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real life. you now how we like tend to the show. there is always good news somewhere and we believe this, good news ruhles and we must spread it. the town of still water, oklahoma, has made this dream come true. they threw her a parade for her birthday. she lived in this fun to for 100 years. this was her 107th birthday, a great way to celebrate. her community led with kindness and love. you want to talk about america first, that's a great american and they are celebrating her. that wraps us up for the hour, i'll see you again at 11:00. i hand you off to my friend and colleague hallie jackson. thank you. i'm hallie jackson in washington. it's 10 app:00 a.m. do you know what your children are? hundreds of my grant dpiernts not still separated from their kids with confusion and contra gictions what happens now, not just for families but for congress too. that's the future of an immigration bill on hold for months if the president gets
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what he wants, a pause until after the midterms. but is that what republicans on the hill want? while the president works in private, the first lady works in public differing a message to kids, and another message in big lerds letters on her back. here's more questions, where are the girls? where are the toddlers? what happened to these families who are not yet reunited? right now one of our nbc news reporters is inside a facility or unaccompanied kids. second she comes out, she is running to our cam rand we'll have a live report right here. watch for that we have our team set up reasoned to go. let's start with video that's been issue is cue lating around overnight, at least one good part of this immigration story which is overnight, the 7-year-old boy from guatemala reunited with that mother. look at that video. this happened at the airport in baltimore. they've been separated for more than a month while seeking
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asylum. [ speaking foreign language ] >> that's darwin, the little boy's name, you saw him hidden by the mike phones there. he is just one of about 2,300 kids who have been separated from their parents. the government is trying to reunite more kids like him but there's confusion among different agencies for sure. i want to start in texas with gabe gutierrez. he's in mcallen. and, gabe, you've been talking with others who are on the other side of this picture, right? they still don't know where their kids are, they don't know how their kids are doing, they don't know when they're going to see their kids again. >> reporter: yeah, it's pretty incredible story, hallie. we were able to speak overnight with four mothers who are in detention right now at the port isabelle detention center near brownsville, texas. we were able to speak with them by phone if the they with can have phone cards and make phone calls from these pods that they sleep in, about 50 people to a pod. we asked their attorney if they would give ace call, and they did. and what they did was they shared similar stories, three of them were from honduras, one
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from el salvador and they said they fled their countries because of the extreme violence and poverty. but what they say is that they really have no idea how to easily communicate with their child. two of them were able to find out where their child was by speaking with some relatives that had some contact with them. one of them was able to call her child in another detention center. one of those children was in new york state, the other one was in michigan, the other of the two mothers they have no idea. it's been nine, ten days since they were picked up by immigration authorities. one mother from honduras told us that she was told initially by immigration authorities that they would be separated for 48 hours perhaps, tops. and still nine days after that she still has not heard from her child. so they're handed information, hand flyers on numbers they can call to perhaps go through the system and find out where the office of refugee resettlement has placed their child.
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but the bottom line is for these mothers that are in detention right now and for these thousands of kids that were separated, dhs says they've reunited 500 since may, still, for all those kids it's very difficult for their parents to be reunited. a lot of confusion her. >> i know you're staying on top of it. thank you. marianna is about 50 miles left from where you just saw gabe. we can hear the river flowing behind you. you've been out with border agents. what are you and they seeing there? >> reporter: so that's exactly right. you see mm-hmm behind me. you see all those people with their documents in hand crossing legally to the united states. that is not what is happening for some in the rio grand which is below this legal bridge crossing which is where i'm standing now the. that's where we were at with border troll patrol agents all day yesterday on these boats. they are patrolling the river trying to keep smugglers at bay.
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it is these people who are trying to bring bundles of drugs, but also undocumented immigrants along the river. we weren't even out with them for 15 minutes and already we caught them trying to bring migrants over. i want to play that moment caught on our cameras for you now. >> what's happening now? >> we had a -- we had a group attempt to make their way to the u.s. side. >> this group behind us here. >> this group behind us here. they were spotted by agents on the ground and as soon as they heard their boats, they went back to mexico. >> so they're retreating to mexico right now? >> yep. >> these people. do you know if they're my grapts or smugglers? >> at least two of them are smugglers and the other three, i mean -- >> the other three are -- >> yeah, who knows until we catch them. >> so do you go after them now or -- >> well, they're in the water. they haven't madent trip to the u.s. side yet, so -- and they're going back to mexico, so a
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deterrence is also a success in our book. >> so, hallie, you saw how matter of fact that was. and it's scary and fascinating to me when i experienced it cat and mouse game between the border patrol and these smugglers. and at the very heart of everything are these desperate families, the children, the mothers trying to cross over and being extorted by these people. the going rate for a central american trying to cross over, they pay these smugglers hallie an average of $15,000 per person. small fortune for these mothers, no doubt. >> no doubt indeed. thank you. let's get back up here to washington to nb's geoff bennett over at the white house. the president support, he's tweeting this morning, he's been on a tweet storm about a bunch of things, telling congress to forget the whole thing casting doubt on what he's called some of the phony stories, seizing on this image that we'll talk about more in a second with our panel here of a little girl crying, the one on the occur of time
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magazine. what's going on and where is the hill on all of this? >> reporter: it's another about face from the president who early this week tweeted that now is the time for congress, as he put it, to fix the country's broken m aggregation system. but just this morning he's now saying that republicans should hold off, should wait until after the midterm election. so hears one in a series of tweets. republicans should stop wasting their time on immigration until after we elect more senators and congress women and women in november. dems are playing games and have no intention of doing anything to solve this decades old problem. >> so the president is in effect acknowledge willing the fact that republicans don't have the votes to pass these bills. he's accusing democrats of being obstructionists. but what's true is that republicans who, as you know, control all the powers -- all the levers of power here in washington are running out of options for how to stem the political damage resulting from the president's policy of separating families at the border of of course the backdrop to you will after this is jacket gate.
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we still have no clarity on what, if anything, motivated the first lady to wear that army-style jacket with the words on the back you see there, i really don't care, do you? the first lady's team insisting that there was no behind message, although it's hard to see how a wardrobe choice like that could be anything other than intentional, hallie. so, as you mentioned, the president is still tweeting about immigration. we expect to hear from him at 2-30 eastern at an event for so-called angel families. those are families who lost loved ones due to sfriens viole an undocumented immigrant. >> let me bring in elizabeth will lace with the asylum seeker advocacy project along with eugene scott and betsy woodruff. let me stick with the white house and washington where geoff left off because in just the last little bit you've seen tweets from both press secretary sara sanders and president trump that seem to relate to this. a border patrol agent who is out this morning talking about that
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photo that you've seen on this network, all over the media, it's gone viral. she became kind of the symbol of the problems there are photo here, with unaccompanied minors, with kids. here's what a border patrol agent who says he was there at this moment had to say to cbs this morning. >> we asked her to sit the kid down in front of her, not away from her, she was right in front of her, so we can probl properly search the mother. so the kid immediately started crying when she set her down. i personally went up to the mother and asked her, are you doing okay snow is the kid okay? and she said, yes. she's tired and thirsty, it's 11:00 at night. >> the border patrol saying this is not a person or a child separated from her mother, that little girl. the white house now seizing on this and trying to drive the storyline in that direction even as there remain some serious questions about where actual kids who have been separated from their parents are, when
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they're going to be reunited, if they will be reunited. >> and the undebatable story of this little girl is the extraordinary trauma that every child who travels from central america through mexico experience hands to journey. that's what we see in her face is the fear and horror that many of these families are facing as they try to get to the united states from central america. that's unquestionably true. that's what that little girl encap sue lates. >> liz, have you seen any changes in the last 24 hours of what our reporters have talked about? any clarity on your end? >> i don't think there's any clarity at all and this executive order aims to replace family separation with indefinite family detention. that's not a solution, not only is detaining families indefinitely with children hor risk, it's also illegal. you can't detain children for more than 20 days so it's
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unclear who you it wiu unclear how it will be implemented. it seems like families will still be separated. >> let's talk through how we got to this moment, because that affects every single one of those families. we put together kind of a timeline since the president signed that executive order what we have heard from various government agencies and officials. because on wednesday he signed this executive action. that evening, health and human services walked back comments that there would be no grandfathering of cases saying reunification is the goal. then thursday they retracted a statement saying it would dismiss criminal cases for these immigrants after initially saying it would. in that same story they said zero tolerance was still in effect. and this morning homeland security said about 500 kids have been reunited. senator kennedy has sort of called this a hot mess. at that point how does the administration, what do they need to do, liz, to help families figure this out? >> i think first they need to stop prosecuting asylum seekers who are crossing the border.
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as long as they're doing that, i don't see a way that they're going to be able tend to family separation. all families should be released to sikh seek their cases for asylum in the united states, they have legitimate claims and detention is not a solution. it's also horrific for children, it also is trauma advertising for children. families should be released to pursue their occasions and with the assistance of alternatives to detention like community-based support. they'll be able to comply wault requirements and move forward with their cases in a way that's sensitive to the trauma that they've experienced. >> there's also the question of the intention of this policy in the first place, the continued mixed messaging that will we are hearing from the administration after things that were said that just simply were not true. the administration, for em, the president said this can't be changed on an executive order, of course it could be because he did. jeff sessions stepped in it with an interview with cnn. here's what he said recently in his christian broadcasting network interview. watch. >> the american people don't
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like the idea that we're separating families. we never really intended to do that. what we intended to do was to make sure that adults who bring children into the country are charged with the crime they've committed. >> okay. so he says we never really intended to do that, to separate families. that was last night. but here's everything jeff sessions said starting in the beginning of may to this month. >> if you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. and that child may be separated from you as required by law. if you don't want your child to be separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally. it's not our fault. our policies that can result in short-term separation of families is not unusual or unjustified and it's really a very short period of time. having children does not give you immunity from arrest and
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prosecution. bringing children with you doesn't guarantee you want get prosecuted. >> the administration knew what the results of its policy would be. >> absolutely. the administration intended to do what they did and jeff sessions believed that the bible was supporting the decision, which is one of things he communicated. what he didn't intend was to have the type of reaction that he got even from some people among the base, specifically some white evangelicals and other conservatives who found this policy problematic and that's why we're seeing recei reversal. >> liz, thank you for being with us. i'm going to ask eugene and betsy to stick around because we do have more questions, including if the president has made this move, putting this in congress's court, what happens over on capitol hill. that immigration impasse has become a lot trickier. is he throwing in a towel on a fix? we're head to the hill next live.
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so immigration reform, is it dead? that's the question that congress is looking at this morning, especially after president trump and some tweets today basically kicked the legs out from under the precarious coalition republican leadership had been trying to build. that's after they delayed a vote on a compromise bill rare compromise by the way inside republicans that is still not finalized after a more conservative version failed on the house floor. let me bring in garrett haake whose on the hill with the latest. fridays are usually pretty chill in a lot of ways.
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this is not a chill friday. there's meetings going on, there's behind the scenes work to rewrite a bill but the president torched the whole thing today. >> reporter: it's sort of a weekend at bernie's situation here with republican leadership trying very much to make sure this bill at least looks still alive. it is unclear how alive it actually is after the president's tweets this morning. although i'll tell you, i just talked to the majority leader kevin mccarthy who said they're going to have a vote next week. he doesn't think the president's tweet was damaging to anyone except democrats he says because it shows that democrats are not willing to work with republicans on that. democrats in my twitter feed are already loudly objecting to that as they should be because they have been trying to be involved in this process, as we know. but the fate of this bill has been whip signed back and forth. if you'd asked me this time yesterday i would have said that both of these immigration bills were going to go down to a noble defeat i think is how republican leaders would look at it. they knew they didn't have the votes yet. last night they had a two-hour meeting to try to see if this republican only compromise bill could be sweet ebbed in sucheney
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that could get across the finish line. here's some of the folks we talked to. >> very constructive dialogue and suggestions and so i feel pretty optimistic about where we're headed. >> oreverybody's trying to come together as a team so we can get to 2018 and get this across the finish zblien everybody wants to solve this problem. >> i think when we get it didn't you president's going to even like the new bill better than this bill. >> reporter: the bottom line problem here is if you're a conservative member of congress who wanted the president's backing to support this bill, with him now saying let's wait until we get more republicans in congress, question do something strong, he it's hard to see what their motivation is to support this bill as it sort of limps into next week. but the other thing mccarthy told me is he thinks the house needs to show that it can do something. can a republican-controlled house pass literally anything on immigration? next week will be the point where we find out.
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>> reminder, like capitol hill 101, republicans control congress there is obviously a problem that they have had before since they've taken control of congress with trying to get bills across the finish line, although they've had success on other things like the tax bill. mike kauffman has come out -- republican calling on the president to fire steven miller who has been a big advocate of this more hardline immigration push from donald trump since the campaign. is that gaining any traction inside gop circles or is that just mike kauffman, mike kauffmaning? >>? >> reporter: that's an all politics local situation. he's in a competitive re-election in colorado. most house republicans here don't want to have anything to do with telling the president who should or should not be in his cabinet or inner circle. you see that on the scott pruitt kase case for example, it's not a fight most of these folks are willing to have. >> garrett haake, thank you very much. i appreciate if the. as all of that plays out on capitol hill, there's still a stepping up of enforcement along the border.
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jacob soboroff is joining us now with more. jacob, you have made your way back to new york from the border. you're one of the first journalists to get a look inside those facilities housing migrant kids. one of our colleagues is in a facility right now. >> reporter: that's right. >> we said this at the top of the show to remind you when she comes out. jacob, maybe you can speak to your experience. they sort of take you through. we don't know when she'll come occupant. when she does she'll fill us in on whether she saw girls and toddlers. two groups we haven't seen yet. >> reporter: we're talking about catie beck and she down in homestead, florida, which is one of the places that the department of health and human services released photos of girls, they say there are tender age children in that fa sill. i frankly refuse to put those photos out on my social media until one of us from our organization could vour own eyes inside that facility because we need the context. just like i was able to provide in brownsville at the hhs shelter and the mcallen border patrol processing station
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otherwise their government hand outs in the worst seis propaganda, their sanitized version of what they want you to see is. you're right, all of this, everything we saw play out over the course of the last six days down in south texas is a cumulative result of years of border policy, including enforcement actions by the border patrol. part of that enforcement is part of this date line special we're doing this week. i want you to look quickly how that enforcement plays out on the ground. watch this. we're with the border patrol that's in per suit of two people that they've spotted up on the mountain ridge in this area the reason we're shooting in night vision is we have to maintain a low profile as we get out here to hike up into the mountains in pursuit. i'm pretty winded already. these guys just don't stop. they're searching for the migrants up in the hills.
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they could be smugglers, they could be mules, we don't know and they could be armed. as the border patrol's elite flex team sprinted out ahead of rurss a helicopter joined the chase. >> like that right there. that's a flex team with the bodies. >> do they have them? >> reporter: a lot more -- hallie, so that's a little bit of what you can expect this sunday on date line. it's coming up this sunday night on nbc. >> you know we'll be watching. thank you for all your week over the last several weeks and thanks for kouth the show. we want to turn to breaking news because the supreme court we've been talking about how the court is coming up to the end of its term. it has now ruled in a dhas could have huge implications for cell phone privacy. pete williams is outside a rainy court with that ruling. pete, what do we know? >> reporter: big victory for privacy advocates. the supreme court has said that when the police want to use your cell phone to track your movements, they have to get a search warrant. now that's a big deal because so
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many americans, something like 95% of us own a cell phone. and what happens as you travel around using your cell phone, it connects to different towers as you move around, that's why they call it cells, cell phones. and the phone company keeps a record of every time your phone connects to a different tower. the police can go to the phone company and say give us those records and use that to reconstruct your movements. that's what happened in this case. a man was charged with stealing ironically cell phones from electronic stores ant police convicted him in part by matching up where he was at the times that the robberies were committed and son of a gun they said he was near cell towers where these stores were robbed. but what the supreme court said today is that cell phones give a lot of information about us, they talk about seismic shifts in digital technology that make possible the movement, the track of everybody's movement for years and years. so what the decision says is in the normal case, the supreme
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court -- or the police have to get a search warrant. that means they can't just go fishing to see where you were. they have to str hahave probable to believe that you committed the crime. but they leave open the possibility that police can still use cell phone records in emergencies or for very short-term tracking. if they want to do it for days and days like in this case they need a search warrant. the interesting thing here, hallie, this is another case where the supreme court, especially with cell phones, as been willing to say, digital technology is different than the way you use your cell phone or your telephone in the past. your phone conveys a lot of information about your personal movements and your personal life and it deserves extra protection. so the supreme court has been willing to go there in response to the demands of civil libertarians. 5-4 ruling. chief justice john roberts wrote the opinion joined by the court's liberals. the other conservatives were the
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dissenters here. we have at least one more, possibly two more decision days left. the travel ban, of course, and then a very highly anticipated case about the future health of public sector union. >> and, pete, before i let you go, when it comes to this cell phone warrant case here, the ruling that just came down, might that have broader implications for government surveillance programs and some of the fights that have been waged surrounding those? >> reporter: well, i think that just my occur sor-- cursory reag of this is that we're not go to go there. we're just talking about using your cell phone to track you, not other kinds of surveillance devices. >> pete williams, thank you. we'll have two more days of you next week i hope with the latest supreme court rules. i want to bring in graying braur, former assistant fbi director. greg, to you, what are the implications of this ruling now from the justices? >> well, i haven't had a chance
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to read the entire opinion. ways trying to read the syllabuses a heard pete describing it. but i think he's right, this appears to be a narrow ruling. the court has been struggling with the advent and the ubiquitous nature of cell phones vis-a-vis the fourth amendment for some time and so i don't think it's a surprise to many observers that the court came down on the side of privacy in this opinion. the lineup is a little bit interesting with chief justice roberts, as you mentioned, writing the opinion joined by the liberal members of the court in the majority. but it looks like narrow opinion, not a big surprise, and i don't, to your question earlier, hallie, whether this will have an impact on other types of surveillance, including intelligence slaurveillance, i don't see that being the case. >> who do you see this impacting the most, greg? >> say that again? i'm sorry. >> who do you see this
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impactioning timpacting the most? >> this will make it more difficult for law enforcement to be able to on abtain what we wo call noncontent information, location information, other types of information about cell phone use that does not include content. to date, that sort of information, those records have been relatively easy for law enforcement to obtain because a warrant was not required. with this decision, a warrant will be required in more cases than currently is. >> greg, thank you much for that. i want to bring in jolene kent because some folks who are watching this of course involve these tech companies that work with cell phones and use these cell phones and explain a little bit more about lie this matters more broadly. >> well, this certainly is going to be a signal to the tech community when it comes to data collection in general. this specific case decided by the supreme court, of course, deals with location data as it relates to cell phone providers. but, of course, in the case of san bernardino and other major
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privacy concerns here, you are certainly going to see law enforcement perhaps approach their strategy differently with big tech companies. as you know, there's a lot of data collected. it will be interesting to see how this decision may impact other types of metadata out there, not just cell phone location data but when it comes to the actual information on your phone and the technology behind that. >> jolene kent joining us live from out from therein l.a. on this early morning on the west coast. thank you very much. we're going to continue to follow that story. i want to remind you that we're waiting for our reporter who is visiting one of those facilities housing unaccompanied children to end that tour, come out and tell us about what she saw. we also want to catch you up on some other important headlines this morning. let's start with what happened overnight near pittsburgh. watch. you are looking at hundreds of people in the streets shutting
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down traffic demanding answers from police, protesting after the deadly shooting of an unarmed black teenager. 17-year-old antwon rose was shot by police while running away from a traffic stop. the officer has knots been identified but has been place dollars on leave. the mayor, council, the police department all say they're looking for answers but that that process will take some time. also today, delegations from north and south korea have agreed to reunite families separated during the korean war. we're talking about 100 people from each side who will be brought back together in august. that's the first reunion since october of 2015. but there's still thousands of people on this list waiting to find out if and when they might be able to see their family. and abc just announced another roseanne reboot, only this time without roseanne. that's because the conners is set to star original cast members according to abc, roseanne barr will are no financial or creative involvement in this thing. as you remember back in march president trump called roseanne barr to congratulate her on that
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comeback rating. but after she was fired from the racist tweet, the president avoid criticizing his long time supporter. and let's talk about immigration. president trump's repreet treat on family separations came from not just political but personal pressure part of it from his wife who traveled to the border yesterday to take a look herself at the conditions and living conditions of these migrant kids. she called for them to be reunited with their parents. >> i'm here to learn about your facility and i also like to ask you how i can help to these dhoi children to reunite with their families as quickly as possible. >> we don't often see the first lady weighed in west wing policies publicly but he acknowledges the influence of melania and eanca trump have tried to sway her dad.
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>> they talked with him about those images released by the government of kids in cages along the border. it's reminiscent of the reaction after last year's chemical weapons attack in syria when ivanka trump said she was heartbroken and outraged by the pictures of children suffering. >> there's no question that ivanka and others weighed into him. >> more recently ivanka trump had a hidden hand in the commutation of alex johnson's sentence, the grandmother who will been serving life behind bars for a first-time drug offense. this caught the attention of kim kardashian west of who talked with hoda last week days after meeting with the white house and at ivanka trump's house. >> kim, you're going to go all the way to the white house. who do you all first? >> i called ivanka and we had a really great conversation about just women and wanting to help each other. and i knew she would have
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understand understand alice. and she immediately was so receptive. >> i'm joined now by new york magazine washington correspondent olivia back with me eugene scott with the washington post, betsy woodruff with the daily beast. thank you all for being here. you obviously cover the personalities involved here at the white house. ivanka trump has also come under skr criticism. she has focused on family rights issues but she's come under fire for not speaking out at times more forcefully enough. in this instance she didn't oppose family separations until after her father had already reversed his policy. >> right. she seemed to kind of misrepresent the policy itself when she did tweet congratulating him or talking about how good it was that he signed the executive order. she took the white house line that it was sort of not the white house's fault that the policy was in place in the first place, which is, of course, not true. but as you said, her policies
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that she deals with at the white house are about families and women. her personal brand before she joined the white house, before her father was a politician formerly, was about working women and she had a kind of lifestyle brand that she was trying to get off the ground about how to be a young woman work, how to be a working mom. all of this is really not in line with i think the vision of herself that she tries to present to the world. it's a very difficult spot for her and she received a great deal of criticism, people asking where she was, why she hasn't spoken out. >> i think one point it trended online, where's melania and where's ivanka? >> yeah. it's going to be difficult for her to recover from that in terms of her reputation. >> she has talked about in particular scene yore advisor to her father, of course she's a person involved in west wing policy. she's talked about the idea that perhaps she can be more effective not in public, that she thinks her voice carries more weight behind the scenes and that ultimately people may see that. remember this when she said it to i think it was gail king last year. >> i don't think that it will
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make me a more effective advocate to constantly articulate every issue publicly where i disagree. i think most of the impact i have over time most people will not actually know about. >> i think it's interesting because sometimes ivanka wants to extricate herself from these complex situations but at other times she hasn't been shy about being a very visible face of this administration. she was the face of the olympics. she recently campaigned for nunez in california who played a role in sort of the bung will house intelligence investigation that tried to exonerate the president of any connection to misdeeds by the part of the russians during the campaign. so ivanka hasn't been completely detached as a public face. it's not like she's completely removed herself from visibility. but when it's convenient she's not there. >> there's also the piece in the first lady, olivia, which is this is -- i think it's fair to say her most high-profile policy role. she's rolled out her own initiatives, she's done the best
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to encourage the well-being of children. she's focussed on her fight against cyber bullying which critics have noted seems to be at odds with the comments and i sults her huss husband has delivered online. but this is her husband's policy and she said according to her office 100% i'm going down, it's my decision, i'm telling you i'm going, and you can either back me or not. >> right. we have this tremendous optics blunder yesterday or this message that she was sending with the jacket that she was wearing. and i think there was a lot of disconnect between the white house and the president, as there typically is. they don't meent stapame thing they did in preef administrations. people are saying it's her jacket, she had a hash tag for it. and then the president was saying it's a deliberate message about the, quote, fake news media. >> but the white house would rather be picking a fight with the media than addressing questions and look at the political strategy, addressing questions on where these kids
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are. >> i think the media say safe thing can he return to. >> i'm glad you same on. we'll have you back soon. i want you to it stick around because katie beck who is touring that facility has get to n a -- gotten a look inside one of these buildings. we may show some of this video because when you went in you were not allowed to bring cameras, recording device, similar to jacob soboroff over in texas when he saw the brownsville facility days ago. you're in homestead, florida. the government released photos. away don't have any that we shot. tell me what you saw and what it was like. >> reporter: that's right. no cameras, no recording devices, no contact with the children as we pass through. this fill the houses teenagers between the ages of 13 and 17. >> boys and girls? >> reporter: right now there are more than 1100 of them. boys and girls. there are about 750 boys and
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about 400 girls. they are kept very separate inside this facility, different dorms, different classrooms, they don't actually eat together. but. >> i want you -- i'm going to disrupt you, your microphone probably our sprurs probably our viewers are notici has a weird buzz. this san important look, there are girls in this facility. what i want to get from katy ty is the breakdown of numbers, how many of the children are been in there and how many have been separate frod their families and maybe part of these 2,300 plus kids that we know about. when we talk about detention facilities, betsy, we understand the military maybe noufg how's more unaccompanied kids on maile military bases, right? >> exactly. that's something that has advocates deeply concerned. generally under the flores settlement the unaccompanied children are supposed to be housed in facilities that are license. it strikes me extremely unlikely that the state of texas or nx or
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arizona is going to get their licensure operation in place quickly enough to have involvement over the way these children are how'sed the that's something that deeply concerned advocates. just the increased militarization of this process is something that has generated criticism. we've seen defense contractors get involved in working with the nonproftsd that have be nonprofits. general dynamics that contract with the pentagon and the intelligence community are part of this work. >> i understand we have fixed katy's microphone and i think you're back with us. you were talking through what you saw and i want to turn it over to you to fill us in. >> this is a facility that is for teenagers both girls and boys between the ages of 13 and 17. they both are in the facility but kept separate at all times. so they do not dine together, they do not sleep in the same dorm floors together. they're kept very separate. this facility does appear to be
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very orderly, very structured. every child inside has a badge around their neck that has a barcode and when they enter and exit any building on the premises, whether that's the dining hall or the school classrooms or the recreation areas, they are scanned by personnel inside to now exactly where every child is at every time. they are also given sort of uniforms, jeans and t-shirts so they're all dressed alike and they all march in orderly lines. so it is a very organized, very structured facility. there are more than 1100 children inside this facility. we're sold 70 of them have been separated from their parents at the border. the rest came across the border unaccompanied. in terms of cleanliness and being hospital able, it appears this is a clean and safe facilities. dorm rooms, each room houses 12 children, 12 children in one dorm room that share one bathroom and that is where they sleep at night.
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one thing that is striking about going into those dorm rooms is that there is nothing on the walls. there is nothing on the floors, there's nothing to identify even that a child really lives there. now, they say this is a temporary place so technically they say the average stay here is about 25 days before they are able to find some type of foster parent or reunite them with their parent or immigrate them somehow to life here in the united states. but -- in terms of the structure, they're given six hours of education every day. we would watch through classrooms where children were being taught. they're given rememberingation every day, three meals a day, three snacks a day, and it does appear that, you know, that it's clean and it is safe. i will say one thing that sort of distinctly different between this and seeing the small children is that because these children are teenagers you see a children awareness on their face that they're not free, you know. as you walk through, they're sort of looking at you and
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assessing you from a perspective of where are you know, looking at the outside. so it is different than seeing the young children who per harps don't have that consciousness. >> and, katy, can you talk specifically about what you just addressed and specifically as it relates to girls? because up until now reporters have been been in a facility that houses any of the girls that have been separatesed from their parents or that have crossed over as unaccompanied minors. can you talk about what you swau these young women, these girls, these teens, their facilities and i know it's always tough to characterize morale or mood in a quantity final way, but if you could share some of your impression, i would be grateful. >> reporter: sure. we did see girls for the first time and many of them were wearing pink t-shirts so you can see them moving in orderly lines moving across this campus facility. i think most of them appeared to be pretty reserved, perhaps a
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little, you know, curious as to who we were and what we were doing there. >> did you explain it to them? did dhs explain it to them? did dhs say we're bringing through reporters? >> reporter: no, my understanding was it was not dpliend the explained to them. several of them would wave at you and smile but you weren't supposed to have direct contact. we did see several groups of girls headed to class wearing pink t-shirts in an orderly line. inside the school build tlgs were art, you know, there was art on the walls and it did appear that they had some type of art and crafts program. but for the most part it's a very structured day here inside this facility for these kids. >> two very quick questions, catie, sleeping facilities, were these teenagers, were they sleeping in cages or were the dorms free stand something what was that? >> we asked very direct questions about the fact that are we not seeing chain link fence business design in there
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are chain link fenceors any type of caged facilities on this property and they assured us that there were none, that at this facility children ever old enough to understand order and rules and we're not seeing any of those things inside this facility. >> and my last question if the you mentioned 70 of the children of these minors that you saw in this facility that are housed that the facility where you are in florida have been separated from their parents. any guidance from dhs? i know you asked the question on how these kids will be reunited with their families. did you get any insight into that? >> reporter: well, at this facility each child is assigned a caseworker. they meet with that caseworker every week and they're allowed two phone calls a week of ten minutes in length each. during that phone call they can reach out to parents or family members. the caseworker official obviously is someone trying to find their next of kin or someone to take this child. they say that is as good as an answer as they can give me. i don't think there is much plan
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beyond that as is that each child does have a caseworker trying manage their case from inside this facility. >> catie beck there in homestead. i know we'll be check being back in with you throughout the morning. the pictures that you've been seeing, some of that video, that's not from catie and her team. they were not taye loud to shoot video or make recordings inside those facilities. that video say government handout. that comes from the department of health and human services to the this point, eugene, betsy, olivia, no reporter has gone in until now with catie and the people she was with. there are also teenagers. we haven't seen images of the younger kids. we know there are very young kids being held at some of these detention facilities that have been separated from their parents. >> absolutely. i interviewed a man yesterday who was going to south florida to tour a facility that's either all girls or all teenage girls trying to get answers to many of these questions. and she said you know how catie
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told us she couldn't have contact with the kids, she wants to make sure that these kids know they can directly kokt congress with concerns and questions that they haven't been able to get out to the media or the people there will to help them. >> final thoughts, olivia, betsy? >> i think the challenge that will be presented going forward is what happens when they start detaining families together. that's something that's part of this executive order and family detention is not great. children tend to lose weight. i've heard of cases of 4-year-olds losing 10 nounds family detention. it's a heartbreaking story. >> eugene and betsy, stig around because we have more show to stick around including president trump promising to drain washington's swamp. but a group of louisiana fisherman say their swamp has been ignored. we'll talk about now more problems at t problems epa might be shifting from a more environmental
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so today we are back on swamp watch. literally. because this time we're headed to the biggest swamp in the united states. no, it's not washington. it's actually in south central louisiana. that's where nbc is checking back in with fishermen who's way
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of life is in danger and say they're still waiting for the president and scott pruitt to step in. >> whoa. that's my baby. >> reporter: ben lives off louisiana waters. >> this is my front yard. >> reporter: fishing a basin, america's most expansive swamp. when we first visited in march of last year -- >> one crawfish. >> reporter: the swamp was suffering. >> crawfish have to have current to move and survive. >> reporter: the result they say of oil and gas pipelines changing the waters. >> i learned my schooling in this basin. >> reporter: jodie showed us how decades of redevelopment changed the swamp. >> there should be water across this area. >> reporter: instead, miles of dams created by old pipelines. >> good-flowing water makes everything produce. now we produce probably about maybe 20%, 30 % of what we used to produce. >> reporter: we return third
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down week to find the state and federal government issued new permits. this is the newest pipe line? >> right. hopefully they'll pull the dirt in and not leave it like they've done in the past. every company in the past, they've never provided any relief. >> reporter: last year they hoped to have a champion in the fight. >> i voted for donald trump. >> reporter: believing he would protect the basin. >> i think he's bold enough to make the right changes. >> reporter: a year later the swamp is still waiting. we met a month after trump was inaugura inaugurated. have you gotten trump's help? >> not yet. >> reporter: the environmental protection agency absent amid deregulation of oil and gas pruitt knee deep -- >> special favors. >> soundproof booth. >> first class travel. >> the epa director is supposed to see to it that our environment is taken care of and making sure that we leave something for the next
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generation. >> reporter: if president trump and scott pruitt are listening, what's your message to them? >> please help us. i pray for you every day. do the right things for the right reasons. >> reporter: >> this filter was put here by god to facilitier the water. it can't filter no more. it's just a big, rotten ball of water. it needs the administration to come and help us. >> our thanks to vaughn hillyard for that. these are people who voted for donald trump. they expected help from him. he promised it from scott pruitt. they are wonder where the help is. >> yeah. absolutely. i mean, this is an administration that's been distracted by scandal and hasn't been able to answer the questions that many of these voters trusted them to answer, and they say said would solve it in terms of the real problems. >> donald trump also ran on a platform of deregulation. it should no surprise scott pruitt is rolling back some of
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the regulations. that's what donald trump wants him to do and ran on doing. >> it's perplexing a voter would have voted for donald trump on aspirations of environmental betterment. that's not something he ever promised. another piece of this that's important is it raises questions about who scott pruitt is listening to. there's a lot of documentation that he's had meetings with people in the oil and gas base more than environmental advocates. >> there's a question mark about who we know he's been communicating with. politico has this new headline about questions on pruitt. where are his e-mails? that's an examination of epa agency head, scott pruitt's e-mail account uncovered only one message he wrote to anybody outside the epa during his first ten months in office. that's a number, number one, that has some watchdogs questioning whether he's actually communicating privately. >> right. it's possible. the likelihood of him only sending one e-mail since getting
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into this administration is really low, and to hear so many people recently in this week chant lock her up and bring up hillary clinton's e-mails at a recent trump rally when it could be there are people in the current administration behaving similarly and not being addressed is fascinating. >> betsy? ? it's rich. it's interesting the e-mail stories keep coming back. >> the epa says pruitt mainly holds discussions in person or over the phone. that's their explanation. we also want to note something else we're following into our news room now. big changes in the stock market. that's because of a trump tweet. the president tweeted just a little bit ago based on tariffs and trade barriers long placed on the u.s. and great companies and workers by the european union. if the tariffs and barriers are not soon broken and removed we'll place a 20% tariff on all
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cars shipped to the u.s. the stock market was listening. car makers, bmw, chrysler, general motors, stocks are dropping quickly now after that threat. this is donald trump getting on twitter saying something that is moving markets. >> this is what trade wars look like. this is what happens when you have retaliatory back and forths over products that are getting sold. this is something that republicans have been kedeeply concerned about. banging the drum about the fears they had about tariffs for months and months saying they support trump almost all the time but not on this. >> when we show the big board, the stock market is fine. the dow is up about 120. we're talking specifically about these car maker stocks. considering the president is threatening that tariff now on european cars coming in. >> absolutely. i think he has to stop and think about how this could directly impact the people who voted for him. there's an idea that only affects people in europe. there are more of those car companies actually made in the
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states than people realize. >> you know we're going to be following that story today. betsy and eugene, thank you for being with us on a show packed with a lot of news. we have today's big picture. for it we want to honor somebody who a lot of folks consider legendary in this business. he's photographed in his office back in 1984. he died last night after a battle with cancer at the age of 68. he was one of the most prolific commentators of his generation. on the page, on the screen, he was honored with a pulitzer three years after this photo was taken. in a heart breaking farewell note he said i'm grateful to have played a small role, and i leave this life with no regrets. would love to hear your thoughts on facebook, twitter, snap chat and instagram. i'll see your later next week own right back here monday
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morning. stephanie ruhle, watching the stock markets and battle at the border. lots going on. >> a lot to cover, my friend. thank you so much. good morning, everyone. i am stephanie ruhle. ali velshi is off. it is june 22nd nd. let's try to get a little smarter. >> very strong border. if we don't, you'll have millions and millions of people and look what's happening today looked like child's play. given this immigration mess. it was made worse by all the different contradicting and contradicting laws that have been passed. they're extremists, open border democrats. people are suffering because of the democrats. we need votes from the democrats or nothing can pass. >> they want us to take care of bed space and resources and personnel and take everybody. you know, like let's run the most luxurious hotel in the world for everybody. >> it hasn't been good, and the
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american people don't like the idea that we're separating families. we never really intended to do that. >> if you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. and that child may be separated from you as required by law. >> maybe i can find another bible verse to twist and wrench from the proper context. >> she says authorities told her she was only going to be separated from her son for 48 hours. it's been nine days and she has no idea where he is. >> these aren't our kids. show them compassion. it's not like he's doing this to the people of idaho or texas. these are people from another country, and now people are saying that they're more important than people in our country who are paying taxes and have needs as well. >> they walk through mexico like it's walking through central park. >> i cried last night when i heard the babies


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