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take a look at the video of this 28-year-old woman winning the election and getting results on new york 1. her mom was a cleaning lady. her father died when she was 18. she put herself through school. and she's 28 years old. and this right here, right now, is the american dream happening. and it's also right now the political story of the moment. given what we're seeing happening at our border, given what's happening in puerto rico right now, where 5,000 people died and the president promised to help the island find its way back, this part of america, and americans find their way back to having light, water, a healthy environment, they don't. so many more are still sick. so many more will die. and so many have died. that's puerto rico. is apparently the example of trump serving the american people. she's half puerto rican.
and this was a good week for politics, given that very small microcosm of where we hope things will go. i don't care which side of the aisle. we just need real people who want to serve who love this country. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage now. >> thanks so much, mika. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle, with a lot to cover this morning. supreme court justice anthony kennedy announces his retirement. while mitch mcconnell says the senate will vote on a new justice in the fall and democrats are calling to wait until after the election. one thing all sides agree on, the midterms matter much more today than they did 24 hours ago. >> justice kennedy's retirement makes the issue of senate control one of the vital issues of our time. >> getting hammered. president trump's trade wars have caused massive market
volatility. now some workers fear for theirle jobs. as america's largest nail manufacturer gets hit hard by tariffs. >> president trump, if you hear this, you know, this job means a lot to this community. it affects more than just the 500 jobs wes have here. >> russian connection. in 30 minute, the deputy attorney general and fbi director will testify about 2016 russian election hacking. just announced this morning, president trump will hold a senate with vladimir putin july 16th in finland. >> we talked about the russian interfere an exin electiin elec suspect it will be a topic as well. >> the votes that president trump needs to confirm a replacement for retiring justice kennedy and solidify a conservative majority. the democrats are gearing up for a battle to make sure a vote does not happen until after
midterms. i have an incredible team here to break all of this down. it's an historic decision that will impact americans for generations. i want to get you caught up. after 30 years on the high court, justice kennedy announced wednesday his retirement would take effect july 31. preparing the way for the most significant change in the court's makeup in half a century. his retirement means the court will lose the swing vote, which played the deciding factor in cases dealing with freedom of speech and privacy as well as lgbt and women's rights. now the ball is in president trump's court. he says the search for the next supreme court justice will begin immediately. he already has a list of 25 potential nominees to replace kennedy and has indicated he has narrowed that down to four or five favorites. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says once the president selects a nominee, it is full steam ahead. >> we will vote to confirm
justice kennedy's successor this fall. it's imperative that the president's nominee be considered fairly and not subjected to personal attacks. >> you can call republicans hypocrites. you can protest outside mitch mcconnell's house all day. right now, he's got a winning hand. the senate majority leader, he is calling for fairness. it was leader mcconnell would denied president obama's supreme court pick of merrick garland in 2014, saying the senate should not confirm anyone to the supreme court during an election year. senate majority leader schumer was quick to call out mcconnell. >> millions of people are just months away from determining the senators who should vote to confirm or reject the president's nominee and their voices deserve to be heard now as leader mcconnell thought they should deserve to be heard then. anything but that would be the
absolute height of hypocrisy. >> okay, does that matter? i want to go live to the white house where nbc's hans nichols stands by. hans, you could call mitch mcconnell or donald trump a hoax, a fraud, a huckster and a hypocri hypocrite, but that doesn't matter. they've got the upper hand here. as i mentioned, they're going to roll full steam ahead. >> you know, they have a strategic advantage. they have tactical advantage. when you look at what president trump is talking about, one of his main criteria appears to be youth. last night, speaking at that raucous rally, it was clear the president is relishing his opportunity. >> we have a pick to come up. we have to pick a great one. we have to pick one that's going to be there for 40 years, 45 years. justice kennedy's retirement makes the issue of senate control one of the vital issues of our time. the most important thing we can
do. >> 40, 45 years, that means you are looking at a nominee in their mid to early 40s. whoever he or she is, they're clearly looking for longevity, something to really put the president's mark on this court. i think when you look at the last nomination, even democrats will concede that for a chaotic white house, that was rolled out fairly expertly. they didn't make a lot of silly mistakes like they have in the rollouts of some of the president's other priorities. so we'll see how tactfully successful this rollout is and what they do to keep two republican, pro-choice senators on board, senator snow and senator murkowski, and what those democrats do that are up for re-election in states that donald trump carried, over ten of them. what does mccaskill do? 57%, that's what trump got in her state. she's up for re-election. and then also joe donnanly.
the counting on this has already begun and now they're working on the rollout. >> you could say mcconnell is not interesting at cocktail parties. you don't want to get caught in an elevator with him. but he is a masterful tactician. and that is what matters here. i want to bring my panel in. this is the president of noral pro choice. she is the ceo of pro choice america. jason johnson, msnbc contributor and at the roots.com. and midwin charles, attorney for the law firm midwin charles and associates. i saw a tweet that you sent out that stuck with me. you wrote, relax, folk, kennedy was a swing justice. was mostly voting conservative anyway. this is a wash. get your passport ready for when ginsburg is replaced. by the way, this is partially obama's fault. talk to me about that. is that obama sort of analysis
paralysis? >> if you remember, back in february, obama had the opportunity to appoint someone to the court. he could have made a recess appointment. that was key, especially because basically mitch mcconnell had said we're not going to vote on anyone you pick. so an entire branch of the government ineffective for the year. obama could have put someone on the court who would have been able to be there until the end of the year regardless of of who got elected. you had crucial rulings on daca and union dues that were 4-4 splits in 2016. had he put someone on court, those would have been in favor of the liberals. >> why didn't he? like president trump or not, those who support him and, you know, don't like him as a person and support him say he gets stuff done. and when it comes to judges, he does. >> he put in all the judges obama got denied. because obama was a nice guy. he kept thinking people were going to play fair until playing to win. that's the problem. when you're in politics, you have to play to win.
you have to be somebody who's like, i'm going to do whatever i have to do to win and not try to play the other side. that was his mistake. >> nice guys finish last. jennifer, majority leader mcconnell says the process is going forward, full steam ahead. walk us through the key republican senators that could play a factor here. i'm thinking, jeff flake, of arizona, who has already said he wanted to hold up federal judge appointments until we make some progress here on what president trump is trying to do on tariffs. >> i think what people have to understand is this matters hugely. what we talk about is the ability to criminalize abortion and other reproductive rights. that was the fifth vote that justice kennedy essentially maintained for his many, many years on court. whatever else he will say about him. every one of those people on donald trump's list will be willing, will be anxious, to repeal any notion of a
constitutional right to privacy. they consider it to be a judicial monstrosity. so with that in mind, i think senators collins, senators murkowski, have to understand that a vote for any of these people on that list is a vote to criminalize abortion and potentially criminalize birth control. it's that important. as far as others who might be susceptible, yes, it might be senator flake, but, frankly, you have a lot of senators in western states which are more or less libertarian states. you have a slew of house seats in blue states where abortion rights are taken for granted. and that i think is where the battle is going to be had. that's where the pressure's going to be coming to bear on all of these people, whether you're in a blue state like a congressman from new jersey who might be at risk now because there's a real risk of roe v.
wade, and what are these people going to say about what happens the day after? are these people going to promise they will defend roe v. wade and contraceptive rights? if they don't, they are toast in those states. so it matters not only in senate races but in house races. because the house would be in a position then to set up any legislative protection for those rights. this is going to be a nationwide firestorm. and republicans, for years, have enjoyed the ability to rail at the court, to promise that one day they would repeal it. now they're faced with a reality. and that reality, frankly, is going to be enormous. is going to be a firestorm. >> okay, then, elise, if kennedy's retirement could open the door for a new attack on legal abortion, walk me through what cases are going through the
states right now that could end up in front of a solid 5-4 conservative supreme court. >> i think this is the fight that 5 million women marched in the streets for on january 21st, 2017, because we actually know what's at stake. many states have become increasingly hostile towards abortion rights, reproductive health care in general and we know what the consequences are. we've had women going to jail in tennessee and pennsylvania for what were considered illegal abortions already. and this is not your anti-choice movement of the '60s and early '70s. people calling for punishment for women who seek abortions. we've got a lot of anxiety but even more energy. there are courts, sorry, cases already winding their way through the courts that could hit as soon as october,
certainly into 2019, including the iowa ban of abortion at section weeks, including bans of entire procedures of how women have abortions, interfering in an unprecedented way for the first time in how doctors actually do their jobs. all of these would render abortion effectively inaccessible across the nation. >> i want to choose my words carefully. it was president trump who in an interview with chris matthews did say that women should be punished. >> tried to walk it back, but he did say that. >> as reprehensible as we could think this is, president trump was elected to be the president of the united states. and conservatives, if there's one thing they're thrilled about, it's all of the conservative judges he has put on the bench and this is another example of it. so besides saying this is rep rehentable, reprehensible, america did vote for the president. >> jennifer's absolutely right, that the reason people voted for
the president or at least the reason people are votinging for the house members and their senate members are not about abortion access. 7 in 10 meamericans support accs to abortion. i think it is a well-worn story that jennifer has told more than once about the capture of the republican party by an extreme right wing. i think what this is doing is forcing the stakes, forcing the morality, forcing the consciousness of criminalizing abortion and punishing women in front of everyday conservatives, moderates, who have continued to vote republican. you saw two extremely high-profile republican women publicly lead the party in the pages of "the new york times" this week. the defections will be monumental. look, there's no question, a bad pick for the supreme court will hurt us for generations, but this party, which resembled nothing like it was when i was growing up, could be gutted. >> defections could be monumental but the people who are deflecting aren't those who
have to confirm a supreme court justice. >> exactly, exactly. and, you know, when you look at the immense power that the supreme court has in determining civil rights, all kinds of things and also, you know, whether or not corporations have the right to make decisions that harm their consumers, as you saw just this past week with the treatment of unions, it is quite devastating. and i have to -- it's very important to point out that abortion is not the only issue that kconservatives are itching to dismantle. there is also affirmative action. i couldn't have achieved that without affirmative action. they are itching to dismantle affirmative action. one of the things is recognizing the right of lgbt people to be married. so there are a whole lot of issues. if you are a person of color, if
you are a woman -- basically if you are not a straight white male in america, right now, you are probably freaking out. >> all of these things were in danger the moment gorsuch got on. they were going to go after abortion. i know people don't want to hear this, but it's been repeated all the time. donald trump is like, look, i think women should be punished for this. and 53% of white women in america voted for the guy. clearly there's a lot of people in this country, maybe it's like what's happening at the border, other issues. objects are closer than they appear. it's right here. right now. this is what's about to happen. it may be unfortunate but that's what people voted for. >> you saw unprecedented energy around gorsuch. as the lead-in said, mcconnell thought he had that in the bag. he thought he was going to get it. there was unprecedented energy from progressives to block that. that was actually practice for this one. you're right, this has been
happening for a long time. people are waking up just like they are at the border. just like they are in iowa when an abortion ban they never could have imagined passed. i'm going to iowa tonight. i'm telling you, i'm all over the country. the energy is phenomenal. it is a tipping point. and what matters is what comes next. not what came before. >> jennifer, what does this mean for president trump? we know he has a history, whether we're talking about james comey, are you on my team, are you my guy, or the disdain he has for jeff sessions who hasn't displayed undying loyalty to the president. is the president going to believe, assume, that this supreme court pick will be in his pocket? we cannot forget, while this is a massive win for the president and republicans, here's what's still looming. robert mueller has an investigation going on. president trump's fixer and personal attorney has thousands of documents under review. his campaign manager is
currently in jail before he's tried over cases that could have him in prison for over 200 years. what could president trump's expectations be of the supreme court justice and can they impact the quagmire he's in? >> it's a very interesting issue. these judges who are on that list are for the most part appellate court judges who have some institutional sense that the court has to be the ultimate check on the two political branches. so now you're looking to those people and saying, mm, would a brent kavanaugh, for example, actually say to president trump, no, you have to respond to a subpoena from the special prosecutor. nope, you can't pardon yourself. nope, you can't avoid any other sanction of law for obstruction of justice. just like any other citizen. so this issue of whether these people will be willing to step
away from a highly partisan role in support of the president towards one in which they ultimately are going to either take him down or make his life miserable, is going to be one of the key questions. and i think that sense of judicial independence is going to be very hard to sniff them out, but that's one of the things that the senators i think are going to have to double down on. and to really examine what their view of presidential power really is. because the worse thing in the world, the worst constitutional crisis we could have, will be donald trump, denying the normal operation of justice with regard to the presidency. pardoning themselves. refusing to respond to a subpoena. and then have a supreme court that upholds him. then we have our constitutional crisis. then the republicans really at risk. >> i don't know, the president seems to be a-okay with doing and saying things that are
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president trump's 25% steel tariff. companies are now faced with a spice in price for raw style, resulting in a 30% price hike for nails made right here in the usa. because there's no tariff on nails imported into the united states, buying supply companies are turning to other cubs to buy cheaper nails. places like china, taiwan, india and turkey. nbc's vaugh hillyard joins me now from popullar bluff, missou. that is where the largest producer of nails in the country is located. i know you've spoken to factory workers at mid-continental nail company. what are they telling you? >> stephanie, poplar bluff is a town of 17,000. by all accounts, this is an american business success story. 500 employees work out of here. there's a lot of jobs out of that.
the boxing company down the road. there's companies that rely on this industry here. in talking with the employees, chris pratt, he's become the operations manager here, he oversees the 500 employees here. but what they've seen is since 2012, a 50% increase in the number of employees they've been able to have here. this was a thriving business. just this month alone, they have seen ordered canceled, 50% of them, just this month alone, because there's no import on ill thats. there's that 25% tariff on the steel imports. this is what chris said when we talked to him just yesterday afternoon. >> we have eliminated 60 positions. >> 60 positions? >> yes. >> you have employees you talk to that are anxious? >> correct, they're scared. fear for their jobs. rightly so. >> that's in your guy's hands? >> i consider every one of these guys in poplar bluff my responsibility personally. >> your message to washington, d.c.? >> save our jobs. save poplar bluff jobs. save american manufacturing
jobs. and give us the exclusions we need. grant those exclusions. put those exclusions on the top. and put us back to work. >> president trump, if you hear this, you know, this job means a lot to this community. to the people that work here. to the suppliers we have. it affects more than just the 500 jobs we have here. so please help. >> stephanie, talking to these men and women here yesterday, a good number of them voted for the president. they said he still had that hope in him. they said they just don't think he understands the unintended consequences of what's happened. they said they understand and appreciate he's trying to help other parts of american industry, he said they had their jobs, they knew what they were doing. they were able to come here on a daily basis, rely on good paying jobs, that they were going to be able to raise there kids on. just this plan alone. this is the paper tape nail
plant. they shut this down this month because of all the ordered cancel. he told me it's like having the lights turned off. >> i'm so glad you went there and talked to those people on the ground. i want to bring my friend "vanity fair" special correspondent bill cohn, he's also the author of "why wall street matters." you've got people fearing they could lose their job. but you've got the warren buffetts of the world saying this is just trump rhetoric, it's not going to happen. could this be trump just playing his bluff game? >> i don't think there's a bluff game in missouri. as vaughn just pointed out. and thank him for doing that. people are really losing their jobs. really. that's not a bluff. they are really closing that plant. that's not a bluff. >> doesn't that show right there the clear difference between the stock market and the economy? in the stock market, you can buy and sell stocks within seconds.
if you have to plan for actual corporate activity, you can't be that limber. >> months. years. takes months and years to plan for a plant and decide to put the capital to work to buy all that plant and equipment, hire those workers. look at walgreens today. what are they doing with that extra money? >> 12 to 7. >> thank you. >> what are they doing with the money? >> buying back their hacks. great for american but how about people who expected higher employment and higher -- for the work they're doing? not like the people in missouri who are losing their jobs. the thing is, he's a lousy businessman. he's showing it right now.
>> we're already at something like 189 billion for the first three months of the year. all we've seen are one-time bonus, no real wage increases. so it's been a great positive for the market. but in your piece in "vanity fair," which you write, it has been a fun ride. wall street braces for trump's economic colonic. why is there going to be a colonic? all of this is great for the market. it's terrible for the american worker. >> there are many reasons as i talked about in that piece. >> many reasons to talk about colonics, thank you. >> many reasons to talk about how the fun ride is over. no one rings a bell at the top of the market. the truth is the stock market, the dow jones industrials, what we think of as the stock market, is off 10% since january highs. >> amaze, president trump and his daughter ivanka who like to tweet about the market haven't in quite some time. >> that's because there's so much winning going on, they can't stand it any more. the interesting thing, there's a debate even inside the white
house and the virtue of these tariffs. people who do understand the market, people like steve mnuchin, who is -- >> larry kudlow. >> -- are against these tariffs. i hope larry gets better soon. people who for some reason should understand but don't and like ross and peter navarro are pushing these things. we are picking fights with our allies. look at the germans. they've built a huge bmw plant in south carolina. perhaps the biggest they have in the world. mercedes-benz and volkswagen have also built car plants in the south. what are we doing? we're picking fights with them. why are we doing this? >> auto nation's ceo says automotive tariffs will make steel tariffs look look a company picnic. we know president trump doesn't have an understanding of how trade works. if i'm lindsey graham, if i'm in the state of south carolina, how
do i manage this? >> you have to come out and use your voice. your voice is one of 100 senators. as one of the two senators for the state of south carolina. and object to what he is doing. >> but what -- >> but they don't have the guts for. >> okay, but let's say china comes in next week and president trump, again who doesn't understand how a trade deficit works. he obsesses over it. president trump, it's not just the chinese government. it's the u.s. consumer who wants to buy all that stuff. but let's say smoke and mirrors prevails and china shows up and says here's a way to lower the trade deficit. trump will then say to his audience, look, i got that number down. and the stock market is doing so well. and we've got more people having jobs than ever. that's a winning headline for him. >> well, he is a master at creating winning headlines for himself. he is also a victim of people in the media who are properly pointing out where he is wrong.
but does not have -- doesn't seem to have an effect with his base. the truth is, he also promised us, stephanie, he was going to eliminate the national debt. now it's $21 trillion and climbing and he doesn't seem to care about that. doesn't talk about that anymore. >> but that's not -- if you go into his business history, he's the master of debt. >> of course. >> he's the king of debt. >> i think there was a cover story about him being the king of debt. >> and he defaults on it. he's defaulted between 4 and 6 times and creditors have lost billions of dollars. we may be as a nation about to go into some sort of bankruptcy spiral. >> imagine if we go full circle. president trump was into the a client of any u.s. banks because he racked up debt and did not pay. imagine if we come full circle and we rack up our deficit. at the same time, while the mueller investigation goes on, we find out president trump who doesn't borrow from u.s. banks, borrows from russians.
>> that will be the death nil. who's our largest creditor? china. why are we doing this? >> you know, we can never forget that. china. take a look at how much u.s. government debt china owns. it's a whole ding dang lot. the white house announced president trump and vladimir putin, speaking of russia, are going to meet again july 16th. the summit will be taking place in finland. it will be the first official summit between the two. this comes as the investigation into russia's meddling in the 2016 presidential election rolls full steam ahead, despite president trump's repeated claims of no russian meddling. right now, deputy attorney general rosenstein, and fbi director, appointed by trump, christopher wray, are about to testify. lawmakers are expected to grill them on the inspector general's report that found serious failings in the fbi handling of the investigation into hillary clinton's e-mail server.
msnbc's national security analyst ned price joins me now. also a former spokesperson for president obama's national security council. how big of a deal is this upcoming summit between trump and putin? i have to say, the biggest deal ever was the kim jong-un summit and president trump was absolutely disengiingenuous wit what the take aways were. trump's not talking about that. >> that's right, stephanie. i think it will be a very big deal. but probably not for the right reasons. and i say that because there aren't issues that are particularly right for tremendous progress in the bilateral relationship we have with moscow. perhaps they can find something on the margins with some sort of counterterrorism information sharing agreement. if we're lucky, they will be able to discuss deescalating hostilities in syria. but i think the real concern about this summit, stephanie, is that donald trump is going to sell our nato allies down the creek.
this summit will come on the heels of our nato allies, where donald trump at this summit is prone to do i think a repeat of what he did at the g-7, to trash our nato allies, to engage in a trade war with our closest partners to destabilize the institutions that the united states built and that have protected the united states above all over the past 70 years before rushing to the warm embrace of vladimir putin. that will send a very poor signal to our nato ally bus a very good signal to vladimir putin which will leave him smiling. >> john bolton met yesterday with putin. and business insider says, quote, john bolton once said that russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election was an act of war against the u.s. and warned that the u.s. could not trust russia. so bolton has said that. and, again, president trump could be somebody on their bed somewhere, could be somebody in china. i mean, he's yet to make a
statement like that. >> but look at what john bolton said more recently. he said he was so pleased to be in moscow. the same john bolten who, as you said, has had some very harsh words for moscow. claiming last year that we negotiate with russia at our own peril. claiming previously in 2013 that we should cause a lot of pain to vladimir putin. donald trump has a strange way of twisting people into his own form. and my concern is that just as john bolton, who wrote just about a year ago that we would be justifying and undertaking an attack against north korea, shook hands with kim jong-un at donald trump's insistence. my concern is trump is going to steam roll bolton. and that any, i think, prudent concerns that onbolt s thas tha about speaking with putin, will be overtaken.
>> when you're talking about real foreign policy concerns, that has never been a concern for the president. if the president sits down with vladimir putin, he is desensitizing the american people to understanding the danger that vladimir putin is. just like sitting monoa mano with kim jong un. he wasn't the first person ever. he was the first person to do it. in the elections in france, in germany, in great britain, the american people will start to see, i don't know, you've got macron, you've got merkel. that is what trump is successful at doing. >> that's exactly right. look, there is someone narrow in which sitting down with vladimir putin could be a good thing. that is if donald trump were to go to this summit and to confront vladimir putin on everything he has done. >> he doesn't confront anyone ever face-to-face. >> that's exactly right. especially vladimir putin.
if you look at donald trump's twitter feed this morning, he's spouting russian propaganda. so i think it is quite a safe bet that donald trump will not do this. but i don't think we can dismiss diplomacy entirely. i think we need to be able to go to that summit with the possibility of getting something out of the russians, but i think donald trump -- i think there's quite a concern that he could scuttle any success, any advantage that we could take home from that summit unfortunately. >> rob rosenstein and chris wray, they're on capitol hill. what are lawmakers trying to get out of this? >> trying to do two things. they're trying to, one, put the focus back on hillary clinton's e-mails because they don't want to talk about donald trump. put the focus back on her e-mails almost two years after the end of the 2016 election. but, two, this is a preemptive strike. it is an ongoing part of a preemptive operation against the mueller probe. they are trying to discredit the mueller probe by going after
people like rod rosenstein who oversees bob mueller and going after christopher wray, the fbi director. what they want to do is to instill doubt in the american people. that the conclusions that we expect bob mueller will put forward in the coming months are somehow tainted, are somehow unsound. this is what that's all about. it's not about congressional oversight of the department of justice or the fbi. far from it. in fact, republicans on the hill have shown little regard for the well being, for the effectiveness of the fbi and the doj and today i think you will see them continue to attack the very institutions that are supposed to protect us from the russian threat among many others. >> political theater wages on. thank you, appreciate it. we'll keep an eye on rosenstein and wray. we'll bring you any news as it happens. i really want you to stick around because up next in money, power, politics, some of country's biggest companies under investigation.
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workplace discrimination. a new report that caught my eye. i've been talking about it for a week from "the new york times" lays out the special brand of prejudice that pregnant women face. through careful examination of court and public records as well as dozens of interviews, "the new york times" reporters found a clear pattern of discrimination emerge. many of the largest companies systemically sideline pregnant women as a direct result of this reporting, i love this, governor cuomo and the new york state attorney general launched a campaign to inform women of their rights and prevent issues of discrimination. the state has launched investigations into the conduct of walmart, merck. we should note walmart, merck and glen corp have said they haven't had any discrimination.
joining us now, the fantastic reporters on this story. okay, ladies, you highlighted that this supreme court case, young versus u.p.s., it's an important one. i want you to help us understand what did this case mean for women in the workplace? >> so the supreme court in 2015 ruled in favor of peggy young, who was an early morning driver who had asked for light duty. u.p.s. denied the light duty. at the time, u.p.s. was granting light duty to other workers, including men who lost their driving license because they were driving drunk. the supreme court rules that she has standing in that case. and essentially what they're saying there is that because u.p.s. was accommodating so many other workers, it was probably violating the pregnancy discrimination act which protects pregnant women from discrimination by not giving her light duty, singling her out. >> in your article, you talk
about the impression managers have of pregnant women. they're less committed, less dependable, more irrational. what, if anything, can women do to combat this perception or is taking legal action their only option? >> that's one of the frustrate things we found. i think that consistently women said, so take someone like erin murphy. works at floglen corp, a giant company, right. she does everything. in the lead-up to her pregnancy and after she gives birth to her first child, to insulate herself from this perception that she's going to be flighty, distracted, predominantly focused on her kid. she arranges child care starting at like 7:30 or 6:30 in the morning so she's never late to a meeting. none of that works. she's still, she says, passed over for a promotion, belittled on the trading floor, treated like a second class citizen.
>> what do we do if it's also this soft or assumed discrimination? i spent 14 years of my life on a trading floor before i got on tv. that soft discrimination we've all experienced for years, oh, assuming, you know, you just want to go home to your kid so you don't want to go on this business trip. how do we do something without taking legal action? it's a cultural issue. >> yes, i mean, i think what we saw was that at every rung of the economic ladder. we talk about women at walmart who also face this discrimination. a company can have a gold standard policy on the books but the way that americans may not know about this law. so until the high level of concerns about this treatment, until workers know what's happening to them is illegal, because some of the stuff a lot of these women face is really
subtle. >> you can't touch it, but you can feel it. this takes us to this so-called mother discrimination. after the fact, for already having children. when men they work with can use it to their advantage. if you work in a very competitive environment, there's that edge they can take. well, i mean, she can't possibly be the killer she once was, she has a baby at home. >> right. >> exactly. and also, you know, the thing that is pretty galling i think that the statistics bear out, right, is exactly what you're saying. so men get a paid bump after they become fathers. >> because now they have more people to support in their home because they're the father figure. >> they're breadwinners. they're more reliable. they've abandoned their bachelor lifestyle in favor of something more stable. whereas women are considered they're in this catch-22. they're judged for -- if they remain at work and design their entire lives around the fact that they're committed to work. how could you be such a terrible
mother that you'd be committed to something else? >> many people go back to work because we've had very minimal wage increases. >> exactly. >> in president trump's make america great again, in the 1950s, a father could go to work and a mother could stay at home and they have two kids and put food on the table and have a car. today, both parents need to go to work. you have an increased number of single moms. it's not an option. so people are working because they need to support themselves. so what's the takeaway? i love that andrew cuomo's like, let's have a campaign. but, like, sweet, you have a bill board and a pamphlet, what can be done? they don't want your call. >> no, they did not. >> they were -- one of the things i found interesting is that the companies, some of them, would point out this couldn't possibly be discriminatory, stephanie, because, guess what -- >> about those moms -- >> they actually said the manager was a woman and she's a
mother and she's also a grandmother. and we, our response to them was, well, right, anyone can discriminate. it doesn't have to be a man in order to discriminate. and so they point to the policies that natalie pointed o? the ones -- these gold standard policies. and from there, there's little other engagement. >> and i think there's something to this that's similar to the me too movement. in the sense that before me too, there were all of these behaviors happening. that we kind of saw as just the price of doing business. >> that's such a great point. we sort of accepted, well, that's life in the real world. >> right. pregnant women, it's expensive to accommodate them. they're going to be away from their work. i think that there is a kind of cultural sense at this point and who knows if it'll change down the line that this is just, you know, you -- i mean, the reality is that it's expensive to deal with these women who get pregnant. and, you know, this is what we should expect to happen. you know, what happened with me too is all of a sudden the
acceptable became unacceptable. i don't know how that change happens. >> right. women have to be -- i think part of our work and part of speaking to these women was we tried to make them feel less ashamed. because they also feel a sense of culpability here. well, i chose to have a baby, i wanted to leave. >> come on now. thank you, ladies. here's a fun fact for you. momma bears are more ferocious than ever because they have babies to protect. up next, we spoke earlier about manufacturer forced to lay off workers because of the tariffs. we'll hear from an entrepreneur who's making furniture here in america about the impact of the trade war. what it could mean to our family business. you always get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed?m
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disrupting the furniture industry by new direct to consumer technology. founder and ceo joins me now. let's start with do you have any fears about these impending tariffs? >> so, they're very relevant for our industry given the fact that the we're manufacturing domestically. most of our competitors are importing their products. i think for us our business at this time given the fact we're manufacturing and distributing domestically, we do most of our raw material sourcing also. domesticicly and locally. >> is this a win for you? >> you know, i don't think -- i think we need to be careful and we need to follow the situation. but, you know, i think we are well positioned to win in any environment. you know, we have a direct to consumer online model that takes out the middle man and delivers the best value in high-end furniture, bar none. >> you quit your job to build this company and decided to do it in north carolina. why? >> i had a personal experience trying to buy furniture for my first home when i was settling
down with my husband. we were looking for quality. we were looking to invest in pieces that we would live with more years and we were frustrated by that experience. we realized most of the big box brands we were shopping with are importing the vast majority of their products through a mass production process overseas. that didn't line up with the sky high prices we were paying. you know, i have a background in business and technology. i kind of looked at it with a critical eye. >> how are you able to do it and provide lower prices? >> so it's our craftsman direct to home approach. we've gone in and partnered directly with family-owned factories in north carolina. these are the world's premier experts. they've never sold directly to consumers online. they would sell through middle men into high end boutiques in the country. there's a lot of overhead and expense in that. we've cut you fat. you can buy it at a fraction of the traditional price. >> disruptive innovation, american entrepreneurship, founded by a woman, made in the usa. that's a winning combination.
thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we need to leave it there. because we have breaking news right now from the supreme court. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams joins me now. what's going on? >> well, the supreme court has agreed to look at the question of double jeopardy. for more than 150 years the court has said if you're charged with the same crime in both state and federal court, that doesn't violate the constitution's protection against double jeopardy because the state and federal government are separate sovereigns. well, this is a case involving a man from alabama who was charged both by the state and the federal government with illegally possessing a gun. and today the supreme court said, yes, it's going to take up this question. it's a big deal. just yesterday, for example, the justice department filed charges against that man who ran into the people at the rally of the white supremacist rally in charlottesville last year. a person who's already being tried in state court. this happens a lot. and the lawyer for this alabama man says it's happening even more as congress passes more and more laws that overlap with
state laws. so the supreme court's going to hear this case in the fall. the decision to take this case is one of the last acts by justice kennedy, our last order listed the term handed down today. >> pete, thank you so much. we're going to keep an eye on this case and more. lots of talk about the supreme court today. that wraps us up for this busy hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. i hand you off to my friend hallie jackson in d.c. with more news. >> and we're going to keep the fun going. thank you. i'm hallie jackson in washington where this morning the white house hopes the third time's the charm. that's because we are less than three weeks away from meeting number three between president trump and vladimir putin. whose country interfered in the 2016 election. a widely accepted fact backed up by president trump's own advisers. even though he doesn't seem so sure this morning. and it just so happens some of his national security chiefs are on the hill right now. that hearing is set to begin any moment. we are watching that. we are going to let you know what they say. we'll also get reaction to this face-to-face in finland from former cia director john
brennan. he is with me live in moments. on capitol hill, no calm. just the storm battle lines drawn in the fight to replace justice anthony kennedy. both parties making this a campaign issue. abortion, affirmative action, gay rights all on the line. republicans promising to get a nominee confirmed within month. then on the other side of the capitol, democrats are looking for leadership. who will take joe crowley's place in that shuffle? calls now for younger members of the party to step up. so we'll talk to one. congressman eric swolwell will be here later in the show. i want to start at the white house with nbc's hans nichols. hans, we want to talk about this summit. this is the big news of the day. and the president moments before this thing is announced is casting doubt on that widely accept accepted intelligence. >> he's questioning his own intelligence team. i'll b