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help. plus a new international mystery coming in, a couple in the united king donnell exposed to a toxic nerve agent while british authorities are pointing the figure at russia. our team of reports are set up. we start with hans nichols, at the white house right now. we have confirmed that it's fair to say the three most serious contenders in this race have been narrowed down by the president. >> reporter: peter, based on your reporting, these three represent three different options. so you have bret cavanaugh, he's sort of the establishment choice, highly credentials, bush administration official, yale undergrad and law school, and then amy coney barrett. she had a great of success in her senate confirmation. she's catholic, mother of seven
children. from her you get the sense the religious right is rallying around her, and raymond kethledge, from michigan, they represent different paths to the court. they're all serving in some capacity in federal district or appellate court right now. the decision that the president will have to make may come down to feel. at the same time there's a lot of back-and-forth here in washington. it seems believe cavanaugh does have in enemies, if not enemies, some adver searses, ted cruz and rand paul, so some conservative senators are trying to suggest that maybe bret cavanaugh isn't an conservative as some supporters may suggest. >> fair to say after the fireworks outside last night, the real pyrotechnics are about to heat up. hans, thank you.
with us matt miller, he is now an msnbc justice and security analyst. political reporter for axios, alex psi mccannen is here, along with sahil kapur. frankly last week, the same day we learned that anthony kennedy retired, someone close to the president said to me look for nur that is bret cavanaugh. enchts they all have conservative federalist kind of tradition. i have a feeling the president will make his decisions on their records. my guess will be largely how the meeting goes with him, what people think about him, and then
the question that democrats have had about how trump will make this selection. he's got a lot the things that will come before the court, not just roe v. wade, but things that matter to him personally. he might look at the officials and how would they look at loyalty to me. >> obviously right now reporters are trying to drill down on the three contenders. our friend robert costa has new reporting, joining us by phone. robert, i want reporting about some of the conversations the president had yesterday on the fourth of july. we saw him. we know he went to his golf course briefly, spoke to some divorce and lawmakers by phone, discussed this even as he was at the gathering at the white house surrounding the fourth of july. what more do you know? >> reporter: based on my reporting we have the president on july 4, talking to friends and associates, asking questions about judge cavanaugh, and wondering about hi ties to
george w. bush. he also asked about judge kethledge, aer kennedy clerk, asking more generally what do people know about him? he doesn't have a relationship with him, trying to get more information. give us a sense, robert, the president initially told us the announcement would be made monday, but in the oval office this week, he said he would make the decision in the next few days. do you have any indication that the president has made his mind up, or -- >> reporter: he certainly seems to have made his mind, shortening the short list. some believe he could tease something tonight at a rally. >> it's always interesting to
see when he goss off the script. like today in montana. obviously the democrats have been digging in on this. he's going to be going after john tester, who notely voted against kneneil gorsuch. are these the names -- >> ted cruz is reportedly not happy with bred cavanaugh, but the big difference is president will likely pick someone for their personality over their pedigr pedigree. white officials told mike he wants to pick someone he feels most comfortable with in a personal setting. >> so as to who is the easy confirmation process would go to home? is that clear? >> not quite clear. there's a theory that kethledge
would be among the easiest to confirm. there's been fewer rumblings about him from other senators. that may be because he hasn't been among the top two. you mentioned tester. he is not at endangered as many of his fellow state city democrats. he basically said this person refused to answer my questions on questions. that would be more poignant than ever before. it's going to be enormously consequential. hue hewitt describing him as gorsuch 2.0, saying he's in the
mold of antonin scalia. so matt, i want to talk about this political process. susan collins yesterday, interviewed by von hill-yaiard if feeling pressure to weigh in, saying they haven't even made a pick yet. are the democrats sort of pressing too far right now? or should this be a full-court press even before any -- >> it ought to be a full-court press, because look at the stakes. one of the things the conservative movement has done a good job at is the rallies cry, no more suitors. souters. they're all basically the same.
they almost seem certainly a vote to overturn roe versus wade, so there's no one you said who may be a down the middle vote, so of course people are rallying around it already. we heard from ben cardin, the democrat ecsenator from maryland. take a listen. >> the president is looking at a list prepared by extreme group that has an agenda that really wants to ratify the president's policies. i think what the american people need to be concerned about is we're talking about changing the balance on the supreme court that's going to affect their rights form the woman's right of choice, labor rights, worker rights, consumers rights. s the democrats, have they given up the sense they may push this back from mid terms. they say most persons say this should happen before the mid terms. >> and that undercuts the
democrats' entire strategy. instead they are doing this campaign, which we even see on twitter what's at stake, highlighting what is at stake for voters across the board on both sides of the aisle with reproductive rights. democrats were dealt a series of blows. they know that's the best strategy, instead of pushing to punt this vote, which they know is nearly impossible. >> democrats have pivoted from first talking about norms, procedure, that sort of thing, which voters kind of tune out, to the substance of this, which, you know, does excite people. this could be the first midterm election we've had, maybe ever, that is significantly about the supreme court. there's a lot of talk about abortion and same-sex marriage, affirmative action, there is things like campaign finance, lie gun rights, voting rights that will be cemented on the conservative side.
>> thank you, robert, on the phone. we appreciate it. now to some news regarding michael cohen, the deadline today, the new report pointing to a potentially flip on the old boss, the president. ken delaney is joining us today. today notably is the deadline for the trump organization to finish its review of cohen documents sized in the police searches, those raids. what do we know and what should we be watching for happening next year? >> this is part of an ongoing process. the cohen leaders decided what they thought was privileged. the trump organ vags gets a crack at it. what people should really understand about this is of the 4 million files seized, up to 4 million now. eight boxes of documents, audio files, only a very small number of those, maybe a few thousand at this point have been claimed
to have been privileged, so far only a few hundred have been ruled to have been privileged, so the vast majority of thinks documents are going to federal prosecutor. i think that's without precedence. the personal lawyer is until federal investigation, and the entire contents of his office essential are going to go to the prosecutors. who knows what those may include about his dealing with donald j. trump. >> matt, help us better understand why so much of the negotiation, it appears to be, is playing out in public right now. why does cohen need to do it publicly? >> he certainly doesn't need to. if you've known anyone caught up in a federal investigation, when they get to this point when they're going to break from the people they've been allied with,
there's a distancing, first there's a practical distancing, you can't communicate anymore, and them a psychological distancing, whered personal finally looks and says i'm in a lot of trouble, i'm going to have to turn on this person, look out for what's best for myself, and they start to step away from this person. i think there's a possibility that everything that cohen is doing is sending a signal to the president, look, i'm at the end of my rope here, i'm gone, there's one way you can reel me back in, and that's with a pardon. stick with us, if you can. coming up here live on msnbc, russia accused, investigators nor scrambling to piece together a puzzle after a deadly nerve agent poisons two more people in the uk. what we know about how they got sick and a new search for answers. this endangered species is getting help
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left a british man and woman hospitalized, said to be this critical condition. kell kelly, what are we hearing from authorities about what happened here? >> reporter: this morning they're focused on tracing the possibly small amounts of this deadly nerve agent these two new victims were exposed to, the public health risk pretty obvious, though health officials say the risk in general is low. the government if official say they were exposed to the same strand of novochuk that was used against the former russian agent and his daughter back in march. >> two people hospitalized after being exposed to a soviet-era nerve agent, the same deadly
poison used to target a russian double agent at a location miles away earlier this year. >> we can confirm the man and woman were exposed to the nerve agent, which has been identified as the same that contaminated both yulia and -- >> dawn stuart jess and charlie it rollie friend sam hobbitson says he called for help. when rolie began -- >> he started acting weird. >> causing him to sweat profusely with pinpoint pupils before he collapsed. police have cordoned off five locations they believe the pair visited, including a building in
salisbury, only a four-minute walk from where the agent ate before he collapsed in march. the use of chemical weapons suggesting a state operations with russia as the prime suspect, charges the kremlin still denies. this morning british counter-intelligence officials say there's no evidence that they were specifically targeted. they can't say how they were poisoned. the nerve agent can be used as a liquid or powder and spread a everyday objects, advising the public to clean items of clothing and cell phones and glass. >> all you want to know is are you safe is your family going to be safe? is there going to be a further escalation? >> once again this morning, russia is pushing back on
allegations that it is responsible for all this, accusing the uk of playing politics with chemical agent. peter? >> another good reminder that president trump will be meeting with vladimir putin in less than two weeks from now. kelly co basement are biella, on the ground in england for us. the threat of rain is ramping up the pressure to bring the boys and their coach out of that flooded thai cave. the new strategy to free them. after almost two weeks underground. back to the drawing board as mike pompeo travels to north korea for a third time. why he's under the gun to bring back some answers. (vo) we came here for the friends. and we got to know the friends of our friends. and we found others just like us.
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a look at this morning's headlines, massive wildfires breaking out in sever stays out west, forcing thousand toss flee the flames from california to colorado. where outside denver the most destructive fire this year burning more than 100 homes, charring 95 acres in its path. in new york city, therese
patricia okoumou, who said the statue of liberty, is due in court today. you may have watched the standoff play out live. police say the woman planned to stay until all the children have been released, as supporters and protesters are expected to gather outsided manhattan federal court. in houston, heavy rains have caused flooding with some areas hit with more than 7 inches. they've been forced to cancel the holiday festivities, even shut down some highways. here you can see a woman being pulled out of her car window to safety by a toll roadworker. now to thailand, the desperate teamed to free 12 young boys and their soccer coach. the "today" show talked to one
of the divers helping in that process. >> the timing is very important. once if the storm comes in and heavy rains started, then the cave can possibly flood, it would be really hard to get people to go in and resupply or try to get them out. >> live on the ground, the scene of this rescue, chief global correspondent bill nekneely. >> we've had new rescue operators, frantic efforts to free the boys who are about half a mile below me, trying very hard to be brave, desperate to
be free and not out of danger yesterday. new video shows them, well, in good spirits, actually. you can see navy divers with them, including one doctor who has tending to their cuts, keeping their spirits up, even teasing them about the global fan club they have and what they want to say to the people who are watching. but it is, as you say, a bit of a race against time. the weather is good right now. they are pumping million of gallons of water out of the this cave system every day. the water levels are receding, but monsoon rains are expected to restart in a day or two, and that is a danger, because the whole cave system could flood again. that would mean all the things they're doing, trying to pud telephone cables in, trying to get the boys enough nutrition to make them strong, all of thakoon in damager. so it is, pardon the cliche, but
it is a bit of a race against time. >> i heard you report this earlier, this idea that the boys heard at some point some dogs barking or some sounds that has given some sense, some hope there might be some crevices that would make it easier to drill down to? >> reporter: that's intrigued the rescuers. there are 30 teams up on the hills looking for those holes or shafts through which they could possibly winch the boys up. helicopters are also searching for the same things. the number one problem is the boys can't swim. they're getting rudimentary diving lessons, they're getting used to wearing masks, but wading through the muddy water, it's different even for divers. one diver said it takes us six
hours to get to the boys, and six hours back. these are exhausted children. so the very idea, even if the water level recedes of them wading, stumbling their way in the dark through this, it must be very, very difficult, peter. >> that gives real perspective. bill kneely on the ground for us, we appreciate your reporting. also overseas, mike pompeo en route to north korea for yet another high stakes trip. he has a pretty tall task, this is his third meeting with kim jong-un, his mission to dispel growing skepticism that last month's summit was just a feel-good exercise, trying to secure a concrete plan for north korea to abandon its nuclear program. on sunday the national security divorce to the white house, john bolton says pompeo will present a plan for the north to complete its dismantling and the missile program in one year. the state department quickly
walked that back a couple days later. nbc news had this report just several weeks last week, citing officials say u.s. intelligence agencies believe north korea that is increased production of fuel for a nuclear weapons at multiple sites in recent months. we're joined by north korea expert and "daily beast" columnest gordon chang, and joining muss is alexia and sahil. if you can sort of in simple terms explain the real challenging for mike pompeo here in terms of a substantial timetable and commitment from north korea. they signed paper, the president did, a couple weeks ago, but it's not clear that there is any road map. there's no verification process, there's no details in that language in the joint same, they
both are committed, and of course that phrase meets a different thing to the north koreans than us. they may view it as a commit ment this trip is make or break, because their policy is that based on a have -- and if that's the case, then their policies make sense, but if they don't -- if kim hasn't made that decision, then our policies are deeply misguided. >> it's worth noding, that the white house will not confirm or deny any of our reporting about this secret ever you can simply
look at the satellite images show the north is expanding a factory that builds ballistic missiles capable of striking the u.s. should we just read this, as many do, that the north is say we totally are not going to fire off rockets maybe it is convincing in that regard, but make kip doesn't control the military. because when he came to power december of 2011 on the death of his father, he took a lot of power and prestige away from on individuals and the military. this week he said, look, they haven't fired off rockets, i have succeeded. >> this has all been a photo oop
for the president. he sort of set himself up with an out, saying this isn't going to be one meeting, it will take several meetings. this is pompeo's third meeting and he needs to come back with concrete results. we should look tonight add montana that north korea is denuclearizi denuclearizing. >> he said that last week. >> now he's in a real dilemma, as nbc has reported north korea is continuing ahead with this program. they have not tangibly conceded. there's reaffirmation, they've reall through the 90s, so the president has a dilemma. is he going to confront them? going back to talk fire and fury, or is he going forward and say because of the lack of rockets up in the air, they're still moving toward a path.
>> it looks like he's in the same position when they played for extra time for them. >> the only doirchs is he got the photo op. both of you, thank you very much. gordon, nice to speak with you. i appreciate your expertise on this as always. we've been reporting this morning that we are now down to three big contender on the supreme court short list. one of them, bret cavanaugh who used to clerk for anthony kennedy, he's ig needed a divide in the republican party. we'll talk to two key conservatives about this, all ahead breaking here on msnbc. we'll be right back. ly begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. - learning from him is great... when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad's got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. - she outsmarts me every single time. - checkmate! you wanna play again?
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don't wait. call now. this morning we are back and watching the supreme court focus on one of the three most serious contender. this is the d.c. circuit judge, bret cavanaugh, a reported favorite of the white house official leading the, and. >> to be a good ump pies, good judge, in your pins, to demonstrate civility. i think that's important as well, to show, to help display that you're trying to make the decision impartially and dispassionately. that we're not bigger than the game.
>> some say he would be a disappointment on the high court. describing it as an effort that mo are most closely resemd abilit ability. >> also on said, policy director at judicial crisis network. at the end of the table as well. >> carrie, you just told us that the play book is said. your group is going to do whatever it takes to get a nominee through right now. talk about the playbook given the fact we don't even know the finalist yet. >> what i was talking about there is the democratic playbook i think is set. they've tell graphed the issues already. i think it almost you're going to shoehorn anyone's resume. our job is to defend. we don't even know what nominee
we're going to get. we want to make sure there's someone out there to defend the nominee. these are extraordinarily talented men and women. they have experience, they're brilliant. they have thought deeply. i think it's people whoosh be able to up and down bipartisan support. one of the concerns for believe cavanaugh, who has ties to two past presidents, he helped investigate bill clinton during the starr investigation. he served as a top aide to president george w. bush more recently than that, and a person the president has antagonized before. is that something you think could be a holdup? >> a lot of people on the bench were appointed by bush, so of course they'll have some connection. >> but he served in the white house. >> it's true he had more connections. if you look, he's got a long record on the court. brilliant jurist and has thought
deeply about some of the very important issues, the administration of law, separation of power, that all goes to the d.c. circuit, which is in some senses considered as the minor league to the supreme court. >> as is being reported, the president often puts a lot on a personal connection. >> i don't think personality is the key thing to look for, obviously, but if you look at any president, all of whom have stellar resumes, we heard that justice souter had a better connection with the former president bush. i think in the end, the best thing is everyone on this list, you could throw a dart and come up with an excellent jurist, these top three in particular so stand out that ij sure that the president is looking at a lot of factor, and i'm sure it will be a great decision in the end
there's been some criticism of cavanaugh that he isn't conservative enough in his opposition to obamacare. >> can we stop with the crazy political litmus test that mean nothing once you get on the bench? >> that's among republicans. >> i know. republicans just need to stop. you have a great list that was put together by the federal societies and others supposed conservatives who said this is a great body of jurists who could be supreme court justices. you don't know at any given moment how a justice will look at the facts of the case and adjudicate the case. if we did, i'm sure every conservative would have said justice roberts would not have supported the idea that obamacare is good law.
the fact of the matter is you don't know, and all this hedging around, what this person will do with roe versus wade is just pure nonsense. if you trust these individuals to be men and women of integrity of jurisprudence that you support and like, because they look at the facts, then trust them to do their job. >> republicans can only afford to lose one republican right now if john mccain is not back for this process, to all three of these -- i think they all three get confirms. i don't think any of these are tough. if they're cut out of the gorsuch mold, it would give cover to the red state democrats who everything's fretting over and is going to give cover to, you know susan collins and lisa murkowski as well. this nominee will get through the process period. let's stop the dancing and political crazy and move on. the next battle will be the real
battle on the supreme court. >> a lot of democrats said this is the battle. >> no, this is a warm-up. you won't see anything near what we're going to see when ruth bader ginsburg or one of the other liberate justices accept down and donald trump is the one making the pick. that clip you played up him talking about umpire, it reminds me of chief justice roberts a lot. the supreme court justices maded rules. that is the so we're going to hear a lot of questions about where this person stands on roe or citizens united. miranda could come back. all these precedents are at stake, and it's legitimate to
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back now live on msnbc, i'm peter alexander. it's been three days since the last update on how many migrant children are still in the custody of the u.s. government. according to recent reporting more than 11,000 are in hhs care, both children who are separated from their parents, and children who entered the u.s. unaccompanied. the children are often ordered to court for their own deportation proceedings. the children, alone, an experience highlighted in a new ad made before the trump's zero-tolerance policy even went into effect. this is a depiction, of what unaccompanied children. msnbc has not i wantly confirmed
president, shooting off a flurry of new tweets on this broad topic, immigration, urging congress to fix our insane immigration laws now. you'll remember last week he tweeted that they shouldn't fix the laws now, they should wait until after the midterm elections take place. joining me now is linda friedman. and we'll hear from our panel in a few moments. linda, i want to ask you about what obviously a very powerful video you produced. the reason why we rely on a video, a depiction is because the justice department forbids video in its spaces for the executive office of immigration review. you said you envisioned a short film that could galvanize the public, could inspire action. what has the response been to this? >> i haven't checked it today, but yesterday morning, which is the last time i think i saw a count, it had been seen by about 15 million people around the united states.
>> you say you began researching this project in 2014 from my understanding. what is the most important takeaway you hope for audiences that see this here, presumably the headsets these young individuals are wearing so they can have whatever the judge is saying interpreted, translated for them here. but what's most striking to me as a witness watching this is they sit alone. there is not legal representation for these young individuals, some of them not that much bigger than toddlers in that courtroom. >> that's right. and i think that is the biggest takeaway that under our current laws, kids arrested at the border do not have a right to court appointed lawyers. and so the vast majority of them show up, as you saw in the video, alone. and the takeaway, the big takeaway is these children don't speak or understand english. they were not provided interpreters, translators
outside of court. in court, they're handed papers to be filled out, brought back. they don't have the ability to do that. they have no way to contact or be in touch with an attorney. it's like somebody decided how could we stack the deck the highest possible way? and we've done it. >> and how do these experiences -- you know these transcripts, how do these cases end? do most of them just leave the united states at the conclusion of them? >> the figures are that when children appear alone in court, up to 90% of them are ordered deported. when they appear in court with an attorney, then about half of them are granted the right to stay in the united states. those are horrible statistics. horrible. and yet so for me, the whole idea was to try to bring the situation to light. yes, i started doing the research on the project back in
2014. so this suspect nisn't new. it's been going on a long time. the goal was simply to bring to the public -- make the public aware of what is happening and how critical it is that we make changes. this is not the way we treat children in america. >> as you said, now witnessed by 15 million americans. lex aex alexi, cameras are not allowed into these courtrooms and detention centers, and the administration refuses to give details about how many children are being held right now. >> yeah, they've stopped giving that information. they're keeping people, the public, us and the media in the dark about this. and i don't think that makes things look better for them. i know there was a controversy about how many missing children were in their custody or not in their custody and they had to correct the record on that number. but the other thing to note is when when these children have
lawyers, the situation suspectu much better. there was a lawyer representing an unaccompaniied 3-year-old, se was climbing over the tables in the proceedings. the optics are horrible when these children are sitting by themselves. >> we appreciate both of you being part of our panel today. linda friedman, i appreciate your time. thank you for speaking to us. it's obviously a very powerful project. thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back with today's big picture live on msnbc.
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back now for today's big picture. we take you to a wedding, and this one should warm your heart. check it out. this little girl, 3-year-old sky mccormick of california, she has cancer, needed a bone marrow transplant to survive. the good news is she got one, from a woman named heiden riles of alabama. riles later asked you to be the flower girl in her wedding. the pair met for the first time that day. now, of course, they share a very special bond. by the way, they call that girl warrior sky. the photographer here is janeane broadway. that's a great story. thanks for watching this hour of msnbc live. right now more news with ali velshi in new york. >> great reporting from you on the narrowing of the field of supreme court justices, now
likely to three. we'll concentrate on that over the course of the next hour. peter, thank you. good morning, everyone. i'm ali velshi. stephanie ruhle is off. today is thursday, july 5th. breaking news from the white house. a source familiar with the white house telling me the list of names has been narrowed to three. >> from a substantive view, they're all deeply conservative. >> president trump is expected to announce his supreme court nominee on monday. >> very talented people, brilliant people, and i think you're going to love it. >> amy barrett would be better for the base, but a tougher confirmation fight. >> the senate will have the final say. and pressure building on red state democrats home for the holiday to oppose any presidential pick. >> presidential authority, gerrymandering, affirmative action. >> i have told the white house counsel, individuals that to me appear to meet the criteria.