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hello, everyone. i'm stephanie ruhle. i'm live in texas. my part lner ali velshi is off let. it's tuesday, june 19th. let's try to get smarter. >> growing outrage. you wanted bipartisanship, you got it. demanding the trump administration end the policy of separating migrant kids from their parents here at the border. >> we did, of course, present a tape recording of exactly how those kids feel. it's exactly what you would expect. despair, shock -- >> at midnight they wake you up. >> to do what? >> translator: to count everyone in the cells. >> when we were in the cells yesterday, we had women asking us do you know why this bracelet is on me?
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the ankle brace. they have so little information. >> we visited ten adults detained in the houston area. these parents had been detained and had been separated from their children sometime between may 23rd and may 25th. not a single parent had had any contact or ability to speak on the phone with their child, and only one parent, in fact, had any idea of even what state their child was located in. >> to what end are you taking the children away from the parents? >> yes. so the intent of zero tolerance is to deter this type of activity. >> hopefully people will get the message and come through the border at the port of entry and not break across the border unlawfully. >> obviously this is a strong message that's out there which is if you're coming and we're simply enforcing the law, if you're coming illegally as an adult, crossing the border illegally, then you will be
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prosecuted. >> congress and the courts created this problem and congress alone can fix it. this administration did not create a policy of separating families at the border. it's not a policy. our policy at dhs is to do what we're sworn to do which is enforce the law. >> why is the government only releasing the images of the boys being held. where the girls? >> i don't know. i'm not familiar with these particular images. >> i say it's very strongly the democrats' fault. >> when the president is saying this is all on the democrats, it's their law, that's not true. >> the fact is the administration has the authority to fix it immediately without legislation. >> it is still a mess, and we as compassionate americans absolutely detest watching families being pulled apart. >> all of us seeing these images of children being pulled away from moms and dads in tears, we're horrified.
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this has to stop. and we can keep the families together while these cases are pending. >> we are live in texas this morning in front of a centralized processing center. it's one of the places where the trump administration's policy of separating families is sparking a lot of attention and many say of crisis. early this morning my colleague chris hayes pointed something out. it stuck with me. there is an obvious through line connecting the worse moments and policies of this administration. think about it. the travel ban. charlottesville, handling of puerto rico, and family separation at the border. these are policies targeting those who are considered outsiders by much of the president's base. this is what has so many people concerned. think about it. and the president's reaction, charlottesville, the travel ban, puerto rico, and now this. all policies that at the end of the day serve no one, solve nothing. this morning nearly half of the country's attorneys general are signing onto a letter from the
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new mexico ag demanding the administration end the family separation policy saying it puts children in increased danger. and according to "the washington post," more than 2300 children were separated from their parents in the last month. many came when their parents illegally entered the united states. others when their parents claimed asylum which is not a crime. even for those who entered unlawfully, therkd not be sentenced to what many experts agree amounts to abuse. damaging their development and today we have a recording that is said to be taken inside one of the detention centers. nbc news has not independently verified the recording. it paints the picture of children in clear and emotional distress. we want you to hear it. it's difficult to get through.
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border security is important. following the law is important. creating that outcome, i can't understand it. homeland security secretary flew back from new orleans to speak specifically to reporters and had a sharp we re response when asked about the motive behind the separations. >> are you intended for parents to be separating from their children in are you intending to send a message? >> i find that offensive. no. why would i create a policy that purposely does that? >> i could say i find it offensive to hear young
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children -- that girl sounded like she was less than ten crying desperately. to me, that's offensive. i guess secretary nielsen and i are different kinds of girls. others don't find it offensive at all, like the attorney general. >> so yes, hopefully people will get the message and come through the border at the port of entry and not break across the border unlawfully. >> and her old boss, the former homeland security secretary. >> if you get some young kids who are coming in, manage to sneak into the united states with their parents, our department of homeland security personnel going to separate the children from their moms and dads? >> yes, i am considered in order to deter more movement along this terribly dangerous network, i am considering exactly that. >> i don't get it. if it's a great policy and yours, own it. he defended it as recently as last month telling npr it would
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be a tough deterrent. we know steven miller told "the new york times" that this decision by the administration was put out to send a message. again, what i don't understand, all of these mixed messages coming from the administration. if this is your policy, which it is, take credit for it. joining me now, msnbc jacob soef j rov. thank you. without you, we wouldn't know most of all we've learned in the last week. you've been spending this time on the border. secretary nielsen has said go to the ports of entry. if you go to the port of entry, you're doing nothing illegal. everything should be fine. why aren't people just doing that? >> because you can't always get in when you show up at the port of entry. there's a massive backlog. there was a caravan with hundreds of people backed up. i've seen people at the ports of entry, people waiting on bridges for days if not weeks.
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if not longer than that. i met a family in arizona turned away five days in a row. that's what makes people think i'm just going to come here. i'm going to walk cross the river and turn myself into a border patrol agent, and then i'm just going to end up here in this processing center and get through the process. >> are they willing to do that because what they're fleeing is so awful? and do they realize what they're in for? the idea is once they realize their kids are ripped away, they're going to stop trying to come here. >> i think the calculation from the people, these are some of the most desperate people you can imagine. the violence they're fleeing is worse in their mind than having to sit in a detention center ultimately and able to get out and to be able to seek asylum. one thing i want to say, yesterday the secretary of homeland security said she had been to detention centered. we found out today from our colleagues, she has never been inside this facility that we're
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standing outside of right now. this is the epicenter of family separations. it's where the cages are and the blankets we saw, the mattresses on the floor, and the person in charge of implementing this policy has never stepped foot inside that building. >> when you've been inside the buildings, how have you seen kids? kristen welker has nielsen yesterday, where are the girls. the video has only shown us junior highish boys. have you seen any girls? >> there are girls and pois together inside here. the question is what happens to them once they leave this facility if they're separated from their children. the only hhs facilities, the one i was in brownsville has 1500 boys 10 to 17. the other one was smaller with boys. they haven't shown us, no pictures, no video, no access to any shelters with girls or toddlers. where are the girls and toddlers? i texted again and said when are we going to get access and
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pictures? they say hopefully sometime this week. >> when did the policy start and can we measure if it's working? if the goal, everyone says a different story if it's a deterrent or not. if the goal is to deter people from trying to cross the border, do we know if it's working? >> it's not working yet. the chief told me at a press conference on sunday, i'll ask him again when i see him later today. we didn't see anybody crossing this morning, but i know the cbs news saw somebody crossing moments ago. they're still coming here because they have no other option in their mind's eye. homeland security says you got to ask the state department about messaging to central and south america if they're telling people not come. they could have already left. but that -- we just don't know the answer to that yet. >> maybe they have nothing to go back for if they're fleeing for
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their lives. we're going to go across the border. what are you hearing? i know the message the attorney general sent, at least to come in the white house, they're trying to say don't come. do people hear that? >> reporter: i want to talk to these mothers about what they are thinking, what they're feeling waiting out here in this shelter which is the last stop before crossing over to the u.s. sh woman -- this woman has her son who is severen years old. will you still try to koz to the united states even though you know they're separating children? >> translator: i don't know what it is, she says. >> tell me about where you're fleeing from in your country. i want to understand what you're going through. >> translator: i'm fleeing violence. i'm fleeing the gangs.
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they are murdering people. they are gangs. we don't know if they're cops. we don't have any sense of safety. >> reporter: this mother is 20 -something. she'ser she's terrified. her 7-year-old witnessed somebody get murdered on a building. >> translator: there is no future for our children. >> reporter: you were telling me before, if your country was safe, you would have stayed there? >> translator: my country would be okay, i would be there happily with my child. i would not try to cross. everything we have gone through to even be here. there's a lot of mothers like me who are afraid to speak about what they endure on this journey
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just even coming here. >> reporter: i want to talk to another mother here we interviewed before. i want to get to their story of what they're dealing with in honduras. the countries are the murder capital of the world in different years. you are fleeing violence in honduras. what happened to your own family? >> translator: it's not been easy to get here. the journey is extremely difficult. we didn't come here because we wanted to. we are fleeing violence. our family is threatened. if we go back to honduras, it will be my children's life. they want my child to pay a sort of death toll. her child is actually over here.
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i want to get you into this conversation. what happened to you? what did these gangs do to you? >> translator: they burned my backpack in school. because they wanted me to keep paying them every time i went to school. they were telling me to sell drugs with them. >> reporter: you tried to cross. you say you tried to seek asylum but were turned back. are you going to try to do that even though you could be separated from your four children here? >> translator: yes, i will cross. i want a future for my kids. >> reporter: thank you so much. stephanie, to put this into perspective. there was a child migrant crisis in 2016. this is part of the same crisis, but the administration is rendering the children
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unaccompanied and their children are prosecuted. >> thank you so much. just on the other side of the border in mexico. here i am in texas. i want to bring in a man who knows this region well. the mayor, jim darling. i appreciate you coming down this morning. clearly relations with mexico and the migrant issue is a big one for you. so let's go back. when president trump presented the idea of the border wall, how did that sit with you in this community? >> i think the border wall itself, we have problems with that for land owner rights and those things. and i don't think it affected a relationship with mexico until he said they're going to pay for it. and then we had a backlash not only worried about what the wall is going to do with our communities but resentment in mexico affecting our visitors and tourism. we're very strong on tourism. that had a negative effect on our economy. >> we need border security and the wall wasn't a bad idea. here we are with a migrant
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situation. the people in the community are saying it's clearly an issue, but it's not a crisis. do you view it as a crisis? when i look at detention centers and mothers being separated from their children, i'm saying if it's not a crisis, why are we doing this? >> 2014 it became a crisis when president obama talked about immigration reform. the cartel said if you're not in the country when it comes, you're not getting in. the crisis is in central america. people think they're not going to come because of separation. we have tens and thousands of unaccompanied minors who go through a traumatic bypass through mexico with cartel influence. terrible stories. if they're not going to stop for that, they're not going to stop for this. i don't believe in it. i think it's ineffective and inhuma inhumane, but it's not going to affect the problem. they have to go to washington and they have to get together and do immigration reform.
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we've been talking about for four years in our area. this is not going to stop anything. >> if they're fleeing for their lives and coming to the but now we're putting the children in detention centers and separating them from their mothers, and to your point, it's inhumane. it doesn't make sense. who exactly does it serve? when i look at the detention centers and read that dhs is spending tens and millions of dollars, i think wow, if you drop tens and millions of dollars here and did something for the people here, that might have a better effect. >> it turned the immigration and people at the border into immigration officers. that's affected their operations. i always thought there should be social workers to help them instead of having law enforcement do it. that's been a particular problem. but i think this is what they say is trying to prevent people. if the journey doesn't prevent, this isn't going to. we have to run this until the
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president's staff figures out this is not stopping the flow, and even when you talk about immigration reform, that's going to make it come even more. >> one of the arguments to do this is that the president says these are criminals coming in, and we don't know that, but he also says the migrants, they're stealing our jobs. they're in your backyard. are they stealing jobs and are they making your community worse? >> we're a shrimping area. the shrimping fleet was hurt because we didn't have enough people to work from mexico. >> you need more to work on your boats? >> we do, absolutely. i know it's a stopgap. it's not going to do anything but probably increase the flow because the closer you get to immigration reform, people are going to be in the country before it happens. >> then from here where you're saying we need immigrants to fill jobs and these people aren't hurting your community, what is the solution or what do you say when you look at these detention centers? >> it takes some of the money we need to do foreign policy in
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central america. the drug cartels have more money than the government. they spend more money on border security. we realize that you can do these little things and rhetoric doesn't help. we need to restore the order of law. by the way, that's nafta going across there. restore the order of law in central america and help the governments do that, and build our economy to give them a reason not to come here. >> how concerned are you about the rhetoric between the united states and mexico? when you talk about trade, that affect people here in your town. this is where it happened. >> not only tourism, we have friends, relatives, business relationships, capital comes into our area. mexico is very important at the border and important to texas. i think texas recognizes that. we're getting ready for an election in mexico. that rhetoric is affecting who their president is going to be. >> what happens if mexico ends
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up with their version of trump? what are the registrations going to be between -- i mean, right here, this is ground zero. it matters most to this community. >> well, there will be a lot of tweeting going on that's not healthy. >> not healthy. it's got to be more than tweeting. mayor, thank you. i appreciate you having me. next, what happens to kids truly when they're separated from their parent and locked up? we're talking about long term issues children faced when they're treated like criminals. and if it doesn't solve anything, why are they doing it? we had long deployments in iraq. i'm really grateful that usaa was able to take care of my family while i was overseas serving. it was my very first car accident. we were hit from behind. i called usaa and the first thing they asked was 'are you ok?' they always thank you for your service, which is nice because as a spouse you serve too.
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welcome back. coming to you live from texas with special coverage of a crisis on the border. the separation of thousands of migrant children and their families. the american psychological association is urging president trump to end this policy. and you know who else is? a lot of republicans. in a letter to the president the apa writes families fleeing their homes are already under a tremendous amount of stress. sudden and unexpected family separation can add to the stress leading to emotional trauma in children. >> the long-term impacts of this type of trauma can affect their ability to learn. they could drop out of school. they could not do well at all in
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school. it puts them at risk of substance abuse. it puts them at risk for heart disease, cancer, other chronic long-term sdiseases. >> separation from parents and highly stressful situations disrupt the development of children's brains and place them at risk for short and long-term health problems. >> joining me now live here in texas is a reporter who covers immigration for "the monitor", and jennifer podcool. all right, you have been covering the rise and unaccompanied minors for over a year. why is this happening? >> two different things. 2014, unaccompanied minors coming that's separation there, the kids coming on their own, being put in detention
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facilities here in the valley, brownsville now in the memo from jeff sessions is further separation of children from families due to 100% prosecution of everyone who entered the country illegally. >> jennifer, walk us through. some make the argument if these people are fleeing for their lives, then when they cross the border, they should have to follow the law, and even if these detention centers are somewhat repressive, it's better than where they came from, and it has to be organized in some form or fashion. what is your take when people give you that response? >> sure. so detention is never in the best interest of a child. andly tell you that these families and children are flagging down officials and asking for us for protection. they have every incentive to comply with our judicial system. they're turning themselves in and asking us for protection.
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they don't need to be locked in a cage to comply. we need to hear their stories and make determinations about who needs protection in our country. >> so lorenzo, you've been covering this. a year ago when the children were not separated from their parents, it wasn't like when they made it through the border, they were racing through america, taking jobs, going to school. what did it look like? now as i'm look agent these massive facilities and children being detained, i'm saying what was it a year ago? >> i cover the federal courts here. you have a flip. it used to be you would get people sent for prosecution with a prior criminal history, thus, needing that additional time in custody, months maybe, now you're having a flip where people who are first-time entry are being separated even though it's a misdemeanor. and the separation is happening once they're transferred to the courthouse and the child is legally unaccompanied so they need to make a transfer to a facility at the orr.
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>> then jennifer, if you wanted to have a resolution that followed the letter of the law, but at the same time was compassionate, what would it look like? >> international law says you should never criminally prosecuter somebody asking for asylum. after world war ii, they said we're not going to prosecuter people because they didn't have the right papers. we understand they're fleeing for their lives. what we need to do -- >> but what does u.s. law mean? put international law aside. i want to put my hat on for the american who says i want you to follow u.s. law, and someone could apply for asylum, but there's a process. while the process is taking place, what should it look like? >> i think we need to flip it. first, we need to find out if people are eligible for asylum. that's the priority. and then we decide if we feel it's appropriate to use our resources to be doing misdemeanor prosecutions. we have limited criminal
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resources in this country, and we're prosecuting thousands of people for a misdemeanor when it's not necessary. >> lorenzo, you've been speaking to public defenders here. what are they telling you? >> the case load they had to begin with because we're in one of the busiest ses or thes, now this is a higher case load for each public defender and they're hearing more about the separations from those defendants because it's happening way more often than it used to, and that's what they're saying. they're overwhelmed. their case loads are leaving them little time to meet with their defendants and then you add in the idea that now they're being separated from their children, and there's no way for them to help them locate the children. the federal defender's office is having trouble getting the government to tell them where these kids are. >> jennifer, from an immigrant perspective, is this evidence that these migrants who are
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coming to the united states and seeking asylum are in some way hurting our communities? when we look at the jobs picture, we have full employment. i spoke to the mayor of the town who said we need the migrants to work on our shrimp boats. we hear narratives out there that these are criminals coming and gang members. the more people i speak to here, they're saying they're migrants looking for a better opportunity, and we have the opportunities here. >> exactly. i think there's a lot of evidence that talks about how our economy is stronger with immigration, and also communities are safer, that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes when they're here living in our communities. it's much better for us to process people, listen to their stories, so they can get on a path to some sort of legalization and citizenship so we know who they are and they can be integrated into our communities. >> lorenzo, you live here. is it a contentious relationship
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twe between texans and migrants? >> no. they're part of the community like everybody else. the overwhelming number of people who are here to make a better life for themselves to work is disproportionate to those people who are here to do bad acts and be involved in criminal activity. it's people who want to work and provide that better life for their families. >> maybe the most important part of the word community is that, unity. jennifer, thank you so much. lorenzo, thank you. i appreciate it. this is a thorny issue. when we come back the trump administration says family separation is necessary because smugglers and gak members are using kids to get inside the u.s. we'll break down all that hype. and right now a protest is underway in washington d.c. asking president trump to immediately stop separating families at the border. right there, these are live pictures. americans saying please, mr. president, stop this. and it's not just the protesters.
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welcome back. we are live from texas. kiersten nielsen, we've been saying her name a lot these days. she's justifying family separation by saying there's a huge jump in smugglers and gang members using kids unrelated to them to try to get inside the u.s. but i hope you're watching miss nielsen. for fact's sake, you need to know context. here is what secretary nielsen said at yesterday's white house briefing. >> in the last five months we've had 314% increase in adults and children arriving at the border fraudulently claiming to be a family unit. >> come on, now. "the washington post" points out this is actually a tiny fraction of the families apprehended during that time period. in 2017 there were 46 cases
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where people falsely claimed the children they were with were theirs. in the first five months of fiscal year 2018, there was 191 of these cases which is an increase of 315%. those numbers sound big, right? here's where the context couldn't be more important. in the first five months of this fiscal year, more than 31,000 families were an he rended at the border. wi if we know 191 of them were fraudulent, that's less than 1%. to put it another way, for every 1,000 families who are approached at the border at that time, only 6 involved are pretending to be a child's parent. that is 6 out of 1,000. 6 out of 1,000. it's like saying all homeless people must be drunks or broken out of an insane asylum. it's absurd. let's get another look at the reality on the ground.
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kerry sanders joins us live at a border patrol check point about 80 miles north of here. walk us through what you're saying. when kiersten nielsen says we're up 315% to the average american, they say people must be flooding in at the border when, activity, it's less than 1% increase. >> tell, let me take you through a daily routine here. first, i'm at the border patrol check point, u.s. customs and border patrol. as you look to the right, the cars heading north on u.s. 281 are making their way through the check point. this is one of the busiest border patrol check points in the nation. about 10,500 cars make their way through this road heading north or going south every day. and the last fiscal year the customs agency released its numbers, they said they were able to take interdictions of
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33,672 an he renpprehensions he. there's a large number of those taken into custody very often families. now, this is a very rural area. and because this is a well-known, established check point, so many of those folks who come trying to cross the border make their way around this area. in fact, because they know about this, and they try to move around it, it welcomes excessively dangerous. we have cloudy day today, but because oftentimes hot. because it's hot and they walk long distances, they can get dehydrated. >> all right. thank you so much. it's really important to put this in perspective and look at the images. when you hear kiersten nielsen say it's an increase of 315%, it
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paints a picture that you would think people were flooding in at the borders again, the first five months of the year when you have 35,000 people apprehended and 191 are fraudulent, that's less than 1%. next, where republicans stand. they're debating immigration policy right now as the white house plans new crackdowns before the midterms. we'll dig into the politics next. cactus, but maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr. a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. don't start xeljanz xr if you have an infection.
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welcome back live from texas. i'm stephanie ruhle. the president plans to meet with republican lawmakers later today to discuss the immigration bills put before congress. and he faces a gop caucus that is increasingly breaking from his policy of family separation. >> that's traumatizing to the children who are innocent victims and it is contrary to our values in this country. >> it's clear this is a very sympathetic, tugs at your heart strings sort of picture, and narrative. i think it's a little more complicated than that. >> i don't have any problem whatsoever allowing the children of those who are coming in illegally to stay with their parents. that would be any strong preference. >> she just said only congress can fix this.
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is that right? >> that's not true. we prior administrations have treated it differently. >> all of us who are seeing these images of children being pulled away from moms and dads in tears, we're horrified. this has to stop. >> joining me now, kasie hunt live on capitol hill and maria, president and ceo of voto latino. kasie, what's happening on the hill? we're hearing so many people outraged by the child separation policy. i heard from you earlier, this could just be the beginning, and in the steven miller school of this administration, trump wants to go even further. >> steph, that's right. and it's another reason why the white house and president trump saying that congress can fix this and they can't do anything about it is so deeply disingenuo disingenuous. we know the president could stop this policy with a single phone call. we know that members of congress
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are, i would say there is a snowball effect here even among republicans. they want to be able to do something about this. in the meantime, behind the scenes, "the washington post" reported, and this was about a month 1and a half ago now, may 9th. it's about a draft regulation. that is one of the main powers of the federal government. congress passes a law, the federal government figures out how to implement it by writing extensive regulations. this one would likely replace the court ruling everyone keeps talking about. it's a precedent set in the 90s that talks about how these children are to be treated. that they are only to be held for five days or less by the department of homeland security. this regulation would change that. it would potentially allow those children to be held by dhs for much longer.
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there are provisions related to the supplies they're supposed to receive, snacks, provisions other things. they want to potentially make it so those provisions don't necessarily have to be followed in emergency situations and immigration advocates are concerned it could be used in a very broad way. the administration, you saw the homeland security secretary talking yesterday about how the kids are treated in our care. these regulations could potentially change some of those standards in a pretty dramatic way. and again, this is part of a systematic effort that has been going on since basically almost the beginning of the trump administration. we know they were talking about this as early as february of 2017. so the idea that this is just one thing that sort of happened by accident is certainly not a fair reflection of what is actually going on. even if congress were to be able to take some action here, and this, of course, the architect of this many of these policies,
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stieveren miller, that white house aide who has been involved in things like the travel ban, he has been pretty up front in saying exactly what this policy is, a deterrent to t and keep people discourage people from coming into the country. >> all right. kasie, thank you so much. maria, let's dial it back. for those of us who don't follow policy day in and day out. for the average american who says i care about my family, but i care about my neighbor too. how are they supposed to read all of this? >> i think that absent having us actually have immigration reform, the republicans are using this as a political chit to pit americans against each other. . >> who does it deserve? that's where i'm hung it. separating these kids isn't going to bring somebody a job back. >> exactly right. this is smoke and mirrors. the republicans had so much writing on the fact that they were going to provide this huge
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tax cut that didn't benefit the majority of americans. americans caught on. so they did the bait and switch. this isn't working. now we're going to feed 14,000 anti-immigrant ads into the primary to gin up the base because we have nothing else. that's a travesty right now. we're creating policy that not only divides but doesn't serve us well. we crafted international law when it came to human rights. we gave it to the u.n. we were at table. by the way we're treating these children and families we are re-setting the standard of how you tackle minority issues. there's refugee crisis all over the world. we defined what was humane and what wasn't. this is dangerous. >> i'd like to believe that president's hard core base or we don't have a base many this country that are hard core racists. i'd like to believe they feel hopeless or forgotten. for those american who is say
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they have lousy schools, they have no job, they have no opportunity, how does this policy serve them? that's what i don't get. >> we were discussing this off air in hhs gave out a prosecuiv contractor $10 million to put up a tent city in the middle of a sde desert. >> who do stthey get that approl of in. >> imagine dropping 10 million dollar in any rural community in what they would help overnight in education, health, public education. with this administration i keep encouraging people follow the money. for the very first time you'll hear a lot coming out of administration that says that deportations are down. that's correct. deportations are down under this administration. you know why? they are holding people longer
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in private for profit detention systems. the american people should be so angry. >> when i think about the immigration problem we have is we have lots of unfilled jobs, labor jobs. that's in trump country. when does all of this start to catch on in you're seeing farmers saying i don't have enough employees. like how president trump couldn't get support for the base, it's republicans said that wall won't solve anything. >> at all. we have three issues. we have 11 million that have lived here 10 to 15 years. get them out of the shadows. we have to identify how do we se v -- secure the border. >> has anyone answered this. if we have a zero tolerance policy on undocumented immigrants, why don't we hear anything about employers who are hiring undocumented immigrants.
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i haven't heard a single one of them get arrested. >> i've written a piece. we have focus on wage enforcement. when you poll the majority of american people, they want to make sure they getting paid fairly. the immigrants want to make sure they are getting paid fairly. go after wage enforcement. go after the businesses violating the laws and paying people sub standard living conditions. abusing them. we have tons of story where is employees will with hold paychecks knowing they can hold them because they are undocumented. >> if it's a zero tolerance policy about undocumented immigrants, where is your zero tolerance for their employers. i vin yiinvite you on televisio day, any time to answer that question. thank you so much. here's a live look at the
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welcome back live from mcallen, texas. i we're at a defining moment in our nation's history. it's a moment create and controlled by the president of the united states himself. here's the thing. we have seen moments like this before. you do not need to be a saint. you just need to do the right thing when presented with something horrific and evil. think about this. more than 300 years ago, four men in pennsylvania put their names and potentially their lives on the line issuing pe ii petition that began the march to end slavery. just over 50 years ago, civil rights activists suffered beatings and humiliation from alabama state troopers in several attempts to march from selm a montgomery. on monday, charlie baker, a
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republican, cancelled a national guard deployment to the border calling the treatment inhumane and just last night, texas senator ted cruz, another republican, introduced emergency legislation to end the family separations. a staunch con seservative from border state said all americans should be horrified by the images we have seen this week. mr. president, when you made your pitch to the american people asking us to give you the most important job in the country, you told us this. >> i, alone can fix it. >> you don't need to wait add long as those others did to affect change today. mr. president, today is the day. today you and you alone can fix this. will you mr. president fix this horrible situation? all you need to do is make one
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single phone call or for that matter, use your favorite method of communication and tweet it. to all those ceos who i speak to all the time who say stop listening to the trumpet rick, he's just firing people up. it's the tax cuts that will be great for this country. i remind you, ceos out there, the muslim ban, charlottesville, the treatment of puerto rico and now the separation of families. why is this happening? why is this the policy of president trump? thank you for watching this hour of "velshi & ruhle." i hand you off to my colleague andrea mitchell. right now, the cries of the children. why the immigration debate rages we hear from some of the kids taken from their parents because of the president's new zero tolerance policy. crying helplessly. children cal

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