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that wraps thing up for me this hour. kasie hunt picks up from washington. >> good afternoon. i'm kasie hunt in for ali val she. this hour all eyes remain on capitol hill where the situation is unraveling for republicans. last hour, the good lat immigration bill was defeated on the house floor. we have been expecting a vote on the gop compromise proposal but it has been postponed until tomorrow. uncertainty was rampant hours before the process started. president trump threw a political bomb into his own party's delicate negotiations tweeting just after 9:a.m. quote what is the purpose of the house doing good immigration bills when you need nine votes in from the democrats in the senate? hours later president trump
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continued lamb pasting democrats. and that filibuster rule. >> we need two to tango. we have 51 votes in the senate. we need 60 unfortunately because we have the ridiculous filibuster rule. we need ten democrats. not going to get them. they don't care about the children. they don't care about the injury. they don't care with the problems. they don't care with anything. all they do is say obstruct. >> while the president was in washington, first lady melania trump made a surprise visit to mcallen, texas, to visit a facility housing some 60 children, mostly teenagers. according to the reporter's pool notes, the first lady told one group of kids, quote, bye-bye, good luck. the kids applauded as she left. we have got our reporters following all this action minute by minute. joining me now from the white house, nbc news kelly o'donnell,
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and from capitol hill msnbc's garrett haake. garrett, i was up there running around in what has been a crazy keen this after as they scramble to pose pony this bill and try to hunt for the votes. where does it stand now? can you walk us through exactly what happened in the last hour? >> a couple of thing are at play. in the last hour we had one vote here in the house of representatives, it was on the more conservative good lat bill, the house immigration bill that conservative leaders wanted to see get a vote. it got a vote and failed, it got 193 yes votes. that's better than some people thought it would do. it has the effect of turning off that discharge petition we have been talking about meaning the house moderates that have been trying to force a vote now lose that weapon. it is a procedural weapon here. as for the delay on the compromise bill. leaders decided to push it off
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another day ostensibly so they can get additional votes in favor of it. here's mark meadows not necessarily a fan of it talking to us moments ago. >> between some of the meetings and some of the drafting there was some communication issues that didn't allow for some of what was agreed to in these meetings to be included in that compromise. i don't know if delaying it until tomorrow gets them more votes. probably does. in my opinion, it would but i don't know how many mar. >> one of the truisms of capitol hill is when you have the votes you take the vote. so the fact that this delay did happen suggests that leadership didn't think they had the votes on this at all. but the bigger problem you laid out in the intro here, the president being entirely unhelpful to this as an actual evident to pass with that tweet this morning saying why bother essentially if the senate won't pass it. you heard a similar sort of thin from paul ryan in his news conference today saying look our goal was to avert this discharge feat and give members a chance
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to vote throwing up his hands and saying we can't guarantee an out. could. now thatoutcome is delayed toll but it appears the compris doesn't hav the legs it need right now. >> it's not clear that they have a plan to get the votes in the intervening hours either. we were hearing from aides as early as this modern that the president's tweet didn't matter because the whole thing was probably going to fail anyway. kelly o'donnell what is the white house thinking at this point. >> steve scalise had members up there yesterday trying to vince the president that he needed to tell them to get on board with this. is the strategy from the white house just to fry and set congress up to fail so they can then blame them? >> one wonders. one of the issues for the president is not always understanding or at least it's not our perception that he understands that by weighing into some of these matters he can actually undo them. in a free wheeling meeting with cabinet members, the cabinet session today he also talked about inviting democrats here to work with him.
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that's after frequently bashing democrats including last night at his rally in minnesota. and on a regular basis, saying resolve this problem.ping to there is division within republicans on how to do it. then of course ultimately it would take 60 votes in the senate which is one of those hard obstacles that the president is clearly frustrated about. and there are not 60 republicans. so you would need democrats. but it is a free wheeling almost strategy as it goes sort of sense of this. and this is not an issue that the president wanted to be fighting about. he wanted funding for his wall and a hardline stance and it has not worked out that way. to give you a sense of what the president's attempt to put pressure on democrats -- of course when you are bashing them you are not necessarily attracting them. but this is a piece of the president commenting on what to do about this. >> we have to house these minors and we have to house them safely. and frankly, we have to house them, and we should be taking good care of them. and then we should return them
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back home. that's what we have to do. but every time we ask for resources, the democrats say no. >> and on that, he's talking about funding for the detention centers and to provide for the systems that are required for the numbers young children migrants we are seeing and their parents as well. so the president does not like dealing with this issue based on the way he is handling this, his tone, his description of things. he would much prefer to focus on his view of what immigration policy should be, which is that harder line. it is a challenge for the president and one that could have a significant impact as the midterm races certainly heat up, including races where we will see the president participating more and more. he claims there will be a red wave. certain democrats see a blue wave when it comes to perhaps taking control of the house. so mixed messaging here. at times it's some unhelpful
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weighing in through tweets and comments. whereas house members might want to be able to resolve this themselves and see if they can get it over the finish line. i has echos of the early health care votes where the president got involved they ultimately pulled the vote.you and remembe well. it has a bit of that feeling right now since they aren't taking the vote today as we thought they might. >> this president not the first one to be annoyed by that pesky coequal branch of government. but certainly someone who handles it in his own unie way. thanks to you both. we want to go to breaking news. the pentagon is working on a plan to house 20,000 migrant children on military bases. hans nichols is tracking the breaking developments at the pentagon. what do we know? >> received a request from the department of health and human services to make some sort of space for 20,000 unaccompanied migrant children. these are minors coming in. and to house them.
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now, there was a start potentially as early as july. next month, and go through to december. here's where the process is right now. hhs has asked the pentagon to look at facilities. they have already looked at four separate military facilities, military installations. i should note there is precedence for this. you will remember back in 2014 during the obama administration some 7,000 unaccompanied minors were held at military installations as a way to keep them safe. trump appears to be drastically increasing that or at least making a possibilities trying to plan for that contingency. here's a what we know about the memo first reported on by colleagues over at the coefficient. it came after trump announced the executive order on wednesday. it looks as if some sort of detention of unaccompanied minors would continue through the end of the year. the pentagon is still this the planning stage a. official here has confirmed that and they are
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waiting to see just where this will go. but the process has started for housing 20,000 unaccompanied minors. >> it certainly suggests that this crisis is still -- at least our officials are planning for th crisis to stretch out and perhaps increase over the next couple of months. hans nichols over at the keep us posted if you get more information. now to the headline i mentioned at the top of the show, the president's tweets on immigration added to an already fragile situation on the hill. house speaker paul rooib was trying -- ryan was in a public spat on the house floor yesterday. the house freedom caucus chairman mark meadows confronted speaker ryan claiming the compromise bill was quote not ready for primetime. listen to what speaker ryan said this morning when he was asked what happens next if both bills do in fact fail. >> the bills that are coming to the floor today are bills that
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if it got to his desk he would sign into law. therefore it is a legitimate kper eyes. it is not a discharge petition. members will be able to express themselves. if they don't pass today then we will cross that bridge. the last thing i want to do right now is undercut the bills that we have which i think are darn good immigration measures. >> some republicans are already voicing frustrations with the entire process. >> i think this is going to blow up. inthe bill is going to go down, and we may very well start with a new discharge petition with a bill that we think will run right down the middle of the playing field, which is what we tried to do all along. but we are just going to do it again and we are not going to pretend that the freedom caucus is able to negotiate with news vining me now, jeff denham, from california, one of the lawmakers who authored language to stop the separation of families in that compromise bill and has been a leader overall in this. thank you for joining us today. >> my pleasure, thanks for having me.
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>> this all seems to be falling apart relatively fast. my main question for you at this point is was it a mistake to try to negotiate with the freedom caucus in your view? >> no. i think it was an important exercise to negotiate in good faith with members o our entire conference. >> did they negotiate in good faith with you? >> it certainly -- i would just say there is only one way bill is going down today. if the freedom caucus no longer supports the measures they negotiated up front. >> it sounds like they have promised one thing behind the scenes and now they are moving the goal posts? >> we took a hot of amendments. a lot of amendments. agreed to just about everything that they brought to the table. our focus was not only a bder security but making sure that the dreamers are protected from day one, making sure they have a path forward. we felt like we had a good compromise and were ready to go to the floor. >> clearly mark meadows
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disagrees with you. what is your feeling about this delay? leadership said they want to wait until tomorrow morning to hold a vote on there to try to get more votes. base on what you told me already, it sounds like that's vincing freedom caucus members to get on board. are you okay with that? do you think it's going to be productive? >> i'm okay with it for one reason. there is a great deal of confusion. votes continued to move around. last night new amendments went onto the other bill that already failed today. i think we need to take a pause and alaw members to see exactly what's in this bill. we have had it out in transcript for several days. the negotiations went on for weeks. the president has shown his unwavering support. even this morning the president's tweet came into question. init's important to tab a minute, allow the speaker and the president to lean in. if they want this four pillars bill to pass this is their opportunity. if not, there will be other
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immigration bills that move forward in the future. >> to that point, your colleague congressman costello was on our air earlier today saying there could be another discharge petition in the event this compromise bill ultimate edoes fail. is that your sense of how events might unfold? and would you be willing to sign on to such a petition if in fact this compromise doesn't go forward? >> first of all, inth think tha bipartisanship is too often lost here. i think finding a bipartisan solution is finding an american solution. we are going to find every parliamentary opportunity to bring a bill up and work with our democratic colleagues in doing so. >> it sounds like you have anger with your leadership as well right now. is that a correct assessment? >> frustration. frustration has the rules have continued to change. that we have a number of agreements that were broken. and obviously our floor schedule today continues to change. >> congressman jeff denham of
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kofl. thank you for your time, sir. we will be tracking your events minute to minute today. thank you. >> thank you. up next, access denied. we will take you live to tornio texas where a group of nearly 20 mayors from across the skun were refused entry to this tent city. that's where hundreds of children separated from their families are living right now. our cal perry is there with the latest. you are watching msnbc. hi, i'm joan lunden with a place for mom,
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a bipartisan group of mayors are at the u.s./mexico border in tornillo texas, even they are having a hard time getting into the facilities where these migrant children are staying. the mayors arrived at the gate of the camp. here you can see they were not able to get in. it will apparently take two weeks to approve their access to the facility. and after a brief exchange, you can see the guards shut the gate on them. msnbc reporter cal perry is there on the ground for us in tornillo. call, hans nichols reported that the pentagon is now working on a plan to house up to 20,000 migrant children on military bases. what are the implications of that? >> well, they are wide reaching, certainly. you saw video of the mayors being turned away from this camp. imagine what it's going to be like trying to get access to a military facility. it's incredibly difficult because you are deal with the
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deputy of defense, national security issues. most of our military bases here in this country are larmly, parts of them, are classified. so you cannot access these areas. the other thing to keep in mind is as these kids are moved around -- we heard from three major u.s. airlines yesterday, as the kids are moved around -- they will be moved around on military aircraft. as far as the media and the american public is concerned we are going to be really losing track of these kids. to be fair we don't have a good beat on where they are now. this camp over my shoulder as you have alluded to is starting to overcrowd. there were over 1-kids here on friday. we saw two buses come in the last 24 hours. under the cover of darkness we saw three vanoving somebody out of camp. it is a lot of mystery surrounding this of it's continuing to frustrate us the media and the american people. adding in the military to all of that process is going to make it
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all the more complicated. >> cal, have you been able to see inside this tent city at all? what are conditions like inside there right now? do we know? >> we have been able to get to the fenceline of the compound behind me. we went to this county road which is sort of right diagonal to the place i am right now. and we were escorted by police off of the road even though it is a public road. they said it's for our own safety. we asked about what the safety concern was and they were silent. what i can stress is it's 120 degrees in the sun, 100 in the sun. the kids aren't going to be getting out of the sun. it's too hot. add to that this facility was not ready for an influx of inaccompanied minors. we seen supplies coming in. ice trucks and water trucks that have been coming and going over the last 48 hours. it's clear that from not only a security perspective but from
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managing the press perspective the agency were sum ofly not ready for it. >> cal perry in tornillo texas thank you for the great work as always. president trump's reversal on the faemt separation policy may have stopped the administration's practice of splitting undocumented migrant children from their parents but it's still unclear what will happen to the children who have already been affected. and how government officials plan to reunite them with their parents. joining me now is the director of dream action coalition, caesar vargas. nice to see you sir. thank you for being with us today. how are -- how are you grappling with this problem? how are other advocacy groups working behind the scenes to try to help these families? really, i mean, is there hope for the families who have already been split up and don't know how to be reunited? >> in summary, this is a crisis. the federal government has no plan whatsoever to reunify kids
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with their parents. and most alarming there is no plan to ensure these children are getting the resources they needed. there is no assurance they are going to have the representation in court or in terms of any type of social services. so this is a reality where the federal government just signed a piece of paper saying we are not going to -- we are going to separate families but without having a plan. frankly,e are going to have the consequences of children suffering not just mental harm but also physical harm. and i can imagine had we are going to see now where children are going to be lost in th system. documents -- we are having difficulty trying to find that. in the city of new york we have literally an influx of children where even the mayor and the government didn't even know who was come here, how many children were coming here. the next objective here in new york is to make sure we investigate who is here, how many children are here, who needs help, who needs mental health services and what resources do we need. inin summary this is a crisis that the federal government,
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this president has created. frankly, this is tragic that we use children to prove a political point. this is unprecedented and inhumane to even get to this point. >> how -- how do you grapple with the challenge of some of the youngest that we have heard about being taken from their parents? i mean there are groups in michigan that report 8 months old, 11 month old babies. these children don't know how to speak on their own behalf. they obviously don't know a relative's cell phone number. they probably couldn't even articulate even a name. they are non-verbal. how is the government tracking that at all? >> we are definitely not counting on the federal government or the department of justice or the trump administration to provide support. this is why cities and local governments have to have a coordinated effort to ensure two thing that the children have the mental health and medical care that they need. many of them come through the border, have suffered either violence or simply physical harm throughout the journey.
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second we need to ensure that they have legal representation. as an attorney we are going to work with the city council w the governor and of course advocates to make sure the children have legal representation. many of them are also in deportation proceedings. they may have a claim to asylum, a claim for a special juvenile visa. they have many different ways. especially these children when are 5 years old or 1-year-old or so on, having an attorney to speak on their behalf is going to be critical. we need to create a plan and work with governor and the city to make sure that we have a plan. we are not going to rely on the the federal government, we are not going to rely on trump to do anything. and this is up to new york to say we are going to be a sanctuary city, we are going to aspire to protect human rights, especially children's rights. >> thank you very much, sir. i appreciate your time. up next, first lad melania
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trump made an unannounced visit to the texas border to see for herself where the children are being housed. an immigrant herself the fares lady made clear she supports reuniting children with their families as soon as possible. i will be joined by marshall's immigration attorney after the break. you are watching msnbc. yeah, you? [ roaring ] [ screaming ] nope. rated pg-13.
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first lady marshall trump spent part of the afternoon in mcallen, texas, near the u.s./mexico border. according to her communications director, quote, her goals are to thank law enforcement and social services providers for their hard work, lend support, and hear more about how the administration can build upon the builder existing efforts to reunite children with their families. an immigrant herself, mrs. trump has been credited with helping change the president's mind on family separation. she led her fellow first lady inside condemning the practice with a statement that reads quote, mrs. trump hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform. she believes we need to be a y that follows all laws but also a country that governs with hear. earlier this afternoon the first
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la toured one of the detention centers for minors. >> let me begin to recognize each of you and thank you all for all what you do, for your heroic work that you do every day. and what you do for those children. we all know they are having -- they are here without their families. and i want to thank you for your hard work, your compassion, and your kindness you are giving them in these difficult times. >> with me now is michael wooilds the immigration attorney who currently represents marshall trump and her family. a former federal prosecutor and the author of safe haven in america battles to open the golden door. michael, i want to talk to you. you have unique insight into what melania trump and her family's own process and interaction with our federal immigration system has been. what do you think that they have gone through that might help explain melania trump's clear
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sympathy for the children and her opposition to this policy? >> thank you first for having me. obviously i have to be girded by the attorney/client privilege. mrs. trump in many ways exemplifies that extraordinary journey that many tre veiled for years now. these a citizen by choice not by chance. what she did today. my parents brought me up, judge somebody what we they do not what they say. she is on the way back to the border. she went because she wanted to. nobody told her to. this is leading by example. i'm saying this as a proud democrat. as an attorney who argued strenuously against the president's policies, whether it was the muslim ban or the children in crisis at the border. the truth is citizenship, getting that green card and that
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juny that people take, it's not paperwork. it's flesh and blood. and the institutional kind of experience that they are having at the border when there are children that are involved. you need, as mr. trump said, to govern with heart. the collateral damage, the emotional damage, the experiences. i can just imagine we need all hands on deck. this is not democrat. this is not republican. where are the technology companies that can create databases and track parents before they get to our shores and make sure that children are united. all hands on deck. our first lady leading by example today. >> i'm surprised that as somebody how works -- who is employed by melania trump, by the trump family is, able to speak so freely against the president's policies. >> me, too. i could be fired but you want to know something? i represented the president for the last 15 years on many of his immigration matters, miss
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universe matters. i am a proud american. i'll also a jew who does not like the visual i have been witnesses in the last few days. in the biblical sense, if you reflect on the story of queen esther there is a reason to believe that she is the president's wife and that she brings something to the table yourself. i can't speak for her nor will i speak of my conversations, but i have to tell you this is nuanced by her presence. >> the president him has said publicly that mela tal to him very much about this. it clearly impacted his thinking? >> absolutely. you know, i can just tell you from my own experience getting to know the rest of her family that there is a humility, and there is a very strong family relationship. we see that the first lady herself didn't go to washington and occupy the white house until things were sorted with her own son. so we have to make sure that as we try to shore up our border
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and protect our homeland that we don't forget that golden doors, as the book is titled that i wrote, that they are hinged open and they are vetting people thoroughly. those can both be done and we don't have to separate parents from children. >> michael wilds, former federal prosecutor and the immigration attorney who currently represents melania trump and her family. thank you so much sir for speaking out today. >> my pleasure, thank you. >> appreciate it. even with a temporary halt on new family separations the president's zero tolerance policy is still in effect. that means there are thousands of immigration cases to be processed and not nearly enough judges to do so. for his part, the president tweeted this morning, quote, we unshhh be hiring judges by the thousands as our ridiculous immigration laws demand. we should be changing the laws, building a wall, hiring immigration agents and i.c.e.
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>> instead of hiring federal judges the pentagon is sending 21 lawyers to the border to help prosecute the backlog of cases. i'm joined by barbara mcquaid and glen kirshner a former army jag, a military prosecutor. explain, is there press department for this? have we done this before as a country? >> let me start in the year 1878 an move forward through yesterday in 60 second. okay. in 1878 a law was enacted. it means the power of the country. it prohibited the military from going out and enforcing civilian laws, which makes sense, right? so then in 1986 congress either amended or modified the statute to say, if t jag, the judge advocate general of the army decides there is a military interest. >> the head honcho lawyer of the
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army? >> correct. >> okay. >> if there is a military interesting to fulfilled then he or she can basically deputyize jags to go into federal court and handle relatively minor cases. now, this has been done routinely since 1986. i was an army jag in the '80s. here's what this looked like. let's assume that -- on every army installation there is basically a grocery store. we call it the commissary. there is a walmart or a tart. we call it the px, the post exchange. if a soldier walks into the px and shop lifts the soldier had been court-martialled because the military has jurisdiction over him. his wife they have no military jurisdiction over. under those circumstances a jag prosecutor could be designated as a special u.s. attorney to go
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into federal court and prosecute the shoplifting case against the soldier's spouse. that is where routinely you have jag lawyers who are deputyized for lack of a better word going into federal court and prosecuting these relatively minor crimes that occur on military installations. >> barbara mcquaid, i want to bring you in here just on the feesibility of this. i mean is the kind of immigration case these jag officers will be facing, is it willing they are easily familiar with, is it basic enough that there is enough overlap? is 21 of these prosecutors enough? i mean it seems as though the number of these case is sheerly overwhelming? >> these are going to be relatively minor cases. illegal entry is a misdemeanor. i don't know that we have they have the training. i have read they will receive training in these laws, criminal procedure and immigration. they are doing a little bit on
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the fly. they will be acting under the civilian attorney. you raise the other important issue, 21. i think this is troops in the bucket in terms of how many they are going the need if they are truly going to follow through and prosecute every misdemeanor offense of illegal entry. currently the united states government prosecutes about 20,000 immigration cases a year. if every one of these is prosecuted that number would lloo to about 300,000 per year. easy how 21 is going the make a difference other than to be some window dressing. >> is there, glen, any sort of -- would there be any way these attorneys would have immigration-related experience during the course of their day to day work? >> unlikely. had he we graduate from law school and pass the bar we are required to go the army's jag school in i think have. you take three or four months to train up on army law. it doesn't include immigration law or deporting alaw. i think it unlikely that the
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jags we are now going to inject into federal court on immigration illegal entry cases are really going to be ill prepared for it. they are quick studies and i understand they are going to get training but let's not forget we are taking these 21 mull terry prosecutors away from their mission essential duties, the posts where they are serving and doing court-martialled. they are defending soldiers in court martials, providing little legal assistance to military members and their family, they are doing wills, adoptions and estate work. they are doing operations laugh, law of war. they are needed, you know, where they are assigned. so you have to wonder about the wisdom of pulling these people out who have no experience in immigration law and inequity jing them into the federal court to handle all of these misdemeanor illegal entry cases. >> last word to you in terms of the logistics of the executive
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order over all. how is the government going to prioritize families who are coming in? are they going to go to the front of the line of these cases under this new rule? do we have a full understand of how that will play out? >> it says that families will be prioritized. i don't know how exactly that will play out in fact. but i think the hope is to get them in and out of sfim as quickly as possible so they don't have to be detained for a lengthy ertd approximate. the tricky part is how it will comply about the flores settlement. which says children may not be detained any more than 20 days. >> barbara mcquaid and is glen kishner thanks to you both. up next we will take towel salvador wherever year thousands flee their country's notorious gang violence hoping for a better future many of whom though are sent right back as
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richard? >> the gang war in this country is directly related to the migrant crisis because many of the migrants are coming from here in el salvador. this is a country of just before 7 million people in central america on the pacific coast. there are two main rainfall ms-13 and one called the 18th street gang. and they are battling each other. they are fighting for territory. they are fighting for businesses that they can charge extortion money for. and they are fighting for people. they are fighting for new recruits. and tens of thousands of people have been killed in this gang war. in fact, thereof a civil war in the 1980s in this country. more people have died in the gang war than died in the 1980s civil war. this is a real problem. it displaced large numbers of people. and families are leaving because they don't want their sons and daughters to get killed in the acrossfire. they don't want their sons and daughters to be recruited by the
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gang to carry out murders, to be used as drug couriers. that's why they are leaving. the question is what will happen now to the families of -- that are already in the united states that could face deportation? people here will say that they left because of violence. they left because they were afraid for their lives. and if they are forced to come back, the situation will be no better. in fact it may be worse because a lot of these families spent their life saing savings in order the make the dangerous journey, now will be returning to an equally dangerous place but with less money and resources to be able to accommodate their situation and take care of their lives. so far, according to the he will salve doniar government none of the latest batch, the children who have been separated from their mothers and fathers have been sent back. and the el salvadorian government is saying they don't want them to come back
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separated, that children who were divided from their mothers or fathers should be reunited in the united states before they come back here because according to officials in this country it will only create confusion. it will only create a situation where they could be hard to reunite in a country that is already just barely coping. >> richard engle reporting from san salvador for us. coming up, one down, one to go. after the more conservative immigration bill was killed in the house, there is one left that's been postponed for a vote tomorrow. president trump is urging members of congress to, quote, come together and do something. it comes as the attorney general now claims in regard to separating families, quote, we never really intended to do that. congresswoman karen bass of california joins me after the break to weigh in. you are watching msnbc. relentl. your plaques are always there at the worst times. constantly interrupting you with itching, burning and stinging.
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administration saying, quote, we never really intended to do that. what we intended to do was to make sure that adults who bring children into the country are charged with the crime they have committed. instead of giving that special group of adults immunity from prosecution which is what in effect we were doing. so i think it's the right thing. you would be correct if you thought that that was a much softer tone than what we heard from the attorney general when he first announced the zero-tolerance back in may. >> i have put in place a zero-tolerance policy for illegal entry on our southwest rder. if you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you. and that child may be separated from you as required by law. >> sounds to me like that was the intentn. more than 600 members of sessions' church have filed a formal complaint against him
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democratic congresswoman from new york, karen bass. she is the founder and co-chair of the congressional caucus on foster youth. we were a little worried there, congresswoman. you had to run off to go vote on the -- to open debate on this next immigration compromise bill. there have been a lot of moving pieces here. it sounds as though this compromise bill vote will not happen until tomorrow, but at this point we're not even sure that it has the votes to pass. >> exactly, exactly. we're not. it failed a couple of hours ago. but we were in a mock hearing looking at the plight of these children and what really concerns me very deeply is i don't believe that there is anything in place to reunite these children with their parents. so i'm introducing legislation to force the federal government to take responsibility and make sure that these parents are reunited with their children. >> congresswoman, i think a lot of americans are wondering as they are watching this process
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unfold in congress why if clearly both of you on both sides of the aisle in many cases have been opposed to this family separation policy, why congress can't figure out how to do something about it. and i'm wondering if the senate were able to pass a very narrow bill that just was aimed at ending these separations permanently instead of temporarily as the executive order does, would you support that and would you urge your leadership to support ha? >> i would. but what would have to happen would be to end the policy of zero-tolerance because as you know, the president signed the executive order to end the crisis that he started, but he only did it partially. so he said that families can stay together, but the zero-tolerance policy is what has to end. and so if there was a bill just to do that, i do believe it would receive wide support. clearly we want to do more, but in terms of what we're facing right now today, i do think that people would support that.
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>> the house speaker paul ryan at his press conference earlier today repeatedly blamed democrats for the immigration crisis, saying that once there was a court ruling that essentially extended the deadline somewhat indefinitely for many daca recipients, democrats walked away from the table. how do you respond to him? >> well, actually i think that's pretty sad for the speaker to say because he knows as speaker that he does not need democratic votes. and so what failed earlier today was a republican bill which means that they could not even get members of their own caucus to support their legislation. so, 218 votes, he has over 240 members, he does not need one democratic vote to pass a bill in the house and he knows that. >> fair enough point. he is, in fact, having trouble getting 218 in his own conference. >> exactly. >> congresswoman karen bass of california, really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> that brings this hour to a close for me. please be sure to catch "kasie
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d.c." sundays at 7:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. thank you for watching. "deadline white house" with my friend nicolle wallace starts right now. >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. as she has at the lowest points of donald trump's brief but jarring political life, melania trump today attempted to clean up some of the mess made by her husband's near universally canned policy of separating children as infants at the border at a detention center in mcallen, texas, the first lady thanked doctors and medical staff. it stands in stark contrast that looked more like a walk of shame when he was forced to retreat from the actual awakening of his cruel policy of prescriptions. the recriminations continue. the "wall street journal" editorial board writing today, quote, in classic trumpian

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