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we were not supposed to win. we hadn't won a senate seat there in 25 years, and they were able to get people of color out. they were able to put -- >> that's because they called every single voter. >> and they -- >> every voter. >> and they did everything -- >> not the usual voters. every voter and said we need you to be present. >> if nonvoters participated in the election, everything would change. you change everything. that's my soap box. get on it. >> sing my jam. >> thank you very much. both of you for hanging out with me. i know you want to get to the rally. that's our show for today. alex witt, alex, my girl. >> i'm so glad to see you're in the middle of all of it. we'll pick up where you left off. good day to all of you. i'm alex witt. 9 certainly a day of protest. and a demand for action in hundreds of cities across the
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u.s. with one message aimed at the white house. >> you are not alone, and if you ever feel alone, think of me and all the other people in the world who want to help you and your family get together. >> you are sending a message. we are sick and tired of seeing little children, seeing little babies taken from their mothers. >> say it loud, say it clear, immigrants are welcome here. say it loud say it clear refugees are welcome here. >> i am on the side of fighting to help families stay together. >> the marchers demand change from the president's tweets about ice. 204 2047 is the number of children
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still separated from their parents as a result of the zero tolerance policy. we begin with live pictures. this from across the united states from sea to shining sea, you're looking at demonstrations right now in new york city taking thousands of the streets. they are protesting this administration's family separation immigration policy. we're hearing from iconic civil rights leaders. we've shown you john lewis and young americans all with a message to those children now forcibly split from their parents. >> you are not alone, and if you ever feel alone, just think of me and all the other people in the world that want to help you and your family get back together. >> you are sending a message. we are sick and tired of seeing little children, seeing little babies taken from their mothers. it's not right. it's not fair, and history will not be kind to us.
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the world is crying with us. we must show the world. >> the voice is resonating. the message very clear. that scene repeated as you can see here in at least 750 locations today as this map is indicating. many rallies underway right now at this hour. taking us through the action nbc's garrett haake in washington. blake mccoy in new york city. calipa cal perry and mariana. blake mccoy is following the protest outside this building in new york city. blake, a good day to you. let's talk about what's going on where you are. >> hi, alex. this has been a protest on the move today. it started in lower manhattan outside city hall. it's now spanning the entire length of the brooklyn bridge as
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people cross over into brooklyn here for an organized rally that will be taking place. a big march going on. i would estimate at least 10,000 people. among the folks who have come out today, heather, jason and little lucy from queens. why was it so important for you to be here today? >> we just feel like as parents we couldn't stand by as parents and watch other parents lose their children. it's really important for us to be out there and supporting people. all children should be with their parents no matter what. this month was our birthday month. lucy and i both had a birthday one week apart. we did a fundraiser. we raised about $12,000 together for together rising. >> you did that to organize money. >> it's important to us, even with the executive order, there's still a lot of kids that aren't reunited with their parents. i don't know how any parent could stand by and watch that.
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we felt we needed to do something. >> jason, your thoughts on the president's immigration policys? >> we're all humans. we need to do it for people. >> great, all of you, thank you very much. >> reporter: yeah, this is just a taste of the crowd that's out here. people are fed up. they are energized and making their voices heard. another element to this today, we've seen a lot of voter registration happening. the feeling here is that they need to continue this energy into november, into the midterms to really have an impact. >> okay. all good points you're making for us, blake. it's great the families are getting out there and demonstrating. to el paso, texas. let's talk act texas. what are you saying, cal? >> reporter: alex, this march has finally reached the border. a few thousand people. that's the border. you can see the fbi and i.c.e. and cbp.
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on the other side is the city of horez. these cars are returning. the first thing they say as they get to the u.s. is this. this protest. i want to introduce you to roger. roger has been screaming. what were you screaming for earlier? >> we're the children, man. >> reporter: and -- >> where are they? >> reporter: and tell me what you're doing out here. >> we came down here to, you know, harass the trump administration, those idiots. >> reporter: what do you think? there's been a lot of talk in d.c. about i.c.e. what does it mean to this community? >> i.c.e. means -- look at these guys, man. they're the gestapo. it's like what the nazis did, they got the gestapo.
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they got a gestapo to mexicans. >> reporter: when you talk to people here, you don't hear i.c.e. is an agency. you hear it separates families in the middle of the night. the tent city overhangs this. some 362 children at least in the tent city. no word on when they'll be returned to their families or how. when you talk to people here you hear it doesn't do a lot of good to say you're going to reunite the families if you're deporting the families. it becomes impossible for the federal government to do that. >> it does. you bring up i.c.e. very important given the community you're covering. i'm not sure my director will be able to follow me. i want to make a point the president put out two tweets this morning specifically relative to i.c.e. throwing his support that way. very like lie in anticipation of what was going on today. there they are. great. thank you for putting them up. the democrats are making a strong push to abolish ice. one of the toughest most
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spirited law enforcement groups of men and women that i have ever seen. i have watched ice liberate towns from the grasp of ms-13. he says to the great and brave men and women of ice, do not worry or lose your spirit. the radical left dems want you out. next it will be all police. zero chance. it will never happen. i've never heard anybody say they want to eradicate the police. thank you, cal. we'll keep in close touch and see what's happening as the day progress progresses. let's go to marianna in los angeles. good morning to you. let's talk about the situation where you are. >> reporter: alex, this march in l.a. is set to start in about an hour and a half. you see organizers behind me. they are setting the stage for a rally that they say will have
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more than $10,000 people here in the city of los angeles. now, they're expecting the mayor celebrities, and this march will start on this stage behind me. you can see city hall is over to my left. they will walk for about a mile. so 30 minutes down that way. make a left on alamada and finish in front of a nice facility. as you were talking with blake and cal, a lot of the outreach here today targeted toward ice. and also to the fact that these family reunifications, the 2047 children who still remain separated from their parents, according to many people here on the ground and to the organizers, they're not happening fast enough. >> yeah. there's been a lot of complaint about that and the timing. all right. let's go down to lafayette square across the street from the white house. the president not in residence there. we have garrett haake covering
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everything for us there. garrett, that got underway a bit over an hour ago. tell me how things stand. about how many people are approximately there. >> reporter: alex, it is hot. people are packed into this park, and they're fired up. a minute ago we were overtaken. i'm behind the stage. overtaken by cheers for people saying vote them out. fired up about this immigration proposel. there's a man standing next to me who is probably particularly happy to hear that sentiment. the chairman of the dnc. i think there's two sets of images that matter. the pictures from the border over the last couple of weeks and the pictures people are going to see from the rallies all around the country today. how do you see those things relating? can these pictures make a difference in changing the things we've seen at the boarder? >> i think these pictures are worth millions of votes. back when the voting rights act was debated in the 60s, the images of bloody sunday were all
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across america on television. people saw america at its worst. and it helped bring the voting rights act to fruition. the notion that we would separate parents from their children brings back images of some of the darkest moments in american history. and then the proposal to establish internment camps for families is equally unlawful and inconsistent with our values. i think our secret weapon is what you see out here today in washington d.c. what i saw in brownsville when i was there earlier this week, and what we see across this country. americans are stepping up for our democracy. i've spoken to republicans, democrats, independents who are here today saying [ speaking foreign language ] we're the united states of america, not the divided states of america. >> reporter: is this a democratic issue? >> this is a fundamentally american issue. this is about family unity. family values, i thought, were
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the mantra of the republican party, but not anymore. the party of lincoln has apparently -- is dead, and has been replaced by the party of trump. i'm not simply here as the head of the democratic party. i'm here as a father. there's so many parents across this country who feel the same way. >> can i connect this back to politics for a second? the fight we'll be talking about over the summer is the supreme court. are the issues related? we have a presidential executive order. we have court injunction in a district court. does the supreme court fight that's coming up, does it have implications about the separations at the border and that something the democrats who have not fought on judicial picks the way republicans have, is that an issue? >> this election in november, the supreme court, the fight about parents staying with their
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children, the fight about health care is the fight about the soul of our nation. it's the fight about our values as a nation. we believe health care is a right for all and not a privilege for a few. we believe women's reproductive health is sacrosank and well settled. we believe our immigrant tradition has always made america great. these issues will be on the table in november and democrats have been winning elections up and down the ballot in every zip code whether it was doug jones last year, ralph northam in virginia. red states, blue states, purple states, democrats have been winning and we're winning because we're putting our values into action. today's rally is about what we are as a nation. we're fighting for our democracy. that's what we're fighting for. >> reporter: i think we'll leave it there. alex, i would love to chat, but with 10,000 people in this park, i have no cell phone service. i've completely lost my ability to hear you. i'll throw it back to you in new
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york for you. >> i will take it. we completely understand. thank you so much for that interview, particularly the words from the dnc chair. let's bring in victoria. i think in the interview tom perez may have boiled it down to one concept. that is we the united states of america, not the divided states of america. and yet, over the past 17 months there has felt like a tremendous divide here. how much of the divide that people are feeling all across this country has to do around this issue of immigration? >> immigration has been an issue that has always divided us as a nation. when we go back to the alien and sedition acts, if we take that as an example. i think when we speak of immigrant families, that's a whole different ball game. when we're talking about families. when we're talking about mothers and children, and when i was listening to the interview with tom perez, i thought about
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barack obama's words many years ago. we're not red states or blue states. we're the united states of america. and the fact that we are seeing these marches all across the country, not just in los angeles and new york, your blue states but here in texas, here in austin. we're going to be having a massive rally in az arizona. when it comes to families, to family values, that is quintessentially american. and the politics starts to subside. i think this is a very important moment that we are seizing as a country that the divisiveness, the divisive rhetoric that we've seen for the past several months is something that i think has reached an extreme, and we're starting to come together as a nation on this very core family values pillar we are as a nation. >> it's extraordinary. i think about the gop conservative groups that hold their family values summit, and this seems to fly in direct face of what the definition of family
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values is or ought to be. regarding the take aways from the protests, what do you hope comes from the protests? >> so i want the message to be loud and clear, but i also want it to be a propulsion forward, because even though -- i'm sorry, president trump offered the executive order of stopping family separation, there is still a very grim road ahead of us. to begin with, that we are starting to see the explosion of family detention centers. so just last week we saw an rfp put out for an additional 15,000 beds in family detention facilities. and these are not warm and fuzzy places. i've been to them. it's essentially a prison with some blue paint slapped on it to make it feel friendly and family-like. these are prisons. so even though the families will
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not be separated, which is a good thing, we're putting families in prisons. we're putting these young children in prison-like facilities. so if we think about what that does to these people who already have suffered so much in fleeing their countries that are ridden by violence and murder and they're coming to the united states to seek safety, this is a travesty, and we can't stop now. we have to keep pushing forward. >> victoria, i know we're going to be checking in with you. you'll be monitoring the protests. i'll look to speaking with you over the next couple of hours. meantime, what is the president doing while all the protests are underway including across the street from the white house? we know he's tweeting a new message to those who want to abolish ice. we'll talk about it next.
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this is what's happening all day. there are protesters across the country marching against the trump administration's immigration policy. in fact, more than 750 marches are planned today. all under the banner families belong together. the crowds gathering in new york. they're braving 8 6 degree heat and the planned march across the brooklyn bridge. we can zoom in on the new york march. we know that a familiar face to
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all of you, reverend al sharp n sharpton. it's not what this country stands for. we believe in immigration in this country. we believe in refugees and being
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able to have asylum seekers seek safety in the country. what we're doing to families is morally wrong. that's why so many people are speaking out, standing up, marching, being heard. it makes all the difference in the world. >> i want to ask you the same question i asked tom perez about the visuals. it shocked people when they saw pictures of the families at the border. how do the images of today counteract that? which tells us more about who america really is? >> america is a loving country. we care about one another. we believe that we should look after one another and we're always believed in statue of liberty. we take refugees in crisis. immigration is supposed to protect families, not destroy them. not tear them apart, not leave children without a mother or father. we have over 2000 kids right now that are going to need to be somehow reunited, and i don't think this administration has any plan to do it. it's a crisis. americans need to speak out and say this is not okay.
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we have to fight against it. it's who we are as a country. >> what's the role for the united states congress in this? when do senators and the house need to step in and get involved in this? >> i think they need to be involved, and we are involved. we're speaking out as individuals, as elected leaders we're visiting the detention sites in texas. i've met with families and met with children in west chester yesterday who are in a family facility for unaccompanied minors and children who have been separated from their parents, and it is a policy that's so destructive. i can't imagine what these children are going through and what their parents are going through. i asked each one, do you have a plan to reunite with their parents? do you know if they're here? they didn't have any plans. >> reporter: talking around out here, i've seen a lot of signs that say aboll iish i.c.e. that's broad alive something you support. why do you see that as a
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solution? >> i think the mission of i.c.e. is no longer being accomplished. it's becoming a deportation force. i believe you should separate the missions. immigration should be dealt with as immigration issues. it's a humanitarian issue, and the criminal and border security issues should be dealt with differently. even i.c.e. agents said we're not able to deal with the human or drug traffickers and criminal element that's trying to come across the border. there's a big difference between criminal justice and immigration. particularly refugee status and asylum seekers. that's a humanitarian issue. that's a criminal issue. we need to separate the issues and start doing his job better. >> reporter: i'm going to end it there. neither one of us can compete with alicia keys. i can barely here. back to you in new york. >> it's all good listening to all three of you.
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okay. garrett, thank you for that. joining me now a political reporter fror the los angeles times. ladies, welcome to you. talk about what we are seeing today, this big movement and the expectations that there will be change, something forthcoming from this. is that the expectation? >> certainly that's why the protesters are going out there. this movement, obviously, in reaction to a lot of the startling images playing out on television in recent weeks of seeing these children separated from their parents. very emotional videos of children crying at the border. to the point that it even triggered a reaction at the white house. we know that president trump signed the executive order to reunite these families because of these images. ivanka trump, his daughter, and his wife melania trump urging him to really change course and
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take an approach that keeps these families together. obviously that's impacted them, but also, obviously, impacting a number of americans who believe that there's a humanitarian -- a humane way to do this, and it's not separating children from their parents. that's not the way to solve this issue. >> sema, it appears as this signing the executive order has almost fallen on deaf ears. why do you think that is? is it because of the power of what was happening at first? the pictures, the concept of mothers and having their children ripped away from them. that time magazine cover of the president looking down on a little tiny girl, a two-year-old, saying welcome to america? i mean, are people buying the president's position now? >> i think his base is. his base certainly is. i think the question is democrats certainly are not. there's talk about now keeping families together, but imprisoning them or detaining them indefinitely. it's another thing. i think people are skeptical of the president's executive order. particularly the people on the
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left, not people on the right, i'm sorry. you're seeing the passion because the issue has drawn people out and away that we saw with parkland or the women's march. this passion has continued on the left since the president has been inaugurated. i think a lot of people wonders, people out in the streets on the weeks after the inauguration, but would the passion continue or would people get back to their everyday lives? the question is do they turn out in november and vote in the midterm elections. >> yes. can i ask if there's a interpretation with the fact that the president is not in residence. here's nowhere near any demonstrations unless some that crop up that are not on the official docket in new jersey. there's a concept he could be at the white house looking at his window taking note and taking in what is happening in that park there, what people are saying in the demonstrations. do you think that was a bad political move, vivian, and sema, that it seems as if the
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president is turning further deaf ear by not being there and being present? >> i think people view it through their own lens. i think people on the left are like of course he's not there. people on the right are like he already knows what's going on. i don't think that changes anybody's perception. people are so polarized. people views are baked about the president and the administration. this goes along with what people expect. >> vivian, what if the president were to have been in the white house and we knew he was looking out the window and watching? might that have helped him with some who opposed their policy? >> i don't think it makes a difference. the president has tended to turn a deaf ear to a lot of these protests throughout his presidency. we know from the travel ban last year he didn't really comment to extensively on the protests that were happening. and when he did, he sort of cast doubt on the actual images he
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was seeing and questioned the logic behind the protests and things like that. he hasn't really ever made an effort to come out and say yes, your voices are being heard. we're working on it or anything like that. that's been a trend throughout his presidency when it comes to these protests against his policies. i doubt that it would have made a big difference where are he were at the white house or as the case is, at his golf course in bed minister, new jersey. we'll see. >> we'll see. ladies, we booked you to come on and talk about the supreme court nomination and all the names that are being talked about there. there's going to be a lot of time to do that. we have another week until the president makes his announcement. we'll have you back to speak about that then. if you've been seeing, thousands are taking part in the demonstrations across this country. but will they have an impact as we give you a look at two prominent ones. in washington d.c. to the left and there's chicago, illinois to the right. we'll be right back. ♪
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happening right now, protests across this country against the trump administration's immigration policy. more than 750 of them are planned today under the banner, families belong together. among the cities where we've seen protests so far, new york, washington d.c., cities in texas, charleston, south carolina as well as atlanta, georgia. let's go now to blake mccoy in new york city. blake, let's talk about what you're seeing where you are. >> well, alex, we're in brooklyn now. this is a protest that started in lower hmanhattan and made it way across the brooklyn bridge. at one point the crowd was standing the entire length of the brooklyn bridge. they ended at a plaza in brooklyn. you can see this has only a small part of the crowd. if you look to the left, a lot of people are in the shade trying to stay cool. it's an oppressively hot day. that has not stopped the crowds
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from coming out. a lot of these people are coming out with their children. we've seen small children and infants walking with their parents. the message is clear that trump's hard line immigration policies cannot be allowed to continue. that's what we have heard over and over again from people here, and they said despite the heat, it is important that they show up, and that they present a counternarrative to trump's tweets and policies. >> okay. blake, thank you so much for keeping an ear on things happening there. we'll get back to you. in the meantime, again, thousands of us taking part in demonstrations across this country. i'll be speaking with democratic congressman lloyd dog it of texas next. bu. i forgot. chevy also won a j.d. power dependability award for its light-duty truck the chevy silverado. oh, and since the chevy equinox and traverse also won chevy is the only brand to earn the j.d. power dependability award
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here's what we're keeping our eye on right now at msnbc. look at the videos from new york city, washington d.c., el paso, texas and los angeles. three of those marches protests, rallies getting underway. los angeles due to start at 11:00 a.m. local time in l.a. we're keeping our eyes and ears trained on everything being said there by all the demonstrators and speakers. earlier today among them congressman john lewis who was at another major rally in atlanta. >> it made me sick. i cried when i saw and heard little children crying for their
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mama, for their papa. it's not the american way to separate babies, toddlers from their parents. >> let's bring in democratic congressman loyd doggett of texas. he was at the rally in san antonio earlier today. congressman, welcome to you, sir. i believe that was at the san fernando cathedral in san antonio. let's talk about the timing of this, sir. the protests happening just a few days after congress recesses for the july 4th holiday. failing to pass any legislation on immigration that would include a bill that you, sir, introduced that would have prevented the trump administration from using military bases as child detention camps. what do these protesters hope will happen after today that congress could not figure out on their own? >> well, alex, we had a great gathering, a diverse gathering in front of the oldest cathedral
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in the state of texas this morning. hundreds of people out there, and i'm proud to be an american seeing people from the brooklyn bridge to the west coast out expressing here on the eve of the fourth of july that we believe in america, its values and the statue of liberty and all that it represents, and we're going to resist this trump agenda. yes, this past week republicans once again blocked action to prevent the indefinite detention of these children with their families in internment camps on our military reservations. i had one person come up at our rally today and say you know, i'm on one of those military reservations, and many of my fellow military personnel welcomed them because we want to help, too. it's just that our military bases are to protect our security, not to inter families indefinitely because this
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administration cannot act in a humane way. >> your efforts has led to the reunification to one of the mothers. she's with her son now. but i'm curious what your sense is for how this process to reunite the families is coming along. what are the roadblocks you're hearing about? >> i believe this morning as we have all of these demonstrations underway, as best we can determine, there's still over 2000 children that are likely to cry themselves to sleep tonight because they're separated from their mom or dad. that is so wrong. yes, and it's a pseudonym, but this mom and son, after five weeks, a 23-year-old mother separated with her 5-year-old son. they're back together with great lawyering from the office. but there's so many others out there including women at the same detention facility who apparently have been told the
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only way they can be reunited with their child is to accept deportati deportation. there are tough tactics being applied. there's imp con ten -- incompet indifference. there's an administration that wants to get these people out of the country before they get a lawyer and a fair hearing or they want to detain them on a military reservation. we have to reject both and to keep trying to pass the laws that will change the indifference and intolerance of the trump administration. personally the kind of no tolerance policy that i support is no tolerance to trump's bigotry. no tolerance to putting children in cages. no tolerance to demeanizing foreigners who come to our shores. >> congressman, there are some growing calls by some democrats to abolish i.c.e. do you think eliminating the agency can solve the way these families are being treated at the southern border? >> i understand where those
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calls come from. when i see i.c.e. turning over families to private prisons, when i see the kind of abuse at those prisons that our office has worked to deal with, the pressure, the arrest of people who are going about their ways, they're not the bad people that trump talked about so much. they don't pose any danger to our communities. when i see that kind of activity, i understand why people are objecting to i.c.e. as an institution. but i think to some extent those calls play into trump's hands, and we saw that with his tweet today. the suggestion that we're not for law enforcement, that the next thing is we'll be going after the police. that is nonsense. we do have to have secure borders, but we don't have to have the kind of inhumanity that i.c.e. has been called to institute on behalf of trump. i want surrender -- i won't surrender our flag to those who
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are anti-migrant for will i surrender the institutions are that are important to having a safe and secure country. >> congressman loyd doggett, thank you for your comments, especially the last one when you talk about the president calling out democrats as if they want to do away with police departments. talk about the absurd. thank you for your time. thank you. >> a day of rallies aimed at the trump administration's policies. i'll talk to the rnc and his ideas to solve the issue.
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>> right now there are a bunch of protests under way against the trump administration's immigration policies from coast to coast. on the left of your screen, that's a daca recipient who just took to the podium after amy schumer just left from there. then to the right, people on the move from washington, d.c. having begun with a rally in lafayette square across the street from the white house. people are asking for a permanent end to the separation of families. let's bring in former rnc chairman michael steele, an msnbc political strategist and don calloway, ceo of pine street strategies. michael first. all you're witnessing today --
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and you may have heard me put a hefty thing on your shoulders where i said we're going to talk to michael steel about how to face immigration in this country. it's been an issue for how many years, right? what are things that you have thought could be implemented that would help get things moving along in the right direction? >> i think all of this centers around one cornerstone piece and that is securing the border. that's come to mean a whole lot of bad things and some good things but the bottom line is i think the country has settled on the idea that we need to secure the borders. we don't want unfettered illegal immigration into a the country, no one does. so the hot rhetoric on the right about democrats want illegals to come into the country freely is crazy. but the same is true in terms of how the left is looking at
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what's going on in terms of what is being put in place. there are models. the bush effort to have the gang of eight effort around this iss issue. if people would look at the outlines of what they've already agreed on, this is the part that kills me, the stuff they've already agreed on, you can get so much further down the road. here's the problem. you have a poison that's been injected into the system and i will say by the president in demagoguing and demonizing immigrants in this country that has flared up passion to the point where they'res are shut down and their eyes have closed and they have become stupid when it comes about talking to this issue so it will require leaders in congress, the men and women we've elected, the folks, those margers out there are trying to get this attention to pay attention before you go into thisfall election because beyond that it will be a real problem for republicans if this is
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hanging out there unresolved. >> i would like you to comment on what michael said and give me your reaction to new york city. you've got 750 plus protests taking place. how is that being interpreted by republicans? >> it's being interpreted by republicans with the same rhetoric michael cited that the president used and they're using two major, major, i'll just flat out call them lies to categorize what democrats and activists are doing. no real professional democrats are saying abolish i.c.e. we are saying that i.c.e. should not be weaponized as the president's personal police force to carry out his anti-immigrant agenda. i.c.e. handles a lot of different functions such as child sex trafficking and border security which all of us as americans believe in. nobody is saying abolish i.c.e. we're saying i.c.e. is being misused by this president. >> when the president tweet this is kind of thing out, about people wanting to abolish
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i.c.e., is he doing -- playing fast and loose with the fact withes or is he specifically appealing to his base. saying the radical dems want you out in terms of i.c.e. and the other people there, the criminal elements, next it will be all police zero chance. zero chance because nobody is asking for that. >> well, i think the idea of him playing to his base and him being fast and loose with the facts are not mutually exclusive. they're the same thing. his base has shown no regard for the facts. the president stands up in front of the american people and gets on twitter everyday and says something that has objectbly lack of veracity. but his base doesn't care. they care that he is quote/unquote fighting for them, which is a xenophobic agenda that maintains this. >> and can i just ask, because you've got a couple new yorkers, some liberals new yorkers, kirsten gillibrand and the mayor
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of new york city, de blasio, both of them saying we may have to get rid of i.c.e. or at least start over. is that a viable option? >> it's not a viable option but i think that what they're saying instead of abolishing, if we get to the root of what they're trying to suggest is that i.c.e. is being weaponized by this president and it should be taken back to its proper use which has existed peacefully for 15 years of being a strong regulator of border activity and arbitor of asylum seekers and not being weapon oized for tize weaponized. >> how do republicans in general interpret these protests? >> i can tell you how it's being interpreted. it's just a big see, i told you, this is what they want. they want open, uncontrolled borders. they want people who come here illegally, they want to shut down i.c.e. these narratives play into
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the -- these marches play into the narrative and the reason is because there's no countermeasure. there's utterances but not a cohesive message to call out the truth and to lay on the table -- >> i disagree with that, mike. >> but it's all over the map. >> michael, finish. >> my point is i'm not saying there is no truth being spoken, i'm saying there's not a unified message or argument being made, a counternarrative being presented in a way that moves the needle for the american people writ large. not just progressives, not just those who are center left but to pull those who are supporting donald trump's messaging right now to the point where they understand that this is harm to feel the country. >> i have to have that be a wrap. we have so many live events but appreciate both of your voices, don calloway, michael steele,
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see me again very soon. thank you, guys. meantime, this day of rallies, hundreds of thousands of people are marching in dozens of u.s. cities, marching against family separations carried out by the trump administration. live pictures and reports at the top of the hour. stay with us. sometimes, bipolar i disorder can make you feel unstoppable. ♪ but mania, such as unusual changes in your mood, activity or energy levels, can leave you on shaky ground. help take control by talking to your doctor. ask about vraylar. vraylar is approved for the acute treatment of manic or mixed episodes of bipolar i disorder in adults. clinical studies showed that vraylar reduced overall manic symptoms. vraylar should not be used in elderly patients with dementia due to increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about fever, stiff muscles, or confusion, which may mean a life-threatening reaction, or uncontrollable muscle movements, which may be permanent. side effects may not appear for several weeks. high cholesterol and weight gain; high blood sugar,
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