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the july 4th holiday with a number of fights on his hands. according to the "new york times" trump sent letters criticizing leaders of several nato allies, before trump meets face to face with each one at the nato summit in brussels next week. in a four-hour time span the president went on a twitter rant about the economy and supreme court. some were in line with the attacks out of the white house's main twitter account over the pasts 24 hours, focused on slamming democratic senators and congressional leaders on immigration and border control. the president heads to friendly territory next hour, though. he's going to west virginia, his fifth time to that state since he was elected. following all this action for us from west virginia where the president is headed is nbc news white house correspondent geoff bennett. good afternoon. what's the situation and what's going on in west virginia? >> hey there, ali. we've been talking all day to people in lewis burg, west
virginia and white sulfur bring about people on the spts's short list for the supreme court. we got a couple ambulances coming by here. on that short list tick through them at the top of the list in no order, brett kavanaugh, on the d.c. circuit he was the staff secretary under former president george w. bush. also amy coney barrett, she is -- sits on the seventh circuit currently and clerked for former justice antonin scalia and at 46 the youngest of the top prospects, also amul thapar, on the sixth circuit, would be the first justice of south asian descent and also raymond kethledge of the sixth circuit. the president spoke with senator mike lee of utah today about his supreme court pick, although we do not believe that mike lee is on the president's short list. whomever the president ultimately settles on, people here in west virginia and the heart of trump country say they want the president to pick a centrist. they do not want an ultraconservative in the mold of
some of the folks the president has nominated to the lower courts. take a look at what people had to say today. >> i think he needs to wait and see who that person is and i kind of like what he's been doing, to be honest. he's pretty conservative in my mind, but he's not so conservative that he's unreasonable. >> the president you mean? >> well, no, i'm talking about joe. >> so west virginia's democratic senator joe manchin has a big role to play in this as does other red state democrats. manchin was the first of three democrats to split with the party and support neil gorsuch, president trump's first supreme court pick. man ch manchin is in the throes of contested senate re-election bid, this is a state that broke for president trump. manchin has a choice to make, stick with the president or support the president as a way of muting criticism from his opponents who would like to see
the seat end up in republican hands. >> joe donnaly and joe manchin, heidi heitkamp under pressure to vote for the president's nominee and there are some republicans under pressure not to support a nominee who might support the overturning of roe v. wade. the simple math a lot of people have in their minds may not be applicable in this senate confirmation. thanks for that. geoff, good to see you. let's talk about a name that's emerging. you heard geoff mention her as a tom contender, amy barrett, one of the leading female candidates and reportedly already met with the president. amy barrett is 46 years old, the mother of seven children, and a member of the federalist society. that's the organization that is helping the president vet candidates for the supreme court. she clerked for supreme court justice antonin scalia and taught at the university of notre dame law school. barrett serves on the seventh u.s. circuit court of appeals, a position she has held for less than one year. she will face the same senate
should she be nominated to the supreme court. they've heard from her and she's been vetted by them. dianne feinstein drew criticism during barrett's 2017 circuit court confirmation for questioning whether her catholic faith would take precedent over the law? >> i think whatever a religion is, it has its own dogma. the law is totally different. and i think in your case, professor, when we read your speeches, the conclusion one draws is that the dogma lives loudly within you. that's of concern when you come to big issues that large numbers of people have fought for for years in this country. >> all right. another cause for concern for
opponents is barrett's affiliation with the group people of praise. according to the "new york times" members of this group swear a life-long loyalty called a covenant and are assigned to a personal adviser called a head for men and a handmaid for women. barrett also wrote against the supreme court decisions in upholding the affordable care act. she wrote an opinion titled counting the majoritarian difficulty saying chief justice roberts pushed the affordable care act beyond its plausible meaning to save that law. a 2013 piece in notre dame's magazine says in a lecture series, barrett said life begins at conception and roe v. wade created a framework of abortion on demand. but, that it's, quote, very unlikely that the top court would overturn roe v. wade's core protection of abortion rights. however in a notre dame law school article barrett suggested she would not be shy in
overruling supreme court precedence saying, quote, i tend to agree with those who say a justice's duty is to the constitution and it is thus more legitimate for her to enforce her best understanding of the constitution than a precedent she thinks is clearly in conflict with it. this is not somebody who sounds like she is friendly to roe v. wade. joining us more to talk about this is democratic senator from maryland ben cardin. good to see you. thank you for being with us. the president says he's not asking any of these people about their position on roe v. wade. but he doesn't have to because the senate will. >> ali, good to be with you. he's working on a list that's been prepared by a group that has an ajgenda and that is to reverse roe v. wade, protections for women and affordable care act. the list that's being -- using is one in which they believe these judges will reverse precedent and affect your rights under the constitution. >> senator, what is the best
road for people who are concerned about this? because right now there are a lot of issues out there that many americans are concerned about, but in the end, if mitch mcconnell and colleagues confirm a nominee to the supreme court before the midterm elections, a lot of those issues will be decided by the court. >> no question about it. we want the american people to focus in on what is at stake here. that yis, an independent suprem court that will protect your constitutional rights against the abuses of the president, against the abuses of congress, of corporate america. we want an independent supreme court and independent court that will follow precedent and what we're concerned about this nominee could reverse the balance on the court for a generation to come. yes, it's about women's rights of choice, it's about what's going to happen with the affordable care act and protection against a preexisting
conditions, our environmental issues. so many issues that are at risk here. we want the american people to focus in on the person who is nominated by the president, whether that person is just going to do the president's bidding or that person will be an independent voice from mainstream judicial thought. >> senator, on june 27th, you tweeted, i can assure you we have not forgotten about merrick garland. we know the abuses of what they did to president obama and his nominee for the supreme court was nothing short of outrageous. it's a sentiment many have expressed. what tools do you have? you cannot forget about merrick garland but what tools do you have at your disposal now that president says he's going to name a nominee next week and mitch mcconnell says he's going to have a vote on this before the elections? >> well, look, clearly the republican leader is being hypocritical saying we have enough time, even though you have a few months before an election where he denied president obama's choice where
we had 11 months before the election. that's being hypocritical. we will use every tool at our disposal so the american people understand what's at stake here about the person nominated by the president. so i will take advantage of every opportunity i have in the united states senate to bring home the point to the american people that we need to evaluate this nominee, whether that person will protect your rights under the constitution or just going to do the president's bidding. >> we've been talking about roe v. wade a lot today because it's important for americans to understand this not a strictly abortion related ruling, it's about privacy and the government's role in your life as it relates to the 14th amendment. you didn't vote for amy barrett for the circuit court but she was confirmed by the senate, 55-43. mostly party line vote. three democrats voted along with every republican including susan collins and lisa murkowski, both of whom have said they would have reservations for voting for somebody who might overturn roe v. wade. the reason to focus on her, the
literature is clear, she has articulated the idea she's hostile to roe v. wade and affordable care act and things like that. how do you square that circle. how do three republicans and a few -- two democrats and three republicans who have said that they're not in favor of this sort of thing, how are they going to square nis circle? >> i don't think they can. roe v. wade is much broader than abortion rights. it's about empowerment of women to make their own decision, justice in this country. it's a fundamental decision protecting constitutional rights and quite frankly, disappointment when we're filling justice kennedy's spot is not a position on the court of appeals, this is a position on the supreme court that will very much change the balance of the supreme court. so i think each of these senators, all senators, have to be accountable for what is at stake here. that's why we're asking the american people to please focus on this, focus on the issues of how -- what the court's decision
will mean in your life. >> you were at a baltimore rally, at one of the rallies to defend children and families at the border. the government seems to be going the other direction. a court order they're supposed to reunify children with their families and instead of giving the media updates whether the number has come down since friday they're not releasing information. i suspect because the government is worried it's not going to be able to live up to this court order and don't want us all knowing to what degree they're not doing it. we feel like we're going in the wrong direction here. >> oh, absolutely. the government knows where each of these parents are. they know where all the children. yet they're not releasing any of the information. that is outrageous. this is the united states of america. this is the leading democratic country in the world. and we're not releasing information. and we have a policy that separates parentses from their children at the border now we're being told that we're not even
following a court order that said reunite as quickly as possible. this is just -- this is not what america is about. this policy never should have been. it's going to be eliminated. parents have to be reunited with their children. >> good to see you. thanks very much for joining me again. ben cardin of maryland. new investigation into the president's attorney, personal attorney, michael cohen. monday the feds got their hands on the documents seized during the april raid of cohen's businesses and home and more than 1.3 million documents, an additional 22,000 by the way that still need to be released after review and they've got until thursday to do that. these documents were reviewed by the trump organization and a court-appointed special master out of concern some of the material may be protected by attorney-client privilege. the documents include papers that had been shredded and had to be pieced back together. it's about a dozen pieces of paper. buzzfeed got the hands on the reconstructed pieces. joining me is senior investigative reporter jason
leopold. you didn't reveal last night when on with chris hayes how you got these, how do you manage to confirm the authenticity of shredded documents. >> we confirmed that through multiple sources, other people who are in the know and would be in a position to authenticate it. that's pretty much all i can say on the sourcing issue. >> all right. >> yeah. >> tell me what you can say about how the fbi puts these things together. i mean, most people are fascinated. shredded documents. the fbi gets them. they see a pile of shredded stuff and start putting it together. what do they do to put these things together? >> i've learned in the sort of course of reporting the story small piece of the backstory is, that the fbi has software in which they can just scan these documents in to a computer and they sort of fit together like a jigsaw puzzle with chon words and phrases and sentences may
fit together. it's still a painstaking effort. some of these documents were shredded to the point where they were indecipherable but the fbi has that software that allows them to do that as opposed to say, you know, just sitting and taping each and every piece. >> right. and i guess for people who don't know the difference between vertical shredders and cross-cut shredders, he used a plain old vertical shredder doesn't cut it twice into little pieces. i don't know if the fbi can deal with that too. what's interesting about this? a lot of stuff that i didn't understand the relevance of but there's definitely one bank wire transfer receipt. >> yeah. so the -- what's interesting about this, these set of documents, is the fact that when we found out that michael cohen had shredded documents and the fbi seized the contents of a shredder, obviously, there was speculation as to what that
contained. there was smoking gun. he was destroying evidence. what's most interesting is that it does not appear that there is a smoking gun in here. there's a letter from a woman in california described as a lit gant who claimed that donald trump had harassed and blackmailed her, she was under government surveillance. there was a copy of a wire transfer to first republic bank that was controlled by michael cohen. that's probably the most interesting document in this cache because it fits with previous reporting about payments that were negotiated and made to various people who said that they were romantically involved with donald trump. there's an invitation to a dinner reception in miami, florida, about the cutter business community. so i mean it's -- as i mentioned yesterday, it's hard to tell
what is of interest here to investigators. in the course of reporting, particularly on someone like michael cohen, where every single thing that surfaces seems like a smoking gun or it's damming, we felt that it was our duty to also show that there's nothing there. >> some of it is not. kind of puzzling why he would shred an invitation, okay. good to see you. thank you very much for your reporting on this. a senior investigative reporter at buzzfeed. >> up next we will take you to thailand, a remarkable story. 12 school boys and their soccer coach found alive after being trapped in a flooded cave for nine days. they may have to wait. i don't know, i don't understand how it can be months, at least weeks before they can be rescued. the complications holding up their rescue and the measures taken to help them. janis mackey frayer is on the ground in thailand for us. you're watching msnbc. .
experts say it could take weeks if not months to get 12 boys and their coach trapped in a flooded cave complex out in thailand. it took nine days for experienced divers to finally reach the group and those divers had to chip away at rocks to create larger openings to pass through. that's why this is an issue. none of the boys who range from is 11 to 16 know how to swim and the water levels are rising. the cave is six miles of narrow
passageways that run under a mountain and the group is stuck in the middle. janis mackey frayer is in thailand with the latest on the rescue efforts. >> reporter: a remarkable turn of events here. thai officials say that all 12 boys and the coach are healthy, they're in stable condition, being cared for by medics. the challenge now is getting them out. >> how many of you? >> 13. >> 13. >> yes. 13. >> brilliant. >> reporter: prayers from around the world answered by a miracle. all 12 missing boys and their coach found alive after being trapped in the flooded cave system for nine days. their first words to the two british divers that found them more than a mile under ground. >> thank you. >> reporter: the boys ranging in age from 11 to 16 still wearing their soccer gear, sitting on a mound in a cave, tired, hungry, barefoot, and almost total darkness, but alive. >> you have been here ten days.
ten days. you are very strong. >> we are happy too. >> reporter: on dry land, jubilant cheers from relieved family members and rescuers. >> the fact that all of them survived really says someone in that group has to be a morale leader. someone telling them, we're just going to live hour by hour, half a day by half a day. >> reporter: finding the children is just the first step in what is still considered a very risky rescue effort. none of the boys know how to swim. and they need to be taught how to negotiate tiny, underwater passages. rescuers working out how to best get the boys out, briefed on using full face masks. experts say it could be weeks if not months until they can get the frightened boys out safely. medical divers are being sent in to evaluate their health and food is also being brought to the kids who have not eaten in over a week.
rescuers are fighting rising waters, strong currents and mud. and the threat of more rain later this week. american military specialists joy thai special forces in the effort. >> it's just amazing to see the hugs and donations and just the thanks. it really just gives me chills. >> reporter: the boys are more than a mile deep inside a chain of caves. rescuers have been using huge pumps around the clock in an effort to reduce water levels. relatives desperately waiting since the boys went missing are overjoyed that they've been found. >> we think it's one of the most wonderful things that has happened in our world for a very long time. >> reporter: the divers who found the boys, trying to give them hope. >> many people are coming. we are the first. >> reporter: more than a thousand people are involved in the rescue effort and they're looking at every possible option including drilling new entries to the cave system. the biggest thing working against them is the weather. there's rain in the forecast and water levels could rise about six inches every hour.
relatives have been keeping vigil. they were overjoyed at the news but now a new sort of weight is taking shape. >> that's janis mackey frayer reporting from thailand for us. up next reports that president trump plans to roll back obama-era guidance on affirmative action telling schools they shouldn't consider race in the admissions process. i will be joined by someone who co-authored the guidelines and how betsy devos is revamping the mission of her department stripping away the safeguards that protect economically vulnerable students. you're watching msnbc. come here, babe. ok. nasty nighttime heartburn? try new alka-seltzer pm gummies. the only fast, powerful heartburn relief plus melatonin so you can fall asleep quickly.
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the trump administration is moving to roll back an obama administration effort to boost diversity at colleges and universities according to several media reports. they say the white house is set to announce that it will rescind guidance first issued by the justice and education departments in 2011 encouraging schools to consider race as a factor in the admissions process. the trump administration reportedly plans to encourage schools to adopt race blind admission standards and restore george w. bush era guidelines. the argument the obama era rules go beyond the precedent set by the u.s. supreme court. joining us to talk about this is
a woman who played a role in the drafting of the guidance when she served as the chief of the educational opportunity section of the civil rights division during the obama administration. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> this is a world in which people want to think about this in terms of there's either needs blind or affirmative action, but the truth is somewhere in the middle that people still get into universities on the basis of their merits but certain things are considered that allow certain otherwise marginalized groups or groups that have been disadvantaged to be considered. >> correct. and the middle has really been laid out by the united states supreme court multiple times and so just in 2016, two years ago, the supreme court said once again, for the fourth time in a number of years, in the last 15 years, that it's in the vital national interest to make sure we have ways to promote
diversity and address racial in schools. >> for everybody who says don't worry about roe v. wade it's settled law, i want to put up cases, 1978, 2003, 2016, the one you referred to, fisher versus the university of texas and another 2003 case. four times. and since the directive that you were responsible for, the supreme court has ruled in the 2016 case. so the bottom line is, one would argue this is established law and the trump administration is undoing it. >> correct. so the law hasn't changed. and so we have decision today, they've confirmed they're going to take down the guidances and i don't know what the impact will be on colleges and universities and what the impact will be on k through 12 schools. one of the important pieces here is that not only are they taking down the guidance for higher education they're also taking down guidance that helps schools figure out how to address segregation and promote diversity for our youngest children. >> what does the directive do?
universities -- what does this guidance mean? is there a penalty if universities don't abide by this? >> no. what the guidance was trying to do in 2011 and what it would continue to do now, is to help schools and colleges and universities explain how it is they can promote diverseny a way that complies with the law. and that means that when the federal government is looking into any complaints it may receive, it would also look to that kind of guidance and how it examines those kinds of complaints. >> there are a lot of americans who say somehow they have been pushed to the back of the line. it wasn't a situation that they faced in the beginning. certainly even in a lot of alt-right online communities, this issue is front and center. this is used as an excuse to say white students are pushed aside by other students because of directives like this. what's your best argument in favor of affirmative action in the university admissions process? >> so for right now we're in a time across america where there are deepening divides and
tensions. what we know from decades of experiences when we have a process where race isn't the only factor, race is one among many, many factors, so -- >> this is important to understand. this is not meant to say if you are not otherwise qualified in any fashion, you get the space in university? >> right. this is not quotas and not some people getting a preference because of their race. what this is, we're going to take account of lots of things people bring to the table, their perspective and experiences and when that happens and when we have campuses where everyone feels welcome and where they are open to people of all different backgrounds, we all win. >> you have noted that you think this change is part of a plan to divide people coming on the heels of the separation of families at the borders. what's the connection? >> in my mind this is a continuation of an effort to foment divides and separations in america because what this signals when the law hasn't changed, is simply this administration decided these are not goals it wants to continue to pursue which is to promote
diversity inclusion. try to address segregation and the divides in this country is not something it wants to pursue. for that reason i think of it as part of this longer term effort to divide and to separate and that's part of the kinds of policies we've been seeing over the last couple weeks. >> thank you very much for joining me on this. she's the former chief of the educational opportunity section of the civil rights division at the department of justice. affirmative action isn't the only thing the trump administration is going after in the world of higher education. in a new report nbc news looks at the steps that education secretary betsy devos is taking to end protections for students in debt to for profit schools. let me be clear you heard that. to end protections for students in debt to for profit schools. even the ones that go out of business. she's expected to rework the rules requiring for profit schools to equip students with minimal employment skills to qualify for federal aid. let that sink in. those for profit schools typically target low-income or minority students and critics
claim there are people who go there and receive absolutely worthless degrees and end up thousands of dollars the debt. supporters for profit colleges say they meet the demand for nontraditional and vocational training. a spoke denies saying devos is doing what's best for students not targeting schools on their tax status. leveling the playing field, not tilting the scales. for more on how the education department is doing this i'm joined by nbc's national political reporter heidi pressbala. good to see you. >> good to see you too. >> tell me about this. >> so, two things about this in terms of why american voters should be concerned. the first one is, because exactly what you mentioned, that these schools tend to target specifically low-income individuals, individuals who are economically distressed, target them to take out massive amounts of debt and in many cases are left with worthless degrees. secondly, is the taxpayer angle.
a lot of these students, since they are low-income qualify for pell grants, qualify for federal loans and where does that money come from? u.s. taxpayers. before the obama administration cracked down on these for profit schools, increased the standards, required them to at least have a minimum in terms of providing gainful employment to these individuals, and allowed individuals to also get out of their debt when they had been defrauded by schools, prior to that these schools took in billions of dollars -- they still do by the way, but about $32 billion in 2010. today about $16.6 billion. and there are still even with these stronger stringent there are still bad actors. we cited one school in particular from a 2012 senate report and it says according to the recruiting manual, for recruiters, this is what you should look for in your profile for students. quote, welfare mom with kids, pregnant ladies, recent divorce,
low self-esteem, low-income jobs, recent death, mentally physically abused and i could go on. this is a school still in operation. >> it has attracted some of the most unscrupulous dealers around because it's a great business. if you and i started a school knowing we could attract students who would get loans to be there, the inflation rate for this education was increasing, regardless of the quality of education, what's the connection with betsy devos undermining the rights of students in this case, given the fact that we do have a president who ran one of these schools, targeted specifically for this, attracting people, giving them worthless degrees and getting them into debt? >> it's a question of the culture and current administration, because it is no coincidence that betsy devos has also taken in a number of officials who previously worked for these for profit schools to be her top advisors. robert itel, an attorney to bridgepoint which was actually fined $23 million, it settled,
$23 million with defrauded students. there is a culture in this administration, you could argue with those officials, advising her and the president himself having the history of paying off students who say that they were defrauded by trump university. >> heidi, good to talk to you. thank you for being with us. >> thanks, ali. >> nbc news national political correspondent. coming up, from lawn mowers to pizza, sleeping bags, ketchup, canada slaps tariffs on a slew of products from trump loving red states. what this means with one of our closest allies. you're watching msnbc.
the trump administration is attacking canada over its decision to impose tariffs on nearly $13 billion worth of american goods. >> we've been very nice to canada for many years and they've taken advantage of that, particularly advantage of our farmerses and at the g7 the president proposed that they get rid of all tariffs and drop all barriers an have really great trade and they refused that and escalating tariffs against the united states does nothing to help canada and it only hurts american workers. >> white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders made those comments after canada placed tariffs on these u.s. products in retaliation for the tariffs that president trump imposed on canadian steel and aluminum. canadian officials said the tariffs focus on goods produced in states that donald trump won in 2016, including pizza,
whiskey, ketchup, mustard, yogurt, maple syrup, refrigerators, beer kegs, boats, sleeping bags, playing cards, ball point pens and more. joining us to talk about how this is playing out north of the border an anchor at the canadian business news networks bloomberg. good to see you my friend. >> good to be here. >> how is it playing north of the border? are canadians riled up about this? >> so, there's a certain amount of riling going on. canadians, we're tough to rile, but there is the rhetoric does hit home. we're seeing canadian politicians playing into it by retaliating with tariffs, even though, of course, as you know, the tariffs hurt us. this is the classic cutting off your nose to spite your face but feels good the way these things can as small children will tell you, and it plays well politically. so many people that i talk to who are very reasonable people who understand how business and economics work, will say, well you have to hit back at a bully.
and you kind of say, well why is that? why is it the right thing to do? the truth is, it feels good, looks good politically, looks strong, even though they're not wrong about this, it hurts everybody. >> what's the other option? if the united states imposes tariffs and uses a specious national security argument which is wrong and that does ultimately hurt canadian businesses and i'm using canada as an example here, for everyone else the u.s. has done this to, what's the response that does make sense? >> well, it would be the one that stays true to your values, stays true to what you profess to believe in, and relies on the rule of law. so i'm not saying that this is a politically saleable position, but if you're already out there arguing free trade is better for everybody and tariffs are inordinately bad, don't put them in place, say what you're doing is wrong, president trump, we're not going to put retaliatory tariffs in place because it will only hurt our government, our citizens, our business.
we will go to the world trade organization and use the mechanisms at our legal disposal to show what you're doing is wrong and we will win this based on the high ground and what we truly believe. that's not the way politics work, as you know. so we don't get that. what we get is instead this tit-for-tat with real costs. steel and aluminum, we're in the very short summer period here, and the price of beer, those aluminum cans, is already being affected by the aluminum tariffs. those are real jobs that are already on the line. so this isn't -- you know, you can sit around a cocktail party and discuss what the right thing to do is, real jobs are at stake. let's at least have the moral high ground. that is one position that we and the europeans could take in the face of all of this. >> the argument that i would hope would come out of this or the debate that i would hope what woo come out isn't going to be the right one, for decades, economists and journalists have argued that freer trade is good for gdp growth, corporate
profitability and good for those things, but for manufacturing workers who earn a good wage in the west it has not been great. we haven't addressed that. there are many canadians that think canada got the short end of the free trade stick. >> i think you'll find most have bought the free trade argument. when you take wealthy nation likes the u.s. and canada aptnd put them against mexico the cost of labor and wage they make is so much lower there should be a leveling. we have seen a small one. the wages of the mexican labor have come up, they haven't come up in a meaningful way. for that to happen our wages have to stabilize or go down. so i think you're right. there is a dark side. the bright side to free trade and this is where i think this notion of dropping all tariffs saying we're going to do away with all of them, that's a very appealing one. what's says let's actually compete on what we're good at. that blue collar job of auto manufacturing is going away. a.i., robotics, mexican labor,
whatever it is, it's going away slowly. what are the new jobs? the new jobs come from competition, innovation, new business formation, spurred by trade and makes us hungry and strong. we don't get that if you protect industries. they mold away until the jobs are gone. >> thank you for shedding light on this. say hi to toronto for me. up next, new details of embattled epa chief pruitt's spending habits. from the reporter who broke the latest story. you're watching msnbc. this calls for a taste of cheesecake. philadelphia cheesecake cups. rich, creamy cheesecake with real strawberries. find them with the refrigerated desserts. about the colonial penn program. here to tell you with real strawberries. if you're age 50 to 85 and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three p's. what are the three p's?
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that was mom and teacher kristen speaking last night to epa director scott pruitt at dinner. he's facing scandal after scandal wrapped in a scandal involving improper spending and favors. "the washington post" reports on his push to get his wife a job, this is separate from the time he tried to get her a chick-fil-a franchise. aides claim he tried to get his wife a job with the attorney general association. the aide reportedly did not go through with it because of a conflict of interest and the potential hatch act violation. add that to the rest of the things pruitt is accused of doing. i'm just going to run through a couple of them. $3 million spent on security. sweet heart condo deal, $50 a might. this chick-fil-a franchise. he asked an aide to purchase a used mattress from the trump hotel. that's just weird. i like fancy pens. he spent $1,500 on 12 pens.
for the latest, i'm joined by brady dennis, who has spent a lot of time covering pruitt. brady, this is not new in its context. we sort of have known about this sort of thing, but congress is getting more and more detail. i'm just curious as to whether this goes anywhere, whether it leads to anything. >> well, that's the question i think a lot of us are waiting to hear the answer to. in one sense what's significant about what we reported today was, you know, for months now, scott pruitt has essentially blamed his ethical troubles and the scrutiny that he's faced on political opponents or environmental groups or the media or disgruntled employees. but what you see here, what we reported on today was his own top aides, you know, detailing some of these apparent ethical lapses. >> are they turning on him or being questioned under oath so they have to detell the truth?
>> yeah, they're in front of an oversight committee an capitol hill and you don't lie to congress. they answered the questions they were asked. >> this is just weird. some of it is not weird, some of it is people who don't know how to conduct themselves in public office doing things they know they shouldn't be able to do. you have rule where is you work, i've got rules where i work. both of us would be fired for anything on that list. but scott pruitt is not new to this. he was the attorney general of oklahoma. he knows that these things could not be allowed where he's from. what's behind all of this? why is this happening and why is he not out of a job? >> the one simple reason is that, you know, his keeping his job depends on one opinion only, and that's the opinion of president trump. and to this point, the president has backed his epa chief and has continued to praise the job he's doing and rolling back all sorts of regulations. so as long as that's the case, i
think scott pruitt feels like he's on solid ground, unless that changes. >> that is the key thing, he's actually doing well at his job. if the job is to deregulate the epa, just like betsy devos' job is to deregulate the department of education. brady dennis, thank you for joining me. up next, crude oil prices topped $75 a barrel today. and then took a plunge. i'll explain the cause of this price fluctuation. you're watching msnbc.
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all right. your road trip is going to cost a little more because of rising oil prices. oil was up 20 cents to close at just over $74. today, gains were fueled by a supply disruption at a major facility in the canadian oil sands and new concerns about libyan oil exports because of this conflict in libya. but the spike in oil began last week, after the state department said it expected global imports of iranian oil to effectively stop by november 4th, the day when the u.s. will reimpose sanctions on iran's energy sector after pulling out of the iran nuclear deal. the u.s. said it would sanction
countries that import oil from iran. president trump has complained about rising oil prices, tweeting that saudi arabia agreed to increase oil production by 2 million barrels a day, but that's not translating to relief at the gas pump. the national average for regular self-serve gasoline is now $2.86 a gallon. that's up two cents from last week, but the organization says if this current trend continues, and gas prices go on a bit of a lag from oil prices, gas could top $3 a gallon in the coming month. so wherever you are, you can expect maybe a 15 cement increase in the gallon of gas. i'll be back here at 11:00 p.m. eastern for "the 11th hour." thank you for watching. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. president trump started the day lost in sseinfeld's "the
opposite" episode saying -- >> but it's president trump's own intelligence agencies who have determined that north korea has increased nuclear production at secret sites. that reporting is based on interviews with more than a dozen u.s. officials. but president trump didn't stop his attack on american intelligence agencies there. this morning, he also carved out time to attack the nsa, led by admiral mike rogers tweeting -- >> if you're keeping track at home, that's two more new