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remind you, there's a new episode up of our podcast. i learned so much from eliza griswold, talking about what took place after fracking came to western pennsylvania. you can download the episodes anywhere and don't forget to subscribe. joy reid in for rachel. happy fourth. >> that was a great tribute to ed. >> thank you for joining us this hour. rachel has the night off. happy day after the fourth of july. i hope you got some r & r. tonight there is a lot to get to starting with the bombshell resignation of epa chief scott pruitt. for months he was defiant, refusing to resign despite more than a dozen resignations. through it all, he stayed course. seemingly backed by the
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president. he even showed up at the white house fourth of july picnic yesterday. why the turn about today? in a moment we'll talk to a report here has been covering pruitt and the scandals from the beginning. the white house picnic is a big back drop in another issue, the pick of the supreme court. during the july 4 picnic, donald trump suggested to friends and some external advisers that he had made up his mind. that he has settled on d.c. circuit court of appeals judge brett kavanaugh who it is worth noting has gone on the record saying, a serious constitutional question exists whether a president can be criminal naturally indicted and tried while in office. this is donald trump we're talking about so anything could happen between now and monday night 9:00 eastern when he is expected to make his official announcement in prime time. we're following news on michael cohen who until recently was the president's long time attorney.
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to drive the point home, cohen used his holiday to scrub the words of donald trump from his twitter and profiles. more fodder for anyone taking boats if and when cohen might flip and start cooping with federal prosecutors. michael cohen used the break to hire another new lawyer and it could be a clue. since his new lawyer is laney davis who spent decades representing bill and hillary clinton. nothing like hiring the former lawyer of your boss's uber nemesis. we have some reporting coming up. we start with richard nixon who needed two tries before he got elected president. the first time he ran was in 1960 and it is generally held that he lost that race in large part because of television.
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that nixon played out favorably at home against the sweaty john f. kennedy. nixon that it did not make him bit better television but it taught him a valuable lesson about the importance of it. hook back he wished he had done a lot more televised press conferences during his time in the white house. >> it is very important for a president, or a cabinet officer or a senator to be held accountable. to be kept on his toes and the media today does that. the media is in an adversarial position with regard to public officials and that's healthy in its way. speaking of the media, we have to realize, and i think this is frankly not a helpful development, that television plays too much of a role today. when we select our candidates, we have to remember that they
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must learn to use television. if they are unable to communicate on television, a president, for example, won't be able to get support for his programs. during the watergate period, it was difficult on get a press conference. had i survived, i would have had far more press conferences, i would have had them on television whenever possible. i'd rather have the american people hear me directly rather than filtered through an anchor man or a writing press who give their views as to what i said. >> by that time he was in his late 70s and longing to have his view go directly to the people. but it was drafted into an actual real live plan during his time in the white house. in 2011 before it was sued out of existence, the website gawker
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unearthed what it described as roger ailes' secret nixon era blue print for fox news. long before launching the net work, ailes worked in the nixon white house as a media adviser to the president and buried deep within the presidential library, gawker uncovered a document that envisions a way for republicans, not just to better navigate tv but to make tv themselves. the 15-page memo is unsigned and undated. it was called a plan for putting the gop on tv news. and this is how it started. quote, today television news has watched more often than people read newspapers, than people listen to the radio, than people gather any other form of communication. the reason? people are lazy. with television, you just sit, watch, listen. the thinking is done for you. it went on to say this is a plan that places news of importance
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to localities, it is important to their localities on local television news programs while it is still news. it avoids the congressmenorship, the priorities and the prejudices of news selectors and disseminators. the idea was to provide pro administration videotape, hard news actualities to the major cities of the united states. despite a detailed plan of copious notes, it would never come to fruition. roger ailes would go on from the white house to create a full media empire fully formed in the age of trump. >> finish it the hell up. that's right. bob mueller, wiceman, are you watching what you've done to the country? what you're doing to the country? >> mueller has come up with goose eggs. >> i would fire the sob in three seconds. >> james comey is a dirty cop.
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>> there's a name for this. it is called mccarthyism. >> let's look at the mueller crime family. >> it is time to end the mueller/comey/rosenstein kabal once and for all. >> robert mueller and rod rosenstein are unethical and abusive with the legal process, all of them deserve to be fired. >> the relationship between fox news and this white house goes well beyond friendly coverage. the prime time personality has been dubbed the shadow chief. it is the only network the president routinely grants interviews to and it has become a pipeline. >> now former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, john bolten,
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good to have you here, sir. your reaction to your new job? >> well, i think i am still a fox news contributor. >> you're not, apparently. >> this administration on fox news is something of a revolving door with people cycling in and out of both. while we've seen the news personalities go from the green room to the podium, today president is blurring the line even more. essentially merging the two operations with the official announcement he has hired bill shine to run communications at the white house as his deputy chief from the operation. he resigned saying that he enab enabled, that he was aware of deeply inappropriate behavior against them and sought to suppress their concerns rather than take actions to address them constructively.
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now shine, a personal friend of sean hannity, will be getting a new job in the white house backed by his years of experience at fox news. he will become trump's fourth white house communications director. a post first created by one richard millhouse nixon. and joining us, author of the loudest voice in the room great to see you. let's talk about the importance in your view of bill shine going from fox news to the white house. it really shows the sconnection. i think one thing people need to know about bill shine is that he was shaped and molded by roger ailes from the beginning. he started in local news and he basically spent his career being
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shaped and tutored by roger ailes. he will bring all that thinking about how to set a narrative and push right wing talking points from the day to the nighttime to the white house. >> so fox news already has a perfect simbiosis with the white house. what difference will it make to have a former executive in the west wing? >> i think what trump is trying to do, he's trying to bring some discipline. the most undisciplined person is the president himself. he is trying to stick to set talking points and push throughout the day. there hasn't been a cohesive message. the president will suite things that goes against it. i think what is sort of striking about this hire is that it shows the disregard that trump has for any kind of norms and standards.
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bill was involved in some of the darkest, most troubling aspects of ailes' tenure including ailes' basically entrapment of a former fox executive named lauri lune who he had a sexual relationship with. and bill shine was in charge of keeping her under wraps and keepinger in going public. he was told to read her e-mails. and he found a psychiatrist to send her to when she had a nervous breakdown. so he helped cover up the most dark and devious behavior is now one of the highest ranking members of the federal government. >> and the president of the united states himself is embroiled in at least one lawsuit or two. is there any anxious or anxiety
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about bringing someone associated with this at fox. >> the people i talked on at the white house are worried that this will embolden the president addre , he was not someone who pushed back. he was the quint essential yes man. that's what donald trump likes. he engages himself with people who indulg his instincts. that he will be an excel rant in pushing his most divisive messages out there. and donald trump has a base. what more do they think they can get out of this? they're not trying to expand his electorate. what is the point? >> they've written off basically the middle and the rest of the country. they're going to try to mobilize their most hard core supporters.
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people who generally have not tended to vote in elections. sean hannity wanted bill shine to be the chief of this white house. this is the sean presidency. you're going to get people on the far right out there and donald trump is making the point that there are enough people. it is a numbers game and we'll see if he bets right. >> it will be interesting. thank you. gabriel sherman, thank you. joining me now, michael bechloss. let's talk about nixon's dream and bill shine in the white house. >> if nixon came back, he would say i wish i had been able to have something like fox news. when roger ailes suggested the
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idea, wasn't so much a network at that point because there wasn't really cable. it was called at one point gop tv or white house tv. there would be interviews with nixon's staff, interviews with the president and this stuff would be flown by airplane. if you can see think of nixon with watergate, he might not have survived that scandal but he might have been able to hold a little longer. you can imagine nixon having a friendly network like fox saying, archibald cox is a bad man. he is surrounded by people who love john kennedy and therefore hate nixon. obstruction of justice is not that bad. you can just imagine it.
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because nixon did not have that, and he had what he thought of as three hostile networks, he did not survive. >> one would imagine roger stone, it was probably his thought that had they had that messaging and communications, they could have had survived it and it would have been more powerful. it might even be more than the stratified world we have now. >> nixon's frustration, you see it in his memoirs. he talked to him a couple years before he died. he said it to me. he was frustrate because he felt there was no tv network willing to say the kinds of things they wanted him to say. >> now you have this merger. has there ever been any equivalent between a white house and any form of media? >> andrew jackson, for instance,
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would have a very friendly newspaper would say a lot of the things he wanted to say. but one newspaper did not have the kind of power that a tv network like fox news does now. so this is something we had not seen before. >> i wonder if it is amplified. you have the sinclair. has his dream been super fulfilled? fox is just one media outlet xaerg same unified message. >> absolutely. this is a network where the president can survive challenges and criticism and opposition by, the opposition party in a way that nixon was never able to do. so in a way, richard nixon has won. >> and i have to ask you. it will be a lot of fun for to
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you tell the audience who it was. >> it was a guy named herb kline who was nixon's press secretary in 1960 when he ran for president and lost. nixon thought he wasn't tough enough so he kicked him upstairs by creating this title. director of communications. that job has become a lot more important. i think what we'll see with bill shine, not only optics and this is how you stage a rally but this is the kind of language that works on fox news. those are the things you should say. >> and i wonder what he'll say about how he deals with every other part of the media. >> i can only imagine and you can, too. >> indeed.
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micha michael, thank you. parting is such sweet sorrow. scott pruitt, the epa chief who until now has been like teflon when it came to scandals, has resigned. e eats a bowl of hammes at every meal ♪ ♪ he holds your house in the palm of his hand ♪ ♪ he's your home and auto man ♪ big jim, he's got you covered ♪ ♪ great big jim, there ain't no other ♪ -so, this is covered, right? -yes, ma'am. take care of it for you right now. giddyup! hi! this is jamie. we need some help. let someone else do the heavy lifting. tripadvisor compares prices from over 200 booking sites to find the right hotel for you at the lowest price. so you barely have to lift a finger. or a wing. tripadvisor.
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there was a time in american life when lanny davis was virtually inescapable and what a time it was. as bill clinton's presidency was being consumed by the monica lewinsky scandal and clinton's impeachment in the late 1990s, lanny davis was clinton's principle tv defender on any and every talk show on any given night. lanny davis was there. attack independent counsel ken starr. since then his client list has really expanded. we were just speaking with, we are going to speak later with eric lipton of the "new york times." here is what he wrote in 2010 about lanny dmaifs an article headlined, the lobbyist client list puts him on the defensive. quote, he has built a client list that now includes coup supporters in honduras. a dictator in equatorial guinea,
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for profit colleges accused of exploiting students and a company that dominates the manufacture of add i have thes in infant formula. he was also harvey weinstein's lawyer for a while until that got too awkward. he currently represents a putin linked oligarch with suspected ties to the russian mob. the justice department is trying to extradite him. a few days ago, davis showed up in prague for a public debate steve bannon. the debate was titled, what the heck is going on in snerk well, today, lanny davis apparently got himself a new client. donald trump's attorney, and today happened to be the deadline for parties in the cohen case to finish their
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review of the materials federal agents seized from cohen, home, office and other locations. they have gotten more than 3 million documents in that raid and now they'll get the rest. what happens after that is anybody's guess. cohen has not yet been charged with anything. if he is going to start cooperating with prosecutors against trump, maybe a lawyer who has defended a president under impeachment as well as dictators is just the guy he needs. and cohen isn't the only one adding lawyers today. bloomberg news is reporting the number of lawyers and fbi agents working on robert mueller's investigation is also growing. quote, special counsel robert mueller is tapping additional justice department resources for help with new legal battles as his-year-old investigation of russian interference in the 2016 election continues to expand. and he is making more use of
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career prosecutors from the offices of u.s. attorneys and justice department headquarters as well as fbi agents, a sign that he may be laying the ground work to hand off parts of his investigation eventually. according to officials, mueller and his team of 17 federal prosecutors are coping with a higher than expected volume of court challenges that has added complexity in recent months. that there is no political appetite at this time to increase the size of his staff. in other words, spreading his investigation to more folks in the justice department may not be mueller giving up parts of his case. it may be a way around the political problem of getting more money for the special counsel's office at a time the party controlling the purse strings. >> what would be the significance in your view of broig a high profile lawyer like lanny davis if you're michael
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cohen? >> so with lanny davis and another lawyer, a very effective guy petrillo, he now has better defense attorneys than donald trump. he is like more ethical and skilled version of rudolph giuliani. as you indicated, he can go into full attack dog mode for his client. he is also known as a deal maker. so if he is looking to make a deal with mueller, then lanny davis is the perfect guy to do that. and do you expect it helps in the case with michael avenatti who has been pretty aggressive against cohen in the public media? >> they both have very good media skills. but at the end of the day, what
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will impress him, michael cohen ran trump's businesses along with ivanka and don jr. almost certainly the will be a question of the improprieties. >> does it make it in your view more likely? there has been this question of why michael cohen has resisted, turning on trump and helping out the mueller investigation. does it make to you more likely that he will now do it? >> we're hearing, i think, different interpretations of michael cohen. he's indicated that now his loyalty isn't to trump but rather in opposition to the united states and to his family. that could be a way of saying to
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mueller, you have a pardon to bless me with. saying that to trump. do you have a pardon to bless me with? on the other hand, he could be signaling to mueller that he's ready to cooperate. he hasn't even made a proffer which means cohen hasn't sat down with prosecutors and told them what he has to offer. he potentially has really important information on obstruction and also on collusion. among cohen's responsibilities for trump was to make deals with these russian oligarchs. he made trip reportedly to prague to talk to russian operatives in 2016 and then he lied about it. and apparently mueller has the goods on that. so there is a lot of information that is incriminating and
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damaging to the president. >> we haven't even gotten to the stormy daniels of it. that's out there, too. >> he has all that exposure too. as you mentioned, that is a separate investigation. no matter what happens to the mueller investigation, a lot of these federal investigations involving people connected to this, they'll go on and on. >> thank you very much. appreciate your time tonight. >> always a pleasure. what costs $32 a bottle, smells great and can only be found at ritz carlton hotels? a luxury item at the heart of one of many, many scandals. that didn't get pruitt to resign. nor did any of the others. so what made pruitt hang it up today? that's next.
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it has sweet notes. it runs $32 a bottle. it is sold exclusively at ritz carlton hotels and it led to this amazing headline in the "washington post." pruitt enlisted security detail in picking up dry cleaning and moisturizing lotion. quote, the epa administrator went in search of a particular
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lotion sold only at ritz-carlton hotels. he has reportedly used your. at a dollars to not just track down fancy lotion but also $1,500 worth of fountain pen. a $43,000 fake security booth. a biometric lock for his office door. around the clock security detail. first class plane tickets. a bullet proof suv. there was the used mattress he tried to buy from the president's hotel and the condo he rented if a lobbyist. you remember where his security broke down the door to rescue him when he was asleep. there were the rose bowl tickets from the energy company is that the basketball seats from an executive. the fancy snacks and the secret calendar and the private jet and the police sirens. at a certain point, there starts to feel like scott pruitt
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corruption scandal mad libs. it all sort of runs together. then there was that thing with the chicken. >> my wife is an entrepreneur herself. i love, she loves, we love chick-fil-a is a franchise of faith and it is one of the best in the country. so that's something we were very excited about. we need more of them in tulsa and across the country. so anyway, it is an exciting time. >> it's an exciting time. the reason scott pruitt was asked about chick-fil-a was not because the reporter wanted his thoughts on fast food, the "washington post" had just reported that pruitt asked his aide at the epa to contact the fast food chain and see if they would let his wife run one of their franchises. when that didn't work, he asked republican donors to see if they
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would hire his wife instead. which asks illegal. he cannot ask his aide to help get his wife a job so his family can make some extra cash. we know about scott pruitt is currently the subject of more than a dozen investigations of his free spending behavior. he has a lawyer, as to some of his former staffers. many of whom are meeting with investigators. head. day after day, scott pruitt has returned to his office with the biometric locks and the security, until. today he has resigned from the trump white house. starting monday, scott pruitt will not have a job in the federal government. he sent the president his resignation letter today which was second by tweet. in a lot of levels, it makes sense. it is not really a surprise. what had to happen now for to it change? he has been a scoop machine
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covering the scott pruitt saga. let's answer the million-dollar question. with all that scott pruitt has gone through, what changed so that he steps down now? >> two things shifted. the early stories were about wasteful spending. first class travel, security spending that seemed excessive. in recent weeks we shifted to things that were quite more serious and potentially serious ethics violations. so it turns pout the $50 a night condo that he was living in, there was a lobbyist who is the spouse of the owner of the condo who was repeatedly lobbying pruitt while he was living in the condo even though we were
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told that was not true. to have a relationship with someone targeting you and gotten a discounted rent. then we have him asking staff member to get his wife a job. most recent when i the story we published today, it turns out that apparently his schedule was being changed to modify events that they did not want in the public's view. to make a change in a record, if you're modifying federal records to cover up something. we haven't proved that occurred but there was an aide who was asked to make changes. she said she thought making the changes was illegal. and after that, she was fired. we've gone from a story where
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there is excessive spending. now to this, the criminal violations. we're getting closer to mid terms. i think the question becomes, is he worth the liability when he could be of consequence in the mid terms. >> there has been some defense of scott pruitt in the media world. was this resonating with voters? on capitol hill? >> we've seen a certain number of republicans in congress, particularly if rural states, corn growing states where there was a dispute over ethanol and
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the request for ethanol being blended into gasoline and they were not happy with the decisions pruitt was making. and some of the republican senators started to be real doubts about it. if you tart to lose the farm belt and the republicans from the farm belt, you'll have a real problem with basically the party turning away from pruitt. then you have even the conservative media suggesting it was time for pruitt to go. so this was trump's constituency. so it was becoming clear that pruitt would be a real target among democrats in the mid terms and he would be a real liability to the presidency. >> all right. investigative reporter to the "new york times." thank you. set your watches. it is t-minus 23 days to the mid terms. we have new polling that shows there's one block of viters who is so fired up, he this
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here's something that caught our attention. in july of 2010, the solid middle of the road quinnipiac poll asked vote betters the upcoming elections. the first since barack obama was elected president. they asked voters generically speaking, they preferred republicans or democrats. this poll is broken down by gender. each year i can tell that you men have tended to prefer republicans. in july 2010 men preferred republicans by a margin of 15%. women voters preferred women by 15%. the gender gap it was 15 points. next up, 2015. men again preferred republicans. this time by 6 points. women preferred democrats by 9 points. even with some shifting around.
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even then, the gap is 15 points. and then men said they leaned toward mexico of commerce by 15 points. women said they lean toward democrats by 25 points. 25. that is a statistically huge number which gives as you gender gap of 33 points. the divide between women and men over who should represent us in congress. this result in quinnipiac is not the only poll we've seen pointing to a yawning divide. we've seen the pugh poll put the gender gap at 22. cnn found it was 34. what we're seeing four months after the election is not just men typically going red and women typically going blue. this is men leaning toward republicans a little bit and
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now, he did not provide an exact figure today. but just last tuesday, he told the senate finance committee that the number was 2047 kids, precisely. of the nearly those are the kids that a federal judge in california ordered the government to bring back to their parents within 14 days of the order's release. and the order was filed last tuesday. the secretary confirmed his department plans to comply with that deaddeadline. that plan includes dna testing to speed up the reunification process and adding 230 workers to oversee the testing and assist parents in filling out something called a family reunification packet. tuesday is just the first of two court mandated deadlines. after those toddlers and babies are brought back to their
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families that they were taken from, hhs will have 2,900 kids to go. the deadline for bringing all the kids back is the 26th of this month. whether mr. aczar's agency meets these deadlines or not, the fact the u.s. government separated these children from their parent wills be remembered as a sering moment in history. that will include the testimony documented in lawsuits filed against the government. this will be 900 pages of testimony in a suit brought by 17 states. these many, many declarations give us clear insight into what is like to have your child forcibly removed from you and handed over to hhs. one woman says that just after her son was taken from her, an immigration officer, quote, told me they were not going to give me asylum and i would not see him until he is 18 years old because they were going to put him up with an american family for adoption.
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that scared me a lot. another mother was given ten minutes to say good-bye to her children. the officers told her the children could not come with her to detention. quote, the older child, when he heard that, started to cry and said to me, crying, mommy, i don't want to go. i don't want them to separate us. the other child, when we saw the other crying, began to cry as well. i felt so badly, just hugged them and kissed them and tole them, go, son. good willing, we will be together soon. take care of your little brother. i said i love you two very much. this collection of testimony also tells us what it's sometimes like when you get your child back from hhs. a woman who left el salvador in october of 2017 to seek asylum in the united states told the state of washington about being reunited with her son who was taken from her partner after they crossed the border. she talks about her son's condition after she brought him
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home. quote, when i took off his clothes, he was full of dirt and lice. it seemed like they had not bathed him the 85 days he was away from us. her son is not even two years old. she recounted later that night when she was trying to put him to bed, quote, he cried the moment we got to the bed and refused to sleep. he finally fell asleep from exhaustion, but he only slept on my chest. when i tried to put him on the bed, he would cry again. within the first few days back at home, she found magazines in her mailbox and took them out. when her son saw what i was doing, he immediately started crying and did not stop until i put the magazines away. his reaction makes me think he was abused in the shelter. and joining us now is bob ferguson, the attorney general of washington state, which is the lead plaintiff for the 17 states suing over the separation of families. thank you for joining us.
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>> thank you for having me, joy. i appreciate it. those pieces of testimony are hard to read. they are heart-breaking what you are learning from these families. in the course of this lawsuit, do you get a sense the government actually does have a plan to give these children, particularly the very young children, really all these kids, back to their moms and dads? >> there is no plan, joy. there is only one word, and that's chaos. and as painful as it is to hear the words when you read them on a piece of paper as you have just done, i came today from meeting with five additional women to get additional declarations. i went down to a detention center here in washington state and the stories they relayed to me in person, you know, were heart-breaking in the extreme. >> the one about the mom being told she would not see her child again until he was 18, have you heard more than one parent saying they were basically threatened to have their children adopted out without
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their consent? >> yes. that was a consistent meeting today. i believe at least three, if not four, women said they were told when they were separated from their children, some were not given the chance to say good-bye, but when they were separated, they were specifically told that their children were going to be put up for adoption in the united states and they, the parent, would be deported back to their home country. so that theme of never seeing your child again has been a recurring one, including the five conversations i had today. >> so are these parents who the government says they will use dna to reunite them because that adoption threat sounds like it would be much more extent with the younger children, do these parents, a, know what state their children are? do they have some identifying number? who is going to pay for the dna testing? >> no idea who is going to pay for the dna testing.
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what i can say in the conversations we had today with these five women, there is at least a growing awareness of where their child is. as in i think they are in new york. or i believe they are in texas. they have had perhaps a conversation or two conversations with their child. keep in mind, they have been separated from their field for n many, many weeks. there was a five year old separated from her mother. she broke down because in telling the story because her five year old child is angry at her because the five year old son believes that his mother took her -- took him into the united states in order to give him away. the child believes that as a result of being separated from his mother. that's the kind of, you know, psychological damage that would be hard to undue with any parent with a child of that age. >> oh, my god. let alone parents worried about abuse, it is horrifying. >> and this is a parent who fled a dangerous situation in order
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to protect her child and now her child believes just the opposite because of the way our government, our federal government, treated them. that is without a shred of dekrd decensy. >> more ahead tonight. stay with us. i'm to your bumper, cause.... i don't think enough people heard about your big day. but nothing says "we got married" like a 12 ounce piece of scrap metal. yo! we got married! honk if you like joint assets.
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your hair is so soft! did you use head and shoulders two in one? i did mom. wanna try it? yes. it intensely moisturizes your hair and scalp and keeps you flake free. manolo? look at my soft hair. i should be in the shot now too. try head and shoulders two in one. well, we got shocking and sad news earlier today. our colleague ed schultz died this morning of natural causes.
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he was 64 years old. he was most recently a host on rt america. before that he worked here for six years. i had the honor of filling in for him on weekends and i still work with some of his producers who have been sharing stories about him all day. he traveled all overhosti icove stories from climate change to the battle over labor unions. ed loved to fly planes, catch fish and most of all he loved his wife, wendy. that does it for us tonight. now it is time for the last word. good evening, ari. >> good evening. i knew ed a little bit as a colleague and i know a lot of people that worked with him and this is one of those days where everyone is just processing it and taking it in and remembering him. i know what you said there matters because he did a lot of

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