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that does it for me. i'm david gura. you can join me tomorrow at 2:00 and 3:00 p.m. eastern time. you can follow me any time on twitter @-david gura. >> you have a good one. hello i'm richard lui: thanks for joining us on this saturday. following two major stories this hour. under the banner of families belong together. that is till happening today across the country. dam straiters are demanding migrant children be immediately reunited with the parents and they're taking to the streets. protests held in more than 600 cities in all 50 states. meanwhile, we're also following the latest out of bnew jersey
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where president trump is preparing for a battle. he's going to be interviewing supreme court candidates this weekend while pledging an announce the on july 9. we'll start with the immigration protests. we have correspondents fanned out. sitting here with us in studio, as we are going to be covering it over the next hour or two. we want to start in minneapolis. a reporter for the star tribune joins us on the phone. what are you seeing? >> reporter: hi, richard. there are quite a lot of people here. we're going up downtown minneapolis, started a few minutes ago, maybe about 20 or 30 minutes ago. and i see a crowd that stretches for, multiple blocks. i think we have seen that on facebook earlier there were about 5,000 people that were going. many more interested in going.
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and we're still waiting on confirmation for a final count from the police but it's definitely in the thousands, slowly walking down minneapolis. >> who is in the crowd and what are they saying? >> reporter: well, i mean it's some what common to a lot of these other protests we've seen following the election of donald trump. for any other sort of major cause, climate change, parenthood? we had a lot of regulars, social justice groups organizing this. a lot of no justice, no peace. together, united, never be divided. sort of the common things i think you hear in one of these marches. >> and a lot of signs as well. >> a lot of signs. you're reflecting on the chance. what are you seeing on the signs if you can expand on that?
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and what's the energy? right? how are people working together or not working together? are there counter protests? and at this moment, give me, if you will, the reflection of the faces you're seeing. >> reporter: sure. i've been here covering this for more than an hour now. i haven't seen any counter protests. everything seems to be going peaceful. stay sort of casual. people slowly walking across downtown. people for the most part seem optimistic and happy to be together. all seem to be from pretty general agreement over the family separation policy and trying to unite the families, even after it was reversed. >> i'm looking through some of your great papers reporting there, the star tribune, reflections of many coming together. you understand it's a very strong muslim-american community
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there and writing in your own paper how they are now participating, not now as in they didn't before but now as in this moment, there on the streets. what is it that that community is saying? >> reporter: excuse me. did you say liberals? >> the muslim/american community. >>reporter: yes. it was an important part before this began. council has a strong presence here in minnesota. we took time, speakers took some time to also mention the supreme court decision that was issued earlier this week. and how both of those issues are related. exactly, just like you said tlr there is a strong muslim community here specially a strong somali community. two issues are definitely united, just in terms of the support expressing in this march. >> and, again, you are alluding
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to earlier this week when the supreme court upheld and backed the ban that came from the white house, which affects about 150 million people in different countries. most of which are muslim majority countries. miguel, there in minneapolis. we'll get back to you. we know that march is about an hour in. it still could be going on for quite sometime. thank you so much. let's go to msnbc's reporter in washington, d.c. garrett, i was listening to some reporting earlier as well as watching those coming to the microphones, passionate is really an understatement, i would say, at least from what i heard. >>reporter: yeah. richard. i think the sentiment here, you asked about the chants, the most common one here was vote them out. this was a targeted very focused rally and march. now all over except for the cleanup of which there is still some to do. a lot of those protest signs left outside the department of
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justice where organizers say maybe as many as 30,000 people marching from lafayette square fark park. pretty narrowly focussed on the administration's zero tolerance policy and separation of families at the border. talked about some of these speakers, there were many fantastic speakers but none more el low kwents than the author of the musical hamilton. he's been very outspoken on these issues. i had a chance to talk with him after the speech, about the reason he feels this is such and important issue for our time. >> everyone with a sh red of compassion has thought what if that was my child or if they don't have children, what if that was me separated from your parents. i don't know how your heart can't break. this is where we are as a nation and i'm gratified people are
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standing up for the values we purport to stand for. >> is this personal. >> absolutely. this news was breaking around father's day weekend, and there was no father's day weekend this weekend, we were thinking about how many parents and children were without parents. so yes, very personal. >>reporter: richard i'll just put on my political reporter hat and say these protests have certainly drawn the attention of lawmakers. there were self democratic lawmakers here today. on thursday just before the news of the annapolis shooting broke, there was a massive protest. more thank 500 people all arrested. this has reached that level where it does feel like even washington cannot ignore the volume of voices asking for more action on this issue. >> yeah. coming down from the capital where you are always at, garrett reporting for us there on today's march. that is essential that you finished with in a point of what
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members were there and listening. now in los angeles. crossing the country for us over the last couple of weeks, what are you seeing today? >> reporter: richard, this march is literally under way. thousands walking down first street from city hall over to an i.c.e. facility. there are families here. we have heard from maxine waters, from senator harris, mayor of los angeles, performances by the black eyed peas, john lennegend. families, the issue of immigration, issue of the borders with mexico is very unique and personal to them. on this stage today somebody said these borders crossed us. i want to talk this family who reflects that very uniqueness of los angeles and,000 they feel about this issue of separation of families.
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this is lupita here. why are you out here with the whole family and what does your family have to say about what's happening? >> my family, my mom's an immigrant. she came here from for a better future rmt we're not all druggies and rapists like the president like es everyone to believe. we're here for a better future and to contribute. that's what we're doing here. we don't believe what that administration's doing to everybody, bringing about hate. we're about bringing love. i'm trying to show my kids this is what we believe in. we believe if unity. we don't believe this in hate. >> we know so many. parents have ended up in facilities here in los angeles. i want to talk to your little girls here. zoe, you're 6 years old, has your mom told you why you're here today?
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>> because families stick together. >> tick together, huh? thank you so much. i want to talk to grandma over here. you're an im grant. can you just give us some contrast of your own experience and what you're seeing now with the families from central america. >> well, i got -- i arrived when i was 6, and i never have seen this before. i mean it's getting worse. it's really hard. it's difficult for the people that don't have any papers and especially for the kids that they can't do anything about it, so the president is separating them, and the parents, nobody wants that for their families. >> something that you're seeing that is personal to you. thank you for talking to us. thank you, zoe for talking to us. richard, when you think about 2,047 children still remain separated from the families, it hits a nerve in this community.
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also, we've seen a lot of mexican flags in this rally. i may note there's an important presidential election happening tomorrow in mexico. frontrunner is the anti-trump candidate, and every single candidate in that election has condemned these administration's immigration policies. richard? >> yeah. marian in a, you're in that state, in the part of that state that represents so much to the latino american community. of course one of the ones we've been focusing on. you're in the home of chavez, the first in the union to have at least 50% of its residents speaking spanish. it is certainly a place where when we're talking about the debate of reunification, lots of folks are watching. but the community is bigger than that, what other faces have you seen, other than that very cute face of zoe that you spoke to a moment ago? that are not latino that are out there walking with you?
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>> reporter: richard, this community, the people rallying here in this march are incredibly diverse. as you know, this is also very personal to asian americans, to asian immigrants who make up really the bulk of the immigrants who are coming over to this part of the country, and contributing. we've seen obviously a lot of families who are not hispanic, who are also out here, with chants like where are the children, and abolish i.c.e. policies that they say they -- absolutely don't agree with in this part of the country. and where are the children chants are extremely important, because i think that everybody here, white, asian, african-american families here and latino families, everyone can feel for these kids who are pretty much stuck in limbo. we've covered this debate from both sides of the border. we've even embedded with border patrol agents and at the end of
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the day, all of these people, human, many of them parents, and many feel for the kids, those 2,047 who still remain separated from the parents. >> great underlining there, because one out of ten undocumented immigrants are of asi asian descent. thanks so much for that. let's move to el paso, texas. that's why are nbc's cal perry is at. one of those cities that is so essential when we talk about border towns and towns that see this question right now. euunification. what are you seeing? >> reporter: so the march that took place here, which has just wrapped up, about 1,000 people marching from where i am here in the center part to the border, which is the border with the city of juarez. sort of the symbolic relationship they have.
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thousands cross bang and forth everyday. many going to school or work. this really was a march that touched so many different edges of the community. in fact, a lot of people brought their kids. very emotional times at the march. take a listen. >> here teaching my kids to stand up. hopefully they learn early that they need to speak up so this doesn't happen again in my lifetime. >> worried about the world our kids growing up in. >> the immigration rights are environmental rights. reproductive rights. we need to wake up before they're all gone. >>reporter: the other thing that was discussed throughout the march, and team of the march was i.c.e. and this is something, of course, that is being debated in washington, held up as a political chip. here on the ground in these border towns, especially fts one i am, it's not a political chip. it's a daily reality. when you talk to people, the way they talk about i.c.e. is not as a government agency, sounds more
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like a secret police force. many have been pulled out of lines at bus stations, kids going to school are worried their parents are going to disappear. >> all right. thank you so much there in el paso. coming up, we're going to talk more on this topic and i want to bring in -- i was listening to senator nelson speak with the hhs sect. azar. asking the same question about the legal difficulty, the steps that need to be taken. >> it's not so much right now a legal difficulty. which to a certain extent. so much as logistical. this administration, based on all the reporting we've seen, was just not prepared for actually reunifying families. in fact, we are seeing now, certain groups of journalists and different outlets banding
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together to try and start these processes on the road. groups like univision. doing their own investigative work to try to reunite. government in a certain sense is tying its own hand. because secretary azar mentioned they planned to do extreme vetting of anyone who comes forward to potentially claim a child as their guardian. as part of that, they want to fingerprint people. many of these who might come forward might have someone who's undocumented in their home. they might be undocumented themselves. this could have the effect of discouraging them from coming forward. that in it its own right is problem mat problemat problematic. >> part of the process you're underlining is when you have a child, sponsors need to come forward to be able to then remove the child from that center. and all of those sponsors, in that home, need to be vetted. right? >> right. >> what you're saying is some of
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them may or may not be documented as well. >> right. so the administration says, and dhs secretary nielson has spoken about this. that they are very concerned about people potentially posing as a guardian, potentially posing a a parent to who is a trafficker to try to get these children. she's frequently cited the statistics that there are instances of fraud being up 315%, which they are. but reality check, when you look at the numbers, for fiscal year 2017, they had 46 cases of expects the fraud. out of these 11 million undocumented people. it has jump are ped to about 150. that's just to put in perspective, shows how much potential for fraud that there is. not that i'm saying it could not happen. but it is far from widespread in this circumstance. >> as you know, raul, that's just one part of the process. get into more of that later. immigration centers versus
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detention centers where the adult and parents are. i'm glad to have you on set all day today. coming up e supreme court showdown. president trump says he will announce his nominee to replace justice anthony kennedy just nine days from today. the short list and the very serious issues at stake around that. and we're keeping a close eye nationwide as a protest against a separation of migrant families continues. a live look now in minneapolis. we'll be right back. dear foremo, your society was led by a woman, who governed thousands... ...commanded armies... ...yielded to no one. when i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from. my name is courtney mckinney, and this is my ancestrydna story. now with 2 times more geographic detail than other dna tests. order your kit at ancestrydna.com. hey, i'm curious about your social security alerts.
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president trump says he will announce his pick to replace retiring supreme court justice anthony kennedy on july 9. all eyes on that very date on the calendar. on air force one friday, the president said he's narrowed the short list now to about five people. including two women. >> have you spoken to any of our top five candidates yet? >> no. i start that process on monday. we haven't -- no. we haven't set up for monday. i may have two of them come like the old days. >> the old days. nbc's white house correspondent kelly o'donnell traveling with the president. see was there in the old days, and is following the president. any sightings, my friend? >> reporter: not yet. you and i did a lot of hours in those old days when the president was meeting potential cabinet picks. it was colder then. we got the other end of the
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spectrum, 90-plus degrees in new jersey this weekend. the president has a list that began with 25 conservative judges, people with a record that can be examined. that at this particular moment, although not a requirement for the courts, seems pliolitically necessary. president say he's down to five but maybe six or seven. can u it would be very easy for a potential candidate for this the supreme court to be brought to the president's residence on the grounds at his new jersey golf club for a meeting, for a meal or a chance to get know each other getter. that would be easy to do. president is here this weekend. we've asked and have not been given any indication there have been such meetings yet. he has more time because he has built in a plan that will take that process past the 4th of july holiday and before he goes
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on his next overseas trip which will have a lot of important news, so sort of bracketing the two things in between. we have been told that the president has voiced a preference that the choice he would ultimately make would be someone who attended either harvard or yale. that would certainly include some of those on the short list as stands now. he did, when asked, say there are women on that list. how will he make this decision? at this point, we are told the president believes it's not appropriate for him to ask what is known as a litmus test question, a person's views on the roe v. wade case. more a case of getting to know the person, getting a sense of how the court would be shaped. for any president, the choice of a supreme court nominee goes far beyond their own time in office, for its potential imprint on american life. so for this president to get a second opportunity to do that, is certainly an important part of his overall legacy. so we're down into the window of
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about 10 days. we would expect that the president, as he did last time, sort of create some teasable moments where he would last time announce two finalists and then sort of builds in his own sense of anticipation. so, we expect that to happen. we have been asking, hoping to find out if any came to the club this weekend. so far, still waiting to hear. >> nobody better there. our white house correspondent kelly o'donnell staked out there with the president. if you get the word we'll go to you. let's bring in the white house correspondent for the pbs news hour. kimberly alkins, kevin cyrilly. you heard what was said by kelly o'donnell and said teasable moments as we get closer to the decision. let me go further and say apprentice-like process that he may undertake as he goes through
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the process, and throwing into that pot of the apprentice process, gender and youth. >> well i think at the end of the day this president is someone who's a showman. he's someone who likes being president not just because he gets to make a lot of decisions but because there's a lot of pomp and circumstance. as we saw with the last time he was able to pick a supreme court justice, he wanted to drag it out. there were those moments where one nominee was said to be driving toward an interview and another nominee was picked. so there's all these kind of drama with the pick. thing i'm hearing from white house officials is the most important thing to this president is that the next justice be young. that person be very conservative and that person be pro-life. my sources say there are a lot of people from the federal society who gave that initial list to president trump, that list of 25 people, while he is saying there isn't going to be a litmus test with abortion, it's very clear and polls show republicans care so much about abortion, there were so many people who voted for this
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president, knowing they are going to supporting someone because of his pro-life stants a stance --. despite the access hollywood tape and all these things evangelicals turn their noses at, this is a president who republicans expect to have a very big say when it comes to abortion rights in the country. >> kevin, on this, recent poll there from keiser health tracks is 2/3 of americans support abortion. administration now could be testing out this narrative. as we go along day by day. where are we in this narrative about a roe v. wade overturn potentially based on who he selects here? >> richard, two things, first and foremost trump saying he would not have a litmus test of sorts with regards to the decision. but the second point i would make is with senator joe manc n
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manchin, one who is up for reelection, told reporter at the tend of last week following the announcement, and that is in order to get democratic support, the president would need to appoint a centrist type of supreme court nominee. look, the president, in order to get to a vote in the senate, is going to need to attract some type of democratic centrist support. people like senators heidi heitkamp, as well as joe manchin. so, while they might not even ultimately get on board in the final vote, procedure alley speaking, they do need to get some type of centrist democratic support and on an issue this divisive, they completely lose it, lose any chance of getting a democrat, should you have a controversial pick. look, the justice kennedy, he incredibly centrist to some extent. people might disagree. likely the president would nominate someone who is also a
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centrist. >> building on that, kimberly, as it goes through the senate, the question is for those democrats that, the ten that are up for reelection and are in trump country, those states, if you will, that voted for trump, they're the ones, i think that if you're trying to game it out here, folks will be watching. >> i think folks will be watching that. i have to disagree, a little bit with that analysis. i think we are going to see someone who is conservative. we have heard the president say that if even on the campaign trail, that if he were elected, roe v. wade would get overturned. that's something he called more or less a forgone conclusion. >> he did say that. >> we have seen mitch mcconnell in the senate feel free to alter senate rules. so i don't think that there is anything that democrats could do to stop it even if completely unified against this. i think he will get his pick installed on to the court.
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and it is more important to please his supporters. remember, that this is the one issue that was the cornerstone of his evangelical support. something that seemed so puzzling to so many people in the wake of that access hollywood tape. evangelicals stuck with him because they want a conservative justices not on -- just on the u.s. supreme court but throughout the federal judiciary for issues like abortion, like religious rights and the things we have seen already go before the court. so i don't think we're going to get any moderates here. >> we'll have to leave it there. thank you all. coming up, we're keeping an eye on the immigration protests happening nationwide. this is los angeles where a large crowd is still gathered in the streets there. 1:30 local time. we'll take you there live in a little bit. what do you have there?
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justice anthony kennedy. he's narrowed down to about five people he says. two of those he's considering are women. whoever he chooses, is expected to further tip the scale in favor of conservatives on the bench. kennedy was the swing vote on many key decisions. he sided with liberals in upholding the right to abortion and most recently conservatives in upholding the travel ban. now how will future cases fare in the high court. let's bring in a former law clerk of justice kennedy and tom goldstein. i do want to start with you on this, tom. we're big fans of what you do. who do you think the top five are? >> sure. i'd start with the former kennedy clerk, brett kavanaugh. d.c. circuit. he's protege of ken star.
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very well known commodity. probably second amy barrett. a former law professor at notre dame. younger woman, has seven children. there was a lot of controversy in her court of appeals hearing about her catholicism. judge hard iman who came in second place last time. he no doubt will be back in play and a judge named ray kethledge. basically what you see is a lot of people from outside d.c. well known conservative kmodscommodi between the ages of 47 and 53. >> interesting. sam, the question might be, we've heard the statement being made he prefers an ivy league
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pedi debr pedigree. >> that's right. i mean i suspect what he most wants is someone who is going to please his base, especially the legal kw leg legal conservative movement. it could be helpful. >> who would you say, again, given your experience would be equivalent of justice kennedy of those potentials. nbc has eight. we don't know who the final five is. who would you select? >> i'm a former law clerk for justice kennedy so i'd say no one. but. >> close to -- >> right. i don't think he's going to nominate anyone who's close to justice kennedy, because justice kennedy was in some ways a disappointment to the conservative legal movement. they want someone they say as a true conservative on a wide variety of issues. and so the nominees that he's going to seriously consider are going to be people that will
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please that movement, and that means people whose votes will be more reliable. >> i think that's absolutely right. if you said i want a nominee who's going to save affirmative action, abortion and same sex marriage, that would be disqualified. >> of those we've talked about in recent days, what do you think here, in terms of -- are they all vetted? all this sort of you get nominated, get -- >> they're known. that is this was essentially outsourced to the federal society and heritage foundation. that's why it went so well for this white house. they turn to people who know. >> there's no surprises. >> that's right. this is a farm team that's been put in place, either in conservative academic circles or by the bush administration on the courts of appeals. so they have been vetted in the way of experience. now some have been judges for a decade, some have been law professors but none of mysteries. >> interesting. sam, who would justice kennedy
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pick? >> right. i have no idea who he'd pick. but i think he also understands himself to have a particular role in this process, which is his role is to be a justice. and he took that very seriously. but he's a student of the constitution, and he fully understands that it's the president who nominates and the senate who provides advice and consent. and so i think he's fully aware that when he's stepping down, he's putting his legacy into other people's hands. >> quickly, sam, since we got you here. why do you think in 15 seconds he decided to step down now? >> i think justices decide to step down for their own reasons. he's been on the court much longer than most people stay on their jobs. he has grandchildren he loves very much. i have no doubt that he's looking forward to a very productive and fulfilling year ahead. >> great to have both of you. real smart folks here. sam and tom, thank you so much.
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we'll see you soon. we're also when we come back going to get back to this major story that we've been following throughout the weekend, that live rally you can see here. folks coming to the microphones, 1:43 in the afternoon in los angeles. go straight back to the ground to get a live report. stick around. ow the peninsula trail? you won't find that on a map. i'll take you there. take this left. if you listen real hard you can hear the whales. oop. you hear that? (vo) our subaru outback lets us see the world. sometimes in ways we never imagined.
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it has been a busy day across the country with over 600 protests across the country. this happening, you can see the different places and faces. on the right, washington, d.c., upper right, el paso, texas, los angeles california, 1:48 p.m. local. mariana atencio has been right in the middle of the walk. where are we now? just about to end? >> reporter: we're at the very end of the rally, richard, but if you can make out to my right, there's still thousands out here, families who are saying this was so meaningful to them that they want to be out here. they want to take in this moment. also, don't forget this rally, it lasted for about 30 minutes. the actual marching part of this. for about a mile.
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and it ended in front of an i.c.e. facility which is where we see the large crowd of people. one of the big chants we heard was abolish i.c.e. that's why we have so many people out here still chanting, making their voices heard. before we were talking about who has been out here. a lot of latino families, obvious lay he obviously here and ladies like the ones i want to introduce tu. i see the don't have i.c.e. >> heart of i.c.e. >> there you go. tell me why it was important for you girls to be out here and tell me why this anti-i.c.e. chant has been so predominant throughout the rally today? >> because i.c.e. is basically a terrorist organization and we're a peace organization. it's beyond a terrorist organization of t organization. what is it to take a nursing baby from the breast of the mother. certainly feel. >> tell me about the
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significance of being in front of an i.c.e. facility now. >> right now, to be in front of the place that's making the problem, but besides that, people inside are human beings. when beings, and they work for human beings and when you get close to them, they have to feel about the lack of integrity as a human being of what they are doing, and there is an uprising to abolish i.c.e., and kirstjen neilson will not apologize, and we are a woman's peace organization, and it is the united states of america, and the 60% of the tax dollars to be spent on the weapons and war that creates the refugees and the economic policies. so we have to be responsible and bring them in and hold them and not violate them farther than our policies have violated them. >> reporter: thank you so much. you have told me that you have
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been protesting outside of the otay mesa detention facility where we know for sure, richard, there are mothers separated from the kids in there and can you tell me the significance of that? >> well, like a lot of people, i thought that i would go to detention center and i'd see people and chaos and i'd see people through the window, and i would have some connection to the people that are being detained. otay mesa is the equivalent to the about eight football fields, and if you didn't know what it was, it is looking like a storage facility. no windows and the barbed wire is way up over the roof, and it is on a private road outside of san diego with a big sign. it is a private corporation that is rent iing to the government. and you saw is nothing. as i said to other fellow protesters, only god can see what is inside of here. so we were chanting, and there are about 300 of us out of
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thousand s th thousands that went to the san diego rally last week, and so we were chanting, and people were saying to set them free and all sorts of stuff. and unexpectedly out of nowhere through the walls of this like impenetrable place came cheers and whistles and just such gratitude from the people inside. it is one of the most moving moments that i have ever had as an activist. >> thank you so much. that is why they are outer here, richard, and that i are going to be hanging out here a little while longer, because they believe that the people inside of the i.c.e.t facility are l listening to the cheers and the whistles and the chants from the thousands of the people still the out here right now. are richa richar richard? >> thank you, mariano aten krishgsoatencio. and now, let's bring in some
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panelists. you heard that they believe that i.c.e. should be abolished and that is the right messaging that should be coming out right now? >> well, look, i they the activists have no reason to go out there to say that we should keep i.c.e., because the only thing about i.c.e. and not just this year, buttal with before these children were kept in cages and away from their families is that i.c.e. goes into the homes and rips apart the families and deports. again, we don't hear anything positive about the i.c.e., and i can see why activists have that viewpoint. >> adolpho? >> i hope that the clip continues to be run over and over again between now and the election of the protesters calling i.c.e. beyond a ter terrorist organization. of course, it is a law enforcement organization protecting our borders and the rereality is that it is a fabricated crisis. nobody is tearing anybody apart.
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these people are coming across the border voluntarily, and if they don't want to be separated, they can simply not cross into the united states. and more importantly, richard, if you are really have an asylum case, you don't have to make the dangerous trip to the border that these people are doing, apply in your home country, and most of the supposed asylum case seekers are from honduras and guatemala and isn't it child abuse to take the children who are frankly not even their parents all of the way to the border to create this the crisis. we are not separating anybody, but we are simply applying the law of the united states, and those pictures of the cage, adri adri adrienne, those were taken in the obama administration and see it for what it is, a political protest that is not going to change a whole lot. >> talk about the reality, and
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we are have separations on that and we have been reporting on that adolpho. >> and they are voluntarily. >> and we have photographs. >> and they are voluntary. >> and let me continue. let me continue can, and number two, the pictures were provided by the government and they are not from 2014 to just give us -- >> and you have not seen the 2014 cage pictures? >> and can you respond though to what adolpho is asking you? >> first of all, this is -- how can you sit here, adolpho, and say that d children are not being separated from their families. >> and the families are choosing to be separated. >> no, they are not. they are trying to seek asylum into the united states of america. >> and then do it in their hometown. >> and go ahead, adrienne, and hold on adoll e foe. >> life -- adolpho. >> and the living conditions are soun livable that they have to come to the united states to do that because they have no choice, richard. >> adrienne.
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>> there is no other solution for many of the families. >> why not apply for political asylum in their home country instead of that? >> because you can only apply for asylum when you are in the united states. >> exactly. >> no, that is not true. you can apply for the asylum at the u.s. embassy. >> thank you, and i appreciatet your time. and coming up, keep your eye on the nationwide protest aimed at the trump administration's immigration policy separating the migrant families on the very topic that we were listening to a moment ago and we have reporters on the ground and we will check in with them. stick around. what might seem like a small cough to you... can be a big bad problem that you could spread to family members, including your grandchildren babies too young to be vaccinated against whooping cough are the most at risk for severe illness. but you can help prevent this. talk to your doctor today about getting vaccinated against whooping cough.
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