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officials. i disagree with maxine waters but almost every other democrat has said let's not go this far skblr it's a great and civil conversation for which i am grateful. we appreciate you being here. that wraps up this hour. right now, more news with the always civil, kind, thoughtful hallie jackson, my friend. thank you. always, chris. thank you very much. chris jansen. i'm hallie jackson in washington where we are talking about a d.c. power grab. thing have it's coming from a guy who already has plenty of power. president trump is now pushing to upend the legal system, no due process, no judges, no court hearings for migrants cross-ing the border illegally and no unified plan it seems still to reunite migrant kids with their families. we're live on the ground more on that. plus, a live report on our exclusive nbc reporting. the secretary getting iced out.
we're talking about a dip in what's now a roller coaster relationship. but one relationship that has not gone south, the one with scott pruitt. another day, another investigation for the epa investigator. hans, the president support, he's tweet, he's continue to call for an end to court proceedings for undocumented immigrants. walk us through the latest in just the last hour or so. >> reporter: well, the president has explained and expounding on his argument for why he doesn't think that migrants should have any access eether to t -- eithee united states or to the courts. think of this as the costs to the physical wall. the president having a grail great deal of time building a wall, he wants to make sure there are no legal loopholes. there are great constitutional questions with that. here's what he tweeted just this morning. he said hiring many thousands of judges and going through a long and complicated legal process is not the way to go will always be
dysfunctional. people must simply be stopped at the border and told they cannot come into the u.s. illegally. children brought back to their country, if this is done illegal immigration will be stopped in its tracks and very little by comparison cost. this is the only real answer. we must continue to build the wall. all end caps. he's at odds with some members of his own party. senator ted cruz is talking about having more immigration judges down there. he twients creawants to increas, double it almost. president trump falsely mischaracterized it saying there's proposals out there for thousands of new judges. just internally inside the administration they recognize they need to do more for the legal process. why? they sent 21 dod pentagon lawyers down to the boarder to try to help with the processing. hallie. >> hans nichols there at the white house. see you in a bit my friend. i want to bring in danny sa vie yos in mcallen texas.
dan no, i, you have been in court with some of these migrants being processed. talk whether you're seeing any dirve today versus friday, what you're hearing from some of these defendants as they talk with the judge. >> reporter: we saw some defendants, not all, exercise thag their right of allocution which means they can get and you address the court at the time of their sentencing. not all did, most said that they had nothing to say. but many expressed an obvious interest in the least amount of jail time possible so they could ga get back to their families. nobody on court on friday openly said that they had been separated from their families, but several indicated they had families back in their home countries for which they were the sole provider and they had to get back to their families. but allocation had to be brief because there were 60 to 70 defendants. what i'm look for today is how many defendants will we see in the morning session for misdemeanors and in the afternoon session for felonies. >> can you talk through, danny,
given your legal background, your reaction to what the president is calling for and interpreted by a lot of folks in the end he has to due process for some of these people being prosecuted? >> reporter: constitutional rights are inefficient by nature, that's because it takes time and effort and resources to protect our individual liberties. so the notion of taking away the right due process, even for immigrants who come here is simply unconstitutional. they don't get the full range of constitutional protections but they do have a 5th amendment right to due process. >> i know you're heading into court so i'll let you do that. please check back with us throughout the morning. i want to bring in deputy director of the aclu's national immigrants right project. tom dupree, former deputy assistant attorney under george w. bush. also on set two reporters, nancy cook along with pbs news hour.
thank you all yofor being here. what do you see on behalf of the immigrants to end this due process for some of these folks? >> we're going to see unlawful deprivations of liberty. we're going to see people deport when'd she shouldn't be deported the we're going to see people sent back to danger, possibly be killed because there were no hearings and we couldn't determine whether they had valid asylum claims or other claims. and it's patently unconstitutional. the framers who enacted the 5th amendment used the word person, not citizen. that was deliberate. in other pards of the constituti -- parts of the constitution they used the word citizen. but they did not due process only to apply to citizens. it would be patently unconstitutional. these immigrants at the border are barely getting any due process at all to the take away
what minimal due process they could would be i think unthinkable in terms of a country that wants to provide basic rule of law process. >> tom, the supreme court, correct me if i'm wrong, has backed up the argument that lee is making here, whether or not you are documented when you come into this country, whether you're an undocumented immigrant, a migrant, you are still protected under that provision of the constitution? >> i think that's fair to say, but it's an open question about how extensive the due process questions have to be. it sounds like what the president is saying is, look, i don't want to have a robust trial-like procedure, i want to have expedited removal, i want to get people out of the country as quickly as i can. i think it's an open question it in terms of how far he can go. >> he said people must simply be stopped at the border and told they cannot come into the u.s., which doesn't necessarily sound like an expedite prod zbles it depends if the people approaching the border what he's envisioning is putting up i legal wall to rebuff people before they get into the country. with regard to people who have crossed our border i think what
they're talking about is expanding what's called the expedite red muffle process which applies to certain people who are in the country and you kre move them from the country without the full pannaly of trial proceedings. >> this is a president who campaigned on the rule of law. this is a president who talks often about the importance of that. i'm old enough to remember when he talked about the case koffeling rob porter the former staff secretary and talked about the idea of whatever happened to due process. you see the tweet right there from not too long ago. first read our political team there argues for a president who campaigned under the banner of the rule of law, donald trump seems to see the application of the law and legal fairness through the same lens as he sees his political battle. is the target someone who's with him or not? is the president applying due process selectively in your view? >> think we see a president that is very frustrated with the fact that he lost last week. this president has never backtracked on immigration, so because he had to sign this kmek executive order essentially saying ways wrong i'm going to have to fix this, we now see him
trying to lash out in other parts of the criminal justice system to say, okay, even though i can't separate these families, can we just kick them out before they come to the border? i'm hesitant to say that he's applying it. as a reporter i'm hesitant to say that he's applying it selectively, but what he's doing is saying i think he could be making the argument american courts have a real process and a real goal and it should be for american citizens and the not for people coming in illegally. he reminds me that some families are separated permanently by crime and some parents are separated temporarily because of us separating them when they come across the border illegally ninkt he's pitding two groups against each other and in this case it seems its informant that he's doing that because everyone should get due process. >> let's not forget the people who are most affected by all of this, the entire discussion that's been going on for the last 12 days are these kids separated from their families. before we talk about them, just to put a pin in the political piece of this, the president
over the weekend in las vegas this is immigration is something he likes to talk about. that has happened since day one, since he desented the golden escalator at trump tower and announced he w running for president. here's what he talked about this weekend as it relates to this border battle that we've been covering. >> if they see any weakness, they will come by the millions. we have to have strong borders. >> his own statistics show april prehections at the board ver been dropping for a decade with more mexicans actually leaving the u.s. than coming between 2009 and 2014 partly because of mexico's economy. here's what else he is. >> illegal immigration costs our country more than $113 billion a year. and this is what we get. >> the president said something similar to this before, trying to get the government to back him up. "the new york times" reported that government officials rejected this hrkts ha study found that refugees brought in $63 billion more than what they
cost. that report was ultimately submitted with only the costs and none of the revenues, basically, coming from this. so my question is the president's talking about this, his language, though, seems to be resonating when you look at some of the polling that's out there, particularly resonating with republicans. nancy. >> it is. and even before he, you know, undid the policy of separating families from children and with that executive order last week we satisfy saw that his approval rating was very high last week. and so i feel like this policy and being hard line on immigration is playing very well with the base. i feel like the political problem, of course, is that, you know, there's been a lot of backlash among more moderate republicans. i would be curious to see polling on how suburban women feel about this, even conservative ones. but it seems like based on what the president said in nevada on saturday that he's going to use immigration as a key message in the midterms. his team seems to think that's a potent message just as it was in
2016. >> the kids caught in the millemille middle here, there's been some report on where these children are being sent. 16 states, at least according to "new york times" around the country. the government in the last what? four days or so has tried to put together more of a plan to get these kids reunited with their families but there are still major holes in it. are you seeing any improvement and progress on the ground with getting these kids together? >> no. the administration does not have a plan. we have a national class action case in san diego the judge called an emergency tell fonic hearing on friday. i argued for the plaintiffs, the government counsel was on and the judge asked how does this process work snnd at governme? and the government counsel could not tell the judge how it worked. we are filing papers in beena hour and a half that will ask the court to order that all kids be reunited within 30 days and children under 5 be reunited
within 10 days. we can no longer accept the government's vague process that maybe they'll do it at some point. >> do you think that would have a shot at getting through the court system? >> the order? >> yeah. >> we hope the judge would issue that order. i think at that point there are thousands of little kids sitting in facilities or foster homes across the country crying themselves to sleep wondering if they're going to see their parents again. the entire medical community has come out and said we are doing irrelevant represent able damage to these little kids. let's stop taking these little children away from their parents. >> while i have you 2019 touch briefly on this idea of civility and what we've been seeing when it comes to discourse in public life for members of the trump administration. the president 'tweeting abo's t
this. the president is bringing up this red hand situation involving his press secretary who got kicked out of a restaurant in virginia because of her political beliefs. maxine waters, democratic congresswoman is saying, hey, not such a bad idea. here's what she had to say and then i want your reaction. >> but these members of his cabinet who remain and try defend him, they're not going to be able to go to a restaurant, they're not going to be able to stop at a gas station, they're not going to be able to shop eight departmeat a department store. the people are going to turn on them, they're going to protest and absolutely harass them. >> so, lee, the aclu, i know one of your colleagues over there who represented the couple involved in the cake shop case that just came in front of the supreme court says this is wrong no matter what. that just because you're not a protect protected class for your protected affiliation outside the direct of columbia, it still doesn't make it right. where are you on this? >> i don't want to get into the specifics of the red hen thing, i'll let others talk about that. but i would say that public
outcry is critical over these children. all civil rights issues need the public weighing in. i think that's what we've seen is everyone weighing in saying get these children back together. you know, the specifics i'll leave to others. >> okay. thank you. tom, i want to have you maybe chime in later on in the show. nancy, stick around because we have more to talk about. the justices are nearing the end of term, we have some potential decisions coming down, we're going to go through that. we're also going look at democratic activists going after ice. should the agency be abolished? we're talking with chris about that when he joins me live next. but first as we head to break and talk about cyst and discourse, a word from our first lady who spoke about decisions against destructive issues this weekend. >> it ask far easier to say nothing than it is to speak words of kindness. it is easier to judge quickly than to take time to understand.
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we're following breaking news out of the supreme court this morning, justices declining to take up a case on gay rights in the one involved a florist in washington state who refused to make an arrangement for a same-sex wedding. pete williams is joining me now. pete, i understand in the last couple minutes we're learning more about a potential gerrymandering case the court was looking at? >> reporter: so this is among
the cases the court declined to take, that's right. so in order that you asked about them, the florist in richland, washington, had gay customers but when one of them said we'd like you to do the flowers for our wedding she said, no krirnt do th -- i can't do that because it would violate my religious principles and my relationship with jesus. washington says you can't discriminate on the basis of sexual discrimination. so the customer and the state sued and she lost. she appealed to the supreme court and today the supreme court said, okay, we're granteding this case, we're wiping outs the lower court ruling and sending it back to the lower courts with instructions to follow the advice we gave in the case two weeks ago of the colorado baker who refused to bake a cake for a same-sex couple. now, the baker won that case, but on very narrow grounds. court just said he got a raw deal down below, one of the members of the colorado human rights commission said some derogatory things about religion
so it's clear he didn't give a fair shake. but in that decision the court said, you know there are say hard thing, how to balance religious freedom and same-sex -- rights of gay marriage and really didn't give much advice. so when it -- when it sends the florist case back with instructions to decide based on that, you know, good luck with that. on the redistricting case there are was from north carolina, 2016, the republicans designed the districts for congressional -- the boundaries for congressional districts so that republicans got ten seats and democrats got the other three. lower courts said it was an unconstitutional partisan gerrymandering and the supreme court said it wasn't going to hear that either a week after reaching a similar nonconclution in two other widely anticipated partisan gerrymandering cases. in both these instances the court has in essence kicked the can down the road. >> pete williams outside the
court. how many days left do we know? ? >> reporter: don't know yet. certainly -- probably i would guess, certainly foam e tomorrow, possibly wednesday. >> all right. we'll see you one or both of those days. pete williams, thank you much outside the supreme court for us. all of this talk about u.s. immigration policies is trigger a new push, particularly from democratic activists about getting rid of ice, the agency of course responsible for immigration and customs enforcement inside the department of homeland security. listen to the lawmakers here. >> you look at what's happening again in terms of how they're conducting their perspective on asylum seekers, that's a real problem and is contrary to all of the spirit and reason that we have the asylum rules and laws in the first place. so their mission, i think, is very much in question and has to be reexamined. >> we have a border patrol stop up here in maine a couple weeks ago. is that -- is that constitutional? do we stop american citizens in the middle of a highway and ask
for their papers? there a there are a lot of questions that need to be answered. i don't know that i say abolish, but i think look at that time makes a hell of a lot of sense. >> joining me now, jake sherman. thanks for being on. talk what's behind this push to abolish ice and what you're hearing whether it seems to be getting any traction on capitol hill versus the traction it's getting in the activist community. >> i think it's pon to note that the democrats don't have either chamber of congress. their opinion -- >> whether it has traction or not, yeah. >> it does not have traction. but i will kind of -- the politics of this are interesting because republicans say that democrats could overstep when it comes to border security in that border security, as stephen miller said, as a broad proposition is a winning issue. americans do believe that the government should security border. now whether you get into the weeds obviously some policies
that the trump administration have been promoting are not as popular. but as a campaign message because we are just a couple months from a campaign season, a campaign message to-a abolish t agency that's tasked with customs enforcement would not be a good message. >> i want to bring in maryland democratic senator who is joining me. thanks for being on the show. much appreciated. >> good to be with you. >> i'll start off picking up with jake and where our earlier discussion left off. apolish ice, yes or no. where are you on this? >> i think we should look at reforms to ice as part of reforms to our overall immigration system. but let's be clear, the problem right now is the way the trump administration is using ice and the trump administration policies. we can have secure borders and we is can have a humane immigration policy and the trump administration is obviously not focused on the latter.
they were separating families with kids. they're not reuniting these families fast enough. my view is we can have border security and we need to make sure ice focuses appropriately on that mission and not be deployed to breaking up families and other policies that this celebration has be celebration has be administration has been focus opened. >> some democrats want their leadership be, do you think it's in your role, is it a smart strategy for them to campaign on abolishing ice? >> i think this whole issue that's risen because of the separation of kids from their parents at the border has gone beyond politics. you've seen everybody in the religious community speaking out strongly against it. i think if you talk to democrats they'll say what i just tried to really emphasize, that we should
have border security, of course. we need to make sure that dangerous people don't get across the border. but moms coming with their kids seeking asylum should not be separated and they should not be locked up indefinitely. and so it's the way the trump administration is using the department of homeland security that we need to focus on. as we look for longer term reforms to ice and immigration laws generally. >> so as you point at the trump administration, do you say some of your colleagues nans secretary nielsen should step down from leadership of dhs? >> i thought if having her step down would actually make a difference in terms of our immigration policies, i would do it in a second. the problem is at the very top. i mean, we all remember donald trump coming down the escalators at trump towers talking about in general terms mexicans being rapists and murderers and all these things. and what he is doing and unleashing this kind of hatred
that is now essentially resulted in this division of moms from their daughters. i was at the border on father's day -- >> i was going to say you visited and saw one of these facilities or tried to. you said i think that you believe the administration which it comes to asylum claims was trying to slow walk asylum claims. based on what the president has tweeted today, over the weekend lead something critics to wonder if he's drawing the distinction between asylum seekers and those entering illegally, what can democrats do to have those conversations with those inside the trump administration? >> well, based on the president's tweets, he doesn't believe in asylum and that country has a long tradition and has bane leader wheen a leader to people fleeing violence have an opportunity to hear their cases heard and set will in the
united state -- settle in the united states. when the president says he's going to turn whorve everybody crossing the border back across the border whether they're smuggling drugs or a mom with their daughter or son fleeing violence is totally outrageous and that's what this administration's done. it's essentially said we're not -- we're not going to deploy our resources just against ms-13, not just against ms-13, which we should, but we're going to go after moms with kids. and that's why you see this uproar around the country. >> one of your former house colleagues maxine waters is calling on some to harass trump administration members in public because of these moral convictions. do you think that's the right move for your party? would you recommend the same thing? >> i don't think people should be harassed. but as a public official i can tell you when i go out to eat at a restaurant people come up to me and share their opinions and so there's nothing wrong with
that. but there's a difference between -- >> that's different. >> strongly sharing opinions and being harassed. however, i do want to emphasize that we're in a democracy here. these are really important issues to our country. people have the right to express themselves. when i go out to dinner, i hear about all sorts of issues from my constituents and so people have the right to express their views. >> senator chris van hollen, thanks for being on the program. um next, james mattis blind sided, overruled, and apparently out of the loop. we'll talk about white president is icing out his secretary of defense. plus, candidate trump pledged to help harley davidson, but now the motorcycle company says it's moving production, some of it, overseas. we'll talk about what's driving that decision after the break. t. t. it's single-origin kenyan coffee from the nyeri highlands, 6,000 feet above sea level. but how do you really know that the beans journeyed to the port of mombasa and across the pacific?
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outside her house trying to raise money to go to disneyland. people were quickly rushing to little jordan roger's defense on this. listen. >> this won don't want to let a little girl sell some water. >> the woman dubbed permit patty exclusively responded to miguel alma gare to defend what she did. listen. >> i tried to be polite but i was stern and i said, please, i'm trying to work, you're screaming, you're yelling and people have open windows, it's a hot day, can you please keep temperature down. >> the the good news for jordan, after that video went viral a ga samaritan decided to buy her four tickets for disneyland. and federal prosecutors could cancel the meeting with stormy daniels attorney. it was due to an investigation into michael cohen and that infamous $130,000 parmt. stormy daniels's lawyer said the meeting was called off because the press found out. on twitter he said we remain
willing to cooperate but something isn't right. also this morning we're getting word of a big move by one of america's most iconic brands. these tloorts harley davidson will be shifting production of some of its motorcycles overseas. that's because of this new trade war with europe triggered by the tariffs. remember, this is a president who loves harley, who talks about harley a lot. remember this moment? i was on the south lawn when the president welcomed the company and their bikes on to the driveway, less than two weeks after the inauguration. >> so thank you, harley-davidson, for building things in america. i think you're going to even expand. i know your sbis nbusiness is n doing very well. >> listen, the milwaukee journal sentinel has this industry analyst pointing out it's hard to run a business when the rules keep changing. is that what underpins this move by harley here? ha do you make of it? >> not just harley but a lot of american companies are look at this with some speculation because in the end trump's
tariffs could cost american jobs. here's how. harley davidson has been smacked by these tariffs in the european union as part of a $3.4 billion retaliation against the trump tariffs on european steel and aluminum. europe is a big market for the iconic hogs, it's second only to the united states. it sold nearly 40,000 motorcycles there last year. but it's facing some really stiff competition from european and japanese motorcycle makers which aren't subject to this new tariff. in an sec filing they say the tariffs jumped from 6% to 31% and will increase in an incremental cost of $2,200 per bike. and the company says, nope, it's not going to raise its prices to avoid what it calls abimmediate and lasting detrimental impact on sales. in the short time harley's going to absorb the cost, $45 million, but then shift some of the manufacturing overseas. it says it's the only option to
sustain this viable business. remember, this is wisconsin where trump turned a blue state red and it's not the only industry that's -- could be really problematic here. >> and where he'll this week, too. he's got a trip to wisconsin coming up later in the week. investors don't love this. harley stocks aren't doing so hot this morning? >> right now the dow is off by 272 points. we've seen around the globe markets have been struggling somewhat because a looming trade war makes business very expensive for a lot of people. and it makes the playing field uncertain. >> cnbc contaessa brewer. thanks for coming on. president trump's close military adviser during his first year in office seems to be getting the cold shoulder these days. secretary of defense jim mattis being described adds out of the loop on major military decisions involving iran, north korea, even outer space as mattis fuins
himself on the outside. i want to bring if my panel. carol, you and courtney broke this story this morning and it's a fascinating read because it use words like for example blindsided, overruled to describe secretary mattis's relationship with donald trump with the commander and chief. >> and it's gotten worse in the last i'd say about six to eight months. basically what we've seen as an increasingly mattis has either caught off guard by a policy decision that the president's made or the president just makes a policy decision that's against mattis's advice. sometimes it's a combination those two things. >> the space force discussion was something he hasn't liked, right? >> he is on the record, he actually sent a letter to senator john mccain saying it was unnecessary, was not for it. so when the president announced it last week or said he was ordering this, can he d not call out mattis, he called out dunford. >> right, heftd joint chiefs of staff. >> and said why don't you take care of that. >> and then on north korea,
stopping those war games there are is that moment at the singapore summit in that news conference when the president talked about that. watch. >> can you be specific about what assurances you are willing to give to zmkim jong-un. >> at some point i have to be honest that i used to say this during my campaign, as now know probably better than most, i want to get our soldiers out. we will be stopping the war games. which will save us a tremendous amount of money. up less a unless and until we see the future negotiation is not going along like it should. but we'll be saving a tremendous amount of money, plus i think it's very provocative. >> did secretary mattis know before that moment that that was going to come out of the president's mouth or moments before that moment? >> so he didn't know that the president had made that decision until after the president had offered that to kim in the meeting. and, you know, he wabs tos told
another administration official this had happened. another senior official said mattis knew it was a possibility but the president got in the room with the leader of north korea and just made the decision and so there wasn't really -- you know, there excuse was there wasn't time to fill him in. >> i want to get nancy in on the conversation but the administration's response to this which was this was pure silliness, ludicrous i think are the words that the national security council used in response to you. >> yes. >> what is their push back here? they're saying mattis is as looped in as ever or what? >> you know how these stories go and by the -- on a scale of pushback it's pretty light because the story is true. and so there was more trying to when you talk to senior officials in the white house trying to shape the reasoning behind it. the president, you know, one official said mattis has never been a go-to adviser for the president in terms of his inner circle. and yet he really respects him. >> so the respecting is
interesting because given that piece of it, right? even if the president is taking in less of mattis's input, which is what you're talking about in your reporting, do you think, i suspect probably not, that we'll see that level of public shaming that we've seen with, for example, attorney general jeff sessions, somebody else on whom the president has cooled. this is a president who has a deep affinity for people in the military. >> yeah. i don't think that we'll see sort of a sessions level treatment of matt mattis is at . it's not that he's cooled on session, he's furious with sessions. >> he's kind of despised him. >> for over a year because he holds him responsible for the path of the russia investigation. i think that there are two things happening with mattis. one, i think the president feels very emboldened at this point and doesn't like the narrative of, you know, people advising him or sort of control him. and there was a sense early on that, you know, the generals were keeping him in line. i don't think that the president and his people around him liked that narrative. and then secondly it have been
other people that have come into the administration like larry kudlow, the new said of the national economic counsel, or john bolton, the new national security adviser and i think those have become some of the president's new favorites, new favorite go-tos. >> what about general done straightforward? do you think given all of this that his role might expand? we heard as carol brought up the space force leader and all this? >> i think it could expand but i think what this president likes more than anything is people that can he personally get along with. so your personality plays a bill role in whether or not this president actually wants to talk of you. you talk about john bolton and he walked on fox news and likes the fact he can pull people off tv and bring them into his cabinet that's why he talks to sean hannity all the time. but he likes the ideas of having generals around him, but generals give you sage, very well thought out ideas and 'president is someone who goes on his instincts. john kelly is walking out on the
driveway he's become his own communications director. john kelly isn't really -- he doesn't have the same power at all that he had when he -- at least that people thought he was going to have when he came in. that's another general that you see kind of being out of the loop. >> right. >> this is happening -- it's coinciding with the time when the president just wants to rely on his own instincts and be told what he wants to hear much more so have contarian views. he knows what he wants to do now. >> your story support on nbcnews.com so check it out. i want you guys to stick around because coming up after the break this morning we have not one but two new trons put scott pruitt on swamp watch. why he can't seem to get his story straight about somebody else he's paying. needles. essential for the cactus, but maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. story straight about somebody else he's paying. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr. a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough.
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showing kmakt kaecontact betwee sheef of staff and a lobbyist who rented that condo out. and here's the thing. here's what scott pruitt told fox news about that lop byist back in april. >> is that williams and jenson, right, major lobbying firm. exxonmobil is the client. >> mr. hart has no -- >> exxon motor home mobile have business before you, sir? >> mr. hart has no clients that have business before this agency. >> julie was one of the washington post writers on that story. she joins us now. nancy and amesh are back with us on this monday edition of swamp watch. nancy, you heard the dlefs, but here's what you right in the washington post. the e-mails show that both hart and his wife vicky who rented pruitt that conn pruitt that condo pushed for the epa to hire jimmy a recent
college graduate. they said that they did not end up hiring that grad, they stand by the statement that hart did not lob by the agency. take us through why this contradicts a lot about what the epa said. >> it contradicts it on a couple different fronts. one, the landlord, vicky hatd and her husband steve hart specifically spoke to in the case of vicky hard the administrator himself and in the case of steven hart he approached the chief of staffer for scott pruitt and said please hire this family friend of ours and also don't bury him in the bowels of epa but give him a senior enough job that it's meaningful for him. that clearly is a form of informal lobbying even if you're not registered for that. but he's e-mails spell out the detail in which he use the the agency and specifically pruitt's chief of staff to both push for meet wgts administrator and his clients and information from the
agency about its policies. and we see this on climate change, on the response to the disaster in puerto rico and other areas where he is clearly lobbying the agency. there's kind of no other explanation for it. >> way tonight come back to you to look at big picture but first i want to hit on that politico story that we teed pup the at least six current and former agency officials were reportedly fired or reassigned to new jobs allegedly for questions pruitt's need for 24 hour security protection which has now cost at least $4.6 million as well as his other spending practices. there are a couple points make here. if this osc investigation is new and the office of special counsel and an e-mail won't confirm whether it's now or not, it might be part of an inquiry that's already open. if it's now, there are now 16 investigation noods scott pruitt. the there are 15 ongoing investigations if it's not new. do you think people care that
don't live in washington zbl? >> i think democrats who don't live in washington care. is this with the republican base? i don't think that it is. i was just in minnesota talking to trump supporters and they didn't think. i will say though, these stories are going to continue because scott pruitt really disagrees with the fundaments of how the epa should be run. the people leaking are everyone who joined the epa because they cared about the environment and wanted to see policies protect the environment. scott pruitt has basically said the epa shouldn't exist. what you'll see now is 15 or 16, up to 2022. at some point, the president has to make the decision of whether or not he wants to drag scott pruitt into the midterms, where democrats will bring his name up. >> president trump seems to have made the decision now, that scott pruitt is going to be where he is. otherwise, like tom price, pruitt would be gone by now. democrats are veseizing on the issue. do you see it as something
that'll last into the midterms or no? >> i think democrats will make scott pruitt an issue for the midterms. they're determined to don't, whether the environmental groups or the candidates. if he stays in his job and, right now, you mentioned president trump is supportive of his staying, he'll be an issue. we'll see how it connects to voters. democrats see scott pruitt as one of the best examples they can give of, as you put it, the swamp. they do plan to try to bring this to the -- bring this out for voters as they head to the polls in the fall. >> thank you for coming on the show. up next, we're headed to the border. within the last hour, a senator from nevada was turned away from a detention center she'd been scheduled to tour. we're live on the ground with one of our reporters who is with her, minutes from now. we have a mission: to help hand everyone a better world. that's why we, at the coca-cola company, make shore breaks with actual coconuts. tea, organically.
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it is a facility that holds the adults detained by i.c.e. or dhs. the senator has gotten access there, as many ereothers have. earlier, we were at a facility in brownsville, texas, that is one of the facilities that holds young children for hhh. t -- hhs. they're not able to conduct the ma in-person interaction they say they can. they request documents to come inside. many of the lawmakers tried to and weren't allowed in. we were turned away, told my security we had to leave. all we got for our trouble was a piece of paper that was handed to the senator with a phone number. i know the frustration that caused for a congressperson, not
able to get the information. what does it say to you, this is the quality of answer you're getting to questions of what is going on? >> also, former attorney general. red flags go up everywhere, right? they're tryinghide something, or something is happening here that they don't want the public to know. i think that, to me, is of more concern than anything i've seen so far. >> reporter: hallie, the thing is, we have so many onlookers coming to the border. some democrats and republicans, including both republicans from texas, touring the facilities. they conduct oversight on the process. not waiting for a committee here. to come down here and be turned away. we're trying. >> dhs said, hey, they want to limit these because they want to facilitate tours in a more fashion conducive to what they're hoping to see. she is in the second facility now. she hasn't come out yet, i
understand? >> reporter: yeah, we got here 15 minutes ago. this is a rural area. suspect her to be inside for about an hour. we're having to use, frankly, the lawmakers as our eyes and ears. different structures for everybody. we'll get the report from her. >> garrett, doing a masterful job, struggling through ver risry -- verizon, at&t, or sprint, thank you very much. we could make out 95% of that. final thoughts looking ahead to where the border battle goes now. some will turn to the hill. >> i think the border battle is still going to be about where are these kids going to be placed, and where are these -- when are we going to be able to connect these families together? i just got off the phone with an organization in texas doing the work. they don't think the government had a real system for tracking this. at some point, they were taking pictures of parents. there wasn't a tracking number associated with some of these
kids. i think the story is going to continue to be, how are these kids going to have their families? >> also, what the white house does with the executive order. the president has been really railing about it privately since that was signed on wednesday. is there any sort of -- is there a second executive order put out? how does the white house internally deal with that? >> and an opportunity to ask the press secretary about that today. the white house announced there will be a briefing 3:30 eastern. i will be there. see ythen. we wrap up with the big picture from the middle east. we're looking at a group of president erdogan's supporters, after he won turkey's high-stakes election. it extends his 15-year grip on the nation. now, he may have even more power than ever. a controversial referendum is giving more executive order over the courts, top officials, and it cuts back on parliament's power. the opposition, and a lot of folks around the world, worry the country is entering an era of one-man rule.
the photographer here with the "associated press." love to hear your thoughts on social media. i'll see you on tonight's "nightly news," and also during ali velshi's show. ali happens to be back. my friend, you're a sight for sore eyes. good to have you. >> i am so happy to be back. i have to tell you, not being at work last week, watching you all do what you did, i was proud to be part of your number. i always get a little disappointed when i hear the briefing showing up in the 3:00 hour. you never know what you'll get. now that i know you'll be there, i know what i'll get, and i'm excited about it. >> okay. ali, sounds good. thank you. >> have a good rest of your morning. good morning. i'm ali velshi. my colleague, stephanie ruhle, has the day off today. it's monday, june 25th. let's get a little smarter. president trump is calling for migrants who cross the border illegally to be