tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC June 20, 2018 7:00pm-8:00pm PDT
news to leave with you tonight. bloomberg reports president trump is going to meet putin next month when he visits europe. until now this meeting has been are y rumored. now it's on. president trump met with mr. putin last summer in germany at the g-20 summit. maybe this time they'll talk about how trump is lobbying to get putin back in the g-7 or any of the other ideas they have in common. apparently the deal is on. we'll see you tomorrow. n now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. i was fascinated with what you read in the last hour about united and american airlines that they do not want to participate in way moving these
children out of the areas and around the countries. i came out this morning on airlines, that's basically the only two ways in this and out. we were looking on that plane for exactly that possibility. we didn't see any kids on that plane that looked like they weren't related to and very much a part of the families that they appeared to be with on that plane. actually, very few children at all. >> but what you were doing there on that plane is something that americans are doing all over the country as we start to learn through all sorts of different means about where they put these kids. this program to hide these kids all over the country. it's local media, whistle blowers, sources talking to public officials and narcing out where the trump administration is putting the children. it's all over the country, even in new york city. >> there's no flight out of that area. if you fly out of brownsville,
you have to stop in dallas, houston, change planes. so some of these kids who made it up to new york city, michigan, they have changed planes at least once, in the case of michigan possibly twice to get up there. it's something you can be on the lookout for anywhere in the country. >> and you can expect i think local activism and protests and mobilizations and efforts to get legal aid to those kids wherever americans can find them. we know the kids have been farmed out to at least 17 states so americans all over the country are trying to figure out are they in my town? are they in my state? and if so, how do i help? >> before you go, we have an attorney on the show tonight who's one of the attorneys involved in the flores case, which is the most famous case we're all concentrating on in the last 24 hours. this civil lawsuit that has basically controlled now for years the rules of handling children in custody like this.
and the lawyers in that case, on the plaintiff side of that case, have unique papers, peter shea has told me. they are authorized to enter and examine any of these detention facilities anywhere in the country at any time. they are the only people who can do this. and that is news to me. and i think he's going to bring some real news to this discussion tonight. >> wow! i've never heard that at all. that's -- that is whoa if true. that's a big deal. >> they have a set of leverage points they can bring to this issue in court and they do bring on an ongoing basis. it's very much an alive lawsuit that is constantly being -- entertaining motions and changing the nature of the rules. >> that lawsuit precludes the trump administration from doing what the trump administration said they were going to do as of today. this new policy that's in effect because of the executive order
literally can't happen because of that court order. if that court order also means we can have a window, visibility into the places they're stuffing these kids all over the country, that changes everything. >> pete er-shea has been studying the court order we'll get his reading of it this hour. >> thank you, lawrence. >> president trump got the headlines he's been fearing tonight, chick sun times said trump caves. trump caves is the headline he fears more than any other. the false image is he never backs down. but the truth is the opposite. donald trump said he never gives up and never settles lawsuits then he publically gave up and settled a fraud lawsuit for $25 million. that was $25 million for defrauding the student victims of trump university.
of course, most famously as president. the very first thing donald trump did, first thing, was to back down on mexico paying for the wall. after donald trump backed down and gave up on mexico paying for a wall on the southern border, the president was captured in a transcript of a phone call to the mexican president begging him to please stop saying that mexico would not pay for the wall. and, of course, president trump begged the mexican president to stop saying it because that hurt donald trump's image of never backing down. president trump backed down on having mexico pay for the wall. completely backed down on it. and that's why the president is now begging congress and the american taxpayer to pay for the wall and congress is refusing to pay for the wall. president trump started jailing babies and toddlers and children of all ages in april and did it without legislation from congress, he did it without an
executive order. he just did it through a memo issued by the attorney general to federal prosecutors on our southwest border states entitled zero tolerance, and that memo to prosecutors was a change in the policy of how these children were handled. it was a change in the way the trump administration was handling these children right up through march of this year. the pre to do that just needed to tell jeff sessions to tell his prosecutors to do that. now all the president would have to do is tell his prosecutors to stop doing that. to stop prosecuting every family who crosses the border without the proper documentation. today the president issued an executive order. an executive order that helps none of the babies and children who are in custody tonight. it seems the president will
continue to per sue a zero tolerance policy and instead of separating children from their parents when they are arrested, the government will, quote, to the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations maintain custody of alien families during the pendency of any criminal improper entry. so the big change in the executive order is that children who enter the country with that i shall parents will be allowed to go to jail with their parents instead of going to jail alone. so the question tonight is, what has really changed and what is going to change because of this executive order? as i told rachel, we will be joined by peter shea, one of the lawyers in the flores case, which is the federal lawsuit that sets the rules for and continues to control the rules for the handling of children in these cases. the executive order tells the attorney general to, quote, promptly file a request with the u.s. district court for the central district of california
to modify the settlement agreement in flores versus sessions. when jeff sessions files that request, he will meet peter shea in court. and in a moment attorney peter shea will tell us how he will respond in court to the attorney general and to president trump. but first joining us now from mcallen, texas, jacob soboroff and chris hayes. >> chris you've been spending a couple days down there now. the story has changed but the question is how much has it changed? what does this executive order do? >> that's the question. the folks we've spoken to down here, the texas for civil rights, the lawyers in contact as this process rolls through, don't know what tomorrow brings and what friday and monday will bring. tomorrow there will be people in
federal court who have had their children separated because they're a day late. there's an open question to everyone down here which is come friday morning when those 75 people for the morning session in federal court have their intake interview with the public defender and have they been separated from their child, whether people say no or yes. and whether they're still separated from their kids to go to the courthouse and charge, a short period of time, two or three days and then be reuni reunified. it's an open question to me, the american people, the public defenders and the advocates here. it's probably an open question inside cbc, the federal facilities that are tasked with carrying this out. i imagine they don't know the answer to that either. >> jacob soboroff that's what we're getting in quotes to the media in washington is that the people in the relevant agencies
don't really have the answer to what happens next, especially the question of what happens to the 2,300 childrenre already in custody. >> and in that regard, lawrence, there's nothing new about that, dhs and hhs didn't seem to talk to each other before president trump signed that order. the secretary of homeland security said she didn't know where the girls were a couple days ago. earlier an official at hhs told me that as far as finding out where these 2,300, 2,500 kids are and whether or not they're grandfathered into the executive order, we have to go to dhs. and then maybe an hour later we get a message from a spokesperson that took that back and said we can't give you any answer. the ball is not necessarily in dhs's court. now again more questions and answers we still don't know
where the girls are and still don't know where the toddlers are. >> chris, we have reports from inside the white house indicating that john kelly and counsel mcgahn were arguing against an executive order in this case that the president was only going to complicate things issuing this executive order. the president was out there tonight in his rally crowd where he seemed to have as usual the fuel enthusiastic support of his rally crowd and they seemed to be greeting him as if he had accomplished something. what's your reading politically of where this stands tonight for the president? >> i think one of the things we've seen happen before. i remember it happened with the travel ban where it was a disaster and got enjoined in multiple federal courts. there were stories, steve bannon wanted this to happen, it was part of the plan. i'm skeptical of that, if they were so proud of this policy,
they wouldn't have lied and hidden it. they wouldn't have come out and said we have no child separation policy, what are you talking about? no, it's not us. it's congress. it's the law, it's flores. they spent weeks and weeks acting like they were taking the candy bar out of the store. and they got caught. that's what happened they got caught today. they believe this was part of their master three moves ahead strategy because they wanted to talk about immigration. here's what i think, think think they didn't think anyone would care about little children being taken from their parents. but they were wrong, they did care. it doesn't mean the policy stops. all of that is unclear. in terms of the politics they got dealt a loss today. that is clear and unambiguous. >> chris, one thing they
probably didn't anticipate, the president didn't anticipate, is republican senators, a group of them, led by orenhatch would take the president out of this. tender age shelters is a chilling phrase. we will not soon forgot. the child separation policy should be halted now. that is before the president took his action today. of course, the concept of tender age is apparently an old legal concept that refers to children of very young ages. and in the current use of it by the department of homeland security, they apparently mean children age 4 and under, that's who they are referring to in the report we got last night that was news last night about what they're doing with the children age 4 and under. >> there's this -- the language from orren hatch is interesting.
he's someone who said the president has the potential to be the greatest president we have. like every republican, including jeff flake, basically moved lock step with him from a policy perspective. there's been a question all along about what the binding constraints on this presidency are and whether the institutions of american civil society and rule of law will hold in the face of someone who manifestly has no care for them sitting in the oval office, that being the president. and in the past what has constrained him has been politics, thebo obama care figh. and the courts. the travel ban, held up in the courts 1.0 and 2.0. in the court and we should get a ruling soon, 3.0. this was the moral conscious of the nation rising up and saying no this is a line that cannot be crossed. the binding constraint on what
our government does it is here. tearing a 12-month-old baby from a mother and throwing them into, quote, a tender age shelter. that's the first time that has happened in the trump administration. they've had setbacks and been constrained but it was politically in congress, john mccain and the aca fight or the courts. this was more than that. this was a victory in the conscious of the american people. joining us by phone is peter shea. thank you for joining us tonight. you are also in the center of the story. you are part of this executive order, even though you're not mentioned by name because the president's executive order does specifically cite the flores case, which has been controlling the rules of how the federal government treats children in custody in cases like this. what is your interpretation of
the president's executive order? >> well, i think firstly that the president says that congress needs to act in this 1997 settlement in flores that we reached with the government requiring the humane treatment of immigrant children in the federal custody and it's a very detailed settlement but it requires the humane treatment of immigrant children in federal custody and also requires release from custody unless, of course, they are a flight risk or they're a danger to themselves or others or detained with a mother or father and the mother or father does not wish the child -- wants to keep the child with them in custody. that's really the bottom line of the flores settlement. however the president really for several months has been identifying the failures of congress and the flores
settlement for the children coming into the united states. he talks about a catch and release policy that doesn't even exist. i think in his executive order today he states that this flores case puts the administration in the position -- this is a quote from his order -- in a position of separating alien families to effectively enforce the law. this is completely false. it's completely untrue. neither congress nor the flores settlement agreement have ever required the separation of children from their parents. and this agreement has been in effect for 21 years. several administrations. no administration has ever interpreted this agreement. no court has ever interpreted this agreement to require the separation of parents from their children. so -- >> peter schey, can i ask you your reaction to one nyu law
professor tonight has called this an unqualified retreat for the president. do you see it that way? >> i think it's a qualified retreat. i got it all from the department of justice today telling me pursuant to the instructions of the president they intend to be in court, possibly as soon as tomorrow, in our case in order to request that the judge modify the agreement. and according to the conversation with the department of justice they want to not only request, in essence, that parents can be detained with their children, which is kind of ridiculous because nothing in the settlement precludes that in the first place. but they also told me something that's not in the executive order. that they're also under instructions to try to modify the settlement which currently says that any facility where
minors are detained must be a licensed facility. and they want that part of the settlement stricken or modified so they can start detaining parents with children in military-type facilities or other types of facilities that are not in any way licensed to ensure the safety and the well-being of children. i think it is a retreat. i think it is a major retreat. but on the other hand he simply cannot accept responsibility for a catastrophic and irrational decision to separate children in the first place. instead he blames congress, where they have no blame. he blames the settlement when the settlement has no blame. even if he does retreat, there are several thousand children right now in this country separated from their parents with no effective plan by this administration how to reunite those children with their parents. >> peter schey, let me just
underline the news you're making here tonight in your report on your conversation with the justice department. you're saying that the justice department, when it goes into court, where it will face you and the other side on the flores case to modify it, one of the modifications they want is that they will be able to put children in unlicensed facilities? and you indicated that those unlicensed facilities could be on military bases, which links up to one portion of the executive order, the homeland security secretary, of course, is mentioned in the executive order but surprisingly the secretary of defense is the other cabinet member, along with the attorney general, mentioned in this executive order and it says, the secretary of defense shall take all legally available measures to provide, upon request, any existing facilities
available for the housing and care of alien families and shall construct such facilities if necessary and consistent with law. and your indications from the justice department is one of the reasons they want to be able to use military facilities for these children is that they can then escape the state and local licensing procedures that they might otherwise have to deal with? >> exactly. under the flores settlement, it not only calls for the humane treatment of children and treatment that takes into account their unique vulnerables as children, it also clearly says in some detail that if you are going to detain children beyond the short period of time that they're in border control custody early on after being apprehended, they have to be detained in a facility that is licensed, which basically means,
in so many words, that the staff at that facility, the people that are running that facility, that they have training and they have guidelines that deal with the safety and the well being and the psychological well being and the health of the children being held in that facility. and what the call to me from the justice department indicated today is that when they go into court, and they told me it could be as soon as tomorrow, that one of the things they would like to have reversed or vacated from the flores agreement is that requirement that children be held in licensed facilities. that could obviously have a very, very detrimental affect on the well being, the health and safety of these children. whether they're detained with or without their parents. >> peter schey could you stay with us across a commercial break because there are a couple more points i would like to cover with you if you have time
to stay with us. >> yes. >> and chris hayes and john bolton -- jacob soboroff in texas covering the story. and sunday night jacob soboroff will be doing an hour on the border on date line sunday at 7:00 p.m. eastern on nbc. we'll hear more from peter schey about his legal authority to enter and examine any facility holding children in these cases anywhere in the country. and we'll hear more from what he expects in litigation with the justice department possibly as early as tomorrow. we'll be right back. today...
here's what president trump told his supporters tonight in minnesota about his executive order. >> today i signed an executive order, we're going to keep families together but the border is going to be just as tough as it's been. we're going to make it great for americans and we're going to take care of people. we do want people coming across our border going through our ports of entry, but we want people to come in through merritt, not just through luck or happenstance. >> joining our discussion now,
john hileman, national analyst for nbc, and ron klain, former chief of staff, and a former senior aid to president obama. and back with us by phone is peter schey, the president for human rights and constitutional law. he is the lawyer handling the flores case, which is the case that controls the rules for handling children in federal custody in these kinds of matters. peter schey, quickly, the reason i wanted you to stick around is i wanted you to explain more about your legal authority to enter the examine the conditions in any one of these facilities anywhere in the country at any time. how did you obtain that authority, and how do you use it? >> we obtained that authority when we first entered into this nationwide settlement after many years of litigation, the case going to the court of appeals,
the united states supreme court, when it came down we entered into a nationwide settlement. that set conditions, children had to be held in humane conditions and children had been to be eligible, there's a presujs of release. it's a fairly complicated emolume settlement, much more detail than i explained. but it was important to us, we didn't trust future administrations, and luckily so because this administration is not at all to be trusted -- >> on that point do you have people in texas examining the facilities that are at issue tonight? >> we do. we -- we have the power, under the terms of the settlement -- or i should say the authority of the settlement to interview any class member detained anywhere
in the united states. and any class member means any minor, whether accompanied or unaccompanied, who is in the custody of the federal government. so yes, we commenced these visits. we have the power to inspect the facilities and we have the power to interview minors detained in these facilities. we have about 100 lawyers right now, volunteer and pro bono lawyers, started about a week ago, and we'll continue for the next two weeks conducting interviews with class members in detention facilities in california, in arizona, in texas, in pennsylvania that will go on for about the next two weeks. so yes, we're doing this. we're serious about monitoring. so we can learn what's hidden to anybody other than those in the inner circle of the this
administration. >> thank you for vojoining us wh the breaking news on how you plan to handle the fight with the justice department that could begin as early as tomorrow. thank you for joining us, peter. john, we've seen the president go in reverse, it's something we've seen many times before starting with who's going to build the wall, mexico is going to build the wall. in fact, weer here because mexico did not pay for the wall. so the president decided it was time to take hostages and see if he could get congress to pay for the wall. >> and the hostage taking backfired. to the point you were talking to chris before, i think part of the thing here is both sides of this argument are right. the president wants this fight, but also thinks he could get away with it without a lot of people noticing it. he thought the right people would notice it and everybody
else wouldn't pay attention. he's fed by the political wisdom, the genius of a guy like stephen miller who can go to the "new york times" and say this is a 90/10 issue. if we define it the right way, 90% of the american people are with us. as if people don't understand that's not what this issue is about and baby jails is not the same thing as secure borders. the president is in that bubble and listens to people like stephen miller and comes to the conclusion he can somehow get away with the vileness and not pay the price and also get the credit for it for the people he wants to get the credit from. it turns out there are cameras everywhere in america and you can't do that targeting politics anymore. >> and as rachel pointed out, there are people who want the story out and are telling it in ways they can.
nancy pelosi said, the president trump's executive order seeks to replace one form of child abuse with another. instead of protecting traumatized children, the president has directed the attorney general to pave the way for the long term incarceration of families. and we just learned that the justice department called peter schey to try to get a modification in the flores case, which dates back to attorney general janet reno when the case was first brought. >> today wasn't the end of this fight. it wasn't even the beginning of the end. it was the end of the beginning. there are a number of fronts on which this will proceed with red hot political intensity. first of all our country made 2,000 orphans in the past few weeks and those orphans are probably perpetually separated from their parents and that is going to be a tragedy and story
that will be followed up. then there's the question of what the president's order purports to do. as you said, it's supposed to save the tragedy of locking up children separately from their parents and replaces it with the tragedy of locking them up with their parents for an indefinite period of time. that's the proposal, trump would keep these people locked up for the full pendency of their criminal proceedings. that could be years these people would be locked up. that's an ongoing controversy that i think is going to dog him. >> and the president with his rally crowd chanting pay for the wall. they were chanting build the wall. no issue about mexico paying for it and the president, of course, saying he started to build the wall, citing the $1.5 billion that has been arope rated to repair and replace existing structures, especially in san
diego. no new wall building whatsoever. >> the president is -- his political instincts on this in winning the republican nomination were ugly, but accurate and on point. in the broader american electorate his instincts are horrible and he has to climb down for the wall because mexico is not going to pay for it, it's not going to get built. and the reality, which comes back to your first question, the reality is, out here last night with mike murphy, we're talking about this, again go back to the stephen miller thing, where they were on this policy was going to put 100 republican seats in jeopardy. he's backed down from various things before, this was different republican senators were writing to him, people were freaking out across the party not because they care about what we care about, which is some version of japanese internment brought to hispanics crossing the border but that this was
going to be a killing field with suburban women voters where republicans need to hold if they have any prayer of holding the house. his instincts are terrible on this and he's learning it now and he'll learn it more in november. >> thank you for joining our discussion. last night on our program, the head of the immigration and customs enforcement warned us that babies and children already separated from their children under the trump policy might never be reunited with their parents. what will happen to those children now? that's next. ld be rushed into booking one. that's why we created expedia's add-on advantage. now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave. ♪ add-on advantage. discounted hotel rates when you add on to your trip.
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so what happens now to the 2,342 children who we know have been scattered around the country in secret detention centers after being separated from their parents? some of them might never see their parents again according to our next guest. joining us now is john sandwig. john, 2,342 is the number as of june 9th. it's been going up by dozens a day, so it's a few hundred or maybe several hundred more, close to 3,000 by now. with your expertise, what happens to them? >> well, the children are obviously taken away from their parents. so they're going to be placed in foster care facilities or with a relative. that will be done by health and human services. the parents are going to stay in immigration detention. that's the idea behind all this, is the trump administration knows if you detain an adult parent they'll get an expedited
hearing before an immigration judge which means they're likely to be deported more quickly. the opposite is true for the children. so the children are in foster care around the united states and their states move slowly. and then state courts get involved and get appointed guardians of the children because the parent is in detention, the state court decides the parent abandoned their child. i was hopeful trump was going to reunite the parents quickly but that doesn't appear to be the case. >> you have multiple departments of the federal government involved. you also have multiple departments of state government involved and some local government involved. everyone know what it's like if you lose your license plate and you go to the dmv trying to get that replaced. what is it like if you're trying to find your child? what is it like if you're a
4-year-old trying to find your mother in this system? >> good luck. this is not a function that any agency has done before. we always kept families together for this reason. you take that and add to the fact that there's no evidence whatsoever that there was any planning done, any interagency planning done prior to the emt ple implementation of this policy. >> thank you for your expertise on this. when we come back, president trump's long-time lawyer and so-called fixer, michael cohen, of all people has turned against the president on putting immigrant children in jail.
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for the rights to her story alleging an affair with donald trump. investigators are probe be any potential efforts by mr. cohen to suppress damaging information about mr. trump during the presidential campaign including whether he coordinated with american media to pay with karen mcdougal and not public her account. don has been a friend of the president and michael cohen. here's what he told ari melber today. >> it's a fantasy to think anything donald trump did that michael cohen didn't know about. and this is me speaking but if i were donald trump i'd be very worried right now. very worried. >> you sound like someone who knows something. >> i'm a very analytic guy. everything i know about the universe and humanity, i would be surprised if michael cohen doesn't end up a pivotal character in history. >> so for children born today
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he's going to have to do what's best for his family. he does not have any loyalist on the other side of the equation. >> do you think today he understands that more than previously? >> i think every day he's understood it more and more. >> joining us, a former u.s. district attorney and former counsel to the mayor of new york city, and back with us ron kline. and maya, the expectation now of michael cohen cooperating with federal prosecuters gets higher and higher. donny deutsche is fueling it. >> it's hard to imagine -- i wasn't born today, but it is hard to imagine him not cooperating, quite frankly. remember that michael cohen is someone who was already very unusual for there to be the kind of search warrants that we saw on his residences, his offices and hotel because he's an attorney and because he had been an attorney for a sitting president.
nonetheless, though, searches happened. they happened because there was a lot of indication that he may have been, obviously, that he may have been involved in criminal activity. he's looking at bank fraud, wire fraud. obviously there are questions about election criminal election violations. if he's not doing something to protect himself, then essentially all he's going is falling on his sword. why would he do that? >> john dean has a large role in u.s. history if you zoom in on the early 19 70s in the water gate scandal. it sounds like donny deutsche is saying michael cohen could be the john dean of this era. >> i think he'll be the answer to questions in american history tests. i think it's going to be name the only trump lawyer more incompetent than rudy giuliani. what you're seeing playing out is an incredible public
negotiation between two people who don't know what they're going. michael cohen and donald trump. michael cohen hired a new lawyer signaling cooperating with the prosecuter. and he put out a call for trump to pay his legal fees. you put michael cohen speaking out against the internment of children at the border as he resigns his seat from the rnc. a seat previously held by elliot brody, and steve wynn who was guilty of sexual harassment before that. the moral of -- authority of that position. this is an effort to bargain with trump, and trump, i think all he can say back is too goof ball. i don't know where this is headed. >> maya, rudy giuliani is now admitting he was interviewed by fbi agents. he says they interviewed him in his hotel room at the trump
hotel in washington d.c. asking about his comments during the presidential campaign indicating that a big surprise was coming and that was right before the russian hack of the dnc. >> well, that's right. and remember, rudy giuliani can't hold himself out as an attorney and ask for attorney/client privilege. he was simply a campaign supporter, not acting as an attorney representing donald trump. so that makes sense. i actually think ron is actually completely right, and giuliani falls in the category of someone who has not shockingly given his history, not behaved as someone with a strong understanding of the law. it's rather surprising. >> it wasn't specified whether rudy giuliani was interviewed for the inspector general's report and he's not mentioned in the inspector general's report as someone they interviewed. they seem to mention everyone they interviewed or whether he
was being questioned in the robert mueller investigation. >> robert mueller can still use it even if he didn't question him. it is interesting what he may have said. we don't have any indication that rudy giuliani had any direct information about what was transpiring during the campaign on that front. we know that roger stone was already making those statements publicly. right? about what would be forthcoming. i think the real question here is there is a lot of keystone cops here. and that we know that michael cohen has always been a big question mark in terms of whether he would flip, and if he flips, how he connects donald trump potentially to a whole range of potential crimes. >> maya wily and ron kline, thank you. tonight's last word is next.
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we're out of time. that is tonight's last word, the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. tonight, a stunning about face from president trump after falsely blaming democrats after falsely saying only congress could fix the problem. the president signs a piece of paper ending his own policy of separating children from parents at the border. but tonight at a rally in duluth he goes back and promises toughness on the board e. >> in washington the criminal investigation goes on. this evening new details on the trump tower meeting with the russians, the reporter who broke the story is our guest tonight. the 11th hour begins now.