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do get filled by justices almost by osmosis or simply by the process of how these things work, and roberts is the obvious person to be that person. i think in the barrett case, you have an interesting dynamic for trump. barrett is clearly going to be the most -- would be the most controversial of the nominees. and might like it. because that would stimulate the right, get people out to vote if she comes under really grievous attack in the fall. >> all right. ruth marcus, steve kornacki, leigh gallagher, thank you. such a great panel. we have to have you on tomorrow. which means i'm going to ask you to stay. chris jansing picks up the coverage. >> thanks so much, joe and mika. i'm chris jansing in for stephanie ruhle this time. unfriend. scrubs mentions of the president from his twitter account just days after publicly distancing himself from trump in a rare interview.
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a toxic link. two british nationals are in critical condition right now after being exposed to a dangerous poison. >> following the detailed analysis of those samples, we can confirm that the man and woman have been exposed to the nerve agent. >> so how did a nerve agent used against a former russian double agent and his daughter sicken two seemingly innocent people nearly four months later and eight miles away? >> and swinging left. an exclusive look inside one group's mission to flip the house of representatives one district at a time. >> you either lie down or you say i'm going to stand up, i'm going to join with you. >> it takes a village to flip a house. >> but we begin today with the news about michael cohen. the man we know as president trump's longtime fixer who spent at least part of his fourth of july scrubbing references to the president from his twitter bio. and on linked in, he makes it clear he's no longer the president's attorney or an employee of the trump
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organization. the obvious question that raises is, is michael cohen moving closer to flipping on his former boss? ken dilanian is intelligence and national security reporter for nbc news. what do we know about this, ken? >> good morning, chris. as you know, michael cohen, his identity over last ten years has been wrapped up in the notion he was the perm attorney for donald trump. that's over now and he essentially memorialized that by changing his twitter page yesterday on the fourth of july, changing his twitter biography to remove that reference to him being the personal attorney to donald trump. he also changed his linked in page to make note of the fact he left that status as trump's attorney this june. this comes a few days after a remarkable interview he gave, essentially saying his loyalty now is to his family and his country, not to donald trump. this is a huge change. this is a guy who's been a pit bull for trump for years. and once said he would take a bullet for donald trump.
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now he's under federal investigation by the u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york. he recently changed lawyers. all of this points to the notion that cohen may be moving towards flipping. this is coming on a day when he's facing ago deadline, his lawyers are, to finish their review of the documents that the fed seized from his home and office to figure out which portion of those they want to claim attorney/client privilege. so far, it's been a very small percentage of those documents. all of this adds up to probably bad news for donald trump. because no matter what is in those documents, it can't be a good day when your former fixer is considering making a deal with the feds against you. >> let me bring in former federal prosecutor glen ke kerrshner. and my panel. okay, let me start with you because we've seen this change for cohen's social media and his declaration of loyalty to his family and country above all else.
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how do you read what's going on? >> good morning, chris. it's yet another step on the road to cooperation for michael cohen. unmistakably, i would suggest. it probably shouldn't be lost that michael cohen sort of scrubbed donald trump from all of his social media accounts on the fourth of july, declaring independence from donald trump perhaps. but, you know, this is yet another indication that michael cohen and his lawyers are fully aware that when they do the math, a presidential pardon could get michael cohen out of trouble federally, but it can't get him out of trouble locally. when i say locally, i'm talking about the new york state authorities. we have to wait for all the evidence to come in. is there anybody who believes that michael cohen sort of pristinely above board ran the taxicab medicallions he sort of coveted over the many years? again, we don't know it for a
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fact, but when you look at the consequences for michael cohen of waiting for a pardon on the one hand, that will only get him out of federal trouble, not state trouble, or cooperating with a mueller investigation on the other hand? and of course the mueller investigative team can deal both with his federal criminal exposure, assuming he has some, and his new york state criminal exposure. again, assuming he has some. because mueller could work cooperatively with the new york state authorities to enter into a global plea and cooperation agreement with michael cohen, which would cover all of his potentially criminal matters. >> so knowing all of this, knowing the potential liability, that there could be for michael cohen, is it then reasonable, typical, for somebody in that position to start distancing themselves from the target of an investigation before they decide to make a deal? >> exactly, chris, it is. you know, in the sort of presocial media days, a defense attorney for somebody like michael cohen, an aspiring
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cooperating witness would instruct his or her client, look, have no contact, no conversations, no phone calls, with the people against whom you might be able to provide information. i suggest that the modern day scrubbing of donald trump from michael cohen's social media accounts is, again, just the modern day version of that time tested defense advice. have no contact moving forward with the people against whom you may cooperate. >> there is something about the visual, isn't there, that it's the fourth of july and he envisioned himself at his desk sitting there while everybody's out having barbecues and he's scrubbing his social media. >> independence day. >> add to all this, you've got him hiring this new lawyer. to represent him in the ongoing criminal case in the southern district. he's somebody who has experience in the southern district. his website says he handles
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cases like money laundering and fraud. what do you think? >> i agree. i think there's some flipping that's going to go on pretty soon. i also think that this issue of the pardon actually kind of resonates in my head. which means i don't think everything michael cohen can give up he actually will because i think he still has that sort of pit bull mentality in him. but, listen, i think getting somebody like this lawyer is a great move because you want to be able to navigate these waters, create these relationships, have these relationships in new york to see if you can get some kind of global deal because we're actually in the middle of an ag race right now, so the question is, is this the right time to sort of try to cut a deal while we're in this -- in the middle of this race? i agree with this particular fact that the -- i think the part season coming and that's going to be in their mind. >> i think there's also this idea that you have these people around the president who at
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least publicly, susan there are folks who will say i don't think he'll flip, you know, he's just not the guy who will flip, in spite of all this evidence to the contrary. rudy giuliani said also cohen's an honest lawyer. other people have said this is a good guy. >> but that could change -- this administration -- >> right what are you really thinking if you are on the inside at 1600 pennsylvania or you're part of the president's legal team? >> there's just two things i'd like to add to glen's statement. don't forget michael's cohen's partner in the taxi medallion business already cut a deal with the southern district. it's clear, it seems pretty clear there will be charges at the state level that could be penned against him because that was a state proceeding. michael cohen has said he will not be the villain in this story. it's going to be a very interesting time for those at 1600 pennsylvania avenue trying to figure out how far can they go. because to the point, how much
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does michael cohen have? there's a lot of talk that he knows everything, but what can he prove? and what kind of witness will that make him at the end of the day? we talk a lot of deal making. it's going to be difficult i think for -- unless he really has the goods, whether it's those tape recordings or paper trails, to really put him in a position where he's in strength going into negotiations. >> forfixer, why do you have 1 million documents laying around critical to your clients? that's putting them in a tremendous amount of jeopardy. >> what do you do if you're on his team now? what's the conversation like? obviously, they know what he has and doesn't have. what are you thinking in terms of his credibility as a witness? >> cohen's credibility as a witness will probably start low and the mueller investigative team will have to build it up. i agree with most of what basil and susan said. michael cohen is a pit ball.
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he may not give up all the information he has. one, bob mueller is a pit bull. there is nobody more determined. having worked with him and for him. there's nobody more determined to get at the truth. and to get at the truth. whether it helps somebody, whether it hurts somebody. the other thing, it is a prosecutor's job once a cooperator comes forward to cooperate until the cows come home. every single assertion. and the last thing we -- we as prosecutors want to do is take a lie into court. so i always made it clear when i met with aspiring cooperating witnesses that, listen you have so much more to lose than to gain, if you conceal even a single fact from me. because it's lose-lose. it's lose for you and it's lose for the government's case. bob mueller and his team are up to the task of bringing every
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drop of truthful information out of michael cohen. >> we don't know what they know from other sources and what they can talk to him about so, glen, thank you so much. basil and susan are going to stay with me. meantime, we've got this new reporting this morning. it indicates the president was willing to go to war last summer to solve a foreign policy challenge but not in russia. in venezuela. according to the associated press, the president repeatedly brought up the idea of invading venezuela as a way to get rid of its president and provide some stability to that troubled country. the report says when president trump first brought up the idea in august, top officials seemed to talk him out of it, but then the president revisited it publicly the next day. listen. >> venezuela is a mess. it's very dangerous mess. a very sad situation. the people are suffering. and they're dying. we have many options for venezuela, including a possible military option if necessary. >> i want to bring in joshua
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goodman, he wrote the article for "the associated press" and is news director at the ap for all of the andes. administration officials say this is just another case of the president thinking out loud, but he brought it up several times. does that indicate there was more to this than just the random thought from his head that came out in his mouth? >> i'm no expert on what's inside the president's head but it's certainly clear from our reporting he was fixated on this idea around august and september of raft year. he brought it up to his aides at the oval ofls. then he raised it on two occasions with the president of columbia and other latin american leaders. so this was at a very tense time in the relationship between the two countries and, you know, it was something he wanted an answer about. there's no indication, however, that he orders up military plans or that any of his aides were on board for the idea of an invasion, but he clearly was pressing and probing his aides to answer the question.
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as our story shows, he even raised the example of past military interventions in latin america during the cold war for what he consider add successful military operation in the region. >> it's worth noting in your reporting you wrote two of the men who talked the president out of this idea were mcmaster and tillerson. obviously both of those guys are gone. so the question is, is there other ideas like this that come to him where are the moderating voices? will they be able to talk him out of it? >> the story is very much in some ways a snapshot of the past. this is august and september of last year, all these conversations about a possible military invasion. none of the advisers are part of the inner circle today. i think importantly tensions between venezuela and the u.s. have actually eased quite a bit in many ways since then. especially since president maduro's election. neither of the two sides want to
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escalate tensions any further. obviously it's not a great relationship. but i think there's an accommodation taking place right now. i don't want to give the suggestion this is currently on the president's head. >> you could make the argument obviously there are other people who are dictators who could potentially be in the crosshairs. cuba, nicaragua. have your thoughts on that one. how do we even square the policy of america first with the possibility of invading another country to depose its leader? look at that on a philosophical level. >> i think that's why the aides and the latin american leaders who he talked to were sort of alarmed. it express add degree of ignorance about the sensitivities in latin america, given the long history of u.s. military v
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military interventions during the cold war. i think in trump and venezuela specifically, the president has been successful in building a coalition who are not fans of his at all but are really behind the u.s. in pressuring maduro. i think what was surprising to the aides is in making comments like this and also in sort of insisting on it in private, he was risking alienating some of those countries like colombia, panama, mexico who were otherwise willing to go much further than they have in the past in criticizing venezuela and maduro. >> joshua goodman, thank you. appreciate your reporting. up next, secretary of state mike pompeo on his way to north korea to meet with kim jong-un for a third time. will the north koreans agree to anything concrete or just keep playing word games? first, any minute now, the protester who scaleled the statue of liberty yesterday will appear in court. the woman climbed on to the statue yesterday. she forced the national park
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there's at big story today. secretary of state mike pompeo headed to north korea for a third time as he tries to build on last month's historic meeting between president trump and kim jong-un. remember when the president got back from that meeting three
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weeks ago? he tweeted, quote, there is no longer a nuclear threat from north korea. but reports since then indicate the threat is still there and may actually be getting worse. now, just days ago, u.s. officials told nbc and "the washington post" that the north has increased the production of nuclear weapons fuel at secret sites and researchers told "the wall street journal" that satellite imagery shows that kim's government is actually expanding a missile manufacturing plant. well, the white house hasn't commented on any of this. the reports certainly put new pressure on secretary pompeo to prove that talks are still on track. the state department has said little about what pompeo actually hopes to accomplish and now there are indications that the goal of these negotiations could actually be changing. let me remind you what pompeo said before talks between the president and kim jong-un just last month. >> united states has been clear time and time again. the complete verifiable and
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irreversible denuclearization of the korean peninsula is the only outcome that we will find acceptable. >> but in the latest press release from the state department, the goal is defined twice as, quote, the final fully verified denuclearization of the dkrp. that may not sound like a big difference, but remember that anyone from sarah sanders to john bolton repeatedly used the demand for complete denuclearization to define what the administration was looking for. so why the change? well, according to reuters, it was south korea that got the u.s. to change the wording. and that was because it was basically a nonstarter with the north koreans. quote two u.s. officials said the trump administration had stepped back from its demands in south korea's advice. one official said that the north koreans had largely refused in talks with the u.s. envoy, song kim, to respond to attempts to
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define the eventually agreements including the words, complete, verifiable and irreversible. i want to bring in nbc's kelly o'donnell live at the white house. kelly, how's the administration framing expectations? >> this is considered an important, ongoing part of the conversation that pompeo himself began with kim jong-un in the north korean government. this is a reality check moment to see post summit with all the attention and the declarations the president has made that the u.s. is safer now. where is north korea at this point? we've recently seen the national security adviser john bolton saying he has an expectation that north korea will dismantle all of its weapons systems within a year period. state department saying there is no specific tile lime line bein given. for pompeo, the mission is significant, again, building on the relationship and trying to get an assessment of where is north korea in terms of its truthful action. there has been a long history of deception on the part of north korea.
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pompeo himself had often said he was well versed in that as the former cia director. in terms of the difference between the language that you outline, words and diplomacy mean a great deal. so that difference is notable and worth us pursuing further. the white house is not backing away from the use of complete. and yet the state department did put those words in its official release. for pompeo, this is a multination trip beginning with north korea. he will also be with the president at nato. that will be critical for him to bring basically the outcome of this. also meeting with the japanese to try to see where is the state of these intense relations that have improved at least on the surface, but based on all of the reporting, if north korea is still engaged in furthering its program, that will be a serious problem for the trump administration and pompeo directly who has a greet deal of his own capital invested in this process with north korea.
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so consider it a checking in on you kind of visit but one with such grave consequences and one where the u.s. is trying to get a better sense of how they can assess the denuclearization of north korea if they are moving forward on that, if he will allow the necessary inspections. one of the criticisms of the meeting between the president and kim jong-un is the document that they signed. certainly set goals but did not put in writing mechanisms for all of this to be vetted over time. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you for that update. up next, two british citizens poisoned by a military grave nerve agent. the same one used to poison a russian double agent nearly four months ago. here's a question, was it a deliberate attack or just clean-up?
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this is what was used to poison a russian double agent and his daughter in march and it happened just eight miles from this latest incident. the british government blamed russia for that attack even though russia has denied any involvement. let's go live to the uk and nbc's kelly cobiella. what more are officials saying about this? >> just in the past hour or so, government officials said the same strand of novichok was used in the poisoning of these latest victims. and the former russia agent and his daughter seemingly linking for the first time these two cases. here's what we know about these latest victims. two british citizens in their 40s. they were in a town called amesbury. on saturday, they both fell ill. first a woman named dawn sturjess. about 10:00 in the morning, she
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collapsed in her house, started having seizures. an ambulance was called. several hours later, her partner, charlie rowley, became very sick. his friend described him as being in a zombie-like state, sweating profusely. he was then brought into the hospital. at first medical professionals thought that perhaps they had taken some contaminated drugs. rowley was known to be a heroin user. and then last night police making this jaw dropping announcement confirming that they both had tested positive for exposure to novichok. it is the nerve agent that was implicated in the poisoning of the former russian agent. it started back in march. police and specialists thought they had decontaminated all of the areas where they suspected this nerve agent might be in salisbury. it took them four months to do
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that. now the police is these two victims were exposed in a new area. so there was a trace of this nerve agent somewhere new in this city. there's now an urgent search to find out where. about five locations have been roped off in this search today, chris. and finally just as a final note, the russians are now speaking out about this. the foreign ministry spokesperson accusing the uk of playing games with a chemical agent. as you mention, chris, they've denied all along they've had anything to do with this. >> a couple of questions here. an obvious one, the attack took place in march. any idea how long this nerve agent lingers? and if it does, is there any kind of thought within the investigative community there about if it's part of the same attack, how it got transferred so far away? >> yes, well, there are a couple of theories. first to the survivability of
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this agent. the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons said this particular chemical used on the schiphols back in march was a very high purity and also persistent. meaning it doesn't just evaporate like a sarin gas in a matter of hours or days. other chemical weapons experts we've spoken to say it can remain viable for months potentially. and only a couple of drops can be deadly. now, as to how these two may have been contaminated, lots of theories floating around. nothing officially from police. but one thought is that they were exposed somewhere in the town of salisbury when they were there the day or maybe in the hours before they fell ill, then went home, and that's where the symptoms kicked in. there are a couple of locations in salisbury where police are searching today. >> and i'm sure a lot of nervous people if, indeed, that's what's happening, is there's some
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time for money, power and politics. it's president trump versus big business. his tariff fight seems to be fuelling an all-out war with some big corporate allies including executives at gm and harley davidson. a cording to politico, corporate titans and market analysts fear trump is on the cusp of damaging the american economy, and he will not recognize the failure of his approach until it's too late. the chamber of commerce, the longtime backer of republican policy, denouncing the tariffs. ben white is host of politico's money podcast. when have we ever seen this, ben, when a president, a republican president, basically declaring war on some major u.s. companies? >> you have to go back a long way. i talked to historians for that article, republican presidencies. they couldn't come up with examples where you have groups
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like the chamber of commerce, business roundtable, gm, harley davidson, all saying look, we don't want these tariffs, particularly automotive industry. trump's talking about tariffs on all imported cars. nobody in the automotive industry in the united states wants that. because the supply chains are completely global now. they get parts from abroad, assemble the cars here, sell them abroad. so you get farmers who are worried about soybean exports to china. there's just not a lot inside corporate america who want to see this. >> or inside his base. you've got a situation where you have 40 countries according to reuters at least who are objecting to these tariffs. i mean, people who vow, who he vowed he was going to help on the campaign trail, what happens? >> well, he's counting on that base to be with him even if they see some short-term dislocations in their industries, that ultimately they'll believe he's fighting for them and more manufacturing in the u.s. we'll see if that actually plays
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out. we're about to see these tariffs go into effect. >> a mail company. >> you see them shutting down. >> harley davidson. a solar company laying off 40%. >> this is where the rubber hits the road, where these things happen. friday, we get $34 billion on china go into effect. china expected to retaliate. that's when you start to see a real impact of farmers in the u.s. unable to access the chinese market. these are people who voted for trump who are going to be impacted and hurt by this. it's not just rhetoric but real economic reality. he could start to lose some of his base on this. >> even at that point, as we said, you know, if they're right, and he were going to see this, is it something that can just be then turned around? he says oh, well, maybe this wasn't such a good idea. >> yes, that is -- you read that quote about people fearing that it will be too late once he realizes he's wrong because -- >> what's too late? >> too late is if you got $400
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billion worth of tit-for-tat tariffs on china and you've got, you know, farmers in the united states who have crops who are already ready to go and then can't sell into china. that has an economic impact. and then watch the markets. particularly tomorrow. when these things go into effect. see how china responds. if there's a big reaction in the market, it may be hard to walk that back. it's not really too late until we have lost nafta. if nafta collapses, then you've really broken up supply chains in north america. that's economic impact that cannot be reverse. still possible to see market reaction. anger among manufacturers and farmers. and say okay, let me back off this wasn't such a great idea. or in his mind everybody capitulates to him. european union says we don't want to do this and they capitulate. i don't see that happening but it's not completely implausible. >> it's a terrific article. ben white, good to see you. thanks for coming in. coming up, we're 123 days from the midterm elections but who's counting. and there is a major push to
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in congressional districts around the country this week, candidates are gearing up and getting out on parades particular yesterday, increasingly we're seeing more women, more candidates outside the traditional party structure and many of them getting a boost from democratic groups that grew out of the trump election. one started by a freelance writer who was in his usual coffee shop thinking there has to be a way to channel all this upset about the election of donald answer, a unique grassroots campaign called swing left, and it's having a real impact. >> reporter: >> a broad way
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theater packed with celebrities. the unlikely star is a freelance write effort turned political power player. after donald trump won, he felt just like these folks did. >> i was feeling, you know, despondent, depressed. >> reporter: like the new yorkers at this party, he lives in a deep blue congressional district in western massachusetts. >> i was looking for a place where i could make a difference. i found it just across the border. >> reporter: he found out 75% of americans have a congressional swing district within 50 miles. and believed that if he could convince those blue district democrats to help out in their nearest winnable district, the house of representatives could swing left. he came up with swing left.org for people like chris goldberg. >> enter your zip code here. so i'm in west hollywood. very blue district. maybe one of the bluest. and the search. and it says what my closest swing district is, which is
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california 25. >> that's your understanding right now? >> yes, where i've been the last year or so, coming up here almost every weekend. >> reporter: he's not alone. the website launched the day after the inauguration. by the end of the next weekend, 200,000 people had signed up. today, it's pushing 400,000. volunteers like steve and melinda. >> my husband said, let's have a party. he put out the invitation. we got a lot of people really quickly. then we got over 100. rented the church hall. >> reporter: you got over 100 people? >> we got almost 200 people. >> reporter: people just waiting for a way to channel their frustration into action. >> how many of you guys are from outside of this district? wow. keep 'em up, keep 'em up. that's amazing. >> reporter: so in california district 25, in the shadow of the reagan library, 200 people went canvassing last sunday. were you nervous about knocking on doors the first time? >> yes, i was very nervous.
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>> reporter: now they tell me it's cathartic, even addicting. >> i cannot go away. every time i go out and meet another democrat and they say thank you so much for coming, i can't wait to vote. >> reporter: add to that swing left manpower, money. they set up innovative district funds. you donate to a district, not a person. and the eventual primary winner gets the cash. in cal 25, that's katie hill. >> it's my great pleasure to hand over this check from the grassroots. >> thank you so much. >> reporter: you beat a slew of other people on election night. how much money did you have left? >> we had almost nothing left. we spent pretty much down to zero. >> reporter: the group game over $160,000. with more coming in every day. swing left is now in 78 congressional districts in 29 states. whole families are turning out like the bartletts. why swing left? >> it takes a village to flip a house. so -- >> reporter: did you make that up, it takes a village to flip a
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house? >> i guess i just did. >> reporter: that's pretty good. back on broadway, ethan is winning over more converts. can mandy pitaken who's famous knock on doors? >> absolutely, that's what we do. we are absolutely going to do that. >> reporter: and the party's host, producer jordan, fresh off winning a tony, has his eye on a different prize now, control of the house. >> you either lay down or you say i'm going to stand up, i'm going to join with you, i'm going to join with you, and i'm going to make this change. >> joining me now, msnbc political analyst and republican strategist susan dell persio. democratic strategist basil smooikle. they're saying you don't necessarily have to come up through the system. you don't have to depend on the democratic party for its organization or even for its money. meaning they're not beholden to the party, beholden to the donors. if the democrats indeed swing left in the house, is it going
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to be in spite of or because of the democratic party? >> a little of both. first of all, i love the story, by the way. and i think -- but i think you're absolutely right. i think in many right. in many cases you'll see it being down -- >> alexandria ocasio cortez is absolutely the hottest ticket in the democratic party. >> and they want radical change trying to talk about policy restraints will not inspiring voters. i think you'll see people getting elected in spied of the confines of the party. >> one of the ways you see that, this group, which did not exist until really after the inauguration, in any real way, has raised $4 million, giving it
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to a lot of people like katy hill. she came up outside of the system. she's somebody who is challenging an established names, there's a two-term incumbent she'll go up against, but initially there's like a dozen democrats. she eventually went up against three of them. if you're still playing by the old party rules. if you're the democrats, or the republicans for that matter, you knee to start figuring out what's going on. >> this story is incredible and this organization is done something i, as a republican, would be very afraid of the they're use a single message, flip of house, swing left. so focused anyone can go into the district closest to them. it's organized. and they're doing more than money. they're bringing bodies, which mean they can canvass potential
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voters who they may not normally i.d. as people to go out. >> we were there all weekend log in california, and what has surprised folks is people in california 25 are so used to it being republican, don't realize that not just hillary clinton won there, but the registration slightly favor the democrats, so they're going to a democratic court, basel, and their hearing i was afraid to talk about it. >> and the majority of seats we need to flip are seats where hillary won, but represented by reps. it's important that we. a, knock on doors we did not knock on before, and we actually have conversations. that came out of the 2016, we weren't talking to or. >> what howard dean did in 2004
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is -- this is just leaps and bounds above it, but i think it will be so just tremendously impactful. this, like i said, republicans should be very afraid of. >> one of the things that has motivated the supreme court. peter alexander has just reported he talked to a source familiar with the selection process going on right now with the president. he tells nbc news the three morse certificates contenders are bret cavanaugh, raymond c h cathledge and amy -- >> it's going to be who the president feels is most on his side. not who he's most comfortable with, but who he thinking will be more with him verse doing their actual duty to the court. >> i know we've been talking a lot about the impact on roe versus wade, but there are so
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many other issues. >> was in southern california, in west hollywood, lbgq, and what can folks on that side do? >> the problem is it will be heart to take away a nominee from the president. generally they get. >> angry democrats will say the republicans did it to barack obama. >> and hopefully maybe we can flip a couple senators on roe versus wade, but we can have an impact on the lower courts. >> you thought he might go outside the box? >> it seems like he would stick with the list, but it's still
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that wraps up this hour. i'm chris jansing in for
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stephanie ruhle. coming up more news with peter alexander. nice to see you. thank you. good morning to you from here in washington. i am peter alexander in for my friend hallie jackson, enjoying an extended holiday break. there are three, president trump narrowing his supreme court list. a source familiar with the process, telling me in the last few minute, the list has been narrowed to three. michael cohen using the fourth to celebrate his independence from president trump, removing his affiliation with the president on twitter. and a new document signaling that the one-time fixer play be ready to flip. this is a story you can't turn around from. the soccer team still trapped, new fears of flooding in that cave, a team of americans on the ground and in the air trying to
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help. plus a new international mystery coming in, a couple in the united king donnell exposed to a toxic nerve agent while british authorities are pointing the figure at russia. our team of reports are set up. we start with hans nichols, at the white house right now. we have confirmed that it's fair to say the three most serious contenders in this race have been narrowed down by the president. >> reporter: peter, based on your reporting, these three represent three different options. so you have bret cavanaugh, he's sort of the establishment choice, highly credentials, bush administration official, yale undergrad and law school, and then amy coney barrett. she had a great of success in her senate confirmation. she's

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