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if you have any of these. tell your healthcare provider if you've had depression or other mental health problems. decrease alcohol use while taking chantix. use caution when driving or operating machinery. the most common side effect is nausea. my favorite role so far? being a non-smoker. no question about it. talk to your doctor about chantix. good morning, i'm alex witt here as msnbc world headquarters in new york. here's what's happening now. and then there were five. president trump with new word on his pick for the supreme court. and when prominent liberal voice talking about how to stop the nomination. day of protests, thousands will gather calling to reunite separated families. mid term battle, we'll go inside the numbers after at least one shocking primary result. and what it means for november. plus, hope hicks back in the
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mix? maybe. a new report on what new role she might play in the white house, rit here on "msnbc live." we begin with a picture of the white house appearing to challenge a new court order that families detained under the zero tolerance policy must be released within 20 days. so the "washington post" is reporting that the new filing does not explicitly say that the trump administration plans to hold families in custody beyond the 20-day limit. however it says officials plan to detain them as they go through immigration proceedings. which in many cases can last for months. now the news coming as about 750 demonstrations are set for today. in an effort to pressure the administration to reunite some of these families. and put an end to the zero tolerance policy. meanwhile president trump is at home in new jersey this weekend, and shifting his focus to the short list of candidates that he's considering for justice kennedy's replacement. here's what he said in an interview last night on whether the supreme court's landmark
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abortion decision will play a factor. >> are you going to ask your nominees beforehand how they might vote on roe versus wade? >> well that's a big one and probably not. they're all saying, you don't do that you shouldn't do that but i'm putting conservative people on. i don't think i'm going to be so specific. >> we have lot of people helps us sort out the day's headlines. white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. nbc's garrett headache. kelly is in new jersey and garrett in washington, cal perry in texas covering the protests to reunite migrant families. and also with us, kaitlyn burns from real clear politics. kelly, we're going to go to you first following the president in berkeley heights, new jersey. that's where he is spending the weekend. kelly, high on the president's agenda is the supreme court pick. what's the latest on that front? good morning, alex. the president is tweeting about his plans to announce the pick on july 9th. he's here with his family in new
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jersey for the weekend. spending time at his home on the trump property that is also the golf resort in bedminster, new jersey. he packed with him apparently the short list, a working list of 25 names and the president says he may have as many as six or seven that are in contention, and he may use part of this weekend and next to try to do some of the interview process to begin the selection. >> the president returned to his new jersey estate friday. for the first time in nearly nine months. while aboard air force one he revealed his legacy-making decision, his second supreme court nominee will be announced july 9. narrowed down if his working list of 25. look, i like them all. >> but i'm, i've got it down to about five. >> and his bedminster home could be the site for interviews. much like when he filled out his cabinet. >> i may have two of them come like the old days to bedminster,
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right? in an interview on fox business, the president was discussed if he would discuss abortion rights with job candidates in. >> that's a big one. probably not. they're all saying don't do that, you shouldn't do that, but i'm putting conservative people on. >> judging a caller's true identity, got by white house officials. aboard air force one wednesday night, the president was pranked by radio personality john melendez, a forum howard stern sidekick. the president apparently thought he was talking to new jersey democratic senator bob menendez. the phony caller even asked about immigration. >> they got to have security at the border. and that's a good issue for the democrats, too, bob. it's not like it's good for you or good for me. it's good for both of us. >> the authentic senator menendez used the joke to make a statement. saying i welcome any opportunity to have a real conversation with the president on how to uphold
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the american values. still hard to believe that such a call could actually take place. nbc hasn't been able to independently verify. can you judge if that sounds like the president. what does stand out is we've asked the white house a number of times, how did this happen? was this in fact the president's voice? they have declined to respond and certainly if it were not the president's voice, they would have ample opportunities to tell thaus it was the wrong thing. so figure this out for yourself how you want to address that. it was one of those instances where the president apparently speaking to someone he's known for many years, we're in new jersey, the president is a property owner here and bob menendez is a long-time senator from this state. the president will not be seeing the protests in washington, by virtue of being here for the weekend. >> they're happening right outside his door. kelly o'donnell, we'll see you again. kelly was mentioning the nationwide protests today, planned over president trump's immigration policy.
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let's go to nbc's garrett headache. across the street from the white house. where many of the protesters will be rallying today, it's in essence, garrett, sort of the epicenter of all of this today. what do we expect to see? >> we're just across the street from the white house here. organizers expect this empty park to fill up by the time things really get going here. around 11:00 today. attendees will be here for a rally. and a march across washington, could have as many as 50,000 people in attendance. the buzz phrase is to keep families together. that has been the key motivating issue. protests across the country since the zero tolerance policy at the border started to get so much attention. we've got a preview of the intensity of emotion over this a few days ago when there was a massive protest. almost 500 people in one of the senate office buildings here in washington. it speaks to the emotion of this issue. one of the main acts here today will be lynn-manuel miranda of
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"hamilton" fame. and kelly mentioned that the president won't see this not being in washington, d.c., but it will be very difficult to ignore the pictures, if you have 50,000 people here in washington and thousands more in cities all across the country which is the expectation this will be a nationwide movement with its center here in washington, d.c. but the idea being to draw attention to this issue in as many communities as possible. alex? >> okay. garrett headache where all the action gets under way shortly. thank you for that from washington. joining me now, kaitlyn huey-burns, political reporter for real clear politics. and alex siteswald. alex, are these protests more symbolic, or do you think they have tangible impact? >> i think they're largely symbolic, alex. but if you go back to the women's march, the first one that kicked this off the day after trump's inauguration last
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year, i remember a lot of concern among progressives and people involved in the mark that the energy would not sustain itself. and since then we've seen the march for science and attacks march. march for our lives which was the gun march after the parkland shooting. so i think they are very enthused that we continue to see these large demonstrations coming out, it keeps the energy up at a time when activists might want to tune out and give up. the biggest impact might be more internally inside the quote-unquote resistance to keep people engaged. >> what do you think in terms of confidence, kaitlyn? is the topic of immigration, is that giving democrats a boost going into the mid-terms? >> well it certainly is something that is appears at this point to really mobilize folks. we're seeing there has been a lot that has happened this week. but these protesters are trying to keep the issue of immigration, particularly the
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crisis at the border, that is still ongoing, 2,000 children still separated from their parents according to reports, keep that in the spotlight. the democrats feel like they have a lot to run on, this cycle in the mid-terms and i think we're starting to see immigration become one of those motivating factors. we've seen it certainly on the republican side for a long time now. but according, you know looking at these protests today. and what alex mentioned about these protests serving as organizing tools, you know, helping to register people to vote, helping to get people involved, i think you could see that kind of sustained and depending on what the administration does. >> okay. let's look at another topic that has far-reaching consequences. because alex, the president has already said he wants to pick a young supreme court justice, someone who could serve for decades. so age is a factor. what are the other ones that you're certain that will be in play as the candidates are
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vetted? >> well ideology is certainly a factor. trump has indicated that he would choose from a list of conservative judges, largely vetted by the federalist society. conservative judicial group. and trump in 2016 remember, said very controversially that he would only appoint a justice to the supreme court who would overturn roe v. wade. so there's already a lot of concern about that on the left and a lot of excitement on the right. these are people who have been fighting to overturn roe v. wade for decades. and action turning to the states where people are looking to enact state laws to protect abortion rights should roe v. wade be overturned. down the line there's so many things that the supreme court touches, that the president has to be careful as he played in the clip where he can't necessarily ask these judges how they would vote on specific things if they were confirmed, but you can look at their case rods, can you ask around the question to get an idea of whether they're with you or not. >> kaitlyn i'll curious what you make of all this. the president, alex is correct.
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he said that's key thing. he would definitely appoint a supreme court justice to overturn roe v. wade. in the interview recently, even this last night he says well you know, we're not, that's a big question. not planning to ask it. is that just a wink and a nod. do we know he's signaled he's not going to appoint somebody who isn't on the side of overturning roe v. wade? >> we've been told that the president has been considering justices that were on that list of 25 or so, that were put forth by you know the heritage foundation and justices who would or potential justices who would in fact adhere to conservative principles. and you've heard conservatives talk about everybody on that list would be acceptable to them in terms of that issue in particular. you're going to hear whoever emerges as the nominee, you're going to hear grilling from lawmakers during confirmation about this issue. it's really interesting, we're
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also thinking about ways in which democrats you know how very little leverage in terms of blocking the president's nominee. and so they're starting to articulate a message to, to hopefully pick off they think hopefully, pick off a couple of moderate republicans on the issue of roe v. wade. but also on the issue of health care. and you've heard from some red state democrats, even, some concern, those are going to be the the key votes in terms of keeping the democratic coalition together. joe manchin from west virginia, democrat, giving an interview yesterday, talking about if this person does indeed want to overturn roe v. wade or want to overturn the aca, affordable care act, that would raise concern for some people. >> interesting. i'm going to say two words. hope hicks. there are thoughts she may be returning to the white house. the president addressed this on board air force one. let's listen to what he said.
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well she be coming back to the white house, hope hicks? i've seen a report about that. >> i don't know, but i love hope. she's great. i hope that maybe -- i've been hearing little things like that. >> to both of you, i'll let you respond to this alex, first. there is the report, "vanity fair" had it in an article with the headline saying that she could be the next chief of staff. what are you hearing about that prospect or any other role for hope hicks in the white house? >> no one seems to leave trump's orbit entirely, they might be kicked to the outer reaches, but they continue to mine tan contact with the president and sometimes come back. this would be a faster return than we've seen for anyone else. there is, simultaneously a lot of rumors that john kely, the chief of staff might leave that sarah huckabee sanders, rod shaw in the press department might leave. and hope hicks has been with the president for a long, long time. she was there before he got into his presidential run.
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she's very, very close to him. she seems to have a connection with him that very few other staffers, very few people outside his family do. >> and she has a good relationship with the press the way that very few people in trump's world do. she's seen as fair and somebody you can work with, unlike some other people there. >> a final thought from you, kaitlyn? >> hope hicks is one of the few that's left this white house in the good graces of the president. she left on her own volition. it raises the question of why people would want to come back into this white house, given everything that they've experienced, you can tell even the president acknowledged that it's exhausting. >> kaitlyn and alex, thank you. more about the personal vendetta behind that attack on a maryland newspaper that left five people dead.
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the "capital gazette" filed harassment reports against the suspect in 2015. mike, good saturday morning to you. what's the latest on the investigation? >> good morning to you, alex. and first of all, this community, this historic community of annapolis, maryland trying to recover from the shock of the killing of five individuals in this building behind me. newspaper men and women at the the "capital gazette" in annapolis. five dead at the hands allegedly of this shooter, jarrod ramos. last night the community coming together in several venues for vigils, it's become an all-too-familiar sight around this country. in the main street of annapolis, they marched holding the copies of that day's newspaper, pup lished in spite of everything. they hold them aloft as they marched down main street. a vigil held talking about what's needed to heal this community and what's needed to address this spate of horrific shootings that happen around the
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country. one of the victims, the daughters of the victim, wendy winters, spoke with us last night and talked about her grief. >> i miss her very much. this is a senseless tragedy. and i have to life now without my mother. >> alex, i don't want to stand here and talk about what happened without mentioning the names of the victims one more time. rob hiaasen, wendy winter is rebecca smith, gerald fishman and rob mcnamara. jarrod ramos appeared by video hookup from the courtroom where he was denied bail. this newspaper pursued harassment charges against ramos in 2013 after a series of belligerent, threatening tweets towards the newspaper.
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they had published an account of his harassment of a former high school classmate. he had been harassing her. the newspaper ultimately dropped that suit. he did not have any record of a purchase of a firearm in maryland. the attorney for the newspaper said it would have been like sticking a stick into a beehive. they didn't want to provoke him. alex. >> mike, i'm glad you made mention of all five of their names, instead of just allowing them to be part of a horrible statistic that keeps growing by the day. the impending supreme court nomination vote may not fall along party lines. we have msnbc elections guru steve kornacki in studio. with the key races that may factor in how the nomination vote goes. i drink boost optimum. boost optimum with 5 in 1 advanced nutrition helps support muscle, energy, bone, normal immune function,
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justice kennedy's retirement makes the issue of senate control one of the vital issues of our time. the most important thing we can do. democrats want judges who will rewrite the constitution any way they want to do it. and take away your second amendment, erase your borders. throw open the jailhouse doors and destroy your freedoms. >> there's the president calling on his base to elect more republican senators at a rally in north dakota this week.
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while senate republicans are hoping for smooth sailing on the confirmation of the president's next supreme court pick before the election. well democrats hope to complicate the matter as best they can, given that they are the senate minority. steve kornacki, msnbc national political correspondent is here with a look at the state of play in the senate. let's get to it. good morning, steve. >> good morning, alex. let's take a quick look at the math here, democrats want to stop this their activists want them to. the problem for democrats on paper, they don't have the votes. there's no more filibuster in the senate on these things. remember that so 49 is what democrats have, 49 is not enough. so a couple of things for democrats, they got to stay united and they got to pick off some republican, let's take a look here at how that breaks down. in terms of the critical question there of can democrats pick off republicans? potentially these are the two folks they're talking about right now. collins, murkowsky, both pro choice republican senators, both sending some signals this week that hey, you know maybe not necessarily automatic yes votes
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on nomination from this administration. so those are the two right now that the speculation is kind of focusing on. other potential ones up here, we haven't seen any signals from them. so look at it this way. let's say that collins and murkowsky ended up being no votes, that's a huge, huge "if" here. but let's say republicans have 51 votes. john mccain is sidelined. that takes republicans down to 50. the bare minimum. if you lose collins, if you lose murkowsky, obviously now you're down to 48. and for the moment, that's not enough. kbu the flip side. if you take the 48 and look at the democrats there are democrats who are running for re-election this year in states that donald trump carried. states not just that he carried, but carried in a landslide. so those democrats, tremendous political pressure on them. in particular joe manchin, west virginia. heidi heitkamp, north dakota, you played trump in north dakota this week. joe donnelly in indiana. trump winning these states by 20, 30, 40 points in 2016.
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all three of these last year voted for neil gorsuch, trump's first supreme court nominee. we run 48 on the last screen. if you have those two republican defections, if heitkamp ends up being a yes vote that would be 49. donnelly, that would be 50. manchin that would take to you 51. there's a track record, these three already voted for a trump supreme court pick. all three of them are fighting for their political lives this year. in states that trump won in a landslide. that's the ace in the hole republicans are kind of thinking on this. they got the 51 and got some tremendous pressure on these three democrats, keep an eye, unlessen in florida, said he's not an automatic. doug jones, he's not up this year, but he's up in 2020. not a long way off and alabama you know, the circumstances he won that seat very unusual, going to be very hard for him to hang on in a state trump won by
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almost 30 points. when republicans look at this and say we got the votes, we can get this through in september, that's what they're thinking, they're thinking hey, long shot a lose murkowsky and colins, even if do you, there's going to be tremendous political pressure on the democrats to go along with the administration to try to save their own jobs. >> pretty extraordinary how a looming re-election can influence how someone will vote on something. >> the mid-terms and your interpretation of what we take away from the alexandria ocasio-cortez defeat of joe crowley. >> i guess these things happen in life sometimes. it's shocking, beyond surprising when it happens and then you start to look back at it and you say -- well why didn't we all see this coming? i think that's sort of the case here with this joe crowley race. on paper you're talking about he's number four democrat in washington, but really he was number two. he was next in line when pelosi stepped aside and yet back in his district, the demographics
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were changing he was sort of a throw-back politician, sort of an old-school machine politician in a district that was getting much more diverse. it was 75% nonwhite. he was put in there by a political machine two decades ago. you had an activated base, a changing district. you had an incumbent. some indications maybe he wasn't fully paying attention, there's the perfect storm scenario. i think the broader implications beyond the district in new york. that's the democratic nationally. it is getting younger, more diverse, it is moving to the left politically. when you start looking ahead to 2020 in the presidential race, those demographic changes, those ideological changes that did in joe crowley, are they going to reverberate in the presidential race. >> given this margin, do you have a map that can show a clear path of how democrats take control of the senate? >> i say there is no clear path. if you want to talk about senate control, on paper as we said right now 51/49 for republicans.
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normally a mid term year is good for the opposition party. democrats are already sitting on 49. they wouldn't need much to get over 50, they need two, 51 is what they need. the problem for democrats is this. all of the seats, minus doug jones in alabama, every single one of these things you see here is a democrat running for re-election this year in a state tra trump won. they've got to carry all of those just to stay at 49. already there's polling that has heitkamp trailing in north dakota, donnelly looks like he's in trouble there. missouri, florida, they could lose ground. the only two big gain opportunities, nevada, arizona, maybe tennessee. so it's one of those on paper it's there for democrats, but then you start looking at it and wow, that map does not look friendly to them. can you come on my show every day, steve kornacki? within hours refugees
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those three young ladies were teaching the whole school about energy efficiency. we actually saved $50,000. and that's just one school, two semesters, three girls. together, we're building a better california. we've got thousands across this country gearing up to protest the separation of children from their families. among them in el paso, texas the
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latest, nbc's cal perry is covering that for us. had do you expect to see where you are? >> we'll see at least a few hundred people, maybe a few thousand marching from where i am to the footbridge that connects el paso to the city of juarez, you can expect to hear a lot about this tent city that exists 40 minutes to the south of me at the border, at least 326 children are being held at least 23 of those kids are still separated from their parents, no word on those reunions and no word on the broader reunions of course at least 2,047 children still separated from their parents across the country. that is what you can expect to hear from here as the march will get under way in about 90 minutes. alex? >> we know you're going to keep an eye on that for us, cal perry, good to see you. today is a day of uncertainty for hundreds of people from puerto rico who have been displaced after hurricane maria. some staged a protest this week because housing vouchers they received from fema expire at midnight tonight. so tomorrow they could be out on
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the street. here's one mother's story from nbc news digital.
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so taek a look at this map. it is dotted with locations, there are at least 750 of them where protests against family separation, they're set to take place today. from one coast to the other and all of those parts in between. joining me now, a participant and speaker at the dc march and rally and the author of the book, my family divided and you're going to recognize or many of you, she's also the star of "orange is the new black" diane guerrero. with a big welcome to you, your personal experience with immigration is remarkable to say the least. talk about it. >> well i was separated from my family when i was 14 and i understand the kind of damage that does to a family. what it's done to me. and i have to say i've been very lucky. because i have never experienced what some of these children are experiencing today. and that's why i'm here to talk about it. >> what was that like, being separated at 14 years old. your parents get deported, your brother gets deported, you're left behind. >> yeah. i mean as you can imagine, it
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was very difficult. i had to be very imaginative. to get where i am today. and i had a very strong community, thank god. that took me in. and a school that supported me. and because i wasn't separated at an earlier age, i had enough confidence from and the love of my parents to sort of continue on with my dreams and but i was very alone. i didn't have any stories to reference this wasn't something that was of national conversation. so that's why i have shared my story. with millions, because i want these children who are going through this, not to feel alone. to have an open conversation about what this does to families. >> but you've said that you have a strong community. was it family? with whom did you live? >> it was family friends, i didn't have much family in boston where i grew up. it was my school, i went to an art school that supported me.
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and that you know, everyone took part in that development and i was very resourceful. but i know that it's one in a million, it's not you know, and i was, i am a citizen so that made it easier. but not everyone has this journey. it's not as easy for everyone. >> you were born here. when they left did you worry that you might never see your family again? >> well i went to colombia and i visited them. but i mean it was a very different life for all of us. we were emotionally so damaged. and the trauma had been so harsh for us. it just changed our lives forever. i mean we already had been living in fear. and then when it happened, it just -- it really did change the course for us. but yeah, i worried what would happen to me if i would go to school. if i, if i would be able to take care of myself.
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those things were sort of unknown for me. and i mean i managed. and i think that why i'm sharing is because there wasn't really, i didn't find that support that i needed from my country at the time. i think now we're having a larger conversation about it. i want to be part of that conversation. >> you're going to be. >> i know you're going to be at the rally in lafayette park. i believe there are up to 50% or more expected there. you're following lin-manuel miranda, as you take the stage. this is passionate for you and you've lived it. what's the message you're going to send? >> the message to the families and the children is that they're not alone. that they have people who care about them. and love them and that we are fighting for them. we are also sending a message to the white house and to the country that we're not going to stand for this injustice.
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that separating children from their families is wrong. it's immoral, it's inhumane. that's not the kind of country that we want to be. we need to unite and we need to get together and vote in november. >> is there a statement made do you think by the fact that the president is not in residence across the street today, able to look out a window and watch this rally personally? >> yeah. the statement is -- he doesn't care. >> and your family today, where is everyone? >> everyone is in colombia. and they're rooting for me. my parents are so proud of me. and they're so happy that i was able to hone this, my story and our truth. and fight for families who are going through the same thing. >> i got to tell you, your family has good reason to be proud of you. you have a lot of fans in the studio and it has a lot more to do with just what you do as an actress on "orange is the new black" and also the author of the book "my family divided."
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diane garia, we're very much impressed by you. coming up at the top of the hour, "a.m. joy" looking at the issue surrounding the families involved in the protest. the aggressively hostile treatment by republicans of rod rosenstein on capitol hill, what did it accomplish? - dad's got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. - she outsmarts me every single time. - checkmate! you wanna play again? - anncr: prevagen. healthier brain. better life. let someone else do the heavy lifting. tripadvisor compares prices from over 200 booking sites to find the right hotel for you at the lowest price. so you barely have to lift a finger. or a wing. tripadvisor.
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new this morning, democrats preparing for quite a showdown over president trump's supreme court justice nomination. in an interview on hbo's "real-time with bill maher" filmmaker michael moore gave new details on the republican strategy. >> sadly mccain will not be able to vote so it's a 50/49 vote. come on. come on, i know we have to got to push it off until after november. we first have to find ways to stop that vote from happening. >> find ways? what does that mean? like what? >> i'll join a million other people surrounding the united states capitol. >> let's bring in jonathan alter, columnist for the "daily beast" and han msnbc political analyst and republican strategist. lauren zell, managing director of fp 1 strategies. good morning to you both. so jonathan, is that the
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democrats' best and only option at this point? get a million people to rally and essentially according to michael moore, literally block people from being able to get in there and take that vote? and is this also a toss-up as to whether the dmom stragss could produce any real tangible results? >> i actually, i respect michael moore and a lot of what he's done. i don't think that's the right strategy at this point and i think democrats have to think harder about what the actual pressure points in the senate are. and how to for instance get senator lisa murkowsky, senator susan collins, to come around and vote their conscience. they're both pro choice. >> so the president nominate somebody who is not pro choice, jonathan? >> he is. 100%, he will nominate somebody who is not pro choice. >> isn't it a guarantee that those two will turn? >> it's not a guarantee at all. they have a lot of counterveiling pressures on them and i also thirk there's a problem with a couple of democrats, i personally think
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that judge amy coney barrett is going to be the choice. in part because she is from indiana. which would put a lot of pressure on senator joe donnelly, who is running for reelection, a democrat running for reelection in indiana. he's got a very tough race. that's a pro-turn state. he voted for gorsuch. they not only have to get collins and/or murkowski, they have to hold the democrats so this is a difficult tactical challenge for democrats. they mostly need to also expand the argument, and the best new argument, which senator cory booker put on the table last night, is to say that there should be no appointment, no confirmation process until after mueller completes his investigation because it's a total conflict of interest since so many issues related to this
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investigation might come before the court. you can't have a trump appointee. you can bet that he's going to ask these people for their loyalty. that's what he's done with everybody else he's appointed, so that would immediately knock that person out of the box when it should knock that nominee out of the box when it came to ruling on these very difficult questions. can a president obstruct justice? can a president be indicted? there are many, many legal questions that will very likely go to the supreme court that come out of the mueller investigation, and so they just need to keep eight members until that investigation is completed. people say, oh, supreme court can't function with eight. well, they did, remember, after scalia died in february of '161'161, it was a year and a half when they only had 8. this nomination process can be put off. those are legitimate grounds and
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i think senators should be appealed to on that basis. >> you mention amy coney barrett and i got an e-mail from peter, who's going on the broadcast later. that's the name that comes to the top for him as well. laura, now, do you think these demonstrations could backfire on democrats? could that inevitably mobilize counterdemonstrators, energize republican voters? >> certainly. this week was really interesting because this is the reason that people on the right who did not like donald trump during the election voted for him. they held their nose and they said, it's about the supreme court, and nothing motivates the right more than the judiciary. i mean, i understand michael moore's perspective, and i do think that, you know, this -- this could be an issue that will motivate the left, but it won't motivate it as much as it motivates the right. and also, we have to remember here, the senate map still doesn't look good for democrats, so i've been kind of confused by
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these arguments. i actually think that jonathan makes a good point, referencing what cory booker said. i think that's a more legitimate argument than just saying, well, it's an election year. it's not the presidential year so the person choosing the nominee is not going to change so what you're seeing -- that's the flaw, i think, one, in that argument. and two, say what you will about the house, but the senate map is not good for democrats so for these people that are saying, wait until after the election, i think, why? so you can confirm it with a stronger gop majority? because the map for -- in the senat senator dems this year isn't terribly friendly. >> if it goes that way. i have not too much time left. i want to get to the house judiciary committee hearing. the gop ramped up the attacks on rosenstein during the hearing. take a look at this. >> you know, they talk about the mueller investigation. it's really the rosenstein investigation.
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you amointpointed mueller. >> there's an old saying that justice delayed is justice denied. whatever you got, finish it the hell up. because this country is being torn apart. >> mr. rosenstein, why are you keeping information from congress? >> congressman, i am not keeping any information from congress. >> i want to know why you won't give us what we've asked for. >> sir, i certainly hope your colleagues are not under that impression. that is not accurate, sir. >> i'm going to let both of you have a crack at this. we only have about a minute left. jonathan, your reaction to that. are the republicans just doing the bidding of the president, trying to paint him in this way that he's not forthcoming? >> they're pathetic water carriers and they put the "h" in hypocrisy. trey gowdy spent two years on
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the benghazi investigation with nothing. rosenstein has real evidence of wrong doing that he's uncovered so gowdy was completely out of line. jim jordan said, why won't you turn over records of phone calls? and rosenstein said, because there aren't records of phone calls. like, they don't know what they're talking about. they were just trying to harass rosenstein. >> and your thoughts on this, lauren? >> well, it was certainly good political theater. i think a lot of people on the right have -- still have a lot of anger about the text sent by peter strzok in 2016 about stopping donald trump but what i would look at is if you look at ron desantos, running for governor of florida, this is political theater at its finest. i don't know that it did anything to advance the investigation. but you got to look at the politics around this more than anything else. >> yeah. all right. always good to talk with both of you. lauren, jonathan, thank you so much. coming up next, joy reid is going to be in washington. she's covering today's families belong together rally there.
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that is a wrap of this hour of msnbc live. right now it's time for a.m. joy with my friend, joy reid. i'm going to hand the reins over
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in d.c. >> the people united will never be divided. ♪ going to rise like the water ♪ free our families now we care, we care, we care. >> good morning, and welcome to a.m. joy live from washington, d.c. this week, as a federal judge ordered the trump administration to reunite thousands of migrant children separated from their parents by the department of homeland security, protests have erupted around the country. all leading up to today. expected to be the largest day of protests thus far in this crisis of the administration's making. today, thousands of americans in more than 600 cities will take to the streets. the goal of today's belong together marches is to demand an end to trump's zero tolerance immigration policy, to call for migrant families to be reunited immediately, and to send a


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