are they jails, are they prisons? they are being used as jails and the experience the children are having is the same experience they get in jails and prison. where most jails and prisons have television and recreation of some kind and a small amount of time outdoors. but every adult in america after being convicted of even the most heinous crimes can see his or her mother or father if they're still alive. mothers have visiting rights in prisons. but the mothers of our -- on our southern border have no rights. including basic human rights. not since april 6th of this year. this is the secret audio recording released today by pro publica. these are the children in one of
daddy, daddy. that's what the day after father's day sounds like in america today. and i'm sure donald trump hates to hear that. i'm sure donald trump hates for us to hear that. but donald trump does not actually hate what is happening there, because donald trump did that to those children whose voices you just heard crying for their mothers and fathers. and donald trump vowed today to continue to do it. in an op-ed for "the washington post," former republican first lady laura bush offered her own report of life on our southern border. she wrote in the six weeks between april 19th and april
31st, the department of homeland security has sent nearly 2,000 children to mass detention centers or foster care. more than 100 of these children are younger than 4 years old. the reason for the separations is a zero tolerance policy for the parents who are aused of illegally crossing our borders. i live on a border state. this is cruel, immoral, and it breaks my heart. laura bush recalled another republican first lady, her mother-in-law, barbara bush who while first lady at the height of the aids crisis in this country visited a home in washington d.c. for children with hiv/aids. in those days many americans believed they could catch aids simply by touching a baby with aids. those babies were even sometimes called the untouchables. laura bush remembers the
photograph that we all saw of first lady barbara bush picking up, quote, a dieing baby named donovan and snuggled him against her shoulder to smooth him. my mother-in-law never viewed her embrace of that fragile child as courageous, she simply saw it as the right thing to do. so we are at another possible first lady moment. a moment where the first lady can actually do something that none of the rest of us can. in the jails that donald trump is now running on the southern border for children and toddlers and babies, the rules say that none of the people working there can touch the children. it is against the rules to hug one of the toddlers. and you don't have to be a pediatrician to know the large body of information we now have about the importance of children being hugged, especially the youngest ones, the power of the loving hug for a toddler, for a
baby. it is a power that barbara bush completely understood. so the current first lady's moment has come. she never did have that press conference that her husband promised she was going to have during the campaign in which she would explain that she did not violate immigration law by coming to the united states when she first arrived in the united states and working here illegally. donald trump promised that she was going to have a press conference in a couple of weeks, two years ago. she never did it. she never explained her legal status when she first worked in the united states. she's never done that. and so, the one and only first lady of the united states who might herself have violated immigration law when she came to the united states can tomorrow do something worthy of the title first lady. melania trump can go to the southern border and she can enter any one of the child jails
that her husband has created and she can go find for us the girls and the babies that the trump government is hiding from us and won't let us see. melania trump can go and find one of those little girls, find one of those little babies, one of those untouchables like barbara bush before her, pick that baby up and hug her and soothe her. melania trump can give one of those untouchable little girls the warmth she deserves, the hug she deserves. let's see how long it would take for the first lady of the united states to help one of those babies stop crying. just one. let's see what the warmth of melania trump's embrace can do. from one immigrant to another. joining us now from capitol hill is senator jeff mercury, a democrat from oregon who was denied access to one of those
facilities in brownsville, texas ten days ago. thank you for joining us. as rachel said at the beginning of the hour, you were the senator who first went down to texas to say we have got to see this. you pulled our attention with you and the attention has just built over time. where do you see this going from here, and what do you think of the most pressing issues tonight? >> well, one of the most pressing issues is to recognize the situation just getting worse. between when i went two weeks ago and when i went yesterday, we have a whole new development. which is that the border guards are now blocking those seeking asylum at the port of entries from progressing across the bridge to be able to assert a claim of asylum. i couldn't believe they were doing this, i heard about it from the refugee pro bono workers. we saw border guards there block
those, checking their papers, letting a few in a day. i want to tell you about a little girl named andrea. her mother made it across to assert asylum. we asked her how she got across. she said i walked with the cars instead of with the people and pretended i was washing the windows of those cars until i was close you have to jump back over in line and be on american soil. that's how she did it. and she had this little girl in her arms. she said her little girl was -- and had been born en route to the united states and beautiful, beautiful little girl. and we asked, how did you -- why did you come to the u.s.? she said, my family took a loan from a private bank and that private bank is associated with a drug cartel so when we
couldn't repay it, they sent the folks to say if we couldn't repay i would die. she said i was marked as soon as i delivered my baby. so i had to flee at eight months pregnant to make it to the u.s. to save my life and the life of my baby. that's the type of person coming to assert their right to asylum, to get a fair hearing and they're being blocked at the ports of entry. so another dimension. when secretary neilsen said today if they come to a point of entry, she knows they're slow walking and the policy is separating parents from their children. >> we saw what you're talking about on the border done by intercept. how they are standing right at
that edge of the border to prevent these asylum seekers from getting two feet across the line, because legally, correct me if i'm wrong, the moment they get both feet across the line, at that point they cannot be legally turned away. >> they can be slow walked from there. two weeks ago there was 40 families sleeping on that bridge. they were there because night after night they'd say you can't get in the door to the port of entry. and so they would wait day after day. and they made quite a sight. and so with seven of us going down they department want that sight there. so they were stopping them at the middle of the bridge. we heard it appeared the mexican guards on the far end were also checking papers, which is rare. they don't do it when people are leaving a country. as if they might be working in cooperation. we weren't able to substantiate that because our team wouldn't
let us go to the far end of the bridge if we did we had to go through the whole customs process and we wouldn't have time for that so we couldn't check out that piece but it looked like there was a little bit of cooperation across the border. >> senator jeff merkley thank you for joining us tonight and thank you for getting us the focus on this story. really appreciate it. >> you're so welcome. kellyanne conway used catholicism as a justification for the new trump policy of family separation and lied about the policy while she used her catholicism to justify that policy. and the head of the justice department called the president of the united states today a liar. but he did it much more elegantly than i do. you're turning onto the street when you barely clip a passing car. minor accident-no big deal, right? wrong. your insurance company is gonna raise your rate after the other car got a scratch so small
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the girls remain a mystery. even the secretary of homeland security isn't sure what to say about what has happened to the girls who have been separated from their parents at the southern border. >> a cup of questions. why is the government only releasing images of the boys being held? where are the girls? where are the young toddlers? >> i'm not familiar with those particular images. >> do you know where the girls are? do you know where the long toddlers are? >> we have children in dhs in both. but after 72 hours they're transferred to hhs.
>> they've been aired all over national television throughout the day. we've only seen the boys. >> i'll look into that. >> joining us now an msnbc correspondent who's live at mcallen, texas. i know there's a little delay in our satellite connection here. what do we know about the girls? that was one of the big questions in washington today. we haven't seen any pictures of girls being held. what do we know about where the girls are? >> we don't really know at this point. all we have had access to as journalists is where these boys are, which is the images we have seen from that facility in brownsville.
in this facility behind me now, this is the epicenter of these family separations that are happening. over 1,100 children that have been separated from their families at the ursula processing center behind me here. but there's been very little access and that is part of the problem with this administration's new policy. i mean, today you heard that pro-publica audio about the children wailing inside one of these facilities. it's with these little things we're getting a glimpse at the trauma these children are enduring. i was able to speak to some children who were separated from their parents after they had been released from facilities like the one behind me, because the parents, even though they crossed here illegally, they were not prosecuted as zero tolerance is still not operating at 100% capacity. and these children who i spoke to were separated for a span of four or five days, six days, and
when i asked them about their experiences, they just started sobbing and would tell me these horrific stories of sleeping on the floor. of not knowing where their parents were. so that is what happened to a child over a span of five days. you can just imagine when we talk about 2,000 children in the span of six weeks who still don't know where their parents are. >> victoria, it's kind of surprising to hear the homeland security secretary who's supposed to be in command of all of this not being able to enlighten us at all about what's happened to the girls. >> there's the horror of the family separation itself but a second horror is the logistical nightmare we're seeing. everything has been thrown together in a short time period. so you have i.c.e. under homeland security, the initial intake, and then under them you see them separating out children to the office of refugee
resettlement under hhs and then the parents are going into the federal prison system. technically there's an alien registration number they're given once they cross the border and processed by homeland security but what happens after they go to the different event tips? we don't know. the head of homeland security didn't know. it's this logistical nightmare. there's been no planning. and this is part and parcel of the trump administration. they throw stuff together but human lives are at stake here. families, babies separated from their parents. and this isn't getting to the nightmare of the judicial component. once these folks are set to get their court date we're going to have a tremendous backlog because we don't have the judicial component to deal with this as well. >> and now that we've seen some images of what's going on inside these places, but now we have the audio today for the first time. we're able to listen to it.
and i have to say, there's -- it's horrible to say this, but it's not surprising that what you hear on that audio of 6-year-old girls and other kids that age are kids crying about their mothers and their fathers. what did we expect to hear? >> it was honestly, sickening to hear that audio. especially when you hear agents inside hearing these children sobbing saying things like, do we have an orchestra here? all we need now is a conductor instead of consoling these children. when you're talking about about logistical nightmare, we need to talk about the number of care givers available in facilities like the one behind me. according to jacob soboroff who was inside, only four people qualified to take care of children in a facility of that size.
i go back to the conversations i had today and really for the past four days, i've been here since friday, with these children who were separated only for a couple of days, lawrence, and they tell me things like i was stripped of all of my belongings, even these little wrinkled pieces of paper where they have the one phone number for their aunt or uncle here in the united states. these are kids that were brought here through no fault of their own. and also we have to emphasize the fact that these are children that are traumatized not because they're separated from their parents but this is really trauma that begins in their home countries. they're fleeing for a reason. the countries like el salvador, guatemala, honduras, two of those are the murder capital of the world. so then they get here and they're separated from their moms and dads for unknown periods of time. thank you both for joining
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clinton's e-mail. the inspector general was asked about president trump saying this. >> i think that the report yesterday maybe more importantly than anything it totally exonerates me. there was no collusion. here's how senator patrick leahy brought that up with the inspector general in his testimony today. >> but there's nothing in the report that says it exonerates the president from any question of collusion with the russians? it says nothing one way or the other, is that correct? >> we did not look into collusion questions. >> such a polite way of calling the president a liar. donald trump's fbi director christopher wray testified at that same hearing today. remember donald trump chose christopher wray to be the director of the fbi after donald trump fired james comey so he is in every sense donald trump's fbi director. here's what christopher wray
said about the president's constant tweets that robert mueller's investigation is a witch hunt. >> i do not believe special counsel robert mueller is on a witch hunt. >> and some republican senators were pretending to be shocked and outraged that some fbi agents' texts revealed that those fbi agents were strongly opposed to donald trump's candidacy for president. how dare an fbi agent be against donald trump. here is lindsey graham in full outrage today about those fbi agents. >> here's what ms. page said on march the 4th, 2016. god trump is a loathsome human. how do you feel about that? she's entitled to her opinion. >> i think we laid out here why we were so concerned about it.
>> and here is that same lindsey graham offering his opinion about donald trump during the presidential campaign about the very same time that those fbi agents were offering their opinions. >> looking back, we should have basically kicked him out of the party. the more you know about donald trump the less likely you are to vote for him. the more you know about his business enterprises, the less successful he looks. the more you know about his politics, the less republican he looks. >> here is senator cruz just outraged. >> when mr. strzok was in charge he used an fbi devise to call president trump an fing idiot, a loathsome human and a disaster. >> correct. >> an idiot and a disaster. who would ever say things like that? here is ted cruz during the
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joining our discussion now david frum, senior editor for the atlantic. and david, the -- there's so much that the giuliani and some republican senators today tried to extract from the idea that there were some members of the fbi who thought donald trump was a very bad presidential candidate. so bad that they didn't want him to be president. like, of course, all of those republican senators at that hearing today. >> i worked on rudy giuliani's 2007/2008 presidential campaign, i think he was a great mayor of new york but time catches up with all of us, i suppose. i think what happened, i believe there's an hbo or netflix special in which they show some people on the obama campaign who were upset on the night that hillary clinton lost as you tend to be when your person loses. and he may have miswired that tv special with what happened in his head to those fbi agents.
>> and the clinging to the texts of the fbi agents in the inspector general's report seems to be the only thing that republicans are trying to pull out of it. the inspector general's report says there's no evidence that the agents involved ended up making decisions or changing the direction of investigations based on their own political preferences. and, in fact, the delay that is demonstrated in getting to these anthony weiner laptop, there's like a one-month delay, that delay hurt the clinton campaign very, very badly. >> today is one of those days like when those cars try to pile into too view lanes on the expressways. there's another story i want to comment to your viewers. the wilbur ross story reported in forbes magazine. on any other day this would be the biggest scandal of the day, week, month.
wilbur ross apparently lied, not illegally, but lied about divesting himself of investment in russian kremlin linked companies and when asked about it by journalists, shorted the stock and five days later divested it. and he sold it to his bank to hold in trust for members of his family. i recommend people to read the forbes story. it is going to get lost but it's really important. >> the reason there's no criminal violation there is that the intent to divest, which is all that he had expressed earlier was that something that he did not do. and that's not -- you're not held to that intent to the point of criminal penalty. >> one of the things we are going to discovery when all of this is over, is we have a lot of laws about government integrity. they were written in the 1970s on the assumption that people who would serve in government would be affluent professionals. they weren't to capture people with webs of international
holdings. and we need to revisit the laws written in the '70s. >> wilbur ross is actually the member of the administration with the most complex and vast holdings around the world. david frum, thank you very much for joining us. really appreciate it. coming up, president trump's team has been using the bible and kellyanne conway decided to use catholicism to justify what donald trump is doing to children on the southern border. mitzi: psoriatic arthritis tries to get in my way? watch me. ( ♪ ) mike: i've tried lots of things for my joint pain. now? watch me. ( ♪ ) joni: think i'd give up showing these guys how it's done? please. real people with active psoriatic arthritis are changing the way they fight it. they're moving forward with cosentyx.
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the sort of separation of kids from their families, the lying about it. the putting of kids in cages is reprehenceable. and religious leaders and people in general need to call it what it is, sin. a country that enshrines separation of church and state in the constitution, we never need to use church in justifying policies. but we love to it. and the trump administration is using it to justify the southern border. jeff sessions used a bible passage frequently used to justify slavery. and now kellyanne conway has come along and pulled catholicism into this at the same time the catholic pope and bishops and priests have spoken against what happens.
she repeated the lie that what's happening on the southern border is the democrats' fault. here are the words kellyanne conway used to try to build credibility to her lying yesterday. she said she was speaking, quote, as a mother, as a catholic, as somebody who's got a conscience. >> as a mother, as a catholic, as somebody who has got a conscience and wouldn't say the junk that somebody said, apparently, allegedly, i will tell you nobody likes this policy. you saw the president on camera he wants this to end. but congress has to contact. joining us now the reverend michael curry and father james martin.
and father martin i'm going to go to you first simply because of kellyanne conway's invocation of catholicism of your faith. i'd like to get your reaction to that. >> i think what it seems to me's saying is absurd. i believe she has a conscience obviously, but i think most people who see what's going on in the border realize their conscience is telling them this is outrageous. and it's sinful. there's a reason we're so outraged. it's because god moves through our consciences and tries to move us through action. so it's sinful. >> bishop, your reaction. >> for those of us who are christian, the standard of our conduct, is jesus, probably one of the most compassionate people whoever walked the face of this earth. and this jesus tells us to love god, love our neighbor and that's the fulfillment that god intends.
we're bidden to follow that. and separating children from their parents is not loving your neighbor. >> to the people in our audience who are not religious, have no religion, to atheists, they can come to the conclusion that this is an immoral act without any religious guidance whatsoever. and morality can be found in certain positions without any religious guidance whatsoever or any religious belief. how do you feel when you hear politicians using religion to justify their choices like this? >> well, it's -- it's immoral, and it's wrong. and it's a misuse of religion. the use of romans 13, for example, to justify this action -- romans 13 was used to justify slavery. it was used to justify naziism in germany. romans 13 has -- but it was a misuse even of st. paul. but even with that said, for a
christian to quote romans 13 over jesus of nazareth, as if jesus of nazareth doesn't exist, that, it seems to me, is highly problematic, and it's just flat-out run. it's unbiblical. it's unchristian, and it's un-american. >> father martin, you've had your own experience working in africa with refugees at different points in the past. you've seen these kinds of problems before. so what you're seeing on the southern border is familiar to you. >> sure. i worked in africa with refugees from all over the place and settling in nairobi, and i saw firsthand what it meant for these people to try to find a new life and flee persecution. no one wants to be a refugee. no one wants to be a migrant. they do it out of great love for their families. they have a lot of guts to do it, and i think it's up to us to welcome them. i think a lot of problem with these christians who say they're
reading the bible is i don't know what bible they're reading because the bible i read has jesus reaching out to those on the margins, including and most especially migrants and refugees. >> bishop, you captured the world with your sermon at the royal wedding, and i wonder if you've considered delivering a sermon on this subject. >> well, i did just this past sunday actually. yeah, and the truth is i have a feeling pulpits across the land, similar sermons were preached. love your neighbor as yourself. do unto others as you would have them do unto you. my question to all those who have a conscience, and i'm not questioning that, but who may be supporting this policy, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. that's jesus talking in matthew chap 7, the golden rule. i mean i'm a father of children. i remember one time our oldest daughter, she was like 2 or 3 or
something. we were in the store, and i turned my head for just a split-second, and she wandered away into the little clothing thing. i couldn't find her. i panicked internally. do we realize that's what parents are feeling when their children are being taken away from them by our government? that's not america. that's not american. we can do better than that. >> father martin, what would you say to catholics who hear kellyanne conway say -- use ca tholism as her justification. >> i would say pay attention to your own consciences. there's a reason why when we hear these recordings of kids trapped in these cages that it pulls at our heartstrings. there's a reason why we see pictures of kidding being taken from their mothers and fathers why it disturbs us. that's our conscience. kellyanne conway can say one thing but your conscience says something else. it's listening to the voice of god. also as bishop was saying, come to know jesus. it's pretty clear what jesus is
saying in the gospels. i don't know how much clear i you could get is i was a stranger and you did not welcome me. if that doesn't work, go back and read the parable of the good samaritan. >> to the point of conscience being the voice of god, i just want to again stress that this is the country where the constitution separates church and state. and we all know, and i think we at this table all grant that atheists have consciences too. and for them it is not the voice of god. it is their own voice and their own conscience and their own learnings about the world and their own morality that is telling them what this is when they see it. but, bishop, what would be -- if you could get a second with the president, what would you tell him about this? >> i would say to him, my brother, my brother, do good. do what is just. do what is kind, and you'll be following jesus. >> bishop michael curry gets the last word on this tonight.
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madrid who is 6 years old. she traveled with her mother to our border, where our border patrol separated her from her mother. alison memorized her aunt's phone number in the united states. here she is on audio obtained by propublica, begging to be allowed to speak to her aunt. >> alison human of valencia, madrid, gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now.
tonight the haunting images and now audio of children separated from their parents at the border. we're live in south texas with a look at what one pediatrician calls government-sanctioned tea look at what one pediatrician calls government-sanctioned child abuse. plus, defiance from the white house as the trump administration tries to blame democrats and congress for a policy of the president's making and one that he could stop. reaction to all this from one of our studio guests tonight, ohio governor john kasich. "the 11th hour" on a monday night begins now. well, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters in new york. day 515 of the trump administration and today's news left millions of americans with a helplessness and upsetting and depressing reaction almost unique in the modern era.