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monday. democrats hoping to pressure the president to replace a well known moderate with another moderate but looking at the list it didn't look likely. the other hope, the american dream. we're talking with unimmigrant, a mom who crossed the border legally back in may. the u.s. still took her children from her and she hasn't seen them in two months. how she plans to get them back. that young soccer team, their coach still trapped inside a flooded ka eed cave. there's new video. a live report from the scene there. we'll take you there coming up this hour. we have team set up across the country and around the world today. we'll begin at the white house. good morning to you. the president giving an update last night on his supreme court search saying they are all impress ifr people. a source with first hand
knowledge say they have it down to seven. where do you see this at this point? >> reporter: this is the president building anticipation and galvanize support where he can. with this phase where there are names publicly floated. we have two women among the group. he has tied to the bush era but also worked on the impeachment of bill clinton. you get a lot of attention around amy coney barrett. there's been a lot of interest in her background and positions. she was voted through by the
senate before. there's an indication when you have federal judges, among the list, people who have been vetted in the process. the president on the road doing his best to drum up interest among his base. he was at a setting to celebrate military service, he did bring in this most important of presidential powers. his ability to choose a nominee who would influence the court and by extension affect american life for decades to come. here is how the president talked about his process in west virginia last night. >> i spent the last three days interviewing and thinking about supreme court justices. such an important decision. we're going to give you a great one. we're going to announce it on monday. i think you'll be very impressed. these are very talented people, brilliant people. i think you'll really love it like justice gorsich. we hit a home run there. we're going to hit a home run here. step di step we are making
america great again. >> reporter: the president had said publicly that he would not question these potential choices on specific issues. as we've been explaining, they are from a list that's already been vetted in conservative circles. the president has distilled potential choices to a group that would largely represent con se -- conservative ideas. anthony kennedy who was a swing vote had been on the court and surprised people from time to time. there's also anxiety from both ends about baa kind of a jurist would someone be when elevated to the supreme court. >> the pool telling us he's off on a road trip. not suring where it's going. we'll let folks know. thank you. one of the senators to watch in the supreme court debate right now is the main republican, susan collins. she will be marching in today's annual independence day parade.
our friend is there this morning. we're seeing some abortion rights groups. they are really turning up the heat on susan kol lips. how are they doing that? >> reporter: exactly. if you look here, you see advertisements from key pro-choice groups that are telling folks. tell susan collins to go against any nominee who would work to overturn roe v wade. senator kol lcollins will be co here in about an hour. the president cannot afford to lose a single republican voter. if john mccain is unwilling to make it up to the senate to cast that vote. because without john mccain, you have 50 republican senators and vice president pence would be the one that could be that deciding 51st vote. there's two pro-choice republicans in the senate. that's susan collins here in main and lisa murkowski.
i talked to a gentleman said he didn't vote for president trump but voted for susan collins. he appreciates her streak of independence. he doesn't feel roe v wade should be overturned. i also talked to debbie and she has a message for susan collins herself. >> i believe that women need their privacy in making their choices. i believe that americans all should have their freedoms to decide their own personal issues. >> i think that the president knows what he's doing and we put him in the white house for a reason. i think that he's going to use al of his advisers to make a good decision. >> you voted for him for having a supreme court justice that was more conservative? >> yeah. >> would you be opened to roe v wade being other turned and banning abortions in the country? >> i think there's a lot of factors that go into it. i think that people should be able to have their choice.
>> reporter: now susan collins has been very careful in her words. this is what colleague kelly o'donnell was talking about. she said she wouldn't vote to confirm something who has been openly hostile to roe v wade. what does that mean? because the supreme court has shown a willingness to overturn. it was the labor ruling from 40 years ago that they just overturned this week. susan collins said she believes a nominee should hold legal precedent but it's tough to get that answer out of somebody during a confirmation process. so they went to the white house and met with president trump last week. susan collinens said she told president trump she would offer up her own names that she should take into consideration. we'll talk to her here in this next hour. >> all right. enjoy the parade. thank you. we're joined now by msnbc
supreme court contributor and publisher of scotus blog and our attorney in the room. tom, i want to start with you can i can speaking with those close to the president. people involved with first hand knowledge of this process. it sounds like while the president has seven names under consideration, it's really smaller number. maybe three he's most focused on. the names i keep hear are kethledge and coney barrett. >> you have a split between institutional republicans. he's really well known in washington legal circles.
ray kethledge has another justice kennedy clerk. someone in the middle, respected but not an establishment figure who has been to all the meetings in washington, d.c. but has been a judge for quite a while. he has a track record. amy conen barrett is the wild card in this. she's the youngest. she's younger than 50. she's 46. she has a mom. she has seven kids, two of whom are adopted. she had a big fight in her confirmation for the court of appeals. got into this fight over whether it is her catholicism would have too much influence on her judging. that's made her a hero on the right. >> the new york times framed this well. specifically speaking, these two judges exemplify this choice that trump faces in a supreme court pick. the times writes the stark
contrast between two of the contenders reflects the division on the right between the establishment and social conservatives who are focused on issues like abortion and religious freedom. social conservatives lead toward barrett. >> we have a distinction. cavanaugh said he didn't believe a president should be intruded upon in a civil investigation. >> you relate this to the criminal investigation in the russia probe? >> absolutely. say, for example, michael cohen turned over a number of documents to the prosecutor and some of those -- and tapes add well well. some show trump is far more involved than trump is saying. all of a sudden you have a situation where can mueller subpoena donald trump.
can a president be indicted? those types of issues will end up before the supreme court. if trump picks a judge who he knows would not go along with robert mueller, well, that would benefit him. >> this all intersects at some point. i want to ask you about mike lee. the white house yesterday said the president had spoken to lee. lee's office said it was an interview. the white house said they spoke. kel kellyanne conway said these are proven jurists. mike lee is not a proven jurist. can we rule him out? >> there's an indication he isn't at the top of the list. he would be an interesting choice. he's thought about the supreme court for a long time. having clerked there. been involved in these issues for a long time. i think the president is trying to check a few other boxes. it would present the fascinating scenario where he cast the deciding vote in the senate in
favor of his own confirmation for the supreme court. >> people anticipate this decision for the president. where do you think the real flash points are. are we overstating the potential reve reversal of roe v wade. he said he's picking on monday. it's almost like lebron picking a team. the flash points would be roe v wade. could be voting rights. >> are we overstating roe v wade. has it been established law in effect for long enough this is perhaps the democrats forcing this issue or is there real potential there? >> there is a potential. when people testify on the hill during their confirmation hearings they are not always completely forthright in how they will vote.
then you have 20 or 30 states saying one thing and 20 or 30 states saying another. >> the president said by picking two or three justices it would be reversed because he would be picking pro-life justices. have a nice holiday. >> thanks. thousands of people will become americans on this holiday. taking the oath of citizenship on july 4th. many immigrants still waiting for that chance to be a part of america. recent crackdowns by the trump administration making that increasingly difficult. my colleague speaking with one mom who is still looking for her two young sons separated after coming through a port of entry two months ago. that's next. it's right here on msnbc. >> the only thing i told my kids was i love you. i love you.
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immigration agents to give the parents two options. lev leave the country with your kids or lever without them. we have the story of a 24-year-old mother who crossed the border legally but has been separated from her two young sons for nearly two months. >> they had me i had to turn in the things i brought over for my kids. they told me to tell my kids they will be in place with other kid where there are toys so tha don't cry when we take them from you. then they said you only have ten minutes to say good-bye to them. my older boy was listening to
everything. he understood. he started crying. he oucouldn't stop and neither could i. when i saw my boy crying i didn't know what to tell him. my younger kid was looking at us crying. he started crying too. then the official told me don't cry. give them strength. the only thing i told my kids was i love you. i love you and that i know they would be with me. i didn't know when but they would be with me eventually. >> what has happened now?
why haven't you gotten your children back? >> we don't know anything. we don't know if they're going to turn them over to us later. they don't say anything. they just say we have to fill out paper work. i don't know how long it's going to take. >> that story is so powerful. made only more powerful by the fact it should be repeated 2,000 times. the white house administration still not telling us how how many families are still separated. how many parents separated from their children. this circumstance was unique. she's not an instance of the zero tolerance policy because this young woman entered at a point of entry seeking asylum.
why is she being subjected to the same penalties as those who enter the country illegally? >> reporter: i'm bewildered by this case, peter. re-watching this interview is so tough. any parent, like yourself, can really feel for her because she did things the right way. this is the messaging coming from the administration. turn yourselves in at a port of entry and she was still separated from these two boys a ages 7 and 2. in her case, she's told us she doesn't have a criminal record. this was her first time coming to the united states. it is hard to understand why the children were even taken. we've reached out to i.c.e. for comment. we haven't heard back yet. when i asked do you know where they are, she said i was told they are in a lutheran shelter in new york city. she doesn't have an address. she's only been able to speak to the 2-year-old twice in almost two months.
>> i was going to ask how often she gets to speak. i paused when i heard you in that interview. she had ten minutes to say good-bye to her two children. as a dad of two young daughters you can only imagine what that experience is like. what's the process of the hope they will reunite? what does that look like? when does that come? the administration not offering any clear answers of how these families will be put back together. >> exactly. in her case she was placed in the detention facility. she had to pay $10,000 bond which is a small fortune for anyone, let alone someone who left their home country and came here with no belongings. she paid that money and now she tells me she's in washington, d.c. staying with her uncle who is a u.s. citizen. it's been hard even for the uncle who is an american citizen to claim these boys. in their case they have been told they have to submit dna
samples, finger prints of every one living many the household, pay stub, birth certificates. you don't want to place the children in the care of someone who isn't a proven relative but at the same time if this is the mother and she's been leased and living in a home with relatives of the boys, it's hard to believe why they are not being released to her. now as you mentioned the trump administration has a deadline to get the facts equiconnected, at least on the phone, in ten days time. to reunite the 2-year-old in 15 days. it's hard to say that will happen. >> your reporting has been outstanding since the start. thank you for sharing the stories on these families. for more on that, we want to bring in our panel.
it's nice to see you. the president not winning a lot of political points as it relates to this issue on immigration. here is some new numbers. a majority of americans disapprove of his handling of immigration. 58% of voters disapprove. 39% approve. he's digging in. i traveled with him last week to north carolina and wisconsin which was supposed to been economic event. immigration is still his strategy. he thinks this is a winning strategy for him. >> the law and order candidate who thinks that's why he won, on his build a wall. >> it's how he launched his campaign. >> he believes he's right on this issue and is this a winning issue for republicans come november. every time we hear heartbreaking
stories like the one we heard, he counters with things that democrats are being radical. they want to abolish immigration services all together and that order needs to be restored. and that's why he was elected. >> this is nuance. there's another element from this poll that said 60% believe democrats in congress are more interested in exploiting the nation's immigration issue for political gain while 34% say they are interested in resolving the immigration issue. this is channelchallenging mome the democrats as well. this is a divisive issue and for democrats too. >> it is. that's why the president is seizing on that opportunity to say the democrats are going way out of bound. . they are pushing for the abolition of immigration and customs enforcement. we heard him talk about this
yesterday at west virginia. he spent much of his speech defending immigration customs and enforcement. defending i.c.e. agents opini. talking about groups like ms-13 and these criticminals who are y different from the people coming seeking port offenses of asylum. they have turned to the claims that some democrats are making that we need to re-think our immigration system and replace i.c.e. with some alternative. >> matt, you and i have witnessed this. the white house has been all over the map on this issue. it's certain they recognize the separation of families issue doesn't serve them well. it's been bumbled in the start to try to communicate wa thehatr policy is. does this become a campaign issue? >> i think it does.
interviews like the one we just saw. pictures of children in these detention centers. those are really poignant and will remain an issue no matter what executive order. >> the white house has contradicted itself multiple times. >> correct. dhs and the department of justice don't know how to respond to this court order. they're not telling people how many kids have been reunite and there doesn't seem tom be a process in place to reunite families or put people before a junl w judge who are seeking asylum. it seems like the white house doesn't have direction to give to their own agencies. >> you guys stay with us. we'll talk to you later about what described as the gift that keeps on giving or taking. that's scott pruitt. president trump prepping to
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back live on this fourth of july. president trump will tell nato leaders the u.s. cannot be the world's piggy bank. the president sent sharply worded letters to several nato allies demanding they pay their fair share for defense. joining me now is a former north korea analyst for the cia. i want to start with you on this topic of nato. we're looking ahead to this summit. we're fresh off the g7 where the president came in quickly, antagonized our allies including his host, the prime minister of canada before shaking hand with a north korea dictator. now he's off to meet the allies in europe. these nato allies. some of them overlapping before
he will shake hands with vladmir putin, russia's president. what is the risk of the president rhetoric when he attacks america's long time allies? >> peter, really we're at an inflection point right now on the western alliance. the key question is will we be pivoting more toward russia or towards europe. this coming week is consequential time. he has put out his support for russia and slvladmir putin. this week is a sign that the president looks to have a tough meeting with europe and a good meeting with putin. that will cause tremors across the alliance in terms of where they go following these meetings. >> in some of these laced letters, tough language that was used by the president calling on these other countries to contribute their fair share, as he says to the nato defense
budget. president obama did the same thing. it's really the tone that's different here. the president trying to crackdown in a different way. the president is saying he's considering adjusting our military presence in places like germany, for example. is that realistic? is that possible or is this just language from president trump? >> anything is possible. the commander in chief has tremendous latitude. the president with europe has had very akcrimonious relations. be it withdrawal from the iran nuclear deal. the president is asking for money from europe as previous presidents have but the context is to fraught and difficult that it's not the same language.
>> we know mike pompeo will go to pyongyang nap will be the third meeting with kim jong-un. the president appeared to move the goal post. is that fair assessment by president trump. intelligence agencies believer that north koreans are currently trying to deceive the u.s. and continue to make fuel for nuclear weapons? >> i don't think that's surprising at all. there was no deal with north korea yet despite president trump saying nuclear threat is now over. the it just produced aspirational statement about north korea committing or working towards denuclearization of the korean peninsula. there's no deal. now i guess president trump is trying to walk back from this high expectation he set for himself.
we need goat something out of north korea. we have already gave up or suspended exercises with north korea. what did we get? they continue to work on this nuclear program. >> beyond that right now, bolton n saying they want to see real action from the north koreans within a year toward that effort at denuclearization. is this crack down by the administration or is this just floating language out there and we should anticipate that nothing really changes? >> i think that's very curious that the national security advisor said this because he know this is is very unrealistic. he know this is very unrealistic. the first step is to give north korea to give us declaration of
their nuclear weapons program and facilities. this intelligence report came out saying they are working on these programs in covert facilities should help. pressure kim jong-un regime to gich give us declaration of their fa ti -- facilities. >> right now we're juggling two add v adversaries. the president said he will talk to him about election meddling again. the president has repeated putin's assessment that they didn't do anything wrong. >> first is he going to ask him to meddle. that's the first question a lot of people will be wondering. yesterday the senate intelligence committee came out with a report stating russia meddled on behalf of trump. there's clear evidence that's what took place. we don't know what the president will say behind closed doors. shee he seems to be throwing a lot of
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here's a look moments ago at the white house. there's the president of the united states. white hat, golf shirt, slacks. no idea where he's going but we have some good guesses. now we want to take you back overseas to the that frantic rescue. it's taking place right now in thailand. new efforts, new video this morning of the 12 boys and their soccer coach who have been trapped in an underground flooded cave for 11 days now. the rescue teams have reached these boys. they have delivered some more food, medical supplies. officials still scrambling to find a way to get them out safely. we want to take you back there. walk us through how the rescue teams are planning to get the boys out.
how soon? how far out is that bad weather. >> reporter: now there's this new pressure of the monsoon rains. they want to get them to safety but crucially when to do it. sending messages to their families. i'm in good health she has. near a navy diver treats small cuts on this boy's feet. it's a race against time in this dangerous terrain with the urgency of a new threat looming. monsoon rains threaten to hit in
the coming days. it may fully flood it. forcing rescuers to leave the evacuation attempt in days. we need to be 100% confident said the providence governor. the boys are healthy. divers are bringing them food. they don't know how to swim yet alone navigate the three times to the tunnels entrance. they have been practicing wearing diving masks and breathing. more rain and currents could cut off access for divers who are bringing them critical supplies of food, medicine and hope. >> once the cave floods seriously again with the amount of water going through in the current and the visibility in the water it may be that diving operations will become impossible like last week. >> reporter: pumps have been going around the clock trying to
get the flood water out. more rain could erase any progress to this point. more than 1,000 people are involved now and their motivated by the urgency but tired. >> what's the biggest risk right now? >> i would say the biggest risk is looking at the environmental conditions. working here 24/7. the motivation is high but you have to consider that when it comes to execution. >> reporter: crews are also surveying where they might drill new entries to the cave, to drop ropes to pull the boys out. telecom crews are trying to install an internet line inside the cave so the boys can connect with their families who are watching and anxiously waiting for the boys the come home. once the monsoon rains arrive, it could make a rescue attempt impossible until the rainy season is over which means september and possibly longer.
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house. a white house spokesperson saying the president is concerned about this batch of headlines but so far no announcements made. pruitt the department of justice instead while prut wit says this report is simply false. general sessions and i are friends. i think he means attorney general. that was interesting. i have always said i want nothing more than to see him succeed in this role. that statement was sent to me last night, but as i reread it i'm struck by that. we're bang on set francesca chambers, and gabby, white house correspondent for "the washington examiner." i want to start with you. you have new reporting in term the of the president's thinking about this. he praised his epa add minute stater a matter of days ago. >> yesterday i spoke from a source who had come from the white house and chatted with a
bunch of aides. he's tru he's frustrated with the meetings that have taken place to discuss his behavior and some of the ethical questions that are now being raised, and there hasn't been any adjustmental made or any problem solved. pruitt continues to behavior this way. we continue to see the sfloodfl stories. >> they've said before we find him troublesome. we're concerned. isn't this just pr to say they're soured by it but at the end of the day they love what he's doing in terms of erasing regulations? >> i think the difference is now as we just saw you are have epa aids speaking out. you're now hearing people on the
record complaining about the way that pruitt behaved about his leadership style and expenditures, lavish things he had aids do poll show most american the don't know who he is and haven't heard about the headlines. is that what the white house has been banking on? is. >> like you said, he likes pruitt's job performance and what he is doing over at epa. i think there assess a recognition getting another one through the senate would be tough. but you can can forgive the public for not being able to keep up with the news cycle. but i do think the more dominant it is in the news, the more he's in danger. remember when tom price was ultimately fired, he was
dominating headlines, you're on tv, we know the president is tuning in, that's when you're really in danger. >> i was reporting this out for nightly news and i was struck by the fact there are at least 15, 15 separate ethics investigations he's facing. francesca, we heard from this whistle blower a second ago. he also addressed this washington post report we were talking about in the -- where pruitt asked assistants to put hotel reservations on their personal credit cards. >> where the chief of staff ryan jackson had to give one of the younger staffers literally pulled six $100 bills in his wallet and gave it to this young lady. >> wait. what? because she had charged something from the administrator and not gotten reimbursed. >> hotel from the inauguration that his family stayed in is what it was. >> so just to repeat that. literally, this aide gave $600 to pay back this spechdsing that
was done for the benefit of skoet pruitt's family, a hotel they used during the transition. he has called the stuff half truths, basically said this is just all fantasy, make believe, but it's tougher to make those assertions when it's his own aides speaking out. >> absolutely. white house i think is aware at this point of the absurdity of this not to ask sarah sanders about this but the used mattress he was looking for. even she had to start laughing. but like you were saying, the administration says that they're reviewing the accusations, but that review has been going on for quite some time now. kr critics have been very effective in releasing these one by one so that this continue the to stay into the headlines, and one does have to wonder at what point president trump will say okay, this is getting very distracting, enough is enough. when you have polls like you're
saying, there's really no specific incentive for him. i think the reality is he's trying to get a new supreme court justice on the bench. you have to rely on the senate to do that. he wants to do that before october. how else are you going to get a nomination for epa through. >> there are so many hoeadlines. some fall through the cracks. thanks for being here. thank you very much frmtsd coming up next, what suzsan collins just revealed. that's next on msnbc. build attendance for an event. help people find their way. fastsigns designed new directional signage. and got them back on track. get started at fastsigns.com.
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a with thank you for watching this hour of msnbc on this 4th of july. more news with my colleague in new york. looking forward to hear what senator collins has to say about the supreme court battle. >> we're talking to her right now. have a got afternoon. good afternoon to all of you. pressure's ramping up on washington this 4th of july holiday to the debate over who to nominate to replace justice anthony kennedy is intensifying. we're five days away from the announcement. "wall street journal" reports the president is balancing three qualities. political attractiveness, legal record, and personal chemistry. now, most of the conversations so far has been largely focussed on the executive and judicial branchs but now congress's role is coming in focus. two republican senators on the left of the screen, susan
collins of maine and lisa murkowski of alaska are being pressured to help stop the pick. current culture wars in america could have an im market on the fight over the makeup of the court as "the washington post" plays out, for those who fear the prospect of a senate president and supreme court greatly at odds with popular opinion it seems not solutions. one is the mobilization of women we have seen. washington post writes, the ensuing fire storm over abortion might well the spark setting off a serious political realignment. if that happens, women are likely to lead it. with us now to discover that -- discuss this is the author of that piece, jennifer ruben. an msnbc contributor and conservative opinion writer for the washington post's right turn blog. also joining the discussion is dorothy roberts, professor of law and sociology at the