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react less like babies and more like diplomats. that is our final word. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. a festive for the rest of us. and the president is airing his grievances. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm steve kornacki in for chris matthews, the shock jock as president is at it again. embattled epa administrative officer, he does what he does best. trump delivering a meandering hour long speech. he mocked the media, the democratic party, senator john
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mcgain, even former president george h. bush. elizabeth warren, and even poking at the me too movement. >> i will do this. you know those kits they sell for $2, learn your heritage. and in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims that she is of indian heritage, because her mother claims she has high cheekbones. but we have to do it gently, because we are in the me too generation. and we will gently take the kit and slowly toss it, hoping it doesn't hit her and injure her arm. and we will say, i will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity paid for by trump if you take the test that
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shows that you are an indian. >> trump also took aim at american allies vowing to demand more money from nato countries. >> i will tell nato, you have got to start paying your bills. united states is not going to take care of everything. they kill us with nato. germany pays 1%. and i said, you know, angela, i can't guarantee it, but we're protecting you. and it means a lot more to you than protecting us, because i don't know how much protection we get by protecting you. so they want to protect against russia, yet they pay billions of dollars to russia and we are the schmucks that are paying for the whole thing. >> no criticism when the topic turned to russian president vladimir putin. >> i am meeting with president
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putin next month. will president trump be prepared, putin is kgb. and he is fine. we are all fine. we're people. >> and trump making no mention of scott pruitt's oust. but it may not have been far from his mind. quote, trump's presentation at the mt rally was steeped in grievance. people close to him believe he was angry. i am joined by shanno petty peace. democrat democrat democratic strategist. these are the themes he has been pressing. but there did seem to be certainly some of the parts we played there.
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was it about pruitt. he mentioned he was in montana. he what do you think contributed to what we saw? >> a shift towards campaign trump. this was obviously a campaign rally. he said he was there to hurt jon tester's re-election bid. because he blames him for the failed nomination of ronny jackson. the trump campaign is off to a start. they are raising money, organizing these rallies and becoming more and more frequent. we are seeing that he is starting to test out themes for 2020. and i think that elizabeth warren section was testing out an attack on her to see how the crowd responds.
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this is campaign trump. maybe he became a bit more presidential for a while, but now we are definitely switching more of an attack mode, and campaign mode. >> tara, it is not the first time he went after elizabeth warren. what did you make in that part of it? >> well, he has been attacking elizabeth warren for a while now. he gets instant gratification and instant reaction it the line of attack. he does use these rallies to test out these divisive material and lies. donald trump is very strategic. he may not be intellectually curious, but he is strategic and he knows how to push-buttons,
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and push-buttons of his supporters. every vicious attack, and every new lie they ate it up. it gives him reaction and he knows what materials works best. he believes what base. if he can keep them distracted, that is his pathway to victory. >> in terms of the midterm, the energy is there on the democratic side. will it be matched on the republican side or not? a lot of indication, in these special elections. can he generate it. can he go out there and give speeches in the fall and provoke reaction from democrats. and pick targets like elizabeth warren and sell the attitude, me against the media, against the world, against the democrats.
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can that get comparable energy? >> we have to look back and look at his approval ratings within the republican party, they are 90%. the republican has shrank since he became president. only the people who really love donald trump is staying. there is a reckoning coming. and that is the part of women. me too impacts wall street to main street. and typically, we run for a midterm, it is d plus seven with women, and now seeing polls with d plus 12. yes, a lot of people tune out what trump says at these rallies, but when he hits me too, my god, i think democrats were smiling and popping champagne corks because it is so beneficial to them.
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>> i have got to ask though, people said after the revelations of the "access hollywood," tapes, what you just said. and he did get elected. is there a possibility what we are missing? >> there is not in my mind. we are seeing it in special elections in 2017 and 2018. look at what happened on the ground in virginia. the women's march, most dangerous thing to the republican party. we are seeing women across the country independently organized. the dnc might have its host of problems, but these grass root organizations are going out and winning races that nobody saw coming. we are not winning as a party. there is a demographic problem. and republicans haven't addressed women's concerns. and the key group we have been
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losing and that is white, married, suburban women with kids and they are turning on trump saying this is disgusting. and time to make a change. >> they voted for clinton, in 2016 and they need 23 if they are going to get the house. big place we are going to be looking. we mentioned me too. and they came on the same way that his white house announced hiring bill shine. the "new york times" describing him as well regarded for his ratings success as a top fox news executive but who carries the weight of covering up sexual harassment charges. >> the impetus of his role in
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the white house. what was the thinking there inside the white house? >> well, president trump really showed over and over again that he doesn't concern himself too much with accusations of sexual misconduct by anyone. roger ailes, bill o'reilly, when we saw rob porter, he was still hesitant to turn on rob porter. these allegations of abuse, there has never been anything that has stuck with the president and caused him to turn his opinion on anyone and bill shine's is someone's name who has been out there for a while. so finally, they were able to workout a deal for months. that is what the president thinking about, what can he do for me, my administration, and
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not these accusations. >> tara, we are four months from today, midterm election day. you heard what evan was saying about the gender gap, talking about this thing with bill shine and what trump says with me too. looking at these districts. i mean, is this at a point where if democrats don't win this thing in november, would that be a crisis for the party? >> i don't think so. there is a ton of energy out there. i can tell you amongst suburban white women, there is a new kind of, a new-found angst around trump there. is a new-found concern around trump. the fact that he has these people on his team who have been engaged in sexual assault. the fact that he has been
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accused of sexual assault from multiple women. all of this swirling around him is problematic because he has shown in interest in doing anything to address the issue. he is embracing it by bringing people around it who covered up sexual assault or who committed it. so that is not lost on voters and not lost on women. especially in those districts. women in these affluent districts are embarrassed by trump's behavior. even those who lean in support of him. who lean to the right, they are embarrassed. and that is what you are seeing, you are seeing embarrassment. >> there is a bunch of these districts. we have that board fired up. talking about the exact question, is that going to be the difference. tara do you dell, shannon pettypiece.
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thank you all. hiring lanny davis as his new attorney. plus, with just 72 hours to go before president trump announcing his supreme court pick. who is the front runner? and how is this for international diplomacy, giving as a gift to kim jong-un, a cd of elton john's rocket man. all that, plus plenty more to get to with the "hardball" roundtable, this is "hardball" where the action is. our thinnest longest lasting blades on the market. precision machinery and high-quality materials from around the world. nobody else even comes close. it's about delivering a more comfortable shave every time. invented in boston, made and sold around the world.
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to tell his side of the story. cohen has told allies that he no longer wants to be the villain. he told others he would not believe trump would wipe his slate clean using the presidential pardons. quote, his mindset is of someone who is operating under the assumption that is is not geting that. >> we know lanny davis as someone who has been around. talk about who lanny davis is. and what he could potentially do with somebody like michael cohen. >> yeah. lanny davis is an expert, steve, in navigating the washington scandal culture and the
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washington media political culture. he has done that effectively going back to bill clinton and his impeachment scandal. and with other clients. and he doesn't necessarily have ideological rigidity. might consider a democratic capital d sensibility. he has invited steve bannon the former trump white house adviser to debate. steve bannon when he was in the white house and trying to advise donald trump on how to navigate the then unfolding mueller probe, he reached out to lanny davis to pick his brain about it.
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so a recognized expert in this. and one showing a willingness to work. >> michael cohen has been under taking in public recently, the abc news interview, changing his profile. public image strantegy. do you read lanny davis is somebody who can navigate the court of public opinion or court of law? >> both. lanny davis is someone like rudy giuliani who can go on full attack dog mode. he can be the tv lawyer for michael cohen the way giuliani is for the president. he also has mad skills.
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this is part of the clap back. the week that michael cohen clap back on president trump. ghost the president on social media. we hear him say that his loyalty is to his family and country and not president trump. and so he is either really sending a message to the president,y of president president,y o. he is sending smoke signals to mueller, i am ready to talk. if you are, give me a ring. >> in his latest book, he argues that the fbi's actions in 2015, effectively robbed hillary clinton of victory. davis argued that rudy giuliani received leaks from the fbi which were used to pressure james comey to re-open the
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investigation. let's watch. >> on the 25th of october. he went on and said i have heard from former and active fbi agents something bad is coming. identified as leaking to pressure comey to re-open an investigation that turned out to be a nothing burger. >> what do you know about the state of his relationship with the clinton's right now. is it still close? is this something that he would have discussed with them? or clear with them? >> not necessarily that he would
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clear his representation of michael cohen with them. that argument that he is making, he wrote a book about that argument about comey throwing the election. we know the clintons have told their allies that they believe in. so to the extent that he is still seeing as clinton surrogate or a clinton ally, that could be helpful for michael cohen. because you have michael cohen trying to shift the narrative to distance himself from trump and establish himself as an independent figure. could be one who democrats or trump opponents might want to support. having lanny davis on board could have facilitate that support. >> it is true that in the courtroom, lanny davis is a hired gun and he will work for
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whatever client deserves his services. he is a dyed in the wool democrat, i think this may be part of his political agenda. they thinks that president trump stole the election from hillary clinton. he and hillary are besties at least when it comes to politics. how his michael cohen can help mueller make the case against trump. and just to remind everybody, the steel dossier, in that dossier, michael cohen is the star, the key to collusion, the link to the trump organization and russia. if there is a story to tell, michael cohen is the one to tell
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it. >> thank you to both of you. days away on president trump's announcement on his next nominee. deep reverence or the constitution. what does that mean for roe v. wade and the mueller investigation. that is up next. this is "hardball." my day starts well before i'm in the kitchen.
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the president who prides himself on building suspense teased the grand reveal last night. >> as you know, there is now a vacancy on the supreme court and if you turn in monday at 9:00, i think you will extremely happy. >> a source tells politico the president wants to maximize his exposure, we wants to be the person who discloses the pick. numerous outlets have reported that the three most serious contenders, are bret cava naug, amy coney ba are. rett. and raymond kethledge. no nominee has said outright what their position is, but
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quoted, their use of coated language will send a signal on where they stand. for more, i am joined by heidi briz billa and aaron blake. it is interesting. i think it was david souter who said he never thought of abortion. you said two of these picks have used code language on this. that seems significant. who are the two nominees you are talking about and what is the language. >> at the same time as you point out, many nominees have been cagey about it, and dating back
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to robert bork. consultants have trained these nominees not to answer the question. but we found there is a good way to read some of this language that lines up with the same language that activist groups for pro-life organizations use like the susan b anthony foundation. two out of the three, kavanaugh and barrett has used the code word. one of them is referring to roe as abortion on demand. we have a number of restrictions on states on abortion past 20 weeks. essentially what you are referring to is taking away some of the exceptions of the life of the mother. and the second one is when you refer to someone as a strict
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constitutionalist, that is almost always i am told a reference to roe v. wade, not supportive to it because there is nothing specific anyboin the constitution. kavanaugh said the constitution should be read explicitly. that quote-unquote text matters. that is viewed as a code word as well. >> are the pro-choice folks saying they see no signal either way from kethledge? >> we scrubbed the records and as far as we can tell, not given a speech, for example like barrett did, where she made a number of references as she did on abortion on demand. that the states have no roll
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anymore. talking about that in a disparaging tone. we didn't see that from kethledge. he is seen as the safer choice. >> if mccain is sidelined and republicans are sitting on 50 votes and what you hear does that advantage kethledge. >> kethledge is the one that would certainly mitigate the roe v. wade attacks. we are talking about code language here. these nominees are going to be coached on the way they should answer these questions. talking about somebody like susan collins saying she will not vote for somebody who is hostile on roe v. wade.
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she has voted for like john roberts. if you are susan collins, are you going to be the one who votes against republicans getting a five to four majority on the supreme court? that is a difficult vote even if we are talking about a moderate from maine. >> is there indication just the politics that we are seeing, we certainly saw democrats at least early on a couple of days ago going after barrett. different conservative groups have different favorites here. any indication that it has swayed the white house or the president. >> hard to say. there was that conservative backlash against judge kavanaugh. interesting part of this is
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senator ran paul has expressioned reservations about kavanaugh. you know, amy coney barrett is the favorite, but she has gotten push back. not enough track record to trust what she would do. you are probably liking the fact that you are the guy who is sitting back and hasn't seen fit to irritate anybody. maybe he is the guy that the president will go with. knowing he will be the one not to irritate either of the base. >> three days from knowing who the nominee will be. and then the real fight. thank you both for joining us. president trump is punching the
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. welcome back to "hardball." secretary of state mike pompeo back in pyongyang. working out details. south korean media is reporting that pompeo is presenting the leader with a gift from president trump. nbc news has not confirmed that report. meanwhile, president trump lashed out against nato allies while delivering praised to
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russia president vladimir putin. >> i am going to tell nato, you got to start paying your bills. united states is not going to take care of everything. they are going, you know, vladimir putin is kgb. putin is fine. we are all fine. we are all people. >> joining us now the roundtable. well, bobby, let's start out with we heard there. putin is fine, don't worry. she should get along. that message. what is what could come out of this meeting next week? >> he hasn't said what he wants from putin. nor has putin clearly
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articulated what he wants from the meeting. t here there is no bar. we don't know what trump is going ask from putin. and we don't know what putin is going to ask from trump. this could be much ado about nothing which frankly the way trump's summits tend to go. >> traditionally, the american president makes friends gets as close as possible to our nato allies and in a situation like this with putin, there would be tension there. this seems reverse here. the president wants to reverse those postures. >> trump is doing putin's job. the rest of the world to recognize russia and crimea. and we saw reports that he
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wanted to recognize that russia had annexed crimea and he said he is open to discussing that with putin and most recently, did we saw, not only his rallies but during the g7 summit last month when he indicates that, you know, these u.s. allies are not paying their fair share. and you know, he is alienating some of the closest allies like canada, germany, france. and cozying up to putin. >> it is classic bully behavior from the schoolyard. you take your friends for granted. they all need you so you can cook them around. and you look at the other bully and say that guy i admire. that is the traditional pattern with trump. he genuinely likes putin.
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at the very least we can't accuse him of sort of basically leading us the wrong way. this is what you see what you get situation. >> and john, you are going to be on this trip next week, what is the mood around the white house when it comes to preparation, expectation, what are you hearing around trump in terms of expectations? >> the president has never been one fond of lengthy briefing books. he goes with his gut. the way he views american foreign policy is his personal rapport with the other leader. he believes it is in america's interest to do so. questions of what other motivations might be. he is not shy about up ending the natural order. let's remember what he did to
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nato a year ago. berated them to how not nearly enough they were contributing to defense. we saw him at the g7 with a twitter storm with justin trudeau. and the timing of the week that has unnerved traditional american allies where he starts in nato. head to the uk. where the protests are expected to be so great, the white house officials keeping him out of london, where he won't see as much demonstrations and after a weekend of golf in scotland, goes to helsinki to meet putin. >> there is this posture on the world stage, this attitude, this reversal of what we have become used to. there is at least among his
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base, an appetite to this. >> absolutely. trump is a republican president, and republicans have been so hawk like on russia. so it is very fascinating this shift, this evolution that we have seen with not just trump but his base also. >> it is striking, and you go a few years ago, the initiative of the obama administration to have a reset. and then crimea happens. >> not unusual for the american president to shake hands with bad guys. nixon went and shook hands with chairman mao. here is the thing. nixon went, and read those agenda papers copiously. he went with a clear agenda of what he wanted from the meeting.
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and he didn't feel compelled that mao is a terrific guy, his people love him. there is a lack of preparation which is frightening enough as it is. and this egregious need to say nice things to these bad people. >> it is interesting what you are saying, that basic attitude, you see this in the polling. should the president be sitting down with kim jong-un. or with vladimir putin. what emerges out of that seems to be more. up next, you are watching "hardball."
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with a fast unraveling venezuela threatening regional security, why can't the u.s. just simply invade the troubling company. also raising the issue with the colombian president. reportedly leading off the conversation saying my staff told me not to say this. trump campaigned on a no stupid war platform. >> you are tired of the reckless foreign policy. we will abandon the policy of reckless regime change. my foreign policy will emphasize diplomacy not destruction. >> back with our roundtable. jonathan, this was a year ago. and getting new reporting on it now. what do we know what happened between a year ago and now. is this something that died in the white house, talked about it
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again? >> at the time, it seemed like it came out of nowhere. we at the press corp were what? this is something that he has brought up before. let's remember when this happened. it was last august. this was the height of the fire and fury. the president was looking on military options then and feeling the bluster. and that he was floating this idea. we don't expect, this is not something that he has been actively pursuing since. people around him have talked him out of it since. this is a bad idea. >> the situation, then, versus now, what can we say about it? >> the situation in venezuela, is a very bad place. you have an absolute tyrant of a leader who, you know, messes around with the political
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opposition. they conducted a farce of an election. richest companies given with small population. so badly managed and so corrupt that it is one of the poorest countries. so the situation is really, really desperate. but war is not an answer to that. venezuela does not directly threaten the security of the united states. i can't imagine any of the latin american leaders would approve. they would be horrified to think that the american president is thinking about this. >> yeah. i mean, setting aside the fact that trump pretty much has gone back on everything he has said about not being a warmonger, that was the biggest thing he criticized hillary clinton on
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we are back with the "hardball" roundtable. >> heard rumor that golf skips the golf and goes to watch the world cup final with vladimir putin as his guest. if that is true, then you have the prospect of russia going to the final and the president sitting with russia. if you think about political symbolism, it doesn't get stronger than that. >> they have largely driven this story from the beginning. we will see if that continues into the summit. >> in the light of scott pruitt's resignation, for a while, long time secretary defense mattis was seen as the most influential member, these
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days trump is tuning him out more and more. these days it is pompeo if he gets north korea done. thank you for joining us. it is "hardball." chris matthews will be back with us on monday. and all in with chris hayes starting right now. >> tonight on "all in," the divider in chief strikes again. risky bet on racial grievance. and the evidence it may not be working. >> i went as high as i could. >> day one on the trade war. why it hurts trump's voters but not trump's support. >> the war was lost. and now we are going to win it. >> a fifth allegations against the founding member of the freedom

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