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and announced the winners on her website. that's good stuff and it wraps up this hour. coming up, more news with hallie jackson. hey, there. >> chris, thank you. i'm hallie jackson in washington, where the short list is getting shorter and the stakes could not be higher. president trump interviews more potential supreme court justices. four down, a few more to go. we'll tell you what you should know about the top few candidates and what our new polling out today shows what americans want when it comes to the critical question of what happens to roe v. wade. we're serving up your tuesday edition of swamp watch. scott pruitt reportedly pumping big-league friends to get his wife a job, one that paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. "the washington post" reporter who had that scoop joins us. and the 12 missing soccer players and their coach, found alive, incredible news, followed by an incredible challenge, how
to get them out safely? and it could take months. we have a report from the scene. our team is set up and ready to go. i want to start at the white house. the administration says we're on-track for the big monday announcement. sarah sanders was asked that. >> reporter: you're hearing from sarah sanders that the criteria are going to be academic. and any notion that gender will play an influencing decision on champion's final call won't have an effect, have a listen to what she said. >> the criteria is who i said yesterday. what we said several times before. he wants someone with tremendous intellect and somebody that will uphold the constitution. >> reporter: he had four interviews. the president is talking about having a couple more in the coming days.
the question is talking about qualificati qualifications. we'll see, in the next coming days, what sort of indication the president is giving. it's clear the president likes the drama here. he likes the buildup. >> i mean -- >> he wants to make this, and have a lot of suspense. >> he's a reality show guy, huh? it fits in to everything he has produced in his former life. >> we're in the middle of a slow week, and the president clearly playing with strings. >> you said the two worst words, slow news week. thanks, i hate you a little bit. love you, thanks. with us, josh gerstein. on-set, is the power hour. anita kumar along with aaron blake. josh, to you. you've been writing a lot about what the president is looking for in a pick. specifically, about the idea that sarah sanders, you just heard, talk about the idea that
gender could play a role. i've been told by multiple sources inside and outside the administration that the president has told allies who are pushing him to strongly consider a woman, that he's not going to make jengender his top pick. you heard that reflected by sarah sanders. what do you make to where the president is on this decision? >> well, i mean, i'm not surprised that the white house would say gender isn't going to play a role. the real question is whether it will play a role in the process when we get there. the reason that picking someone who is a woman might be useful to the white house is any nominee that this white house puts up is likely to be attacked as anti-abortion and anti-choice. and that can be anti-woman's rights. to have a woman in the hot seat might make it harder for critics to put out tv ads or other campaigns to say this nomination is an attack on woman's rights when you have a woman who is the
nominee. that's the basic thinking. amy barrett would be the more provocative nominees because of her skepticism about the roe v. wade decision is a matter of public record. the white house would be making an edgy nomination if they go in that direction. >> let's talk about her and her strengths and weaknesses, as put together by our team. talking about how she would be the youngest of these nominees. we know that's something the president cares about. he wants somebody who will sit on the court for, as he says, 40 years or so. she's the only woman on the short, short his. there there's reports that the president will interview another female candidate as early as today. the people of praise, reportedly ties she has. an interesting religious group that labels heads of household, the men, heads, the women the handmaidens, along those lines. she's criticized holding up the aca, which makes her a target
for democrats who are using the affordable care act to mobilize democrats to put pressure on susan collins, to go after some of the red state demes, too. >> right. and you mention that she's young. one of the side effects that comes along with being young, there's no way she can be as experienced as trump is saying, that he's looking for a nominee, that has an impeccable resume. she has a lot of experience as a law professor, but she's been on the appeals court for a year. you see all these issues in contention. >> and the hearing that you just referenced -- let me bring in anita and aaron here. it got feisty. here's dianne feinstein talking about the religion takes over some dogma. >> when you read your speeches, the conclusion that one draws is that the dogma lives loudly
within you. that's of concern, when you come to big issues that large numbers of people have fought for, for years, in this country. >> aaron, and anita, did we just see a preview of what a potential confirmation hearing looks like? >> it has to. that exchange we saw with senator feinstein wasn't just about what the role of religion in amy coney barrett's decision was. that was roe v. wade. that was dianne feinstein getting to the barrett philosophy on roe v. wade because it is tied to someone's religion. there's an argument that trump would like to see that battle. he likes the culture wars. this would be putting forward that culture war in a way that some people in the white house would probably like. >> there's a moment of time we're in right now, where the white house, refuses to talk at
all about roe v. wade, even about the president's position on it. not about the conversations he's having with the candidates. but where he himself stands. and we tried to get to that with sarah huckabee sanders in the briefing. watch. would the president like to see roe v. wade overturned? >> i'm not going to get into any specifics. >> not about a conversation with the justices. does he himself, as a matter how he feels, his own policy, does he want to see roe overturned? >> i'm not going to weigh anything specific. >> does he have a position or not a position? >> i understand, but while we're in the middle of this process, i don't have an updated comment. >> we do know what he thinks because he said it on the campaign trail, over and over at rallies, that the supreme court the automatically going to take this up and change this. we know where he stands. he's in a pro-life president. i talk to pro-life groups who
say that coney barrett is their number one choice. this list came from the federalist society and the heritage foundation. all of these are pro-life judges. >> one of them on the screen, is brett kavanaugh. somebody who was close with justice kennedy, somebody that kennedy wanted to see on these lists. he put out a written belief, this ruling, that a president shouldn't be investigated more or less. how much and clearly democrats have begun to seize on that, as it relates to the russia investigation. how much when it talks about roe versus russia, does russia play into this? >> any nominee, especially kavanaugh, will be asked their views on executive power and the ability of people, for example, to investigate or to sue presidents for sexual harassment or things along those lines, while they're in office. and kavanaugh has laid out his
views on that. i think it will play a small factor. i don't think it will be a big one in the president's final decisionmaking when he decides on a nominee. there's many people that would like to see a fight like there would be over amy coney barrett. it's a question of whether the president is interested in a fight or in a win. >> that's a great point. we'll leave it there. thank you for coming on. anita and aaron, stick around for a minute. aside from doing what you could consider the most important job interviews of his public career, the president is finding time to attack some democrats, including california congresswoman, maxine waters today. and two senate democrats that are frequently mentioned in 2020 talk. they would be targeted by the president, no surprise. they're more liberal members of the party who have been public about going after donald trump. but red state democrats are in the president's sights, too, for
a different reason. the ones that supported his last supreme court pick, like west virginia's joe manchin. the full-court press to get them to back whoever the president nomina nominates. jeff bennett has made his way to west virginia, ahead of the president's remarks later tonight in greenbrier. you have been hitting up the biscuit breakfast crowd, i understand. who doesn't like politics with their eggs in the morning. what are people saying about the president's supreme court pick and how it relates to joe manchin? >> reporter: that's right. this assignment combines my two favorite things, biscuits and politics. we stopped into biscuit world not too far from here and asked people in the heart of trump country, what they want to see in a new justice. and the overwhelming response was, people know the president's going to nominate somebody who is conservative. that's a given. they want to see somebody who they say is fair-minded, independent and center-right. we asked one lifelong west virginian what he thinks of the president and what he thinks --
and what kind of person he thinks the president should nominate. take a look. >> i'm not a trump supporter. i support trump's policies. i don't like the man personally. i don't know anybody that does. everyone that i know thinks he is a rude and insensitive and gross and not who we would want for president. but i like what he does. i know that roe v. wade is one of the big controversies. i also think that was wrongly decided, not that i'm against abortion. but i don't think the court had any business stepping into the middle of it. >> reporter: you heard mr. schenck there say he likes what the president does. this is a state that president trump won by more than 40 percentage points in 2016. he's very popular here, hallie. and the president knows it. when he shows up here later this evening for an event to honor military veterans, it will be
his third trip here in six months. it's one way he will put the pressure on joe manchin to back his supreme court pick, hallie. >> are people talking about what joe manchin should do? what the senator should do when it comes to the supreme court vote? >> reporter: certainly. joe manchin is one of the most sensitive facing the re-election. he's running as somebody willing to support the president, rather than stand in his way. he backed picks for epa, cia, and the first democrat to come out in support of neil gorsuch. we asked two manchin supporters whether they think he should support president trump's ultimate supreme court pick. take a look. >> i believe that joe manchin is open-minded snu eed enough, he' moderate enough, that he will support, if it's the proper pick. he will support him. >> he does some things that are considered unpopular. but he's willing to step out on
a limb and confront issues and work across the aisle. one of the few that actually does it. you know, they can talk about it but actually doing it. >> reporter: and so, joe manchin is not the only red state democrat in the president's sights, it's also heidi and joe donley. >> jeff bennett in west virginia. bring back some biscuits for the white house booth tomorrow. scott pruitt's staffers, a tell-all behind closed doors. what they told congress about the growing list of scandals at the epa. we're not the only ones putting pruitt on swamp watch. why this mom interrupted the administrator's meal with some food for thought at a d.c. restaurant. that's next. we're the most isolated population on the planet. b there'
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you're a public servant. you're serving at behest of the president but for the public. i don't think anyone will say what scott pruitt has been doing but serving the public. it sounds like scott pruitt is serving scott pruitt. >> that's eric boling adding his voice to the critics of scott pruitt. it's been a tough environment these days for pruitt. watch what happens when a mom confronts him at a restaurant in d.c. >> hi. i just wanted to urge you to resign. because of what you're doing to
the environment in our country. this is my son. he loves animals. he loves clean air. he loves clean water. we deserve to have somebody at epa who protects our environment. somebody who believes in climate change and takes it seriously, for all of us and our children. i would urge you to resign before your scandals push you out. >> that video comes from kristen mink. she's a local teacher that says pruitt had no response and left after that moment you just watched. this morning, as we wade into "swamp watch" we're looking at the scandals calling for pruitt to resign. "the washington post" has this closed-door house interview s about pruitt's more controversial spending practices. there are 15 ongoing investigations looking into scott pruitt. here to talk about new reporting is "washington post" national affairs reporter, juliet haplin.
let's talk through some of the things that aides told congressional investigators, that pruitt looked for a job that had a $200,000-plus salary for his wife. he had subordinates help in that job search. he requested help from a senior aide in a landlord dispute. he had some of his aides put administration spending on their personal credit cards and waited a long time to reimburse him. fill in the blanks about what you learned about the interviews. >> these are coming from two of scott pruitt's hand-picked aides. they were there at the start of his administration. >> not disgruntled employees. >> these are republicans who support the policy agenda of the administrator and president trump. so, when you look at this, right. it's obviously a lot of different things. certainly, kind of what we learned, particularly from the
testimony of issamantha dravis, who was the top policy associated administrator, for mr. pruitt's first year in office, plus a few more months, is that he repeatedly enlisted her in searching for a job for his wife, marlin. she is a nurse by training who spent the last two decades at home raising their children. he approached samantha dravis, asking her to reach out and find a job. not only was a job in washington, but earned north of $200,000 a year. >> what is the epa saying about all this? what's the response been from the agency? >> their response is that the administrator has not discussed with samantha dravis or his current chief of staff, ryan jackson, what they told committee staffers. they did not comment on the substance of what they shared with the house overnight committee. >> let me bring in aaron and
anita here. the article talks to john fox, the acting director of ethics. if we were to talk about any other employee, it would be that person's supervisor that would take dismissal from service. this falls on the shoulders of the president and he seems to do nothing but go out of his way to praise scott pruitt. pruitt's policies are keeping him afloat among other things. could this report from the house committee end up being the final straw? >> it will be difficult to the point that juliet made that these are allegations that are given voice to. not by disgruntled employees of scott pruitt or people at the agency when he showed up, but people he appointed to these jobs the people who, in some cases, stood by him in the face of other allegations. they're being put under oath and speaking to these things that have been reported publicly.
so, when the report comes out, if we see people like dravia, and his chief of staff, lending credibility to these actions, it will be hard for him to argue this is a deep state conspiracy against him. >> i'm going to play devil's advocate. this is a president who has had tons of ethical issues, his financials, his businesses, his daughter and what she's doing in the oval -- white house and son-in-law. if his cabinet secretary's staff sees that it's not that important to him or the white house isn't concern about it, why should they be? >> let's talk about somebody else in the cabinet. there's a new member we're adding to "swamp watch," wilber ross. he shorted stocks of two more holdings. what is that in english? he's betting against his stock. ross says this was a routine way
to divest of his holdings. but one watchdog said he never heard of divesting like this. ron wyden said this could weaken our attempt on trade. >> it's a novel approach to this situation, which came about because reporters were asking the commerce department about the stocks he had that were tied to russia. he shorted this stock that he had and so, it was a novel way, he said he didn't gain anything from this. i think this new report is actually interesting because maybe it lent some credibility to his case this was just his unusual approach. if these were -- if he also did this with stocks that were not the subject of public scrutiny, that were not brought to his attention by reporters, that would lend credibility to the idea this was his way of doing things when he found out he had a stock that was something he didn't want to have. >> jjuliet, nice to have you back.
up next, we'll talk about the soccer team that has the entire world rooting for them right now. a race to save 12 boys and their coach trapped more than a week inside a cave in thailand. why the efforts to get them out would take months. and michael cohen walking a fine line, where he makes it clear where his loyalties are. we're learni ining about the le strategy behind his significant off-camera interview. find the remote yet? nah. honey look, your old portable cd player. my high school rethainer. oh don't... it's early 90s sitcom star dave coulier... cut...it...out! [laughing] what year is it? as long as stuff gets lost in the couch,
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today, the white house and the capitol of flying flags at half-staff in honor of the five "capital gazette" workers that were killed. here's what press secretary sarah sanders said this morning. >> as soon as the president heard about the request made by the mayor, he asked that we reach out and verify that the mayor had made the request. when we did, the president asked that the flags be lowered immediately. >> in the last hour, the president issued a proclamation honoring the lives lost in last week's shooting. want to turn to thailand where the underground miracle is turning into a major mission to
get that team out alive. they've been trapped for ten days already. but it may be longer before they see sunlight again. here's a rescuer on the "today" show. >> how long can those boys and the coach expect to be in the cave? >> up to three to four months, which seems not very optimistic. >> janis mackey frayier is in northern thailand with more. >> reporter: what a remarkable turn of events here. thai officials say the 12 boys and the coach are in stable condition. they are exhausted but they are alive. the challenge, now, is getting them out. >> how many of you? >> all of us. >> 13? >> yes. >> brilliant. >> reporter: prayers from around the world, answered by a miracle. all 12 missing boys and their coach, found alive, after being trapped in the flooded cave system for nine days. their first words to the two
british divers that found them more than a mile under ground. >> thank you. >> reporter: thank you. the boys ranging in age from 11 to 16, wearing their soccer gear, tired, hungry, barefoot, in almost total darkness but alive. >> you've been here ten days. ten days. you are very strong. >> i am very happy. >> we are happy, too. >> reporter: on dry land, jubilant cheers from relieved family members and rescuers. >> the fact that all of them survived really says someone in that group has to be a morale leader. someone is telling them, we're just going to live hour-by-hour, half a day by half a day. >> reporter: finding the children is just the first step in what is still considered a very risky rescue effort. none of the boys know how to swim. and they need to be taught how to negotiate tiny underwater passages.
rescuers are working on how to get the boys out, briefed on using full face masks. experts say it could be weeks or months before they get the boys out safely. medical divers are being sent in to evaluate their health. and food is being brought to the kids who have not eaten in over a week. rescuers are fighting rising waters, strong currents and mud, and the threat of more rain this week. military specialists joining thai forces in the effort. >> it's amazing to see the hugs and the donations and the thanks. it gives me chills. >> reporter: the boys are more than a mile deep inside a chain of caves. rescuers have been using huge pumps around the clock, in an effort to reduce water levels. relatives desperately waiting since the boys went missing, are overjoyed they've been found. >> i think it's one of the most wonderful things that's happened in our world for a very long time. >> reporter: the divers who found the boys, trying to give them hope. >> many people are coming.
we are the first. >> that was janis mackey frayer reporting. it's tough to watch the video and not get goosebumps. the world watching and praying they will be returned to their families safely. some silence on the west wing front. sarah sanders not answering questions about the michael cohen interview we told you about on this show yesterday. the president's twitter account, also silent. but this morning, we're learning more about cohen's thinking from folks who talked to him and people inside his circle. joining me now is guy lewis. anita and aaron are back, as well. let's start with this joint defense agreement. much ado has been made about this. it expires this week. explain what folks need to understand about that and why it may not be the bombshell that it's made out to be. >> when two lawyers are representing two clients in the same investigation come together
and say, basically, let's work together. let's cooperate. let's share information. when the new lawyer who has come in, by the way, the new lawyer who is a former chief of the criminal division for the southern district of new york, manhattan, this exact same office that's investigating cohen, he's making that decision. so, they've clearly changed tacts. they're going in a different way than they were before. >> you've got emily jane fox at "vanity fair" who has written about the trump orbit. reporting, cohen is trying to get ahead of a potential white house offensive against him, trying to pre-emptively change the narrative. here's what she had to say. >> it's been interesting in the last couple weeks, that people around him are starting to also hammer in the message that you can change the narrative from being a villain to a hero. >> do you think that will be an
effective strategy for cohen? >> well, i don't know if it's going to be an effective strategy. but i think her reporting is dead-on. i think cohen will be cooperating. you put a couple of these pieces together, the joint defense agreement, the trump organization is not paying the attorneys fees, which, by the way, can run in the millions and millions of dollars. he's an executive v.p. for the trump organization, it's not unusual for the organizations to pay for fees. and you look at his statements and the abc interview, where i'm putting my family first. i don't support russia. all these kind of things, which indicate a mindset. lastly, hallie, look at what's going on with manafort. he's getting pounded. i mean, here's a 70-something-year-old guy sitting in jail waiting for
trial. cohen is sitting back thinking, i want to take a different road. >> i don't want that to be me. cohen has not been accused of wrongdoing. no charges have been filed against him. when you look at the response from the white house. you know this well, where is rudy giuliani? he hasn't been out on cable. he did that blitz. no tweets from the president. nothing from sarah sanders. she is continuing to refuse to engage from the white house podium, which she has done so often. all quiet on the white house front. >> cohen is in a different orbit, a different world than some of the other people. the white house has been concerned about people. michael flynn and other people in the mueller investigation. >> has a status hearing next week. >> pleading guilty. other people are cooperating but no one is like michael cohen. he's been around for so long in trump's orbit. he knows everything. >> it's like they don't know what to do with this situation. you can forgive them for not knowing what to do with it. cohen is threatening to flip. if he's not, he's headed in a more adversarial direction. they were silent for a while
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right now, we have new details on a big under-the-radar story. a trump cabinet secretary looking to rewrite the rules, rules that affect low-income students. as early as this week, betsy devos will look to reverse obama-era guidelines to protect low-income and minority students. from are for-profit advocates, saying devos is doing what's best for students, not capriciously targeting schools based on tax status. she's leveling the playing field not tilting the scales. joining me is the reporter on that story, heidi pressubola.
she was talki ining about rulesa hearing. >> you will enforce the gainful place of employment rule to make sure that the career colleges are not cheating students. >> we'll review that rule. >> you will review it? you will not commit to enforce it? >> we'll see that it is actually achieving what the intentions are. >> well, no surprise that the review of the rule has purn edt into this, perhaps. explain why people should care. >> there's multiple rules. these are governing for-profit colleges. these are the colleges that sprung up leading into the obama administration and took in all kinds of taxpayer dollars. two reasons you should care. first, a lot of the schools, they specifically target low-income students. they bait them into expensive programs. and they're often left with essentially worthless degrees. since a lot of them are low-income, they qualify for pell grants and federal loans.
we're talking about a money pot of billions of dollars, that experts tell me could be reopened again to the era of waste, fraud and abuse that we saw, that the obama administration rules were a response to. >> the department of education does have allies on capitol hill. not elizabeth warren, obviously. there's people that back what betsy devos is doing. >> they say we're in a new era. we have a lot of people that don't want to go to regular, traditional four-year colleges. they need to go to trade schools. they can provide them with this kind of training. we are, of course, keeping them in compliance. but obama did this with his executive pen. and we can undo it. we think this is burdensome regulation. >> look at what else the department of education has done, as well. i want you to talk about how this fits into the broader strate strategy. they cut back on the sharing of information. they brought in for-profit college reps.
they dismantled team investigating abuses for-profit colleges. they have temporarily reinstated a controversial acrediting agency, as well. those things, put together as a whole, what does it say to you about where the this agency is being steered? >> it suggests she's taking away a lot of the guardrails that have been the guardrails of oversight over these colleges. and i want to read to you, hallie, something that tells us why this is such a problem. we have obtained a training manual from one of the colleges from 2012, that shows that they specifically target the most economically distressed populations to their high-cost programs they are then unable to pay. okay? it says, quote, this is from a recruiting manual. welfare moms with kids, pregnant lady ladies, low self-esteem, physically and mentally abused and i could go on. that's a school that's operating, under the tighter
guidelines that were enacted. >> when you talk about for-profit schools it is tough not to think about somebody who ran a for-profit school. trump university. donald trump had a string of systems with his name on it, for-profit universities, had a settlement during the xancampai. >> it's like he has sympathies for these institutions because he was involved in something that was embattled in a lawsuit. this works for him because it's decreasing regulations, exactly why he likes scott pruitt at the epa, despite the warts that come with it. it's not difficult to see why trump wouldn't appreciate what betsy devos is doing, despite the problems that heidi laid out here. >> we talk about scott pruitt and questions about his spending or ryan zinke or wilber ross. this is something that betty devos is doing to policy specifically. why hasn't it gotten attention? >> the president tweets ten times a day.
while we're paying attention to the tweets and what he says, there's so many things. the biggest untold story about the trump administration is how they are changing rules and regulations at departments and agencies. so, firearm restrictions, you know, environmental protection, all these things that are getting looser and different, that people aren't really paying attention because it's the work done in the agencies. >> if you remember, hallie, who was the most controversial nominee in the confirmation process? who had to have mike pence come and cast the tiebreaking vote? it was betsy devos because of her attitudes on charter schools. >> heidi, thank you for coming on. anita and aaron, thank you. we want to talk about an nbc exclusive. the new story from nbcnews.com about allegations involving jim jordan of ohio. three former wrestlers at ohio state university are accusing him of turning a blind eye to sexual abuse when he was a coach
at the school. jo jordan is a freedom caucus conservative. he wants to throw his hat in the ring for speaker of the house. corky, the congressman's remittive has said, repeatedly, and said again in response to your story, that he has denied knowing about this abuse. denied having knowledge of it. never had abuse reported to him when he was a coach. tell us about how they're responding and what else you heard from some of the former wrestlers. >> the wrestlers all are dismayed by the statements of the congressman because everybody knew everybody's business. it was a tiny locker room, it was a talk of the locker room. there were no secrets in that locker room. >> what specifically are the former wrestlers telling you? >> they're saying it was common knowledge that the doctor was going after the wrestlers. it was common knowledge that he would take showers with the
team. they talked about it all the time, complained to the congressman who was the assistant coach over there. and the congressman and heldicson who was the chief coach, everybody knew. >> the university announced in april, ohio state university, it was investigating accusations that this doctor you just referenced, richard strauss, he died in 2005, had abused team members when he was the team doctor, in the time from the mid-1970s to the mid-' 90s. jordan was there part of that time, '86-'94, in that time period. and said he never knew this abuse was happening. explain more about what you're hearing from them. >> the thing that i'm hearing most is dismay. they liked jordan. they talked about having lock d long discussions with him about this and that. he talked about how one day he
wanted to be president of the united states. they like and respect the guy. for him to say i don't know anything about this, they're amazed by that because everybody knew about this. >> what is ohio state university saying? >> well, ohio state university, to its credit, has jumped quickly on this. i mean, when the whistle-blowing wrestler came through, and came forward with all this and said, you have to do something about it, they jumped on it right away. they did not waste any time. and you know, they hired an outside law firm. they talked to about 150 people. the congressman is on their list of people to be questioned. his own spokesperson has confirmed as much, as well. >> is the expectation that congressman jordan would cooperate with that? >> well, yes. >> okay. that's what you're hearing from his folks? >> that's what his folks are saying, yes.
>> put this in perspective. there's been discussion about abuse at universities. i particularly think about the gymnastics story that we've been covering for months and months on this show and others. this seems to be a moment of reckoning for a lot of schools looking back at what may or may not have happened, the allegations of abuse against people in power, more broadly. >> absolutely. and as a matter of fact, part of the motivation here is what happened at michigan state. these wrestlers, these are tough guys. they have a hard time admitting -- you know, coming to grips with the idea of themselves being victims of something like this. they weren't motivated, in part by the bravery shown by the women that came forward at michigan state. >> corky siemaszko, thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. after the break, we'll talk about president trump turning up the heat on our allies, days before the nato summit. what he's demanding now and why it matters in the face of a controversial summit with this
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justin trudeau, saying hey, you've got to cough up more cash when it comes to your national defense through nato. has he heard back from anyone? >> i'm not going to get into the private correspondence of the president but i will say he has been clear on this message for a long time. united states puts over 4.5%. gdp into nato. he wants others to step up. >> that's white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders responding to the new report from the new york times. donald trump warns nato allies to spend more on defense or else. new criticism comes after last month's tension, friction, testiness between the president and g-7 leaders. it comes before next week's nato summit. president's face-to-face in vladimir putin. nbc national security na-she wa
also senior addviser. your old boss. your former boss. >> admiral. >> mr. sound byte. wash this. >> you have to put yourself in the the shoes of those european leaders. they must feel like the rest of us getting ready for a root canal with the dentist. they know it's coming. >> is that will sum it up? what kind of tone is there giving these warnings? >> i think they do feel like the drill bit is coming at them. and they're a little scared. they don't know whether they should prepare it's not coming, or whether they should confront it head on. what we heard behind the scenes was that the allies confronted him and said we don't have a surplus and in case of the other
allies, here are the fact. >> this is a president who has been talking about this since the beginning. he called nato obsolete. then last year not. >> he's talking about this one metric, which is the how much the your gdp you put into extra funding for nato. because, remember, there's a common budget, and they all put into the common budget. we put in. that's based on how much your gdp is. so u.s. does pay a lot more into that but we're also the wealthiest country. then there's the political cal commitment all the allies made to put at least 2% on top of that. but there are a lot of other things that countries do. basing for germany. german government pays a lot and provides a lot of support that the president doesn't see and they don't give us a bill for that. that's just one example. >> do you think -- general west
was on the show and sat the relationship has never been this tense before. do you think he's right? >> there's certainly been tensions before this conflict over how much other countries are putting into nato. >> not new. >> but the president of course has been much more willing to confront our allies in ways that others haven't been in the past. i thought it was really interesting this week. we saw the white house come and say that canada was taking advantage of us in very blunt terms. there's obviously the feuding with mexico this. is something that was seeded very early on but very much germ nating and growing. >> this is all happening in the meeting that's going to come after. spokesperson for the kremlin says they're going to meet one-on-one, privately, no aides. >> when he's there with the russian ambassador and the white house and oval office, he gives away intelligence that pertains
to the terrorist threats. what's he going to discuss with vladimir putin ? plus the whole shadow of the russian investigation. is it a procedure relationship? honestly, luckily i would imagine they'll be interpreters although putin knows some english. >> this is going to be just like the last trip. the blow-up at the g-7 over some of the same issues, fair share. he meets with the chairman kim of north korea. same kind of issue, same kind of tones with it. >> yeah. i mean he's going to try to just sweet talk putin and he's going to try to sweet talk him. >> you can't sweet talk putin. >> thanks for coming on. thank you for joining us for this show on this holiday week tuesday. don't miss our special coverage this hour of msnbc. we'll be bringing you live
coverage fr coverage. we're taking the show on the road oversees, do not miss it up. wrap up with our big picture coming to us from the dallas zoo. baby gorilla holding on to its mom, hope. this is a big deal rare moment. it's the first baby gorilla born there in 20 years. no name for this little nugget yet but that's coming soon. picture taken by staffers. we'd love to hear your thoughts. >> so cute. >> that is so cute. i've been on a gorilla issafarin rwanda. i have pictures. >> send it over and consider it. potentially. maybe. no promises. >> it is hot where you are. it's 94 where you are.
>> by the way my last show for the week. >> >> all right. my friend. enjoy. we will talk. >> see you monday. of the. >> all right. good morning everyone. tuesday, july 3. let's get smarter. >> i interviewed around met with four potential justices of our great supreme court. i'll be meeting with two or three more. and we'll make a decision on the united states supreme court, the new justice, that will be made over the next few days and we'll be announcing it on monday. >> those first four interviews, according to "the washington post," all appeals court judges. >> would the president like to see roe v. wade overturned? >> once again i'm not going to get any specifics. >> not about a conversation -- >> the department of health and human services say it will no longer going to be providing the specific number