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i will see you again at 11:00 a.m. live from texas. right now, more news in washington, d.c. with my colorado colleague hallie jackson. we'll see you back along the boarder in just about 60 minutes from now. i'm hallie jackson in washington where what's happening to kids is really the only story right now. so for the next 53 seconds, i'm going to ask you to just listen. >> papi. >> mommy. [ crying ]
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[ speaking foreign language ] >> those are kids crying for their parents in the first moments of being separated under that new trump administration's zero tolerance policy. we obtained that audio when has not been verified after it was first published. so that is the sound of what is happening. the question is why is it happening? the administration says it's supposed to be a deterrent. wait a second. actually not everybody in the administration says that. the secretary of homeland security says it's not. with nor democrats this morning now calling on her to step down. chances that happens, slim to none based on our reporting because the president is not backing down. the administration seems dug in, even with anger spilling over not just from opponents, but from allies now. guess who's head to the hill right in the middle of all of this? this guy, the president, that meeting is going to get hot. we have a team of reporters
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covering the story from everying an from the mexico to texas and right here in washington. the white house director of legislative affairs mark short had been set to join this show. about 40 minutes ago we were told that something came up and he might have to reschedule but the white house is working on trying to get him in the next 60 minutes. if that happens you know where you can find that right here. i want to start with jacob soboroff. jacob, you have been in nearby mission, texas, you've been along the boarder in the say story that we have been covering for weeks. it's hitting a different inflection point it seems today, not just in texas but back here at home in d.c. tell me what you've seen that's different over the last 24 hours than what you saw before. >> reporter: well, let's first of all remind everybody that inside this building the mccall len border patrol processing station, the most family separations are happening, there are probably over 1200 people inthere detained by the border patrol and 1100 young kids have been separated from their families right here in this sector alone.
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that's the larger context of what's going on. this morning we were down on the border in mission, texas. that's one of the key crossing locations for migrants that come into the country in order to present themselves to the border patrol to seek asylum. the big question you have to ask as far as is this policy working are people still come something according to border patrol, they are. the department of homeland security told me this morning that they believe that this deternd deterrence policy the not start working for weeks because people have not stopped leaving central america. they are on the journey that takes weeks if not over a month in order to get here. but they do say that they believe sooner rather than later people will stop leaving or at least in the numbers we've come to dprekt those central american companies. i does d ask them if they're message willing in those countries, the u.s. government, and they didn't have an answer for me quite yet. that's something we're still trying to figure out. >> come back as soon as you here
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anything. i know right now members of the home land security and department of human services are talking with reporters. we'll be bringing you headlines over the next 30 minutes. we are in reynosa, mexico, just across the border from where you just saw jacob. she's with families waiting to krots border, whether it is actual causi actually causing them to think twice about this. i'm anxious to hear what you're hearing from these families. >> reporter: we just entered this place that say migrant shelter which is the last stop on this underground railroad that these families to v to make to finally make it to the u.s. and frankly i just came out, there's about 60 people here. and it's a mixed bag. i want to start with this woman over here. she's from mexico. she has four children. do you know that there's a new policy, enacted by the trump
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administration? she knows about the policy. that does that change your mind about crossing with your four children? [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: i'm not going to cross anymore. so this mother from mexico which is a rarity because most of the families crossing are from central america, she's here with her four children, she will not cross. i want to talk this to claudio over here. you're from honduras? do you know there's a new policy enacted by the trump administration [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: that it could separate your family? she knows about the policy. are you going to try to cross with your two children? [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: she will try and cross with her two kids and she told me she's fleeing high levels of violence in honor durrous. i want to stalk to another mother. she already tried to cross. she said she tried to seek political asylum but was turned back. are you going try to cross again with your children legally or
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illegally? [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: yes, i'll cross. legally or illegally, even though there's a poll say that could prosecute you and take these children away from you? [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: yes, i'll cross. can i ask you why would you part with these kids? what are you fleeing from that is so dangerous? [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: i'm fleeing violence in honduras. we are threatened, our lives are threatened. we cannot be in honduras, they want to kill my entire family. thank you for sharing our stories with us today. again, hallie, it's a mixed bag and it's kind of these mixed messages that we've been also hearing from the administration about deterrence. and, again there are is the last
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point of respite for these families before crossing over when they are making these life-changing decisions. >> so a couple things here. when you talk about central america, we're actually going there later on in the show. we've got god did i schwartz in guatemala. but i'm struck by the comments from the woman that you just spoke with. one of the questions that i think we hear from folks, folks around the country is why are these families crossing the border, breaking the law, crossing illegally if, in fact, they know they could be separated from their kids? it sounds like based on your conversation part of the reason is because it is so bad, it's so awful and so dangerous where they're coming from, that these families are willing to take that risk. >> absolutel . >> reporter: absolutely, hallie. i spoke to a 10-year-old boy, he was separated for a short period of time from his mom, they crossed illegally. he said that at 10 years old he had been tried to get recruited
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by these gangs in his school and that they told him if you don't enlist with us, we will murder your sister and mother. that's what these mothers are seeing in their home countries, getting here to shelters like this one and then being facinged with this incredibly difficult decision of do i cross and getting these children taken from me. >> thank you very much. we'll be talking back in with you throughout the morning. here in washington the administration is trying to explain why president trump is doing this. we know it wasn't on a whim. this didn't just pop up in the is something the former white house secretary now chief staff talked about a year and a half ago. was reported on last month by "the washington post." they obtained a copy of the prosal to rewrite the detention of migrant kids. white whous white house is doing this. you've had the administration
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all over the place saying, for example, things like it is a deterrent, saying that it's in the bible. we want to play you a little bit of what we've heard from administration officials and what kearirstjen nielsen sheaid monday. >> our department of homeland security personnel is going to separate the children from their moms and dads? >> yes, i am considering in order to deter more movement along this network i'm considering just that. >> are you insend tending to se message and separate children from their families? >> i find that offensive. why i would create a poll say that purposely does that. >> hopefully people will get the message and come through the border at the port of entry and not break across the border unlawfully. >> so it is a deterrent but then it's not a deteshlt and then is a deterrent again.
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>> this morning we tried again. >> thofbl say strong message that's out there which is if you're coming we're simply enforcing the law. if you're coming illegally as an adult, crossing the border illegally, then you'll be prosecuted. >> kristen welker was part of a gag will on the white house north lawn driveway. she's at the white house now. kristen, you and i and our colleagues in the white house over at the department of security who cover that beat have been digging in trying to find out more about what's happening behind the scenes. the impression i keep getting is that the president seems dug in. the administration seems dug in on this. and at this point it's going to be a full frontal battle, you could say, on trying to get their messaging out here. they seem to think this is a messaging issue. is that fair? >> reporter: i think you're absolutely right. this is donald trump, what he does best, to dig in on a tough fight. we're watching that unfold, hallie, in realtime. and today again on twitter, let me read you ythe president's
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latest messaging pointing the finger at democrats. this is what he has consistently done. one of his latest tweets, democrats are the problem. they don't care about crime and want illegal immigrants no matter how bad they may be to pour in and i fest our country like ms-13. that's a gang. they can't win on their terrible policies so so they view them as potential voters. little bit of a fact check to go back everything to you've been mapping out. it's a trump administration policy, these zero tolerance policy that's prompting these family separations. however, the president trying to make the broader point, i wouldn't need to do that if the democrats would change the overall law. that's one part of his messaging today, hallie. another tweeted it r very firm, reminiscent of the campaign trail simply saying if you don't have borders you don't have a country. and then this good germany, going back to the talking point we saw yesterday on germany crime and crime support 10% plus. officials don't want to report
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on these crimes since migrants were accepted. other countries are even worse. be smart, america. another fact check because the reality is according to officials in germany, crime is down 10% in 2017 from the year prior. so a lot of messaging and sort of struggling to get on the same page here at the white house. the attorney general also struggling when asked about some of the comparisons that have been made to those japanese internment camps and nazi camps. take a listen to how he struggled to answer that. >> nazi germany, concentration camps, human rights violation, laura bush has weighed in, michelle obama, all the first ladies going back to eleanor roosevelt. general sessions, what's going on here? >> well, it's a real exaggeration. of course no nazi germany they were keeping the jews from leaving the country. >> raising eyebrows by somehow trying to find the nuanced
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argument there. i can tell you that mercedes reiterated, she said those comparisons are exaggerated. >> kristen welker were we have quite a day ahead of us. president trump while kristen was speaking tweeted again as i bring in now from houston natalya, the criminal juts justice reform program director with the texas civil rights projected as well as senior washington correspondent anna palmer and national politico reporter jonathan allen. the president tweeted we must always arrest people coming into our country illegally. and of the 12,000 children currently being detained 10,000 are being sent by their parents on a dangerous trip. only 2,000 are with their parents trying to enter our country illegally. the president has those numbers correct. roughly 10,000 of these kids are unaccompanied minors, they cross the border without their parents. but those 2,000 cross with families members. and now are not with their parents. and those are the stories that you're hearing about. those are the things when you
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listen to that audio that we played at the top of the show and you see some of these iminch has. natalya, what has to happen at this point? because the president, in addition to what he just did, is tweeting that we must change the laws. it's up to democrats. we said it again and again, the president could end this in five minutes. >> the president could end this in five seconds. what has to happen right now is that the president needs to rescind that policy and parents need to stop being separated from their children. it's absolutely a manufactured humanitarian crisis that needs to stop. >> john and anna, one of the comments that we get, so obviously we've been covering this on this program for a long time. we've been covering it very heavily over the last 72, 96 hours or so and one of the comments that people respond with is if these people are entering the country illegally, why have you had it be very different for these immigrants, these migrants coming into this country than it is for somebody who commits a crime in the united states and gets separated
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from their children. you can see what some viewers are saying about this story. what's your response to those folks? what's your message to people who don't understand what's happening here? i think that we tried to lay that out and say they're coming from horrific circumstances and are willing to take that risk. >> the children are not to blame here and that's something that's getting lost in this dialogue when the administration tries to defend the position of its policy. this is unprecedented and the children are being traumatized by being separated from their parents. and so that needs to be considered. this was not done before and we know from audio that was released yesterday and from even hearing from the parents themselves that the children are really suffering as a result of this. they're coming with their parents. they're being separated from their parents. they don't know what is coming next and they're not being told.
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>> secretary nielsen, to your point were she pushed back and said this happened under former president obama, former president bush. we went back and looked at some of the stats, if you guys want to jump in here, in much, much, much lower numbers. i mean there are was not at all, the rate that this is happening is far, far higher than what it was in previous administration. >> it wasn't the policy in the past to separate families. and this, as we've heard from administration officials over the course of the last several months, has actually been an intentional policy to separate children from their parents so that other parents willing disraged from sending their children, which is not working and in the legislative context to get more leverage for president trump to get his policy through. and now he's backing off of that policy because he realizes how terrible the images are. that's not me speak, that's speaking to republican members of congress and strategists.
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>> secretary nielsen, that's not the only thing she said. ways in the briefing room, didn't get called on, my colleague kristen welker did. she talked about, for example, whose fault this is and who can fix it. >> congress and the courts created this problem and congress alone can fix it. this administration did not create a policy of separating families at the border. >> okay, that's not true. president could stop this today. congress can also take action but they don't have to because, again there is something the president controls. secretary nielsen also talked about the messaging here. listen. >> are you intendingtor parents to be separated from their children? are you intending to send a message? >> i find that offensive. no, because why would i ever create a poll say that purposely does that? >> rhetorical question but other administration officials have answered it by saying in order to deter people from crossing the border illegally as other
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administration officials around her have said. nielsen also talked about the coverage of this. >> reporter: have you seen the photos of children in cages? have you heard the audio clip of these children wailing that just came out today? >> i have not seen something that came out today, but i have been to detention centers. and, again, i would reference you to our standards, i would reference you to the care provided, not just by the department of homeland security, but by the department of health and human service when's they get to hhs. >> not clear why secretary nielsen has not seen the photos that her own administration has released but i can tell you this when the this she said she visited detention facilities, we have learned that she visited detention facilities twice. one happened in the middle of march in the was outside san diego, california. that was prior to the zero tolerance being in place. she did visit a facility after this policy was in place, 19 days ago, june 1st she did a tour of port detention
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facilities in arizona. that's 72-hour hold fa sthalt does not hold children. just to be clear on the facts. there is a messaging issue here and they're messaging. there's a call at the department of homeland security, our colleagues are on '. i'm told there are no major headlines. so farther ticking through statistics and numbers to try to combat what they believe is misinformation. >> i think two things. one, what you really see is president trump doing the blame game. he gets into a box and is he trying to divert any of this issue to congress, to democrats whether clearly it's a problem of his own making. the second thing i would say is i spoke yesterday with the hhs secretary under obama. she said the real issue is they have chosen to charge these people cross the boarder in a criminal matter instead of a civil matter. if it was civil the children would not be taken away, it's not a catch and release they get
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to stay in the country forever, they have to go back to where they are and they go and wait out till the civil proceedings go forward. >> there's prosecutorial discretion and that's what the trump administration is they're choosing to prosecute criminally instead of civilly. their argument is that you don't know -- they don't know where they blof these undocumented immigrants go once they're put in the civil system. they believe that by prosecuting criminally there's a better tracking. >> but there are any number of ways other than holding people in facilities to figure out where they are. upcan do gps tracking, basically an anc willing bracelet. you can do frequent check-ins with them and there are any number of ways do this. not everybody that's on parole in this country is locked up. all the people who parole are not locked up. people awaiting trial in this country and unless they're paul man for the and anger the judge generally speaking are awaiting trial outside of a jail cell. >> what you're looking at right now is what we call government handout video. this is video that's been provided to news agencies via
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the administration because cameras when reporters went in to take a look at these facilities were not allowed in. we're going to take a quick break here. i appreciate you being on. i'm going to ask anna and jonathan to stand by because we want to get into how this administration is tracking kids, how president trump's defending his policies to the republicans on the hill who are furious. republicans on the hill who are angry. we're heading there next. island anymore. [ roar ] [ heavy breathing ] [ scream ] rated pg-13. at&t provides edge-to-edge intelligence, covering virtually every part of your manufacturing business. & so this won't happen. because you've made sure this sensor and this machine are integrated. & she can talk to him, & yes... atta, boy. some people assign genders to machines. and you can be sure you won't have any problems. except for the daily theft of your danish. not cool! at&t provides edge to edge intelligence.
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so later on this afternoon president trump will head over to capitol hill where there is some serious backlash from members of his own party on this policy of separating parents from children when parents illegally cross the border. >> secretary nielsen said today that congress alone has the -- >> that is not the case, other weiss h wise how could the previous to administrations rejected this approach? that's amazing that she said that. >> as the backlash builds, so does the number of children being held in these facilities. in a six-week period, nearly 2000 kids have been separated from their parents and are now in the custody of health and human services. since october more than 2,700 minors have been separated from their parents, that's an average
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of 45 children a day who have been taken from their parents and put into a detention facility. garrett, it's not just these numbers but it's the human faces, the sounds that we hear from the kids in these facilities that seem to be striking a cord with lawmakers. i yrs that just the last couple minutes you have new information about what one senator's trying to do here, right? a close ally of the white house? >> reporter: yeah, hallie, it's interesting. you talk about those images and those horror stories and thortds things that are spragt close allies of the president from this policy. that's what we're seeing here with this new development. just a few minutes ago, oren hatch, sooun senior republican from utah told reporters that intends to circulate a letter among senators, he wants signatures from both parties and he wants to be send it to the attorney general jeff sessions calling for a moratorium on these border separations with this important caveat. a moratorium until congress can address this issue. what this does to me, what this says to me from a political
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perspective, this is oren hatch trying to give the white house a graceful way out of a mess that they have created by saying congress will do this at some uncertain time at the future, but can we get out of this mess of separating children at the borders while we have a chance to work ton? a -- on it. it's the kind of thing you might expect an ally of the white house who disagrees with this policy as much as anybody else. it will be very interrogatory see how many signatures this can pick up. i suspect it could get a great deal of support from both chambers if they're inclined to circulate it on the house side too. >> let's talk texas. because you have the senators from that very red state coming out now seeming to assess the political connotation that would try to contain that mess that the white house created. i think we have sound bites here with cruz and cornyn. walk through what this piece of
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legislation would do with the remind, he we can't say it enough, congress could pass this cruz bill, the president could also just not let this happen anymore. he could stop all of this, the separation of kids and their families. tell us what senator cruz wants to do. >> reporter: right. so, again, with that caveat, as you just mentioned, there's an administration solution to this that could happen like that with a phone call. but what you are seeing is congress, particularly someone like ted cruz who by the sway in an election year and this is a very, very sensitive issue on the border needs to be in the game here in terms of finding a solution. and his bill would block these separations at the border, but the sort of carrot here for conservatives, this would add money, judge, prosecutors, add facilities at the border so they can work through this backlog of amnesty -- yeah, of amnesty claims, work through this backlog of issues at the border to address this from a law enforcement side. so, again there is another one of these things that, yeah, we want tend to this family separation policy right now, but how can we address these broader
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issues at the border in the context that may be able to get some support? that's one that probably a half a dozen pieces of legislation that either already exist or are being wrib tten up and being kicked around. they are prepared to act in some capacity if they don't solve this. i want to play for you a bite i got from tennessee, another reasonable ally on the white house on most issues pushing back at this idea that this is congress's problem at all. listen. >> the white house could change it in five minutes and it should. it's a mistake, it's a change in policy by this administration separating especially very small children from their parents at the border is not something we should do. so the white house should change the policy and the president should work with congress and then we should pass legislation which i voted for before which would secure the border and create a status for people
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illegally here and deal with the humanitarian policy toward what happens to -- >> reporter: and the legislation thattese he's talking about here, this is an important piece of context, is that senate compromised immigration bill that got 54 votes when it needed 60. it's important to remember every time the president says democrats are being oklahoma obstructionist, they won't vote for things to address these bord border issues, basically every democrat vote noord icbm. the president's preferred bill got only 39 votes. did he not have the support of republicans to pass an immigration solution. when you hear the president say or tweet this is something that democrats don't want to address, that's not true and there are votes on the record that prove it. >> garrett headache, goaake, go there. i want to talk about what you'll see later on in the show. we're waiting for white house director mike mark short to join us. this that had been set to happen there are was a conflict.
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china. specifically threatening those new tariffs on nearly all of china's products sent to the u.s., unless beijing agrees to some major concessions. is yet another escalation in a trade war. we're keeping an eye on the markets. we're also keeping an eye on what's happening in north korea because kim jong-un is in china for talks with leaders. this is kim's third visit there in less than three months. it comes just after a week after that historic summit in sing singapore. they have not released any details about the trip but that's interesting given what happened the last two times kim visited beijing. we want to take you back home here in texas where they're saying the migrant issue is a kri crisis. stephanie ruhle is there and i think one of the issues is why these migrants are coming to the united states looking to cross the border in the first place. it's because of what's happening in places like guatemala, places in central america like honduras
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where they're struggling with crime, gang violence, with drang russ conditions for their families. >> and i've spoken to people here on the ground even in the last day who have said they're part of the community and the migrant situation is an issue but it's not a crisis. and here in the valley there's lots of jobs go around. so when the president says these migrants have stolen american jobs, i ask the question where because at the same time we have full employment and the president says it's a great jobs picture. and here we are at ground zero and people say many of these migrants have taken jobs that americans didn't want. it's why they've had more construction and service jobs. if you approach this from a sense of unity, many are saying these detention centers, you've got the dhs, you know, writing checks for $10 million to private essentially pris sons to put these centers up. hallie, if you wanted to address incoming equality or suffering americans, take that money and drop it in any rural community to help them rise. but when you talk to people here
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on the ground they're saying this san issue, not a crisis. much like how we didn't get the funding for the border wall because the border wall solves nothing. >> stephanie ruhle on the ground there in mccallen, sx. thanks. i want to bring in now white house director mark short who is joining you us on the white house lawn with the lawnmower behind you. thank you for making this work i know you had to do some juggling. let me start off there's a lot to talk about with the president going to the hill today, tons of talk about immigration and a lot of talk about this policy of separating kids from parents. >> yeah. >> is that policy meant to be a deterrent or not? >> hallie, i don't think it's so much meant to be a deterrent it's just trying to enforce a law. and let me go back and explain this because i know there's a lot of misinformation on this so bear with me for one second. 1997 hhs worked with ins on a deal that says half 48 hours children have to be hand or to
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hhs and then within 20 days they're to be released from detention centers. 2008 that is codified into law for very good intentions. in many case, young children were being used for sex trafficking and so there was a sense that, look, the faster we can get them into faster fostos the better for those children. but it was used as a way to get across the border. keep in mind a couple things. children and parents that come into ports of entry are not separated when they seek asylum. parents and children coming across illegally are separated because there are two choices, one is to separate and prosecute the parent, the other is because you're required by law to release them within 20 days, you can just release them into the american society and hope they come back for court date. our stats show that 90% never come back for a court date. so we have basically two choices. release them into american society and they never show up for court, or separate and prosecute the parent but take care of the children in foster
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care. so that, i think there's a lot that's been caught newspaper this and it's finally being brought to light of the challenges that congress has created for an administration to try to execute a poll. >> i i want to give you the chance to make your argument and talk about the administration's perspective here. solet me tick through a couple of things. when you look. statistics the first five months 191 kids were believed to be traveling weigh difficulties who were not their patience. there were 2,000 plus kids separated from their parents currently being detained. is the argument, then, that the other 1800 kids are simply the price that is paid for trying to stop people from crossing the border illegally? is that just the price that this country has to pay? >> no. no, that's not the case we're making, hallie. we are concerned about those that be being used as pawns to get across the border. but, again, those that are coming here and seeking asylum and come to a port of entry are protect and kept with their family. it's those that are coming here illegally. and the choice is do you release them and say, hey, show up for a few fewer court date. we have so few immigration
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judges because congress hasn't given us the funding that your court date is six months off. we know fra from data 90% never show up. >> why is that any different from people who are released on parole who are expected to show up, citizens of this country? >> hallie, think there's a difference between whether or not you're a citizen or noncitizen. but i think that in is kas of parole in many cases those actually move more expeditiously than what we're facing on the border because we do not have enough immigration judges that can get tho these cases. >> you've made the legal case, you've talked about where you believe this case is from a legal perspective. let me ask you as a human person, just morally as a just person who lives on this planet are you comfortable with the things that you see and the things that you hear? >> hallie, none of us is. we don't like the situation. >> why not stop it? >> because -- >> the president could put a pause on this while congress -- >> wait a second. >> why doesn't he do that. no, no, i'm curious. >> if congress gave us actually the tools actually to adjudicate
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it. they have not done that. you say give a pause. but the law says in the ninth circuit ruled that within 20 days you must release the children if the if you're keeping the children, you're releasing the whole family. >> we are talked about the 97 and 2018 laws that have been in place. but if you don't like this, if the president is not comfortable with this, he could stop this from happening in five minutes. he could. >> hallie -- >> we doesn't he do that. >> we have made the case to congress not just now but for the last 18 months to say in any immigration bill include a resolution to the floor of the settlement. it is in the house bills that the president is going to talk to the house about today is does it provide a solution to this. that's what we've been asking for. >> being able to find some sort of legislative fix, i want to make sure that i'm paraphrasing you correctly, being able to find a long-term legislative fix is more important to this administration than the kids who are being separated from their parents on the border? >> no, hall. >> i is that fair? >> no, it's not. >> why not? >> because right now you're baik basically saying -- >> it seems to be what you're saying. >> listen to me.
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you're saying put a pause on it, but the law still says that within 20 days you mut must release the children. so basically you're saying if if you're going to keep them together then you're releasing the parents and children and basically all that does is continue more in cycle of encouraging people to bring families across the border illegally. if you're going 0 give us the tools to repeal that 20-day limit then, yes, question put a pause on. but until you do that, there's not a choice. you have a choice of separating them and prosecuting the parents for brarking the laws the way they entered the country, or you can release them into the american society, which is what the last administration did. and data showed 90% never show up for their court date so therefore you're not actually securing the borders of our country. >> that's a false choice, right? you're putting a binary in place that doesn't actually exist because there is another option. >> it does exist. >> but wait a second. there would be another option. this is not from me, this is from the reporting you've done from people you've talked to on capitol hill, people i know you talk to. republican lawmakers who are furious who say there's another option, that's is for the
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president to stop this president while they work on a fix. why is that not an option? >> because the law still stands that says 20 days, the ninth circuit says you have to release the children within 20 days. that is not being fixed. you can't just pews it aause it fix that piece of it. what you said is right, it's a binary choice, that's the dilemma that we face. >> that's not what i said. but when you talk about this policy potentially being a deterrent, that's what sessions has talked about, kelly has talked about, it seems like you don't want to go that far to say this isn't a der terterrent. if it's not a deterrent, it's not working based on what we've seen over the last six weeks. what do you put plug? >> we are happy to change the policy when congress gives us the tools to do it. that's what we're asking for if the. >> we're not using children as pawns in a deterrent game. >> you said the word deterrent a
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couple minutes ago. >> what eye am sayii am saying gives us 20 days. there's no way currently with the resources that there are to adjudicate these cases in 20 days. if they give us additional resources that's one way or repeal the floor of settlement that was codified in the law of 2008, that's another option. >> i understand what you're talking about when it comes to the rules and laws that are in place. again, pulling back more broadly, you have heard, assume you've heard the audio of the kids that are operaseparated fr their parents crying. does that not disturb you? >> of course it did. >> are you comfortable with thousand administration will be judged? >> i'm not said no one is comfortable with this. this not a poll say that people are excited about. the reality is -- >> then you don't have to make it happen. you don't have to keep going with it. >> no. you keep saying that. but the other choice is -- >> it's a fact, mark, you know that that is. >> no, no. >> but there are reasons on the
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hill -- >> you're not listening. >> lamar leachalexander was jus this show and saying he could change this in five minutes are the you saying the senator is wrong? >> i'm saying if you change it in five minutes you're letting parents and children go because you can't adjudicate within 20 days. that's what the previous administration does d. >> would you then be protecting some of these kids that you yourself just said you're concerned about. >> hallie, what you're only doing then, what you're missing in that protection you're encouraging more smugglers to say let's push parents and children across the border and not go to ports of entry and as they continue to be smuggled many of these young children are harmed, sexually abused and it's not safe for any of them. so you say that that's protecting them, i'm not sure that's what i buy. >> i know you didn't get a chance to watch of the top of the show when we were down across the border speaking with families including one mom who came over from honor dur ris and she specifically asked about this policy. this mom said to her her this is so bad where she is, the gang
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violence, the drugs, the danger that her family is in that she is willing to take that troisk try to come across the border. do you have empathy with migrants -- >> absolutely. >> -- who are speaking a better life. >> of course. >> for parents who are being separated from their kids along the border? >> come on, absolutely, of course. that's what this country was founded on. >> is that not more important to you. >> wait a second. >> no, no. >> hallie yes, i'm answering your question. >> is that more important to you. >> of course it is. >> than -- >> but at the same time yew need to have laws that secure your border. that's why if they come in through port of entry they'll be connect and kept together. they come in together they'll be given that asylum. >> you know there's backdoors at the port of entry. >> of course. and we've continually asked congress for resources to unclog that backlog. >> it the president support senator cruz's legislation? >> that's legislation that we're going to look at. as you notice you focussed on one piece of that legislation
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but you haven't acc noblinged what he's also doing is providing us with the judges to help these cases get adjudicated more rapidly. >> two more very quick questions for you because i know you have to go. does it white house at least acknowledge the president could in fact pull back his zero tolerance policy? that's just a fact do you acknowledge that? >> i've acknowledge tlrd two choices. it's a binary choice. the other option is to let the families go into america and never show back up for a court date. so that is the other choice, that's what the previous administration chose to do. >> you are currently the white house director of legislative affairs. do you expect to say in that role through the midterms? >> hallie, those conversations will be between me and the president about the right time. i'm honored to be here and i serve at his pleasure. >> mark short, i prerkts presht you' -- appreciate you coming on the show. will you come back? >> anytime, hallie. >> thank you, mark. we are once again by the way we've been playing a little bit of that government-provided
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video that's showing what it's like for kids who are inside some of these border detention facilities. our cameras not allowed in, but some people have been trying to get a sense of this, including one law maker who has been inside one of these processing centers. he joins us live next. i was really surprised that i wasn't finding all of these germans in my tree. i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. the big surprise was we're not german at all. 52% of my dna comes from scotland and ireland. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt. ancestry has many paths to discovering your story. get started for free at ancestry.com.
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it's heartbreaking to see all these trees dying. what guides me is ensuring that the public is going to be safer and that these forests can be sustained and enjoyed by the community in the future. on political more and more democrats are asking for homeland security to resign. you have at least ten democrats calling on her to step down after she said congress alone
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can fix what we're seeing happen on the border. earlier this hour, a congressman of maryland had this to say while you were watching this program. >> we sent letter after letter, letter after letter asking these committees to investigate the trump administration's policy which is now resulting in child internment camps said. that's what i said, child internment camps, but we have got no response. look, even if you believe people are in our country illegally and have no valid asylum claims in their own country, even if you believe immigration should be halted entirely, we all should be able to agree that in the united states of america we will
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not intentionally separate children from their parents. we will not do that. we are better than that. we are so much better. >> very emotional, elijah cummings there. i am joined we a congressman in new mexico. i understand you've visited one of these facilities, detention facilities. can you tell us what you saw and heard? >> yes. yesterday several colleagues and myself were down in brownsville, texas. we went to visit some of these children and went to one of the facilities -- two of the facilities. one of the facilities, especially, we had a chance to meet baby roger and baby liam. one eight or nine months old. the other a year old, separated from their mom and families. you know, it's emotional when you go and see these kids, and then to hear the audio released from one of the dhs detention and holding facilities with
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children screaming and someone mocking them in the background, and then other images where children are being held in cages? the president needs to pick up the phone and stop this immediately, but the president, if he's not going to do that, he should have the courage and the heart to go and visit these children, these babies. maybe hold one in his arms and maybe it'll fix something in him, but there's no reason the president can't stop this immediately. >> i want to play you what we've just heard from a couple of high profile republicans. senators lindsey graham and orn hatch. i want to get your reaction to what they had to say. >> i don't think anything is -- the goal is to deter people from coming here illegally without having a pathway to do it legally. the goal is to get congress to fix the problem. and any time you're dividing the public here at home, you're not deterring anything. >> it's not american to do this. we're for families and children,
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and for community together. and this is splitting families apart. we'd like to say that end. >> congressman, that's your colleague on the other side of the aisle on capitol hill. as you heard from mark short representing the white house on this program a couple moments ago, they seem very dug in on the idea that congress needs to change the laws and the president is not going to back down. what argument do you believe is going to be effective to him? do you believe that republicans speaking out is going to make a difference this time? >> look, i want to encourage all my republican colleagues to make sure they're reaching out to the president and mr. short, and mr. cally and make sure they're sharing these concerns that this is un-american, that, look, putting children in cages and separates from their moms is not american, and that's not what we should be doing to the united states. no one should be doing that. but look, mr. short should take a trip down. maybe he can encourage the president to talk to these
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children. this has to stop. i mean, there's no way around it. >> congressman, while i was in that interview, i received a message from a member of the administration. you know, i covered the white house during my other day job. their argument was the media believe is conflating some of these issues. the line is so 0% prosecution is a new policy. family separation policy is not new. that it's the same as past administrations. we talked about already, former presidents obama and bush and the low numbers, this is a higher rate of family separation now, and it's a result of the 100% prosecution policy. do you believe the president has it within his authority to reverse that policy? >> if the president is truly in charge, there's nothing that stops him from picking up the phone, calling mr. sessions, calling secretary nielsen and demanding this stop immediately. as i said yesterday, if the president is not in charge, maybe he should check in with
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steve bannon and get permission. this has to stop. this is ridiculous. there's got to be a little bit of love in that heart, and mr. president, if you're watching and listening like i know you do, pick up the phone and stop this. >> congressman, thank you very much for joining us on this program. i appreciate it. final thoughts specifically on this idea that the administration is pushing, i'm hearing from the messaging piece of this, and saying, well, 100% prosecution is the policy, but family separation isn't new. >> i think it's going to ring hollow on capitol hill. i don't think you're going to see them step pack because of that kind of an argument. >> is there an option that satisfies everybody? talking about the idea that the laws have to change. right? there's no possibility of wiggle room coming from the white house director of legislative affairs. is there something that can be done that can both satisfy republicans and critics saying this is not american, separating
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kids and families is not american, but also be able to deal with some of the legal issues that the administration is very fired up about? >> i think that's what ted cruz is aiming at. whether it's able to get democrats on board with adding administrative judges on the border or not. judges appointed by president trump on the border. that's another question. i think narrowly targeted legislation wouldn't satisfy everybody but would probably satisfy most demands. again -- >> anna is shaking her head. >> so tough. i think hatch's letter is probably his way out. >> garrett haake called it a graceful exit for president trump. >> i think it's a lifeline. i think legislation on immigration is so tough. >> anna and jonathan, thank you for coming on the show during another busy morning. we want you to know a couple of things today. stephanie ruhle is picking up the coverage in a minute from texas. at 1:00, eastern craig melvin
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anchored live. at 8:00 eastern chris hayes is going all in as well as the last word with lawrence o'donnell live from texas tonight at 10:00 eastern. we end with a photo of the week that tells a story. for it we're staying in texas for this story. you're looking at a terrified mom own her son. they're looking for asylum. the bright light is coming from u.s. border patrol. they have come from honduras. they made it to mexico. they rafted across the rio grand river. potentially they could be separated. they know their past in the countries where they came. the photographer here, john moore. that does it for this hour. right now stephanie ruhle down in texas. >> hi, hallie.
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hello, everyone. i'm stephanie ruhle. i'm live in texas. my part lner ali velshi is off let. it's tuesday, june 19th. let's try to get smarter. >> growing outrage. you wanted bipartisanship, you got it. demanding the trump administration end the policy of separating migrant kids from their parents here at the border. >> we did, of course, present a tape recording of exactly how those kids feel. it's exactly what you would expect. despair, shock -- >> at midnight they wake you up. >> to do what? >> translator: to count everyone in the cells. >> when we were in the cells yesterday, we had women asking

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