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my thank to all of my friend who kept me company on this frolicking romp on a friday. that does it for our hour i'm nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now. hi, chuck. >> how are you doing, nicolle? you are banking extra time with me. >> you just scooched it. now it's seven, eight, nine. >> it's all on me now. i have been impressed. two in row. >> happy friday. >> happy weekend. if it's friday, it's borderline chaos. tonight, leading questions. president trump blasts undocumented immigrants. >> these are really hard core criminal aliens. >> but tells republicans don't bother trying to solve the issue for now. will anybody in the gop take the leadership reigns? plus, the central issue, why are so many of the migrants
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coming here from central america? the closer look at the starting point of this border crisis. and jacket flak. the first lady's mystifying fashion statement. >> they could only focus on one thing, jacket. >> it won't like i grabbed it out of the closet by mistake. >> it turns out a lot of people do care. do you? this is "mtp daily," and it is start right now. ♪ good evening i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." we begin tonight with what you might call a lack of leadership. the president instituted a policy that was widely condemned. misled the public about why he instituted it. falsely claimed he couldn't do anything about it. blamds his opponents as he tried to fix it. then he claimed the other side wasn't interested in addressing the issue for political reasons. as he told his side to give up his effort to address the issue for political reasons.
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today, he continued to demonize the people that his policies target. does any of that get us any closer to actually addressing this country's immigration issue? folks it's been a bad week for the president and his party on this issue. if the administration's zero tolerance policy at the border led to the separation of 2,000 kids. the administration says roughly 500 have been reunited so far. while the administration backtracked on this aspect of its immigration policy the president is doubling down on his immigration ideology which is perhaps summed up by the president's recent comments that we are dealing with an infestation of criminals. this afternoon at the white house he showcased families whose children have been killed allegedly by illegal immigrants. before we show you some of the president's comments we should note there is evidence from both government statistics and several prominent studies that show immigration, illegal or
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legal does not invoice violent crime rates and violent crime rates are lower among immigrants, illegal and illegal than it is of those born this the united states. here is the president talk with parents of people who about killed allegedly by the illegal immigrants. >> these are about american citizens permanently being separated from their loved ones. permanently the word you have to think about. permanently. they are not separated for a day or two days. they are permanently separated. we want people in our country based on merit not based on a draw, where other countries put their absolute worst in a bin and they staurt start drawing people i always hear no the population is safer than the people that live in the country. you are heard that. i hear that so much. is that possible? the answer just not true. you hear they are better people than what we have as our citizens. that's not true. >> so the president referenced
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statistics to try to back up his argument. two have been fact checked before. one was false, the other lacked context. we could not fine a source for the third claim having to do with the number of americans that he claimed allegedly were kill by illegal immigrants. in the typical metro area the immigrant population has gone up by more than 100s between 1980 and 2016 yet violent crime has gone down 36%. murders down 40%. all of this is according to journalists who studied fbi is census data. then there is the incarceration rate among native born americans, which is nearly double that of legal immigrants. the president wasn't shy about his strategy right now. his meeting at the white house came just hours after he basically told his party stop it. quote, republicans should stop
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wasting their time on immigration until after we elect more senators and congressmen and women in november. elect we will pass the finest and best immigration bills anywhere in the world. let's bring in our panel. shauna willis. george and maria teresa comb ar. george, let me start with you. the president this morning says stop it with immigration. then he does this event in the afternoon essentially saying let's politicize it more. but let's not deal with the problem. >> first of all, they don't legislate in congress anymore. >> fair enough. >> they don't vote on things. >> they are elected pundits. 435 of them. >> so he is telling them to stop doing something you weren't going to do anyway. second. in a way he is exercising leadership. his base likes what he is doing. and a good many others do. which means millions of americans are pleased by this.
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could i give you a little rant on the subject of zero tolerance? >> yes. >> any policy, anywhere on any subject at any time that is based on zero tolerance of x is going to fail. because the whole point of zero tolerance is to make it unnecessary, indeed, impossible to think, to exercise judgment. all over the country it's now summer, and 12-year-old kids are setting up lemonade stands all over the country to sell 25 cent shots of lemonade and police are showing up or other government enforcers to say you didn't pay for your business license and shut it down. >> but they are not doing that you are saying, they are showing judgment. >> it happens. >> happened a couple of times. >> a kid in maryland did what a little boy will do. he is 7 years old. he had a wreck tang lumbar breakfast pastetry, chewed it into the shape of a gun, was
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suspended from school. what you are seeing right now is judgment institutionalized. end of rant. >> fair enough. ran over. the leadership issue. >> i think there is something to be said for is he a leader if he is pitting the pain of the people who lost their children, lost their family members in what seems to be violent crime which is a valid thin to talk about with the pain of parents and kids who are being ripped apart and trying the use either one of those for political gain is not leadership. it's just not. and i do agree with mr. will that yes there are people in his base who do appreciate what's trying to do. and i don't think talking about immigration or being harsh on immigration is necessarily a bad thing. but how we do it and whether we can show compassion about it and -- neither of these parents in either of those issues is right or wrong. they both have valid concerns.
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how you do this and what you say about it is actually very, very important. >> political pawns in this process. >> that's what president trump does very well is actually create political pawns and make strong man arguments in order for him to advance his base. the reason he is trying to politicize immigration though is he realized during the primary they basically nothing with the tax. the recent primaries they were hoping that the tax reform was going to rally the base. it did not. instead they ran 14,000 ads of illegal immigrants and that rallied the base most recently. he realize ares that one of the only things that actually will bring out the base. the problem is i was at the border two days ago in mcallen. i witnessed a stream of vans coming in full of families. and then the vans would come back empty. it's chilling. the story you are hearing on the ground, with grassroots organizers we were there witnessing 20 children in a room
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crying themselves to sleep because they couldn't be soothed. this is not write. >> should we be treating it as a are of gee tries crisis. >> it is. >> we have two different classes of people trying to come in right now. >> exactly right. >> those people looking for economic improvement of their lives, those are migrants. then there is people running in fear, rate? the haitians were refugees where i grew up in miami when they came over. they were escaping, you know, fear. so is that a part of issuely, we are not classifying it correctly. >> the challenge is he has convoluted everything and everybody's hair is on fire. i say we have three issues. we have to solve the 1 million that have been lig here in the last 10, 15 years. get them out of the shadows and have the conversation how to did that. yes we need border enforcement and then we have to have a conversation on future immigration flows. what is happening at the border is talking about the refugees. families are transversing three to four countries trying to save
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themselves. with this children. >> the more you look at it, the more you look at it, it's always been under duress. we don't have a good policy because it's always been written under do you remember he is. the hon do you rememberians, the cubans. on and on. >> the moral point of view should be someone from el salvador or guatemala or honduras is presumptively a refugee not just someone seeking economic gain. >> well -- >> i did -- >> oh. >> no. go. >> we can't think that this administration is actually going to do any programs to help out in el salvador or in honduras. . sof this has been dabbled with in previous administrations. unless the united states is willing to go in and say how do we help so your people don't have to come further north then we are still going to have this problem. >> right. when we talk about the
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immigration crisis, there is no crisis with immigration. since 2008 it's bet net neutral. the people that are coming in right now are because they have root causes right now in central america that we are not addressing. i would like to remind the audience it was an issue that we exported. the gangs that were created came out of los angeles. they were basically indoctrinated in los angeles. we shipped them off to countries that were vulnerable and basically helped create a criminal system that didn't exist before. >> if the president has a metabolic urge to build a wall he should build it not on 1700 miles across the our southern border but 500 on the guatemalan mexican border. >> how do we get mexico to help us out? is it to up are up nafta? i'm being facetious. his tiles. mexico doesn't care. if you keep treating them that
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way mexico is going to say yeah, go right ahead. >> he is doing this in the midst of an interesting election campaign in mexico. whoever wins it -- i think we know who is going to win it -- is not going to have any debt owed. indeed he is going to have a mandate to be difficult to mr. president trump. >> vice president biden went down to mexico and came up with an agreement after the first surge happened under president obama in 2014. there was an agreement. those bets are all off because we are not engaging with our allies on how to deal with international incidences. >> the president continues to try to paint this as a criminal problem. i want to put together -- we put together -- at any point he continues to put this in just a crime issue. listen, shauna. >> they could be murderers and thieves, and so much else. >> you will have kills, you will have murders, you will have this. you will have that. you will have crime.
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they endanger all our children. we have to maintain toughness or our country will be overrun by people, by crime. they are drug traffic he is, they are human traffickers. they are coyotes. i mean we are getting some real beauties. >> you can go all the way to the beginning of our history we always seem to find a way to classify a new group of people who are coming into our country as criminals, thieves, murderers. i think at one time southern italians were referred to as the mongrelization of america. it's been worse than some of this language but this is familiar to our history. >> it is to make them feel like they are unworthy to be here. it is to make them feel like you do not belong in this situation. i think it's worth noting that he isn't saying anything he hasn't said before. i realize that montage was from basically this week. >> monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday. >> every day this week. >> it could have been any monday
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or any tuesday? in 2016, it could have been. i will say this, he is consistent. this is -- no one should be surprised that this is what this government is doing. >> george, tin weird thing about the fact that we have sustained this sort of nativist streak that's happening in one part of the republican party, the economy is good. usually, the nativists rise up when the economy is shaky. >> the economy is so good that there are more jobs available than there are jobless, which is to say we need immigrants. not just immigrants in the agriculture sector, where they are constantly needed. if mr. trump is going to build his wall along our southern border he is probably going to have to do it with illegal immigrant labor that's how short construction labor is in this country. >> the fear is some of these folks don't want to come in temporarily to do the picking because there is fear. >> one of the biggest pieces that i heard from mcallen was that their economy is down because people that would pass the border just to do everyday
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commerce suddenly cannot. last year target's ceo said their sales were down 11 at the border stores. it's impacting the economy. >> it is the paradox of border enforcement. time was for decades people would go over and come back. >> exact three. >> then we sealed the border. if we can't go over and come back, we are going to stay here because we can't come back. >> then it only creates more demonization of what's on the other side. the other fact is we do have this gang issue. is there a way of separating it out. the gang issue is so small. it's so minuscule. i think we have to be rough on them but -- >> can we separate it. >> he doesn't -- >> we know he doesn't, but is there a clean way to separate it out by government. >> inthere is. i think we have those mechanisms. the reason that trump started his campaign basically classifying mexicans as criminals and as rapists is because he was basically sounding a dog whistle.
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latinos are the second largest group of americans in this country. they are the ones who face the potential of having an incredible voting bloch. he was sending a dog whistle around the country saying our country is changing quickly. most leaders would say let's embrace the change and be prepared for that future. >> as media, if we seem to be pushing the gang issue aside -- because it is an important issue in some of these places. you talk to pete king, people up in new york they are worried. >> it's even in virginia. it is not a made up problem but it's also not part of the immigration issue. >> it's not part of the immigration issue but we don't want to just dismiss it, because then we are just the liberal media who just dismiss it. up ahead we will look at the desperate situations these migrants are experiencing in their home countries in central america. o the street when you barely clip a passing car. minor accident-no big deal, right?
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welcome back. so why are so many migrants still trying to cross the border despite up were's zero tolerance policy? gang violence and poverty are so rampant in places in central america and the governments are so unstable and incapable of handling it that people are willing to may be this dangerous trek to walk across mexico to get here. how is the trump administration trying to address the root problem? right now we have an ambassador for up with of those three countries, guatemala. and president trump suggested this week he actually wants to cut off the foreign aid of these
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countries where we are getting these asylum seekers. >> i'm going to go very shortly for authorization that when countries abuse us by sending their people up, not their best, we are to the going to give any more aid to those countries. why the hell should we? why should we? >> here's the rub. the u.s. has an outsized role in why these countries are as unstable as they are today. where did ms-13 originate? this country. where is the demand for narcotics coming from? this country. and who engineered in overthrowing guatemala's government decades ago? you know the answer to that one. this country. that's just the start of it. those are some of the root causes of our latin america policy issues i'm joined by jason marzak. welcome to the show. >> thanks, todd. we spend a lot of time on the border. but this has been a five-year
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issue now where we have seen this increase in migration from central america. things haven't been stable in central america it seems my entire lifetime. you look at daniel ortega and you are like i thought he was gone, now he is back again. i read there is one city trying to secede, to cover themselves. how unstable are these countries? start with guatemala. >> first of all three countries. guatemala had a civil war for over 30 years. you mentioned going back to 1954 and the united fruit company. and that civil war, 200,000 died. it didn't end until the 199 0s. >> a definition of a war torn country. >> that's recent. definition of a war torn country. el salvador. from 1989 to 1992. significant deaths, peace accord is not signed until the 1990s. again, el salvador is reeling
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from recuperating from that decade-plus of civil war. >> then there is honduras which i guess of the three feels the most stable right now? >> honduras -- yes, but honduras also had an incredibly contested election late last year where the oas questioned the election results and it took quite some time until the president hernandez was actually designated to be the next president. but there are a number of different irregularities in honduras. those three countries at our center we have been focusing on doing studies and looking at how to we provide better conditions in those countries to convince people to stay. people don't want to leave if they don't have to leeb. >> what could be done? look, i feel as if that we have had -- every administration in my lifetime, i grew up in miami and it amendment is like every other year we were getting refugees from a latin american country deal with a political crisis at any moment in time. you have the various
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neighborhoods in miami that represent these various points time. it's been this instable. a lot of it is frankly an abdication of american leadership. presidented are drawn into the middle east, asia, drawn into europe. latin is always i'll get to it later. get to it later. we are paying the price of getting it to later. >> paying the price. this is us the administration that cares so deeply about the region. our center cares deeply about the region. we are paying the price. the u.s. ramped up efforts in 2014. that was the last time we had major media focus on the region when you had 250,000 unaccompanied minors crossing the border. at that time $750 million was approved through congress. that funding continued for the last few years. >> but the president is threatening to get rid of it. >> threaten. last year his original budget request was to reduce the fending to the three countries,
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congress in the end appropriated funds similar to what we have seen in the past. >> what is it that we could do. i have to say okay, it is like who are we giving the money to? do we trust daniel ortega. >> the money goes to part this comprehensive strategy. there is a number of different mechanisms that ensure the transparency of the money. congress has put in place a number of thing that governments have to abide by in order to actually receive that funding. so the fun is not going directly to the governments. the money is going through the u.s. agency for national development and other things. >> what should do money do first? security? what is it that that money needs to go to now that could actually begin to give people hope that it's worth staying? >> it is a three legged stool. if you take out one leg the whole stool falls down. that mean need to address
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security, needs to address rule of law and governance and economic development. without those three key pillars people are going to -- the situation will continue to worsen in these three countries. >> who is a partner in latin america that would be a partner with the made to? is it the new leadership in colombia that could help? obviously our relations with mexico are not great considering the leader to leader. is there a way that the western hemisphere sort of gets to the that can help so that maybe el salvador doesn't want just to have the american boogie man helping them but it is the entire hemisphere helping them. >> in 2014 they began to implement a southern border program on the mexican/guatemala border to prevent migrants come across from guatemala. asylum elections in mexico have
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been double the u.s. applications. colombia has been helpful. the u.s. has had diplomat strategy in colombia called planned colombia. >> our relations with that -- it's building is, the colombia model seems to be the one model that worked. and it was bipartisan. it moved from clinton to bush to obama. nothing seemed to change there. and it look like at least this is in the mike pence portfolio? >> yeah. yeah. the vice president has taken a couple of trips down to the region. he will be going back to the region again next week actually to brazil to ecuador and to guatemala. >> do the leaders of these countries think this is a problem that their people are fleeing or do they look at it as fine, it's less people i have to worry about. >> the people that are leaving these countries are some of the most outstanding citizens. these are the people that are so incredibly motivated to make their lives better. >> milled class.
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>> they are making this treacherous journey north. they don't want to be separated from their family or separated from their loved ones. they have to because they can't walk out their front door. >> jason marzak thanks for bringing more attention and more education to the audience about the root cause. up ahead, the jacket. the jacket that everybody else seems to care about. i didn't want to have an opinion. i still don't. but why does everybody else? what is going on? what is the obsession with this jacket? we'll be right back. etting help etting help from some unexpected friends. these zebra and antelope. they're wearing iot sensors, connected to the ibm cloud. when poachers enter the area, the animals run for it. which alerts rangers, who can track their motions and help stop them before any harm is done. it's a smart way to help increase the rhino population. and turn the poachers into the endangered species. ♪ ♪
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welcome back. "tonight, i'm obsessed with" everyone else's obsession with the first lady's let's admit, bizarre, perplexing, forehead smacking fashion statement. i didn't care but a lot of people did. i'm trying to figure out why. a green rain coat with the words scrawled on the back i really don't care. do you? she might not have really cared. but a lot of people really did. >> the media, they can only focus on one thing, what melania was wearing. >> her jacket. >> jacket. >> the jacket. >> jacket. >> jacket. >> it's a jacket. >> what is happening? >> who knows, she might have just thrown it on. >> it wasn't like i grabbed it out of the closet by mistake. >> so it was a message. >> obviously it was not intended to show any sort of message. >> did it mean this or did it mean this.
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>> this was or this was not a message. >> was it aimed at somebody in her family or aimed at somebody else. >> we are all kind of obsessed with it. >> no. we are not. we can debate whether her choice was appropriate. the she was referencing anything at all, what was she referencing? the media, society, the kids? perhaps there is like laurel andiany and gold dress and blue dress thing. each opinion is right yet how collectively wrong. or maybe our eyes were playing tricks on us. i see you, younger woman, wait, now i see the older woman. i don't think it makes a good motto. we'll be right back. 2 diabetes puts me at greater risk for heart attack or stroke. can one medicine help treat both blood sugar and cardiovascular risk?
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this year. he tweeted, quote republicans should stop wasting their time on immigration unless we elect for senators and congressmen in november. they are playing games and not doing anything to solve this decades old problem. it may be a major issue at the ballot boggs this november. it may be trump. fear of immigration, revulsion of treatment at the border. let's bring the panel back. shauna thomp, george will, moo rhea theresa cojimar. politically, the president is not wrong. this is terrible for the republican party. this issue has been on the verge of breaking the party. they don't have the votes. why have a fight between the essentially moderate win and the grasz roots wing before november.
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>> he forced the issue. they didn't have to have this fight. they basically decided they weren't going to deal with the daca issue even though they had sort of tried to do that before. and it hadn't really come up that much in these midterm elections other than in places like california and other states. doing this forced the issue. and then writing an executive order that supposedly rolleds -- rolls back the issue he forced still has a 20 day time limit on it between being able to separate kids from their parents. i don't know -- i personally don't think congress is necessarily going to get it together to do comprehensive immigration reform in the next 20 days. that's not going to happen. >> i think they will pass this little protection thing. >> if they don't, it is another issue in the election. >> right. looking number one issue when you poll voters continues to be health care, george. you know, immigration is sort of -- it's important to -- it's deeply important to a small group of people but it's not the largest issue that people are
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thinking about going to the polls. i sort of question whether this is the right strategy. >> i do, too, four months is forever in american politics these days. this issue, this episode at the border could seem as distance as the punic wars by the time people vote in november. let the record knows what is going to happen between now and then. >> it's clear that the med rat republicans, jeff denham, mike kaufman in colorado. yesterday, fire steven miller. that was his -- you heard mark sanford saying just because the president says it's over doesn't mean we can't try to do this. you have about 20 to 30 incumbent republicans that need a vote on daca badly. >> they need it because it is their constituency. that is where they are making a miscalculation. trump wants a wave of trump people in congress.
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>> i think he wants like minded republicans. >> exactly. like minded republicans. we poll traditionally on health care. i bet you he is recognizing among his base that will assure voters in november this anti-immigration piece is resonating with them. and that is what he is betting on. >> what is going to be interesting is one of the counter-factuals here shauna, let's say the republicans hold the house and hold the senate. i think immigration will be the explanation. it won't be -- maybe a little bit of overreaching on impeachment perhaps. if it is democrats then have to have this conversation, wait a minute, have we messed up immigration messages. >> that is an interesting counter-factual. but i think what the democrats would do in that situation is they may double down further. they may try to activate the base f. activating people who care about daca and peep who care about not splitting families doesn't then it's
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probably that democratic messages wasn't good not because there isn't a way to sell this. but i think george's point about will this still be a real issue by november? i mean we are not talking about guns anymore. you know, two months ago you would be saying this is going to be the biggest issue of 2018. >> immigration really is -- it depends on where you live. i mean in texas immigration pops up higher than it does in other parts of the country. the health care thing is, you know -- >> universal, for everybody. >> it's been universal. we don't have to cover it and it's still the number one issue. >> right. >> i don't think most americans are angry. i think most normal americans are exhausted and embarrassed. >> that's right. >> and i think the border emwears they will. he is -- embarrasses them. that's where immigration has been a salient issue in the sense that america looks weird at the moment. >> a values issue. >> values. and as you said voters want stability.
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they are tired this pendulum president that every day feels like the house is on fire and want some calm. because of that i think it actually gives the democrats more of a win come november. >> you put it out that there were tons of ads run. >> 14,000 ads. >> were those primaries? >> primaries. so it was right after -- >> it was about differentiating republicans as well. >> right. they started running those ad right after lamb won. wait a second, tax is not working? let's pivot to anti-immigrant ads. >> i think more of those ads will come as we get closer to october and november because those are visceral. people can either hate or love those in a way that health care doesn't make for great ads. >> the national park service approved a white nationalist part -- >> last year during the governor's race the entire end of the campaign by ed gillespie
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was on ms-13. >> it didn't work. >> when you asked voters what was the number one issue they said health care, george. all the advertising was what you just described. ves r visceral and it had nothing -- it didn't move a vote. >> maybe it turned some people off. >> right, it could have been been a reverse. >> it also brought in a slew of candidates that were not part of the system before. they went completely local, started talking about the tolls on their local roads. and that actually gave a different swell. most people would say that north rum wasn't exactly the most exciting candidate but it was a down ballot group of individuals that really basically resonated with the virginia population. >> does anybody believe there is any result in november that would actually provide the opportunity to do a compromise, democratic house, 50/50 senate trump. is that enough to get a compromise on immigration? or there is no way trump wants to do it in the first term.
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>> a divided government is when compromise right side mostant to happen. it might be a small probability but a probability. it is a necessary, but not a sufficient condition. >> my guess would be who are his advisors. >> no. no. i don't think there is really the appetite without a wave in one -- like president trump's red wave or everyone else's blue wave. >> can a singular party -- >> they couldn't do it for dreamers. couldn't do comprehensive immigration reform under obama. at least in the senate there was some will to do that. >> give one party an issue like this, it never ifly takes. >> that's true. >> isn't that the lesson from health care? >> right. you have to make sure that you are able to rope certain folks in in order for it to count. >> maybe in the lame buck session you get something on
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fund-raiser for senator dean heller. heller is probably the most vulnerable republican up for re-election in the united states senate. he is the only incumbent running in a state carried by hillary clinton in 2016. on monday, president trump and vice president pence will go to south carolina to campaign for governor henry mcmaster. he was one of the first statewide officials to back trump during his presidential primary campaign. the president might be risking some political capital but he has a favor to return. finally, president trump will be the in north dakota on wednesday. the republican in the race complained president trump has not done enough for his campaign and instead has done photos with his opponent. he will be in the flesh with him next week.
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. welcome back. we were sad to hear last night that conservative icon pulitzer prize winning columnist and friend of meet the press charles crowd hammer died at the age of 68. he started his career was a psychiatrist. here he is on meet the press in the recall days of the clinton administration. >> charles crowd hammer what happens to a president whose foreign policy is being so roundly criticized? what happens to his domestic agenda which he is trying to move simultaneously? >> well, this already was a weak administration. i had a weak mandate in the election last year. it had a lot of trouble passing its budget. it squeaked bye-bye one vote in the house and in the senate. now in foreign policy it has lost a lot of credibility. and look what is happening. his problem not the republicans. it's democrats. the person who is undermining him on somalia in the congress is robert byrd, a senator of his own party. >> the "washington post," where
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crowd hammer was a columnist for decades called him an intellectual provocateur. his critiques targeted democrats and republicans alike but he spent the last months silent fighting cancer. he write a poignant farewell later writing quote i leave this life with no regrets it was full and complete where the great loves and endeavors that make life worth living. i am sad to leave but i leave with the knowledge that i lived the life that i intended. i'm joined by his friend and colleague george will to give us more perspective on charles. george, put his importance -- put his importance in the ecosystem this town and of america in some perspective. >> he was tremendously intelligent. so much has been said about charles without focusing on the obvious thing. tremendous intelligence, refined at three great universities, miguel, oxford, and harvard.
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he necessarily entered the town whenever he entered the conversation. >> it is that civility. it's interesting watching i think all of us sort of mourn his passing. that is, he is a breath of fresh air on civility. >> well, he had suffered a lot, obviously. he was in pain lot. as i think your viewers know he was in a wheelchair. he had broken his neck in a diving accident at age 22. nevertheless went through harvard medical school. changed careers mid treatment and flourished in his writing career as he would have in medicine. >> they would read his columns and see him on a gronski and company in his early days and oh, that's not modern television yet he broke through. the way you break through. because he wasn't a sound byte. he was a thought.
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and it was a thought that you knew was years in the making before he uttered it. >> television is survival of the briefest. charles wasn't always brief. but you know, if you get two minutes in television is forever. and he could make good use of television's two minutes because he made good use of his 800 words in a column. >> unfortunately, he was signed with fox for my period here at nbc. but i did get to see him quite a bit at nationals' games. he was i think a section over. you would see him over there. that's a passion the two of you shared. where did he pick up his baseball passion? >> he picked it up early, in canada, where he grew up. he spent a lot of time -- spent the summers in the united states. and he was a great baseball fan. one of his most wonderful columns was about a cardinal rookie richer named rick an
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keel. >> let me you put up a full screen of something he wrote. about rick an keel. there can be redemption and a touch of glory. the katd that awaits everything from a single wrong move, failings encounter, every life has such a moment. what distinguishes us is whether and how we can ever come back. >> rick couldn't miss. suddenly and inexplicably he couldn't throw strikes. he threw five wild pitches in one game n a playoff game, and his career spiralled downhill. and then came back. he reinvented himself after his accident as an outfielder. didn't make it all the way back. got to the big lesion but didn't have a great career. >> but proved he can do it. >> charles said look these things happen. you can dive into a pool and break your neck as charles did. you can lose something. the question is, what happens next? that was the moral and the
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importance of charles' life. >> he was a big season ticket holder. a big fan of the gnats. last night they did him right. they had a moment of silence for him at nationals park last night. and then the nats tweeted one of baseball's greatest fans, charles crowd hammer passed away as a result of lung cancer they tweeted he will be loved and missed here at nationals park. that just felt right. i have a feeling he is going to be at the all-star game with us. what yung? >> i hope so. >> i hope so, too. george i'm sorry for your loss. i know he was a close friend. we'll be right back. [ roar ] ♪ run! oh! i have to see this. ♪ holy!
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in case you missed it, i hope you know if it's sunday it's meet the press. we don't want you to miss it this sunday. we talk about the crisis on the bore doctor, the president's playing games and what it means for the mid terms. exclusive speaker vaus with angus lane and the senator from oklahoma. don't miss it. we will go deep into this issue. we will be back monday with more "mtp daily." the beat with ari melber starts right now. i hope they are ready to go. >> thanks to chuck todd there. i want to mention that was an interesting final discussion about the late charles crokraut hammer. you are watching the beat. it is friday night.
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there is a lot of news, including this. the trump administration getting busted for plans for detention camps on military bases. we are learning how the trump administration is plotting to punch back after the president partly folded on the border cries thinks week. a secret memo leaking. it exposes plans for new detention camps for over 100,000 migrants at military bases across the country. it reveals the president's state of mine saying plans for an immigration reform bill next week are a waste. i have this story coming up. plus a fox whistle blower will join me to talk about what he calls propaganda that's hurting our democracy. we begin with one of the stranger hail mary as we have ever seen. michael cohen is locking arms with one of trump's celebrity enemies. this move comes amidst a new ruling tonight in the fed's


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