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ground where i.c.e. agents can still be separating a parent from their child, even though we have this executive order. it is important to know this. more, stephanie, how do you wrap up 30 years, but we're trying. thank you for asking. >> thank you so much. that wraps up this hour. i am hallie jackson in washington. 30 miles east of us, journalists at the capital gazette put out a paper, dead colleagues on the front page. five families waking up without the person they love. we are learning more about those people, who they are, what they loved. the man suspected of killing them appears in court in 30 minutes. we'll have the latest on the investigation, a motive, what it was like inside the news room when the shooting started. we are also in court in virginia on one of the most consequential hearings for paul manafort. he is trying again to get charges thrown out. his lawyers are also asking a judge to throw out some evidence. so does he have a shot?
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we're getting an update in moments. as political pressure ramps up, republicans tear into two of the nation's leading law enforcement officials, telling rod rosenstein to wrap it up. we have the fact check and swamp watch later in the show. let's start with new information on the news room shooting and we now know the names and faces of victims. four veteran journalists, one sales assistant, ranging from 34 to 65 in age. a lot more on their lives in a moment. police describe this as a targeted attack. one that may have come from a long time grudge against the newspaper. the 38-year-old suspect will be in court in a half hour from now. the first time we will see him in court. police raided his home overnight. he is charged with five counts of first degree murder. for the survivors, the morning feels surreal.
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one of the first reports on twitter from the phone of an intern inside the building, with the words please help us. >> i quickly recognized this is a malicious situation, he is here to do harm to us. we immediately ran and got under one of the desks in the far back corner of the office, we huddled and tried to stay out of sight of whoever it was at the time. >> garrett hague is in annapolis. police promise more information as we look forward to the court hearing later this hour. fill us in on the latest. >> reporter: i think the most interesting thing we learned and continue to learn is about the suspect, jared ramos, long-standing -- the first encounter in 2011 he pled guilty on a harassment case, and the paper wrote a column about his case. over the next year or two he sued the paper, started harassing some members of the
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paper, including on social media. police spokesman for the county detailed a little of this this morning. take a listen. >> we were able to do some research and it was back in 2013, we have a documented report of the individual making threats or making threatening comments and report was written back then. to my knowledge there has been nothing recent reported to the police department. >> so five years there hasn't been anything. >> to my knowledge, yes. >> reporter: one of the big outstanding questions today is what happened between then and now that triggered the suspect. this is the front page of the capital gazette. it is hard to find in annapolis which is a good thing. speaks to how challenging it is to put out a paper when you're under attack, and the professionalism of journalists who did it. >> showing us the front page,
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garrett, thank you. let's talk about the five people on the front page. they loved to tell stories. we want to share some of their stories. they were all somebody's parent, kid, brother, friend. john mcna marmara. he was called mack. his beloved university of maryland terps. he met his wife at a bar after covering a football game. rob was 65, and funny. maria, his wife of 33 years tells us he did a dance for her on her birthday thursday before leaving for work. they have three kids. wendy winters, a powerhouse journalist, bringing home award after award as community news reporter and columnist, wrote about 250 articles every year. but journalism she said was her second career. her four kids were her first. editorial writer gerald fishman had been there a quarter
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century, almost always wearing a button down v-neck cardigan in the office, regardless of the season. said to have had a brilliant mind and wry wit. he was 64. rebecca smith, a newcomer in the sales office, already made a great impression. thoughtful, likeable. played field hockey in high school, hardly ever missed one of her fiance's softball games. lived in eastern baltimore county together. all of them honored by the capital on a mostly blank editorial page saying we are speechless. adding tomorrow, this page will return to its steady purpose of offering informed opinion about the world around them so they might be better citizens. with us now, the mayor of annapolis. in new york, bill bratten. mayor, let me start with you. thank you for being on the show. i want to bring up the photo
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showing the journalists working off the flatbed of a truck, standing up on their laptops, trying to get the paper out, trying to get the capital out. sold out in a lot of spots around annapolis, we understand. i like your reflections how you're doing and how you think the community is doing. >> i think the community is in pain. no one expected this to happen in their town. these journalists are family. the first responders, we know people in this town. we know the guys that ran towards that danger. it is very personal for us. >> can you talk a little about the suspect and the investigation? is this suspect cooperating to your knowledge now or no? >> my understanding is he haept been -- hasn't been cooperating. has not been helpful in any way. i'm just happy that he was apprehended. i know more lives could have been lost if it wasn't for the
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way we handled it and resources thrown at this thing were amazing. i don't think there's anything more we could have done. >> on the topic of the noncooperative suspect, there was a question of how law enforcement officials got his id. was it facial recognition software? is that how you figured out who he was? >> i haven't heard that but i think that they obviously got through social media profile and then good detective work to find out who had some beefs with the paper. for one time in his life, this guy works hard, he was on the eastern shore two hours away. >> on that, there was a long-standing grudge we heard from the reporter on the scene about that this person seemed to have harbored against this local paper. do you think enough was done beforehand? you think nothing could have prevented this. are you at all looking back,
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seeing what you could have had in place, if there were any red flags with this person, any more red flags? >> i mean, we all deal with this in our public lives. politicians deal with it, journalists deal with it. and sometimes we make jokes about these nasty letters you get or nasty e-mail, but never take it that seriously. this paper is not a left or right wing paper, it is a great local paper we all love, and so that's what's so frustrating about it. to be offended by this publication that reports on kids' sports games, cat stuck up a tree, average things like that that it covers, to be that offended is unfathomable. >> do you believe this was a premeditated attack, the suspect had apparently tried to obscure fingerprints, there was some reporting about. what do you know about what happened leading up to this? >> well, it looks from all
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indications that it was very premeditated. but i have been to that office. there's nothing anyone could have done. it is a standard office block. a nice building with rotating door you go through into a lobby, off to the right of the lobby is the glass doors to the capital newspaper room. and that newspaper room has no coverage. it is just a room with desks like any other news room you've seen. it must have been horrific for those people. >> one of those people, one of the interns in the newsroom at the time spoke with us on the "today" show. i want to play for you a little of what he had to say. >> i'm still trying to decompress. my heart goes out to the families and friends of the people that were unfortunately killed. that's never something that crossed my mind when i took the intern sh internship that i might see people die. people were nothing but
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welcoming to me. >> the families of the five victims, five members of the community wake up this morning with a hole in their heart and hole in their lives. have you spoken with family members? what did you tell them? what was your message? >> i mean, i haven't spoken to the families. we are giving them time. we made a public statement. we are having a candlelight vigil on the waterfront today. we're trying to bring the community together to show some solidarity and show how proud we are of those journalists that do this job for not much money, but do it because they love journalism. we are proud of the first responders that ran towards danger while everyone else had to run to safety. they depuidn't know if he had a machine gun, shotgun, grenade or anything. never give it a second thought. because of their quick actions, more lives were saved. >> mayor, where do you expect before i let you go, where do you expect the investigation to go next? >> what i want to say is this can't be the new normal.
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we can't keep accepting this and move on to the next massacre. can't have five people die in the community and nothing happens. i thought we were going to get some traction after the kids did the march for our lives and took it into their own hands because we adults were not keeping them safe. i thought this might be the thing that moves the needle, but there's been no traction on that. we have to look at gun control. we have to look at mental health issues. and we have to -- you know, a president that makes it okay to be angry, to be mad, we shouldn't be mad all the time. we need to take a deep breath and realize we're all neighbors and we might disagree on things, but we have to stop hating one another. >> mayor gavin buckley, thank you for coming on. bill bratton has been listening, you heard about next steps in the investigation, about the suspect. this grudge with this paper
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apparently started years ago. i will pose the same question to you that i asked the mayor. what more could have been done? did you think there were any red flags that should have been taken more seriously or not? >> well, there were a number of red flags certainly, the constant barrage of criticism toward the paper, but this individual fits the classic profile description of an injustice collector. everybody is against him. begins with social media contact he makes with a young girl he knew from school, who is the only one that ever smiled at him, paid any attention to him. he reaches out and contacts her through social media. she eventually gets fearful of him, tries to disconnect. he starts in some respects stalking her, then has this issue with the newspaper. this incident was not the first one directed at news media. 1997 in new hampshire was a similar case, a disgruntled individual, in a small town
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courthouse. local newspaper. killed the judge and editor and two state troopers, fled to vermont, found him in the woods, killed him after he shot several more law enforcement officers. these things unfortunately happen. >> bwhat does it say that polic call it a targeted attack? what do they have to know to be able to identify this as such? >> clearly it is a targeted attack. he knows this newspaper. he has issues with it. and some personnel that work there. this is not a random act walking into a newspaper office in america. this is clearly something that he planned. acquisition of the shotgun, bringing a shotgun with him. there was intent involved in this. >> how do you deal with an uncooperative suspect? you heard the mayor say the person is still not cooperating with them. what tactics are they trying to use to get him to speak? >> well, by now he's probably
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using the police term lawyered up. probably has an attorney that's been appointed by the court. i understand he is to be arraigned later today. he will be represented by a lawyer. any lawyer in america, first thing they're going to tell their client in this case the suspect, don't talk to the police. they're going to have to rely heavily on what they're able to obtain from neighbors, from whatever social media he maven gauged in, trying to put their case together in the sense of motive, preparation to testify. in this case, they may be going for first degree murder. not familiar with the statute structure. but there will be enough to make a case as to motive. a lot of it is conjecture unless he starts to talk. >> former nypd commissioner, bill bratton. thank you for coming on the show. we're waiting for the first court appearance by the suspect,
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set to happen in about 15 minutes from now. we'll have reporting on that when it happens. we're also watching a big day in court in virginia, this one for the president's former campaign manager. he is sitting behind bars this morning, but his lawyers are not. you're also looking at paul manafort. you also saw rod rosenstein, deputy attorney general, part of a tense hearing on the hill. talking about all of it after the break. ornings were made for better things than rheumatoid arthritis. before you and your rheumatologist move to another treatment, ask if xeljanz xr is right for you. xeljanz xr is a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough it can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. don't start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. tears in the stomach or intestines,
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paul manafort's attorneys and federal prosecutors are meeting about raids on manafort's condo and storage unit last year. manafort's attorneys say those searches violated his rights. they have to decide whether to throw out the evidence. ken delaney joins me. ken, a couple of things on this. number one, paul manafort ain't going to be there. he is no longer on house arrest, he is behind bars. number two, this is one of the more significant hearings in the manafort case so far, right? >> it could be seen that way, although the judge in the washington, d.c. case ruled that this material could be used. we are in virginia with a different judge. judge ellis, last we heard from judge ellis, when manafort's lawyers tried to get him to dismiss the indictment entirely on grounds that robert mueller
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exceeded his authority. the judge made provocative comments, seemed to question robert mueller and the idea of special counsel and why they were prosecuting manafort. couple days ago, judge ellis issued a ruling and roundly ruled in favor of the government and against manafort and decided mueller was perfectly within his authority. i think he's facing an uphill battle in the hearing. one other interesting thing, the search warrants unsealed provided interesting new details how manafort was in debt to russian oligarchs, and in big debt when he joined the trump campaign as chairman. that makes him a ripe candidate for intelligence exploitation. makes sense why they're putting so much pressure on him, why robert mueller may want his testimony and cooperation to figure out whether anybody in the trump campaign was cooperating with the russian election interference. >> and manafort does have the right to be there, so he could be there. we don't know from the producer in the courtroom whether he showed up or not, right? >> the court documents suggested
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he would not be there. filed a motion allowing him to not be there. you're right. he's in jail. he could come, he would be wearing a jail jump suit, has chosen to remain in confinement. >> keep close. house republicans aiming anger at the man who oversees the special counsel investigation, the one that ensnared paul manafort. talking deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. he was not afraid to fire back. a congressional confrontation turning testy. >> you're using this -- >> rod rosenstein, swatting attacks from republicans directing their red hot anger with the justice department at the man who oversees the special counsel investigation. >> whatever you got, finish it the hell up because this country is being torn apart. >> for hours, lawmakers laid into both the deputy attorney general and fbi director chris
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wray, political drama on camera, on fire. >> did you threaten to subpoena their calls and e-mails? >> nose, there's no way to subpoena phone calls. >> i'm just saying. i'm reading what the press said. >> i would suggest you not rely on what the press says, sir. >> who are we supposed to believe. >> thank you for saying it is not personal. because i am telling the truth and i am under oath. >> the house judiciary hearing was intended to look at the fbi actions during the 2016 investigation into hillary clinton's e-mail, with some gop lawmakers frustrated they weren't getting the sensitive documents they demanded. critics calling it all a cover for republicans attempting to discredit the special counsel. >> the purpose of this hearing is to undermine the fbi, to undermine mr. rosenstein, and to undermine our system of justice. >> luis gutierrez referencing trump's repeated insistence that angry democrats are leading the
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russian investigation. >> i do not consider myself an angry democrat. >> are you a democrat? are you a democrat? >> no, i am not. >> i am not a democrat and i am not angry. >> the white house pushing back on accusations the president's allies are trying to give him cover. >> they're acting as the president's political fixers. >> i don't think they're undermining the investigation. i think there's frustration on-going for 18 months, no evidence of russian collusion, so of course there's frustration of wanting to wrap it up. >> joining me, greg brour, former u.s. attorney for the office of congressional affairs at the fbi. knows a thing or two about the hearings. our panel, political reporter, and national political reporter from bloomberg politics. greg, have you seen rod rosenstein that publicly po 'd before? >> i think you saw a little frustration come out. on the whole, he was respectful
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to the extent possible to the process. he feels strongly about the issues, he is not going to sit there and take it when unfair accusations are leveled against the department. >> there are a couple of things we want to put in context. you heard a couple of republicans talk about the need to wrap it up. including trey gowdy who led the benghazi investigation. that lasted two-and-a-half years. this has gone on just over a year. put it in context of other investigations, much shorter than white water, iran contra, average investigation is still more than double how long this investigation has gone on so far. >> i was going to say this is a complex investigation and it is going to take some time. it has been productive. we have seen more than a dozen individuals and entities indicted, seen significant guilty pleas. congress would be well advised to be patient, let the special counsel simply do his work. >> we have the graphic showing there have been some 20 plus
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indictments. 17 for russian nationals or businesses, you had paul manafort and other members of people involved in the president's campaign at the time. yet republicans know how long the benghazi investigation took. how patient they were in those. why is that not set in this investigation? >> trey gowdy's comments this is tearing the country apart is ridiculous. it shows the country is torn apart the way the republicans make it a partisan issue. a republican source told me yesterday that the biggest driving factor for making republican voters and republicans across the country sort of disapprove of mueller and his team and the investigation is time. it is not the president and the way he is handling it. he said it is time. the longer it goes on, the more republicans are disapproving of what the report could be. >> rosenstein's anger shows the extent to which he is caught between desire to do his job responsibly at an agency that's supposed to be apolitical and passions of a political base that wants the justice
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department and the fbi to short-circuit procedures and this investigation because of support for the president. it is very rare you see doj and fbi officials under that kind of pressure. this all lays out the stakes for 2018. we saw this hearing. who voters decide to put in control of the house of representatives and senate will determine what hearings are had about this stuff. who has subpoena power, what con temp -- >> what does it say about lines of communication that are supposed to exist and be open between the fbi, doj and congress. are those burned to a crisp at this point? >> not necessarily. this is a relatively small subset of partisans on the house side only pushing this. you don't see this in the senate. in fact, don't believe there was a single democrat vote for the resolution passed yesterday. when oversight is done in a
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partisan way, should raise a red flag. >> thank you for coming on. the person at the end of that story, marc short will be on the show in about 15 minutes, talking about the supreme court, justice kennedy, the president's push to pick a successor for the seat. he will be joining us momentarily. want to talk about the president coming out with harsh words for the world trade organization. why he thinks the u.s. should cut ties. and back to annapolis. maybe in five minutes from now we think the suspect charged with killing five people at the local paper will face a judge. we head to break with this picture from "new york times." not long after their colleagues were killed, they were working on today's edition from the back of a pickup truck. plaque psoriasis can be relentless.
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we want to turn back to annapolis. we are getting charging documents for the suspect in yesterday's shooting. we expect that person's bail review to start any minute. he is charged with five counts of first degree murder. the probable cause statement says that he entered the business and shot individuals he encountered, murdering in the
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first degree the victims. he then tried to hide under a desk until the police arrived and they found him. as for the victims, we have been showing them to you. four were journalists. the fifth was a sales assistant. craig melvin is live in annapolis. craig, as we keep an eye inside court with his first court appearance of the suspect, we want to talk about what went down inside this news room. sounded terrifying from the interview with the intern on the "today" show that we just aired. you had a chance to speak with one of the capital's columnists, right? >> reporter: i did. before we get to that columnist, in a second here, in the charging document, this is a little more related to what happened inside the newsroom which is 200 yards from where i stand. says the gunman concealed himself under a desk until the police arrived where they found him. their surveillance video has
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been reviewed. i can tell you after conversation with the police chief a short teeime ago, he is not cooperating with police. when they came upon him in the business, he didn't put up a fight or engage, he tossed his weapon down, threw up his hands. as for the columnist you mention, he is a fellow that does some contract work if you will with the newspaper. he was not inside the building yesterday when it happened but he knows a lot of the people that were inside the newsroom at the time, and described the scene and conditions of the folks. devastating is the word top of mind. >> walked in through two glass double doors which of course mr. ramos shot his way in. and you go into a large open news room that is, you know,
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totally visible to a person or shooter. >> they were quite vulnerable. >> totally vulnerable because there was no belief of any need for any security which reflects on the town, the city of annapolis, and the paper and its desire to be. >> reporter: terry smith, contributing columnist with capital gazette talking about what the paper means to the community. this is a paper that's been around literally more than 300 years. it has ties to one of the oldest papers in the united states of america. there was a tweet, i'm sure you saw from one of the reporters as all of this was going down, in the aftermath of this going down, the reporter tweeting out we are putting out a damn paper tomorrow, and low and behold they did. the cover of the capital gazette here. they put the paper out and vow to put another one out tomorrow
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and the day after that and the day after that as well. >> craig, before i let you go, i want a sense of what you've seen on the ground. one of the things i love about the paper, talks about a long history. one of the first to publish the declaration of independence. on page two, local news was page one, that's what the paper does, focus on its community there, what are folks saying to you? >> reporter: they're all, whether it is the police chief or the county executive or the mayor who i spent time with a short time ago, they all knew someone or know someone that worked there. they all have some sort of connection with the newspaper. keep in mind, we are talking about an editorial staff of 31. daily circulation as of 2014 of about 30,000. this is a small newspaper, but also a newspaper that this community is very proud of. >> craig melvin. thank you. i appreciate it. see you later in the day. president trump back at homemade it clear he wants to
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reshape the role of the u.s. in global trade. no surprise there. some republicans seem surprised and not happy about a new report that he wants to withdraw the u.s. from world trade organization all together. this he threatened to withdraw a hundred times. it would totally screw us as a country. they did not use the word screw. hans nichols is at the white house. hans, the treasury secretary is throwing cold water on this one. what's the new development on this? >> among republicans there's confusion and concern about what the president is talking about doing in part because there's a distinction between the u.n. and wto. for the wto, there's been a sense this is a privilege sanctified ground and it helps the u.s. listen to senator toomey talk about the distinction between wto and the u.n.
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>> i just learned that and i am befuddled because the wto is not the u.n. the u.n. votes against us all the time, we get it. the wto has been an adjudicating body that sided with us routinely, over 80% of our cases i think we win. so i don't know why we would walk away from a body that resolves trade disputes in our favor. >> reporter: the nato summit coming up in a couple of weeks will be crucial. just what's the president's commitment to the international rules base order in the post world war ii era. >> hans nichols, see you at the white house in a few minutes. thank you. alexi, your reaction. this is an axios report. the secretary called it an exaggeration. >> as the source said, the president has repeatedly done this something like 100 times. maybe mnuchin is referring to the fact that aids haven't put policies in place to move forward.
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that doesn't mean trump isn't intending to move forward on it. there's a legal battle he would face, it would have to be approved by an act of congress to pull out of the wto, but it comes down to trump's feelings and america first agenda. he steconsistently feels is bei stim eeed by international bodies. >> he seems to view them as lousy, he attacked the u.n. and now wto and nato, pulled out of paris climate accord, iran deal. he has the idea that a lot of post world war ii order is not working for the united states, even though it brought the world closer together and 73 years preveppr prevented world war. >> thank you. president trump reaching across the aisle, trying to shore up critical votes for the upcoming supreme court pick. that nominee has to be ready for a fire storm. what can the white house do to diffuse the flames? we have marc short walking out to the north lawn to talk about
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it all started when donald trump tore thousands of immigrant children away from their parents. we the people challenged him in court and in the streets. then trump was forced to admit that his policy was wrong. and he caved. the court just ruled that trump must reunite every family he broke apart. (clock ticking rapidly) time is ticking. these children must see their parents again, and they're counting on us to act quickly. we expect to get a nomination from the president rather soon and we should be able to work through the confirmation process sometime before early fall. hopefully in time for the new justice to begin the fall term. >> that's majority leader mitch mcconnell, getting specific, laying out the time line in the
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most vivid terms for filling that vacancy at the supreme court. at the white house, full court press is on. the president met with six key senators about the critical supreme court vacancy. three red state dems who all voted for neil gorsuch, two moderates that will be critical, supportive of abortion rights and republican chair of the judiciary committee. those are six to watch. marc short, let's talk about the conversations that the president had. i have been told by sources at the white house the president was taking advice, this was a listening session according to folks familiar with these. what advice did the president get? what did he hear? >> i am not getting into private conversations. last time we went to the gorsuch nomination, we went to the hill, and following the same process this time. the president invited a handful of senators over for individual meetings to ask their advice on the process and what they would
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like to see in a nominee. >> did they name names? >> they were not naming names. it was more the type of caliber of a justice. names they're considering are open. it has been a transparent process with a list the president put forward for the american people to see. >> did the senators ask to come over or did you ask them? >> the president reached out, invited them over. >> when you talk about if you're not naming names, talk about general principles. one of the key ones for two senators the president spoke with is roe v wade, as we heard from susan collins. is this a specific question the president is planning to ask potential supreme court candidates? >> no. he's not asked that question. there's not a litmus test. for the american people, what's great is this is the first president to say this is the type of people i am going to choose from. it is an open, transparent process. you can see the caliber of the candidates he has put forward so
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far. gives people comfort who he will put forth for a supreme court opening. >> how confident that susan collins and lisa murkowski are important. how confident that they will not defect from where the gop is going on this? >> it is hard to predict that right now. i think a lot depends on the candidate the president puts forward and process moving forward, but we were grateful for their time last night and the guidance they gave us. we're not looking at this as a partisan vote, we are hopeful to earn democratic votes. hope to put forward a candidate with incredible -- >> there's a report you would like a nominee, the white house would like someone named for the seat before the president heads out on the oversees trip in a couple of weeks. accurate? >> i don't know that there's an artificial time line. >> there's a time line, right. >> the president likes to move quickly, knows the caliber on the list, interviewed the last
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go around, i don't think this will take a lot of time. i think we are on the same time line that you played a clip with leader mcconnell that he laid forth, that we hope that the candidates are named soon, get meetings in with senators. you have hearings toward the end of the summer, hopefully a floor vote in september so the person can be seated for the new session. >> when you look at naming a person, a pick to have some conversations with lawmakers, july 9th, does that sound about right to you? >> hallie, i am not getting pinned on a date. the president will move forward quickly. >> you talk about the retirement of justice kennedy, i was in the oval office when he talked about the meeting between himself and justice kenld earlier this week. the "new york times" is reporting how president trump singled him out for praise while attacking others for the supreme court. the white house nominated people close to him to important judici
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judicial posts. members of the trump family forged personal connections. did the white house put pressure on kennedy to retire? from those things, seechms likee did. >> he served for over 30 years on the supreme court. he is 82 years old. at some point it is likely to assume he is going to retire. i think some of that coverage is overblown because by nominating neil gorsuch who served as clerk for anthony kennedy, there was a close connection. anthony kennedy was here when neil gorsuch was introduced and when he was sworn in. so there is obviously -- gorsuch provided a close relationship with kennedy, but no pressure was applied. >> you say the president doesn't have a litmus test in conversations he will have with potential picks. is he or is he not thinking about social issues that he campaigned on, the idea of picking people that will overturn roe v wade. is that not in his mind? >> i think this administration is proud that we stood for life
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in many, many ways, not just in judges put forward but in policies the president put forward, like reinstating mexico city policy. but there's not a litmus test. not a case the president is asking about, not asking how they rule on x, y, or z case, looking at academic credentials, writing, how interviews go. that's the way this will proceed. >> two more questions. members of congress are also coming to the white house for the event the president will hold, a speech talking about tax cuts, six month anniversary. any new policy announced or more of a public pat on the back? >> i think it is remarkable to see what's happened in six months since the tax cut was passed, unemployment is at all time lows, tied a 50 year low, all time lows for hispanic americans and african americans. you see the dollars being repatriated. $3 billion revenue coming into the treasury, economy growing. we expect new gdp number for the second quarter soon that we're excited about, so there's a lot
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to celebrate, the way tax relief is working. when they laid out the plan for 1.9 gdp growth for ten years, we are already exceeding that. every one percent growth above 1.9, $2.5 trillion benefit in revenue to the treasury. we're excited about that. >> before i let you go, because we are talking about news of the day, what happened in annapolis, want to broadly ask. do you believe the president should stop calling journalists enemies of the people? >> i think right now we're all incredibly sad and sorry for the victims. it is impossible to know the pain they're going through. we are praying for them. i think the president, to try to make this political at this point, hallie, is not something we are looking to engage in that conversation. if msnbc wants to look at the rhetoric out of maxine waters, encouraging resistance toward trump administration officials, i hope you do that as well. right now, we think it is more
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important to share our sympathy for families and victims of the tragedy. >> not following the waters comparison. do you think the president will address this today? any expectation it will be part of a speech later on? >> i think express his condolences to those victims of the tragedy. >> as he has done so far. and sarah sanders, as have you. thank you. we'll be on swamp watch this morning. keeping an eye on ryan zinke why he found himself on the inspector general's radar and the new claims that scott pruitt had it out for a former aide. s . s . this is a car protected from storms by an insurance company that knows the weather down to the square block. this is a diamond tracked on a blockchain - protected against fraud, theft and trafficking. this is a financial transaction secure from hacks and threats others can't see. this is a patient's medical history made secure - while still available to their doctor at their fingertips.
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and vision. boost optimum. be up for life. we are on swamp watch on this friday. and we're talking about two members of the trump administration. one, epa administrator scott pruitt is a veteran of this segment on the program. the other, a newbie, ryan zinke. he is now under review for his possible links to a development deal in his montana hometown. a deal backed by the house of halliburton. the company whose bottom line is affected directly by what the interior department does. politico first reported on all of that last week. then you have got this latest headline on pruitt involving something we cannot say on the air. we had to blur it.
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accusing him of going after former aides that he felt betrayed him. with us now is one of the people who broke the zinke story, politico energy reporter ben lefevre, and ben, welcome to the show. first time, long time listener. first time caller i'm sure. let me play for you what zinke tried to explain about the deal and walk through whether this explanation adds up. >> we go out to dinner, we talk about the background of the park. what are the neighbors like. what was the vision of the park. where are the boundaries. where the water table is. because the water table has changed over time. what the railroad is, so they had the background. >> so explain what he's talking about and whether that explanation adds up to you. >> sure. he's talking about land that a foundation that he started about ten years ago a nonprofit owns in -- in white fish, montana. >> his hometown. >> correct. he's saying that he's no longer part of the foundation.
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he resigned from it when he started at interior, but his wife now runs it. so when he is saying that these developers backed by halliburton came over to talk to him about this land they wanted to develop adjacent to his park, it kind of confirms that he's involved with this deal, even though he has been saying he's not involved at all. >> now the interior department when we reached out after your reporting came out, they said listen, he removed himself when he got nominated to the cabinet. dotted all the is, crossed all the ts to unlink himself from creating a conflict of interest and secretary zinke went after some of what you had to report. >> and this nefarious reporter comes to white fish, my hometown, lies to the city. on record. lies to the developer. on record. takes pictures of an inner tube in the park and promulgates this story that it's about interior
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and halliburton. this is exactly what's wrong with the press. >> nefarious reporter ben lefev lefevre? >> we took a picture of the inner tube and as far as who we lied to, what lies are we accused of, you know, using? and they have not responded. so i don't know quite how to answer it. >> you stand by your reporting. >> completely. yeah. >> why is this such a concern if it is a concern? jump in here as well. >> well, it follows a pattern that trump's cabinet members increasingly use their position of power to benefit themselves. also the larger problem is this repeated claims of fake news. if they can't even provide lies that they're accusing you of and they're still claiming fake news in a moment like this which is what we saw yesterday, it's just terrible. >> there's a report that someone else who found themselves caught up in the questions of
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allegations of potential wrongdoing. scott pruitt. the daily beast doesn't expose any actual wrongdoing it seems but it does talk about pruitt in that headline. trying to go after people, former aides, that he felt were not portraying himself in the best light. aides he felt betrayed him. pruitt demands loyalty, the daily beast said he's not reciprocated to his aides. and what might that say about how pruitt operates if true? >> again, part of a trend of government officials and cabinet officials using their power to advance their personal interest, you know, i guess pursue vendettas. business interests for instance which is a culture that can be set from the top. the president has not divested himself from the businesses. he's been accused of mixing personal interests with the official government office. this issue of corruption and the appearance of corruption, some
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haven't been proven yet, it's hurtful to the president. there's no boundaries on corruption. everyone hates it and i think the president may believes he has a strong base of supporters and they attack the press but i think it hurts them. >> alexi, there's a reporting out that matches our nbc news reporting about john kelly leaving the white house in midsummer saying that "the wall street journal" and mull veney might be ascendant here. what are you hearing? >> and bill shine is apparently coming into the white house. i mean, this is just -- yes. i think that john kelly's certainly going to be out soon and the president might not even replace him because he thinks he's the best person for that -- >> i have heard that too. i want to wrap up today's show as we do with the big picture a photo that we think tells the story. this is a man being wheeled out by capitol police thursday. it came after hampton joined
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hundreds of demonstrators protesting the administration's zero tolerance immigration policy. a lot of them were chanting abolish i.c.e. they were wrapped up in aluminum blankets like the ones in detention centers. 575 people arrested including apparently one member of congress. the photographer here nbc senate producer frank thorpe. the demonstrations are continuing throughout the weekend. you can see the cities where protests are planned tomorrow. full coverage on msnbc and all weekend long, including sunday. i'll be on "meet the press" and hosting "nbc nightly news" sunday evening, 6:30. i hope you join me. right now, more news with ali velshi and stephanie ruhle. >> you're doing "meet the press" -- >> yeah. d.c. and then catching the shuttle up to new york and doing it up there. >> wow. >> i want to take sunday off and i'll watch. give that shout-out to frank thorpe for that photo. he's a member of our team in washington who keeps us apprised of the


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