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republicans take another crack at an immigration about ilthis wee. dhs reveals that 2,053 kids, but most of their parents have already deported or left the country. what happens to the children left behind? police in texas say a migrant child is currently missing from the shelter in bruinsville. not clear if he was separated from his family or not or crossed into the u.s. unaccompanied. this is coming as questions are being raised about migrant children who are detained at the border. new numbers released indicate that more than 500 kids he offer no timeline on how long it's
going to take to reunite them with their family. i'm going to start with gabe gutierrez who is in brownsville, texas, who has been covering this story. talk to us about what you know so far. it's a developing situation at the moment. >> hi, yasmin. in the past few minutes we can give clarity. according to a source with direct knowledge, it happened around 4:30, police say they got this call there was a child that ran away, according to a sort with direct knowledge, we know there was a child that was in the process of being reunited in the process with his parents. they were trying to reuneed hem with his father, the man they called his father, but there was a discrepancy with the dna test. while that was being sorted out, this young boy literally ran away from the shelter. that's when the search crews came here to try to find him.
there's a pond right next to the shelter, and search crews were brought in. however this boy was not found. we can tell you, though, from the source with direct knowledge that the boy is now believed to be in mexico en route back to honduras. so this is raising questions about how the boy was able to leave the shelter. we can tell you we got a statement from southwest key, which runs this shelter, a nonprofit, and says it's a licensed child care center, if a child attempts to leave, we cannot restrain them, we are not a detention center. we talk to them to try to get them to stay. if they leave the property, we cause law enforcement, and they confirm the 15-year-old left yesterday. >> unbelievable. it does beg the question, as um, the security that they have for these kids.
thyme you so much. i want to go to caliperry, who is standing by for us in tornillo, texas. >>. >> that protest wrapped up, partly because the -- in the sun it's far, far worse. we heard some rousing speeches, really the theme of the day, of course, was to reject president trump's policy not only of splatting minors out from families, but these detention facilities we're learning so much about. specifically the detention facilities behind me. we nods there's some 250 to 270
kids in there between the ages of 14 and 18. really the protest symbolic of the week we have seen in which time and time again, local and national elected officials have tried to get in, but haven't been able to. senator udall just got in yesterday for the first time, but he was disappointed about what he was told. i asked him, what is the plan? he said, i asked that to the officials inside that compound and the answer was shocking, . that he would have to check bulk in a week. >> considering the fact these are all children and another week that will go by without them being reunited cal, thanks
very much. find a cool place. while stripping away their trial rights, today the president tweeted in part this -- when somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no judges or no court cases, bring them back from where they came. the house is scheduled to vote early this week on a so-called compromise immigration bill. there are reports that republican lawmakers are preparing a narrower bill that would allow kids to stay in facility with their parents more than 20 days. that's part of the flores judgment we have talked about the last week or so i want to read this trump wee in full i'm gov to have you weigh in. >> that's not saying anything that's slightly legal, but let's go. >> we cannot allow all these
people to invade our country. we must immediately with no judges or court cases bring them back from where they came. our system is a mockery to good policy and law and order. most children come without parents. in a way, i'm without words. this is why we have a justice system in this country. >> donald trump does believe in this thing call the u.s. constitution exists if you are a brown person. the thought should be if you can put your hand, if you with grab american soil, then some part of our constitution should apply to you, and trump simply does not believe that to be the case. so that's why he's on twitter, that's why i don't know where the republican party is on this. that's why so many seem to be okay with him stripping away really basic constitutional protections to anybody if they -- if they happen to be coming to this country. >> is he addressing the asylum
seekers? >> he doesn't know what he's addressings. he has no ability to distinguish an asylum seeker from a legal immigrant from an illegal immigrant. >> or a u.s. citizen who happens to look mexican. >> he thinking they're all the same. >> one of the thing trump has an issue with is he ran on immigration. if you remember him coming down the escalator -- >> oh, we do. >> he -- roll it, we have can cued it up. go ahead. sorry. >> he every rally, build that wall. >> and mexico is going to pay for it. >> i realize that, but what i'm trying to say, my point is he is in a slippery slope, where he has an absolute mess, and not just a mess with immigration a humanitarian mess. these are children. look, there are republicans,
there are republicans that are like, i'm out of this. i mean, this is not right. i can't bear to see a tape where you have a mother sobbing about her child, but then you have trump. you have his immigration policy, you have build the wall, you have how he actually came -- his claim to fame, it was immigration, it was not economic -- >> it was also calling obama a birther. >> what i think some people argue, it's one thing to say we have problems with our borders, which i think everyone can agree. it is another thing to make it about race. it's another thing to make it about a humanitarian crisis. it's another thing to make it about our judicial system and basically nor go everything we no about our system in this country. >> the only sort of nonracist thing he's said or nonracist towards latinos that he said is we needed more people from norway. so it is very clear when trump talks about immigration, he is
talking about race. there is no understanding of policy or sovereignty or any sort of democratic argument that can be maid for how porous our borders should be -- >> don't you think this is where parties should work together and -- >> yes. >> for the children. >> at this point, republicans need to do a lot of soul-searching -- >> both parties. >> no, reps need to do a lot of soul-searching -- >> let's talk about the immigration bill, for instance, right? we have this more strict immigration bill, they'll be voting on it coming this week, but the only people that are debating this immigration bill and their shaping this immigration bill are the republicans. >> right. >> there's no democratic involvement whatsoever with regards to this immigration bill. >> here's my problem with the democrats. i don't great with noel that the democrats bear as much responsibility as the gop, but where i do have a problem is that for too long they've been playing the game of we don't
like immigrants either, we're just not as racist. that's not good enough. they need to make a positive case for why we need immigration, for why we need family unification. they need to make a positive case, and all they have is look at this racist guy, that guy is bad. we need more from them as well. >> i agree. >> i think we need to be where we are with the legality. we're debating everything that's been going on, and it's very tempting to do such a thing, but we also have 2,000 kids who need to find their parents right now. we have trump issuing this executive order then there's an even more narrow immigration bill in order to combat the flores agreement. it basically said that current cannot be held for more than 20 days. however if you have this family reunification, if you're keeping families together when they're crossing the border legally, that mean you can keeping them for more than 20 days.
>> and we have a program that can fix this -- >> in order to stick with the executive program. >> we had a program. we just need to bring it back. it was the family case management program. peel have started to talk about it again this week. it would allow people seeking asylum to be out on their own recognizance working with a caseworker. that program had a 99% success ratio of getting those people back into court when their hearing was up. trump canceled that program for no reason. it's not like we have to reinvent the wheel. we know how to handle some of these problems. trump has just pushed the overton window so far to the hard right kind of fascist version that now we're acting like what can we do? we literally had this problem relatively stabilized six months ago. >> go ahead. >> this should be fire underneath a republican and democrat to stay up until 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning, or work 24/7 to get something done for
the children, to put politics aside. this is a humanitarian issue, point-blank. these are children. the children didn't break the law. the children didn't even have a vote in this. these are parents that are not coming really to america to set up shop and open up restaurants. these are our people that are fleeing violence. when you're faced in a house with water coming at you, you're going to run this way. they're running. >> i have to go to a commercial. >> they have the senate, they have the without, it's on them to care for once and stand up. >> and we need the ds, too. >> to stand up. maybe we should wait to vote until we get even more control of the house, which is obviously not a guarantee. >> the only people that can stand up is his own party. we need them to displatly do that. >> and why it doesn't happen as quickly as you think, plus tears at the border, the photographer who snapped this picture was seen around the world is here to tell the story
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gianting me is denies gilman from austin school of law, and elie is still with me. john, this photo really defines the immigration problem that we have faced in this country, especially in the last six weeks or so. with the family separation put in place by the trump administration. you think about that -- i just talked about this with you off camera. you think the photo in the vietnam war and how icon wake, did you know what it would become? >> i knew it was important. i had been out with the border patrol all day long waiting for the moment when families were turning themselves in. i knew it would be impossible, but impossible to think or know it would have the impact and touch as many people as it has.
>> you received in backlash over the photo in general, in that this child was actually not separated from their family "the washington post" first reporting on that. what is your response to that? >> well, i have never claimed in the capital, ever, nor in interviews that they were separated. all i knew was that the mother was patted down, the child was crying, and they were taken to a facility, a processing center. at that processing center, many children have been separated from their parents, but i never said that, and i never would have, because i didn't know. what this picture does mean is that it has a lot to do with president trump's zero tool rants policy. that continues. >> i also see a child who is very scared of the fact that her mother's personal space is being violated by an individual that she doesn't know and who's probably been on a very long and arduous journey. >> that's right. they had come for a month on that journey. i spoke briefly with the mother,
and they had come from honduras, her little girl is 2. if anyone can imagine making that trip, riding train tops, walking long distance as an adult. try to imagine doing that with a child. >> i know you have represented a woman in detention who was separated from her two sons. they have since been reunited, but it wasn't an easy process for you nor for this family, that reunification. take me through the process. >> right. that's right. one thing that's important to understand is once the family are separated, the children go to the office of refugee resettlement shelters that we've been hearing a lot about. they're in custody there. the parents for the most part are going to immigration detense. the first is for the parent and child to find each other. that's been incredibly challenging. the second step is for them to communicate with one another, which for example, in the case
of jessica. the woman that i represented during the entire time she was in detention and her children were in detention, they were never able to communicate. it wasn't until the children were then released, and this does happen sometimes to other family, that finally she was able to communicate with them. she remained in adult immigration detention. that's the next piece that is important to understand. this is not just a question of logistics or bureaucratic questions of finding the children and automatically they'll be reunited. the government, i.c.e. sought to teach her in detention. they said they would not release her. we took it before a judge, and the judge set $12,500 in bond that we had to pay before she could be released and reunited with her children. the government was actively seeking to keep her in detention and separate from her children. luckily community outpouring was so great she was in fact ability
to be released. the community raised that bond. >> it's interesting, denise, in a way she was one of the lucky ones she had representation to help he navigate a process. >> right. >> how did she seek you hout? how are your legal bills paid for? i think so much of the issue here is the lack of resources, so many parents and they 2,000-plus children are going to have going through the process. >> that's really important. you're absolutely right, having a lawyer makes the difference. there is no government appointed council. they must find their own attorneys. i work for free, as a university immigration clinic, with law students. the law students were involved in this case. that was an opportunity that many do not have. all of the statistics show that the number of those successful in their bond cases are much, much higher with representation,
absolutely. i actually came to know of this case because of an old client that -- another clinic had represented many years ago, but if you don't have that contact with the legal community, it can be very, very challenging. >> we can't mavs enough the important of a lawyer. most people couldn't find their car keys through the government process if you didn't have a lawyer. what people don't understand is this is highlighting the difference between our sixth and seventh amendment. our sixth has the right to an attorney for a criminal prosecution, but our immigration system treats deportation as a civil offense, not a criminal offense, which then puts it under the seventh amendment, where there is no right to the attorney. so the way that our officials are able to get away with kidnapping people's children without process, without representation, without lawyers is because they're putting deportation as is civil offense, and they are not -- they are not extended the constitutional
right to counsel when it's a civil offense. it's a -- it's a disgusting loophole in our constitutional system. >> hey, john, how do you compare what you saw at the border versus other conflict areas in which you've covered as a photographer? >> well, over the years, whether it was iraq oar afghanistan or, saying, for instance ebola in liberia, i've seen a lot of sadness over time. with this particular photograph, it touched me very much personally. as a father myself, including a toddler, i, um, you know, i had to keep photographing even though i was very much emotional even in those few seconds of this photograph. so, you know when it comes to kids and kids in distress, which this little girl clearly was, it touches me very much personally. all right.
elie, john and denise, that i. jacob will be reporting on "dateline" tonight on sunday. over the past months he's traveled to thousands of miles on the border and talked to people on all sides, all with very different opinions about the border wall that president trump wants. the show called "the dividing line" airs tonight at 7:00 eastern. still ahead, access denied, a bipartisan group of mayors are denied entry at a government-run facility housing migrant teens. that's coming up next. ♪
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welcome back, everybody. the justice department says it needs help from the courts to keep parents and children together who cross into the u.s. illegally. lawyers asked a federal judge for an exemption to a 1997 consent decree that requires minors in immigration custody to be released within 20 days. the doj says it needs more flexibility to hold families until the conclusion of their immigration proceedings. mare yor garcetti will be watching that case in that it
was decided in hi state of california. thanks for joining me. >> thank you. i know you visited the border, talk to me about what you say. >> it was an amazing day. 14 mayors from across the countries, 14 mayor from across the aisle. i was truck just how unified americans have become and what a unified voice of outrage there was. republican mayors from fla together with democrats out west. it was one voight that we are the ones we know how to solve problems. we demand leadership and we need to unify these children with our families right away. we understand the impact of trauma. it is in our cities that these children are coming, we've seem them as unaccompanied minors, now as separated minors. every single day is another night of trauma for these
children. we have to find our hearts, first and foremost, and i was proud of the mayors saying we are ready to roll of our sleeves and work with the federal government. >> you feel it was a bipartisan effort on behalf of the mayors. however, it seems as if d.c. is very much broken and there's not a bipartisan effort going on at all. i want you to react to the tweet from the president earlier this morning. he says -- democrats, fix the laws, don't resist, we are doing a far better job than bush and obama, but we need strength and security at the border, cannot accept all the people trying to break into our country. he's pinpointing the democrats, and we know from the past week or so, the president thinking that the immigration problem that exists in this country is the democrats' problem. they're the reason why the immigration bills that they have brought forward have not been passed. >> look, the president is the
king of blame and the pauper of responsibility. he's somebody who always has a finger to point elsewhere besides the mirrors. every day mar yors have to accept the spoke responsibility for challenges in our cities. and while i love serves as a mayor, we speak the same language when it comes to real problems we solve. this president seems determined to create imaginary problems, not solve them, even though they're imaginary, and continue to spew the lies we have heard. i was there in tornillo, because that's where my grandfather passed in his mother's arms, when his father was killed in the war. what if he hadn't been able to volunteer and fight in world war ii, earn his citizenship and raise his son and daughter, my father who was what was the
first in the family to go to college. he figured out a way to get to our american dream. we haven't seen a single piece of legislation passed under this president, when 2 comes to immigration. he's failed, and yet he could be the solution if he wanted to step forward, not only to reunify these children more quickly, but to actually provide real leadership instead of imagined problems. mayor, quickly, i know that you have about 100 kids or so in los angeles that were separated from their parents. are you getting any help from the federal government in order to figure out a way to -- >> we're not. unfortunately we're not. we do stand ready. this is a moment we put down any partisanship to think about children first. let's find our hearts, let's find our souls. the local governments, whether counties or cities stand ready. we are assisting with legal counsel. we're asking agencies to bring the children in whether they need assistance, but the federal
government has not asked you to help with the uunification process, we have volunteers and city and county officials who would assist, but they seem to want to push it back into the shadows, and we're saying this is a way we could walk together, correct a wrong and get back to the table, the things you have said you're for, let's reunify these kids and get that job together. mayor, thank you for joining us. by the way, are you running for president anytime soon? >> no, i'm getting through 2018. i have some kids that are more urgent. thank you for asking. if i wanted -- >> i'll let you know next year if we do. coming up next, everybody, a party problem. the big split between lawmakers over immigration and what it means for the if you of the gop. that's coming up. most familiar , but we make more than our name suggests. we're an organic tea company.
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he's disregarding republican orthodoxy, yet you see on issue after issue actually the house and senate standing behind the president. >> i think a lot of people, republicans in the house and senate look at us with a favorability rating and long for the president's 40%. it makes it different for them to say let's stand up to the president. >> that was jeff flake explaining why so many refuse to go against president trump, but
in the wake of his policy resulting in the some are saying enough is enough. are they, though? they broke with the party tweetsing this. it is fully the party of trump, and laura bush also spoke out in an op-et on for woss -- this zero-tolerance pont is true, and immoral, though he does not renounce her membership to the party. joining news evan sig free and evan mullen 2016 independent presidential candidate. and nicole is also back with us.
it steam as if there's a bit of an identity crisis going on. the only people willing to speak out against any trump policy are people that have nothing to lose. paul ryan seems as if now he's starting to have an ink listen of -- but for the most part you see the jeff flakes, the bob corkers, who say i'm retiring, so on and so forth. do you agree with jeff flake that he's got a -- and there are the mark sanfords because they're outward and outspoken about the fact that they disagree with a lot of 9 policies. >> i wished i could say there's an identity crisis going on, but i don't see it exactly as that.
the president's approval ratings have never been higher. though i don't great with the president -- >> approval amongst the public. >> no within the republican party is historically high, even though his approval among the recent of the country has low and at times historically low. when 90% lines up with the party's president, that's a crisis, but that's what 9 on% of the party wants. now, 10 to 15%, depending on the week of the party are opposed to what's happening. they're losing, they lost out, but the president's party -- you need that ten to 15% to hold on to the house, to hold on to the senate. without us, without that 10% to
15 percent, your chances -- >> evan siegfried, do you feel -- first of all do you agree with evan that there's not an identity crisis. if in fact do you agree, is it more a crisis of thought i think we have shrunk as a party. we lost 23% of young republicans. and we are not seeing that attrition end. we're seeing more and more reps, saying i'm no longer a railroads. s. >> i like the guy, but i think he's absolutely -- >> what i mean is steve schmidt has noing to lose. he's not running for reelection. those are the people i wonder
about, the people who actually have something to lose in the midterm elections that are choosing not to speak out. >> elected members of congress if you speak out, you get a more trumpian-like figure in the party. there are many who are afraid to speak out, not that they're worried about trump tweeting them, but what does it do to the republican party in the long term. if they keep silent, thee -- >> what about the party in the long term when you support a policy that recommends -- or that enforces separating children from parents at the border. >> the republican party -- most republicans do not support that. look at ted cruz, one of the most conservative members of congress. he put out a bill which donald trump pooh-pooh'd immediately, which said let's increase immigration judges so we can deal with the baglog. >> but evan, 55% of the party supported the separation of families. it's terrible. >> it's immoral, absolutely. >> the quinnipiac poll from last
week shows a majority of republicans support the president's policy. 55% supporting the child separation policy. >> i think that's horrendous. i would like to meet the person who did the poll. i'd like to meet one of the people that answers that. i believe you, but i think it's horrible. i think what the republican party is faced with is when donald trump took the office, they had a -- the gop has been run by establishment for many, many years, and i think for the first time they actually had to look and see, are we going to continue with the old gray elephant, so to speak? or are we going to have a golden-crested elephant that fits the trump brand? i think what happened is you had a struggle of power, and i think what happened is the trump brand
won, it morphed and took over the establishment, so if you're not rank and file, and you do not go along with trump, you have two things that are going to happen. you're either going to be challenge indeed your primary, hurt in fund-raising, and the people speaking out are the people who are out. they are gone, so they can say whatever they want. >> i want to leave everyone with this. i'm a conservative and i have overwhelmably supported the president on the issues he attempted to advance, because i have spoken out on areas where we disagreed, he injected himself into the race to oppose me as he did. this suggests his concern was over personal loyalty rather than issue loyalty. >> yeah, i think that's true. you know, i think another race
to look at it the dean heller race in nevada. just this last week, trump was out there campaigning with senator dean heller, republican from nevada, a state that hillary clinton won by two percentage points. dean heller is someone who has spoken against the president's degradation of human beings in the past. again he's in a state that hillary clinton won, but he's campaigning with president trump in the same week that the country blew up in opposition, two thirds of americans in opposition to the trump separation of families. that dynamic shows you how powerful it is within the republican party and what a different position moderates like dean heller are in. >> i go the to wrap this, but thank you for joins me. etch mcmullen is sticking around. thanks, everybody. (vo) new purely fancy feast filets.
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executive order signed by president trump last week. they are now being released to go through the process of reunifying with their children. so hoping that happens soon. i'm sure you're seeing some happy people there that are going to be seeing their kids there that haven't seen their kids for some time. moving on the u.n. high commissioner for human rights is calling for the u.s. to withdraw its position from the u.n. human rights council. >> my hope is the u.s. would review its position and come back. we still have a lot of important work to do and yes, the u.s. does play an important role. >> so tuesday the trump administration announced it was pulling out citing what ambassador nikki haley cited the council's chronic bias against israel. writing, quote, you put yourself on the side of russia and china,
and opposite the united states on a key human rights issue. you should know that your efforts to block negotiations and thwart reform were a contributing factor in the u.s. decision to withdraw from the council. another example of the u.s. under president trump isolating itself from the world. sara, thanks for joining me. i'm going to start with you on this one. talk to me about the message this sends to the rest of the world when pulling out of the council? >> the u.s. has been trying to reform the council for the past year, but it hasn't gone fast and deep, and they have decided to walk away instead of seeing the reform effort under way until the end and it further isolates them from the rest of the world. this is not the first time they pulled out of a multilateral entity. and if you look at the overarching frame where we see where the u.s. is on human rights, we see a retreat across
the board. ambassador hailey said we're going to promote human rights on its own, but that's hard to see particularly when you see what president trump is doing at the borders. >> we are seeming more and more isolated pulling out of the paris climate acord and these gree gre agreements that we say we're going to go it alone. >> the most troubling is the integration into a pattern. it's been in the last couple of weeks, donald trump went in and pulled out of a routine g7 agreement. it was interesting to see nikki haley's statement about how disturbing she found it that these human rights groups were aligning themselves with china and russia and against the u.s. we spent the last two weeks aligning ourselves with north korea, china, and russia and against canada and great britain
and allies we have had for as long as we have had this republic. so to cap off a two-week spree of koez superintendenting up co feel that sends the worst message that the u.s. is not where it was in the world and we can't be counted on the way we used to be. >> the optics of it and the way it's happening in the immigration crisis with these 2,000 plus kids separated from their parents at the border. >> yes, there have long been problems with the council, they're disproportionately critical of israel because they have their own problems, yes. however we're pulling out because the u.n.'sle high commissioner for human rights criticized the united states for separation of families which is
an inhumane policy. we're taking our ball and bat and going home because we're being criticized. we ought to reevaluate our own policies, continue to try to reform the council, leaving it is not going to make it better, it's going to make it worse. under this leadership, it's about our own lack of commitment to human rights. >> talk to us about the point of the organization in the first place. >> this entity does an important job for the united nations monitoring human rights around the world. we've seen impressive work come out of the council, north korea, burma, syria, all of these things need focus and the u.n. helps to do that in an important way with the 47 members. it's not perfect, it's highly flawed. we too recommended reform to the human rights council but to
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that does it for me this hour, i'm yasmin vossoughian you can follow me on twitter. my colleague ayman mohyeldin picks it up from here. >> as expected immigration is going to be the center of our hour as well. a lot to break down this story and, of course, the hour that is dominating the headline is immigration. the debate over it continues. a sense of chaos in the process of reuniting parents and children and the question about how it's being done. protests continue around the country over the rescinded separation policy while the president pushes a new policy change stripping migrants of their legal rights. >> they want to hire now 5,000 more judges so the person puts the toe on the land we have to go to trial. this is crazy what we're doing. i don't want judges. i want border patrol, i want i.c.e. >> if that was too subtle, the president making it clear in tweets today that he wants no