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changes politics. so, is it conceivable that future presidents will be more entertainers than politicians? absolutely. >> this is a special presentation. gerrymandering is the ultimate political hack. it was not done to us by lt russians. we did it to ourselves. >> when people decide they don't like what's going on in government, they should have the power to change it. what gerrymandering does is it prevents that. >> gerrymandering is drawing maps that aggressively favor one party over the other and make
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sure that seat never changes hands. >> there are millions of voters whose vote don't matter. >> this is about power. this is about incumbents retaining power. >> after the 2012 elections, i just felt cheated. >> it's like fitness in the way you say to yourself, do i really have to be stuck with this body? do i want to do something about it? >> this is the time. these elections starting 2018, 2020, what happens in 2021 when lines are redrawn, this will define the united states, i think, for the next 30, 40, 50 years. >> join us as we take resistance to the ballot box. >> gerrymandering is drawing district lines in a way that
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benefits one political party or another. >> we all know the idea of gerrymandering, going back to the original gerrymandering, has do with districts that look abusive. >> the stranger the shape, the more we have an intuition that somebody is trying to do something. >> the word comes from 1812. it's weird that we call it gerrymandering. he signed into law a map in massachusetts which created a funny shaped district which to many people looked like a salamander. the term gerrymandering springs from that and a cartoon that criticized him. >> there's a standard rogue's gallery of congressional districts that people like to talk about. some of the famous ones, north carolina one and 12. 12 looks like a river but it's land locked cutting through cities. >> the first district has odd appendages running out of it.
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that was designed to cram as many african-american voters as you could so that the surrounding districts became more reliably republican. goofy kicking donald duck. which was a republican drawn seat outside of philadelphia. >> in ohio the snake along the lake. pennsylvania 16th looks like a body builder's arm. in texas, some of the tortilla strip districts. >> maryland's third district, it literally starts kind of up in baltimore and wanders around this way and then that way. >> some people say it looks like a broken dinosaur. i think is looks like a bug against a windshield. to each his own. >> gerrymandering distorts the nature of a democracy. it allows parties to win more seats even when they have fewer votes. it's the dark art of redistricting. >> redistricting is the sole
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province of the state legislatures. the state legislatures are composed of partisans. >> it's a partisan free-for-all. there are few laws governing how legislatures are able to go ahead and draw these lines. >> one of the most extreme examples of gerrymandering is the congressional map drown by north carolina republicans after 2010. it's a map that delivered the gop an overwhelming 10-3 advantage in house seats by 2014, turning a 50% state wide support into a 77% advantage. >> justice. now. >> the presence of gerrymandering is the absence of democracy. when people hear about what's going on, i think there's a sense of confusion and anger. then i think as we have seen today, people wanting to come
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out and talk about it and to do something about it. >> north carolina in many ways is considered ground zero of partisan gerrymandering. >> it's an evenly divided state. then the congressional delegation is 10-3 republican which doesn't reflect the partisan presences of north carolina. >> i'm a student at north carolina state university. when the state legislator gerrymandered this state not once but twice, it was a punch in the gut to our civil liberties. i know there's a resistance here in north carolina. i urge you today to take your resistance to the ballot box. forward together. thank you.
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>> one of the fundamental problems in our country right now and why people have that feeling in their gut that democracy is not working, it's partially because of the gerrymandering that we see in this country. the will of the voters is not often reflected in the outcome of our elections. even when you have the vast majority of americans that want rational governing and problem solving, it doesn't happen because the whole dynamic of the congress is skewed towards safe seats. >> when there's no competition, there's a lack of performance. you can do nothing about it. you cannot get rid of them. >> we're headed to do canvassing. we're going to canvas a neighborhood to make sure that i touch because with the people of this district. we want to make sure that they
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intend to vote and that they vote for me. hey, aaron. good to see you. >> we have the list, the literature. the doors are in order by street. >> linda is in the second district. she's the former state rep. she's well connected in democratic politics. ordinarily, she would be a strong candidate for a congressional seat. because the map was drawn the way it was by the republicans, it's virtually impossible for a democrat to win the seat. >> this is a community in the second district. but i'm fairly sure that just a couple of years ago, this would have been part of the 13th district. in the last two decades, this neighborhood has been in four different districts. that causes confusion among voters. i'm linda coleman.
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i'm doing canvassing today. you probably have voted for me before. tell me, what's important to you? what are the issues? are you happy with washington? >> no. no. >> why not? >> this is the first time i felt like washington does not care. >> do you know who represents you in congress at this point? >> i don't. >> because you probably have been shifted by districts. maybe you were in the 13th at one time. >> possibly. >> and now you are in the 2nd. >> that's what gerrymandering is. >> essentially, there are two key ways of gerrymandering. there's cracking and there's packing. if you are packing, the idea is that you are cramming as many of the other side's votes into as few districts as possible and they win these by a landslide. if you are cracking, the idea is that you are spreading the other
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side's vote across as many districts as you possibly can without it being a majority in any essentially diluting that vote. >> where there is a biracial society throughout the south, that's especially easy to do because african-american communities vote strongly democratic. it's not hard to figure out where the democratic vote is. linda coleman is a friend of mine. we both represented lake county. it looks like a tough race for her. >> how are you doing? >> dune who represents you in congress now? >> >> these districts have been drown surgically and precisely in order to ensure republicans capture them every year. democrats have not flipped a single seat in north carolina on these maps this entire decade. >> i'm counting on your vote in november. >> will do.
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>> you going to do that? >> of course. >> the congressional district keeps changing. that's what gerrymandering does. it finds the voters most applicable to the party that wants to have those voters. so they move the lines to accommodate what candidates they want. >> we are really the only modern democracy in the world that allows our politicians to draw their own lines and choose their own voters. >> the reason people should be concerned about gerrymandering is because as a result of the way district lines are drawn, election results are preordained well before november. >> the savviest strategists were talking about the republican party would be a minority party for generations to come. it didn't happen that way. [phone ringing]
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in 2008, democrats win the white house, take a super majority in the u.s. senate and control the u.s. house for the second cycle in a row. >> the american people have spoken. they have spoken clearly. a little while ago, i had the honor of calling senator barack obama to congratulate him -- please. >> if you look back at television that night, the savviest strategists on both sides were looking at these results and talking about how the republican party would be a minority party in this country for a generation to come. it didn't exactly happen that way. >> the democrats having won the congress in 2006 and won the presidency in 2008 were focused on barack obama's legislative agenda, which was fine. as they should have been.
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but at the expense of the down ballot building of the party which could have helped them out in the longer run. >> this is an op-ed that karl rove published in early 2010. it's entitled, the gop targets state legislatures. he who controls subdistricting controls congress. >> that's a civics thing that everyone is aware of. no one was looking at it in terms of the election. >> he is regarded as evil mastermind, depending how you view it, of republican redistricting that took place. >> going into 2010, there was publicity about the censure bureau work and what they would announce and how it would impact congressional districts and reapportionment. >> according to the
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constitution, every ten years we have to have a census. after that census, states are required to draw new congressional districts. some states gain population. some states lose population. if you gain a new congressional district, you have got to figure out how to draw the lines to accommodate that district. if you lose one or two as states often do, you have to draw the lines again. >> the state legislators draw the lines for congress. it takes a relatively obscure state office and makes it pretty important every ten years. to me, it represented an opportunity. so i approached the republican committee about the idea of let's launch a special project that was dedicated to raising money to put it into the state legislative races that would have the maximum impact on congressional redistricting.
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a red map. the idea that red is assigned to republicans. we want red states, we want red maps. >> if democrats could wave a magic wand and undo the political work of one person in the last five years it would be the red map guy. >> we looked at the census report. pennsylvania, michigan, you will lose a congressional seat. florida, you are getting two, texas, you are getting four. georgia is getting one. south carolina is getting one. most of the great lake states were losing seats. ohio lost two. new york lost two. where a state is losing a seat or picking up a seat is where the map is going to have to be drawn with the most changes. so that creates opportunity for whoever is drawing that map. >> the republicans realized that 2008 might have been an important election. but that 2010 could be even more
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consequential. essentially, they are able to plot a path back to power by using redistricting. if you wanted to lock in control of congress, the way to do it was by winning all of the state legislative races around the country and tipping control of these chambers in your direction. republicans target 107 key state legislative races in 16 states. by targeting those handful of state legislative races, they calculate that they can control drawing more than 190 of the 435 u.s. house seats. >> we explain to national donors who otherwise really didn't care about any of this, invest in the down ballot races and you will have a national impact on congressional control. congressional races are very expensive.
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a single congressional seat over ten years, five election cycles, you could spend over $10 million. we felt like that a fraction of the cost we could impact up to 25 of the most volatile congressional seats. >> they spent about $30 million or so trying to win legislative races. republicans are on record saying that was a really good investment. >> they use techniques that ordinarily would be used in huge national races. >> you know the tax twins in washington. now meet the tax twins of western north carolina. >> hundreds of thousands of dollars in negative ads, in fancy mailers, dumped into the small state legislative campaigns. >> nice guy, too bad he is voting with the liberals. >> they swamped democratic incumbents who never saw this coming. your budget in some of the state
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legislative races might only be 100 or $150,000. suddenly, all of this outside money comes barrelling in. these incumbents were done. >> we picked up about 700 state legislative seats. to put that in perspective, the democrats picked up 322 seats in 2006. post watergate was 600 seats for the democrats. we won around 700 seats. >> it caught the white house and democratic party by surprise. the republicans were just simply better organized and more strategic. karl rove said, when you draw the lines, you make the rules. there it is. if you get to draw the lines, you get to shape the rules of politics for a long, long time. >> as they sit down to draw
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there's a lot of great ideas in politics. the ability to execute is what makes the difference. we had the relationships with the state parties and the groups on the ground. we would give them money. if they were good partners, we would give them money. >> red map fundamentally redefines gerrymandering. it takes the oldest political trick in the book and reinvents it. no one had ever done it this way before. >> we had a huge night on state house and state senate front. in ohio, kasich won the governorship. in michigan, the governorship, state house and senate. in wisconsin, the governorship, state house and state senate. alabama, the state house and the state senate. 17 chambers so far that have switched hands from democratic to republican. that's going to have a big impact on redistricting, which will have an impact on the composition of congress for a decade.
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>> after the 2010 election, republicans were in a position to draw 193 congressional districts compared to 44 that democrats were in a position to draw. a really lopsided advantage. >> that allowed them to redraw the map in places like north carolina, ohio, michigan, pennsylvania, states where there really is a battleground and where gerrymandering makes the most difference. >> partisan map makers in 2011 can purchase incredible private data sets. a cloud's worth of consumer preferences, magazine subscriptions, a social media like. as they sit down to draw these lines, they have a complete and very accurate picture of who lives in each of these houses and how they are likely to vote. especially in an era of heightened partisanship and polarization. >> americans have sorted
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themselves, democrats are clustered in a tiny number of precincts in cities and college towns. republicans are more efficiently distributed across suburbs and rural areas. that made it easier for the partisans in charge of drawing the lines to draw red and blue seats. >> as the redistricting began, democrats realized that they were just getting beat at this game in one state after another. frankly, there wasn't much they could do about it. >> all of a sudden the republicans would release a map. a day or two later they would pass it on a majority. pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, texas is a big one, florida. those are the states where the republicans had trifecta control in 2011. they controlled the governorship, state house and state senate. that rammed through the maps in the states. >> the lines perform precisely how the republicans imagined and hoped they would.
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>> in 2012, the republicans realized what a big accomplishment they had, because mitt romney loses the presidency. but the house of representatives was republican. >> the house, both sides concede it's going to remain republican. just judging by the number of tea party supported republicans, this is going to be a more partisan house. >> the democrats win 1.4 million more votes for the u.s. house. republicans maintain a 234-204 edge. you can see this really specifically if you look at individual states. take a state like pennsylvania. almost 100,000 more overall votes for democratic candidates. republicans take 13 of the 18 seats. michigan, wisconsin, the maps are the firewall that help
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republicans hold on to the house of representatives. >> at this point, it's 8:00 right now on the east coast. nbc news can project that the republican party has maintained control of the house of representatives. >> in 2014, democrats won 47% of all votes cast for house but just 43% of the seats. >> pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, democrats are in the able to flip a single seat blue in any of those states in '12, '14 or '16. >> i received a call from secretary clinton. she congratulated us. it's about us. >> let's make it official. it's a republican night. if everything turns out the way we anticipate it will, the senate stays in republican hands. the house we know. it looks like donald trump will be president-elect.
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>> we're a closely and deeply divided country. yet on the day after election day 2016, republicans controlled not only the white house and all of washington but 69 of 99 state legislative chambers, a modern record of 33 governors, they had the trifectas, governor and both branchs of state legislature in 25 of 50 states. all of this has its roots in red map. >> barring a tsunami wave election, many of the districts will remain in the hands of the party that they were designed to be in the hands of for the whole of the decade. that's utterly remarkable and very anti-democratic. >> this is a challenge that the democrats face as they head into 2018. the question is whether or not a blue wave can rise up against a red seawall. the maps are in many ways the republican seawall. >> it makes sense the democrats
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the hours top stories. nine people stabbed six children at a birthday party for a 3 year-old girl in idaho. it happened at an apartment complex that's home to many refugee families. the suspect was recently asked to leave due to behavioral problems. exit poll showing a lead for lopez in mexico presidential election. he ran partly on antitrump platform. now back to the special. how to fix an election. now back to "how to fix an election." during the redistricting process that occurred in 2011, republicans used new technology to take gerrymandering to what i would say unprecedented levels.
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>> after 2011, we all thought that it had not gone well. but i don't think that we anticipated what we witnessed, which was the republican party really taking advantage of the redistricting they had done, the inappropriate redistricting, the gerrymandering. there's a need for supreme court precedent to put into law the notion that you can go too far when you are doing gerrymandering on a partisan basis. >> whichever party feels like they came out in worse tends to go on offense. it makes sense the democrats would feel that the process was up fair to them. so they are resorting to the courts to try to solve their political problem. >> let me just say, gerrymandering is a bipartisan activity. those who control the legislature control the drawing of the lines. >> the democrats do it where they can. maryland is a good example. >> the maryland case, the
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supreme court agreed earlier this year to hear that case. it involves a democratic gerrymander of maryland's 6th congressional district. >> i was asked by one of the original plaintiffs in the case if i would consider joining their lawsuit for the congressional gerrymandering. it didn't take me long to make a decision. it's one of the reasons i fell in love with washington county. it's family and church oriented. it's a small agricultural community. it's different than the rest of the district. the 6th congressional district, including this area, has always been very conservative. then the gerrymander happened. i remember feeling so angry about it. how could they do this? >> when it came time to redraw the maps in 2011, democrats took republican voters out of the district and put them in other districts.
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then drew in very dense concentrations of democrats in the washington, d.c. area. so they managed to change the 6th congressional district from a reliably republican district into a reliably democratic district. >> the democrats won the congressional district here and would keep democrats safe for a long time to come. a congressman, we can look at a number of his votes he has done in the house of representatives on our behalf here in washington county. i can tell you that it doesn't sit well with the majority of the folks here. >> the republican plaintiffs in the maryland case pretty rightly allege that the votes have been diluted. by the map that democrats drew. >> maryland democrats set out to dilute the votes of republicans in effect because they disapproved of those republicans having elected bartlett as their congressman.
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>> people who are suing about that are claiming that that act was a violation of the first amendment because it was punishing the voters of the district for voting in a way that the government didn't like. it's retaliatory under the first amendment. >> it really isn't at the heart of it about democrats or republicans or any political affiliation. it's about one political party in power punishing another group or class of citizens. it's completely wrong and abhorrent in my opinion. >> democrats will tell you maryland's map is fine. republicans in maryland will tell you that's partisan gerrymander. whether it's a partisan gerrymander depends which chair you are sitting in and whether your party prevailed under the map or not. >> we will hear two major decisions from the supreme court coming from wisconsin and maryland. the maryland case and the other case out of wisconsin could give the court a chance to finally
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say that there are at least some outer limits on how far you can go with partisanship. >> wisconsin in 2010 was one of the cases where the republicans found themselves in unilateral control of legislature and governorship for the first time in many years. they set about drawing a gerrymander. in 2012, democrats got 52% of the vote state wide. they got only 39% of the seats. >> i will hear argument in case 161161. >> in the supreme court seeing whether or not we can finally get a case decided by the court allowing gerrymander to be invalidated. you are up there for half an hour. the questions are coming thick and fast. >> mr. smith? >> may it please the court, what the state is asking for is a free pass to continue using an assembly map that's so extreme that it nullifies democracy. >> maybe we can talk about the
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constitution. where do we get authority to revise state legislative lines? >> in a wide variety of issues having to do with political parties and politics, the supreme court has stayed away from it. let's bump that to congress. that's the president's, the role of the political party. they have had hands off. >> the hard issue is are there standards manageable by a court, not by some group of social science computer experts. >> we have to be cautious about stepping in. >> i don't think there's anything unusual to regulate the abusive management of state elections by state government. that's what the -- >> where did one person one vote come from? >> the last couple cases that have gone to the united states supreme court have resulted in a very divided court. when you listen to the oral arguments, i think we're still going to have a divided court.
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>> the point is you take these issues away from democracy and you are throwing them into the courts. pursuant to -- it may be my educational background, but i can only describe it social -- >> it's a measure how unfair the map is, how much it burdens -- >> can you say this? don't agree with me just because it sounds favorable. he won't in two minutes. answer the chief justice's question and say the reason they lost is because party a wins a majority of votes, party a controls the legislature. that seems fair. if party a loses a majority of votes, it still controls the legislature. that doesn't seem fair. >> if the supreme court holds that something is unconstitutional and federal courts can deal with the problem, then that holding
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you know it's a system where the politicians are picking the voters, rather than the voters picking the politicians. so i say this time, say good-bye to gerrymandering. i was stuck with this system of gerrymandering in california when i was governor. i said to myself, einstein said doing the same thing over and
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over again and trying to expect different results is insanity. since insane i'm not, so therefore, i'm going to create change. >> the solution to having courts be monitoring this problem is to have a non-partisan independent commission draw the lines. that makes the process neutral or at least if it's done right it can. there's examples of that around the country. perhaps the one most visible is california. that came along. >> we want to make sure you vote yes on proposition 11. you are already in? that's good. >> what california did is they created a commission staffed with ordinary citizens who go through this rigorous selection process. it's five democrats, five republicans and four independents. citizens can submit maps in california. all of the proceedings are broadcast.
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>> five yeses, no nos. from the republicans, four yeses, one no. >> to pass a map in california, you have to have approval from democrats, approval from republicans and approval from independents. what that has done is it fostered negotiation. the only way you get your job done is you compromise. >> democrats and republicans are now working together for the good of the people. that's what it's about. >> what it has resulted in are maps in california that are fairer. democrats win more votes, they win more seats. as republicans win more votes, they win more seats. >> we have four draft final maps. >> this is what it means being independent from the politicians and having a district drawn in favor of the people and not the parties. >> while independent commissions are one way you could fix it, it's not the only way. ohio is a different model. >> next competitor making his
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debut -- >> arnold is in town to enjoy the festivities. he is also taking time to talk politics. >> i love the people of ohio. love the state. governor kasich, who is like me, he wants to do things that is right for the people. he has always had and interest in doing the redistricting reform. they want do it their way. >> in ohio they have chosen to leave congressional redistricting in the hands of the legislature. >> ohio is a place where the republicans have agreed to put a ballot initiative to referendum. >> trying to get folks to vote yes on anti-gerrymandering. >> if approved by voters, you will have a policeable standard written into the ohio constitution that can be used to police bad maps.
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>> this is on the may ballot. >> volunteers have gone door to door collecting signatures. they will say i knocked on republican and democratic houses. everybody signed. >> are you ohio voters? >> we would love to have your support. >> let's start with issue one. it has been called and it has passed. this is ohio's redistricting proposal. >> i call the legislative leaders. i come in, i'm going to bring my schnapps. we will celebrate this great victory for the people. >> this is incredible what they did. we're going to have fairer elections. they're going to be more competitive. people are going to have to listen to people that at the present time they don't always have to listen to because they represent a small minority. we're now a model for the country.
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>> i wish when i was governor of california, that it would have been like that. the legislators work it out so they can represent the people rather than the parties. i told john, i'm going to come to your capitol. we're going to celebrate this. cheers. thank you. that's the way to do it. >> there's been a particularly robust reform effort in the state of ohio. but a lot of reformers say that it still doesn't take power out of the hands of legislators. they're not wrong. i don't think you can ever fully take politics out of the redistricting process. take, for example, arizona. arizona has an independent redistricting commission that's made up of two democrats, two republicans and a tie-breaking member. the tiebreaker approved a map that sought to maximize competitive districts.
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republicans were livid because they did go out of their way to create chances for democrats to win seats. republicans went so far as to impeach the chair of the redistricting commission. >> last night, the republican-controlled state senate in arizona gave the republican-controlled state senate in arizona gave the governor the votes she needed to fire the head of his supposedly independent commission. >> it was probably the ugliliest redistricting. >> republicans don't like the way new maps were drawn, even though new maps give them an advantage. >> republicans get an advantage from the new maps but apparent that advantage wasn't enough of an advantage. >> independent commissions are not necessarily a solution to whatever problem may be perceived. in every state across the country, we are going to have to go through a redistricting round
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again in 2020 and no one has yet come up with a way of doing this that everyone says, oh, yeah, that's the way we should go. so until that solution emerges, i think we're going to be where we are with state legislatures, commissions, but right now there is no one size fits all solution. >> it's just a giant waste of money for them. they're losing politically. they can't win campaigns so they have to redraw the maps so that they can win. interrupts) how they could save 15% or more by... (harmonica interrupts) ...by just calling or going online to geico.com. (harmonica interrupts) (sighs and chuckles) sorry, are you gonna... (harmonica interrupts) everytime. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. with my bladder leakage, the products i've tried just didn't fit right. they were very saggy. it's getting in the way of our camping trips. but with new sizes,
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♪ ♪ the problem with gerrymandering is that it makes me feel like my voice is not heard anymore. i have no vote. >> i feel very disenfranchised. i feel very disconnected from the power structure. >> it used to be if you said something crazy about somebody or something false, you would get vetted our embarrassed out of office. now the districts are so gerrymandered, you can say
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something crazy and feel safe. >> we were talking about how do we help spread the word about gerrymandering, it's important to be part of the local elections, to have a conversation. >> there is just this awareness in the country that this is a problem. this gerrymandering thing that happens isn't good. what can we do about it? we have to redistrict. we don't have to gerrymander. so we are getting in the game on all fronts. >> the national democratic redistricting committee, the ndrc, was formed because we saw the consequences of not doing a good job in 2011 through the course of this decade. >> democrats now gearing up to fight back against what happened in 2010. outgoing president barack obama and his former attorney general eric holder making redistricting reform their priority in the years ahead. >> we shouldn't have politicians choosing their voters, we should have voters choosing those who would serve them. >> okay. so as you know, we rolled out our target states today. the goal of our map is to shine
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a spotlight on the most important elections for redistricting. >> so democrats were a little asleep at the wheel in 2010. this cycle, they're not asleep. what you're starting to see is signs that this is going to be an all-out battle, almost an existential battle between the parties in the lead-up to redistricting in 2021. >> the strategy, as you know, is to make sure we have folks in the states to get the grassroots ready for the redistricting process in 2021. >> republicans' goal is to reserve their advantage in as many states as possible to replicate the success of red map from the last round. >> the national republican dedistricting trust is a trust we set up to help prepare for the legal side of the 2020 redistricting round. >> yesterday, holder gave remarks at a breakfast. he kind of laid out their strategy for them. >> so he's trying to break up where we have --
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>> that's right. states with republican control and governor, house and senate. it's going to be incredibly expensive to try to go into all of these states. just a giant waste of money for them. they're losing politically. they can't win campaign sos they have to redraw the map sos that they can win. >> democrats certainly could take back control of the house in 2018 but it would take a really unprecedented wave election for democrats to do that. our estimate is that democrats would have to win the national popular vote by 11, perhaps even 12 percentage points in order to win back a narrow majority in the u.s. house. that's similar in many state legislatures around the country. >> it's going to take a once in a generational wave in order for the democrats to overcome the structural advantages that gerrymandering gives the republican party. if democrats can't find a way to retake state legislative chambers, then red map will still have the last word.
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>> collectively, we cannot be ignored, so stand up, fight back. >> now is the time to rock the vote. so say it loud with me, we will rock the vote. we will rock the vote. >> there is an increasing awareness that these gerrymandering techniques have made our elections effectively meaningless, and i think that that helps fuel a cynicism, it helps fuel low voter turnout. it helps fuel a distrust in the democratic process. people are fed up with that. >> together. >> i think agenday meandering posing a long-term threat to our democracy. if you lock at the distance that continues to grow between our elected officials and the people that they represent, the growing ties between our elected officials and special interests, that leads us to a place where a small minority could really dictate the kinds of policies
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that this great nation pursues. >> we don't know what our districts will look like but we do know what democracy looks like. >> people are beginning to say, you know, there is something wrong with this because i don't feel that my vote counts. >> there is this energy around the country. the voters are fired up for 2018 to make their voices heard. >> justice. now. >> we need to get back to the basics and allow the voters to choose their elected officials and not the other way around. >> this is not a partisan issue. this is a patriotism issue. if the supreme court says, sorry, we're just not going to address this problem, it will get more severe. >> it's a fixed system. enough is enough. let's do something about it.
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