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tonight's last word. president trump has faced some tough weeks. next week could be the toughest yet for the president. the easy part is announcing a new supreme court justice. that's ahead in "the 11th hour with brian williams." and that starts now. williams a starts now. tonight the president's critical week ahead. a prime time supreme court announcement. talks on the world stage and a sum he says he's been preparing for his whole life. all this, as his attorney reportedly sets new ground rules for a sit-down with robert mueller. plus, where are the charge? the trump administration requests more time to reunite families pulled apart by its policies. new reporting on a number of migrant parents the government can't find. and elton judge diplomacy. the secretary of state search for specifics on de-nuclearizing north korea. "the 11th hour" on friday night begins now. good evening once again from our
nbc news headquarters here in new york, i'm steve cornky in for brian williams. he'll be back here on monday night. day 533 here of the trump administration. the pressure is on. the president is facing a complicated week ahead with high pressures at home and abroad. there is brand new reporting tonight from the "new york times" about the negotiations for a face-to-face interview between trump and special counsel robert mueller. the "time's" report quote, president's lawyer set new conditions on fried on an interview with a special counsel. the chances the president will be voluntarily questioning will be increasingly unlikely. the article goes on to say, the special counsel, robert mueller needs to prove before trump would agree to an interview, that he has evidence mr. trump committed a crime. his testimony is essential to completing the investigation,
says rudy gill juuliani, the he president in the case. it appears the president and his legal team is taking more of an aggressive stance regarding russia. in the meantime, trump three bays away from announcing a decision that could well-define his legacy. he's about to pick to fill that vacancy on the supreme court. >> if you turn in monday at 9:00, i think you'll be extremely happy with the election. right? they're all great. >> a source familiar with the selection process tells nbc news the president is focused on bret kavanaugh. amy coney. president trump will be flying to europe on wednesday for the annual summit with leaders, united states and its nato allies. president has taken a combative
approach dealing with nato, criticizing the company for not boosting its own expense funding. >> i'll see nato and i'll say, you got to start paying your bills, the united states can't take care of everything. we have billions of dollars in debt in eu. they want to pay billions of dollars to russia and we're the smuks paying for the whole thing. almost $33 billion or more rejected to be paid by the nato nations nations but it's not enough. >> comments like that raises concerns about the president's willingness to stand with presidenato allies. >> it's really upsetting to our allies that he seems to prefer meeting with putin, kim jong-un,
we're long-time friends of the united states. >> this week it will also include details with that upcoming meeting with vladimir putin, president trump insists he's more than ready. >> putin's fine, he's fine. we're all fine, we're people. will i be prepared? totally prepared. i've been preparing for this stuff my whole life. >> the president will also have time to neutral the special relationship between the u.s. and the u.k. he is expected to limit his time in london where several protests are scheduled during his visit. that is that continuing drama, that is the white house. today was epa's scott pruitt's last day. the president has a brand new communication's director as well. bill shine.
congress will be heading back to work as well next week. the senate returns on monday, the house on tuesday. it's likely to bring increased scrutiny to one of president's most vocal allies, jim jordan, a powerful meeting of the house's freedom caucus. it's alleged jordan knew about sexual assault of a teen doctor when he was back at the school. he did nothing about it. continue, the congressman was asked about those allegations. >> i never saw, never heard of, never was told about any type of abuse. if i had been i would have dealt with it. what bothers me the most is, the guys that are saying these thing, i know they know the truth. what has been said about me is completely false. >> the president is standing by jordan, telling reporters on air force one last night, quote, i don't believe them at all. i believe him. jim jordan is one of the most outstanding people i've met since i've been in washington.
i believe him 100%, no question in my mind. i believe jim jordan 100%, he's an outstanding man. lets bring in jonathan allen. ken thomas, white house reporter for the associated press. barbara mcquaid, former u.s. attorney for eastern direct of michigan. now a legal analyst. ba barbara let me start with you. on the news rudy giuliani is making tonight, the president might agree to an interview with robert mueller, saying essentially, mueller has to have proof the president committed crimes, his testimony may be essential to the investigation. is giuliani saying this is not going to happen? >> it seems like he is. every time the deadline comes and goes he moves the goalpost further down the feel. it seems like another stall
tactic. these are conditions that are not illegally required. giuliani is trying to put in place some terms mueller can agree to. i don't see why mueller would agree to, show his whole entire hand to giuliani to get trump to sit down with him for an interview. no doubt he wants to talk to him, his other option is to serve a subpoena on him. that brings the potential of litigation and contenscious arguments. i'm sure he'd rather secure his testimony through a voluntarily sit down. i'm sure he'll have to move on and issue his support without the subpoena or testimony. >> giuliani set a deadline, i think it was july 4th of this week for a decision, now, no decision just new terms. do we know at what point mueller has to either do a subpoena or move out without a decision, you're talking about?
>> there's really no specific deadline to it. i imagine this piece of it that he wants to talk to president trump relates likely to the obstruction of justice of investigation he's done. there's only a handful of people who would be involved if talking about that, only a handful of documents necessary to review. my guess is, that piece of the investigation is probably done, except for this piece. now, the larger russia investigation seems like there's still more work to be done there. i suppose until that piece of the investigation is done, there's no urgency in getting the obstruction piece done. at some point, if everything else is done, mueller's going to have a make a decision about how he wants to proceed to end the investigation. it can't go on forever. it does seem like giuliani is doing his best to delay that occurrence. >> that is the legal front, ken thomas, as we head into this weekend. one of the big political questions around the president is who is he going to pick to
replace anthony kennedy on the supreme court? we mentioned cavanaugh, barrett, ket laj. is this still a live process? >> as far as we know it's still a live process. there's been a lot of pouncibou back and forth this week. essentially focusing on cavanaugh or kethleg. cavanaugh had some concerns later in the week, concerns raised by the senators. noticeably raised about some of the decisions and views cavanaugh has expressed. my sense is that the white house feels like that's under control now, and the president can make a decision on a leveled playing field, and feel confident that whomever he picks, he can get the nominee through the senate. i think right now, you're most likely looking at either a cavanaugh pick, who seems to be the credibled candidate, the
person who has those washington ties. or ray ketleg,some refer to as a gorsuch. >> john allen, i didn't hear the name amy barrett there. democrats have certainly zeroed in on her a couple days ago. there was this issue with olympia snow saying roe v wade is an issue for her. is there a sense that amy conan barrett may be an that list? >> certainly so, i think there's a significant am of support for those who would like to see a woman on the court who would be in the position of overturning roe.
congressman might act federally to ban abortion beyond that if that were to happen. i think barrett appears to be alive in this process. somebody who certainly has her supporters, i think there are a lot of people wloflt like she had a good narrative coming out of her last set of hearings where senator diane finestein went after her and basically says she wears her religion on her sleeves. with that kind of fight, she's a good person to be picked. from the standpoint of whenever conservators will be happy with this pick, i think they'll be happy with all of them. president trump needs to get enough on the board to offset the democratic defections or work in contest with democratic defections. >> well the camera was away from me for a while, while removing my foot out my mouth.
i think i said olympia snow who has been out for a while. i -- there's a lot of folks outside the white house talking about this, bill shyne, the former -- the controversy around folks news although sexual harassment claims, his roles in handling those. what is his role going to be? how big is his role going to be in this white house? was that issue with fox news and the sexual harassment complaints there, did that -- clearly didn't dissuade the white house, did that concern them at all? >> there's not a lot of evidence that it was a really big issue, as they brought in bill shyne. he was someone who we expected to join the administration for a while. his name has been circulated for months as someone who was likely to come in, he's very close to sean hannity who is very close to president and they speak frequently, so we expected them
to come in. he is supposed to take in a law enforcementer role overseeing the communications shop. it's something that the president has been unhappy with at times, and often feels like he's really the only dependable spokesman for this administration. so, look to see shyne come in, and this could coincide with john kelly leaving. there's some speculation as we get towards the end of the month, we'll will reaching the one-year mark of john kelly's time. we have this intense period we're in right now with the supreme court pick. we have the -- you know the trip next week to europe, and then the big summit with vladimir putin. and that could be viewed as a time in which jonathhn kelly co then transition out of the chief of staff position as someone like a bill shyne comes in. >> we also mention the story about jim jordan from ohio, the freedom caucus, his complains
against the justice deputy, the russia investigation. you have all these accusers stepping forward from a higher play. former wrestlers, they had talked to him about this team doctor and his potential abuse there. the president standing by him, what is the attitude on capitol hill about jordan and what this may or may not do for him in terms of his standing there? >> i think there's a lot of concern. i think there's worry among house republicans, certainly about supporting him too much. this is not the first time a former wrestling coach had been accused of, either turning a blind eye in the case of former speaker dennis, there was a page program scandal even before he had his later issues with inappropriate behavior with young wrestlers. obviously, jordan has not been accused of that. the idea of turning a blind eye
has hurt republicans in the past when it comes to abuse allegations on capitol hill. i think there's a reluctance to get out too far in front of this, the way the president just did. saying he was behind jordan 100%. >> and barbara also, i wanted to ask you about this, news that we got about paul manafort, who of course is being held right now, apparently in solitary confinement. i'm a layman with this stuff, is that an unusual move for somebody in his position? what would the reason be for that? >> as i understand it he's in solitary confinement for his own safety. you do see this from time to time, it's not to punish him but to protect him. it's an administrative reason. sometimes, when you have people who are in jail or prison, who are public officials or high-profile individuals or police officers, the concern is that the general population might harm him.
somebody might want to be a hero and beat him up or make a headline. for his sewn safety he is about held in solitary confinement. if it is for his own safety that may be where he serves best. he say that is causing challenges in his able to prepare for trial. i know the government has responded that the judge in the case has ordered that the prison, the jail, make access to his lawyers reasonably available. so, one hopes that despite the fact that he's not with a cell mate or other members of prison population, he does have the opportunity to prepare for his trail. >> barbara mcquaid, ken thomas, john allen, thank you for being with us on this saturday night. coming up, the president says he need more time to reunite the families at the border. beijing retaliates to new tariff taxes on the products.
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the federal judge in san diego says the trump administration has until tomorrow afternoon to produce a list of the names of 101 young migrant children being held in detension centers. that will apply to kids under 5 years old taken from their parents at the border. during a conference here earlier today, a trump administration asked the judge to extend the deadline to reunite the nearly, 3,000 children separated from their parent. the first court mandated deadline applies to those very
young kids who were supposed to be reunited by tuesday. jul julia angels who join nus a moment says coat, judges acquaint that u.s. -- under the age of 5 by the deadline of july 10th. we're learning today, in some case, reunion flags might not be possible at all. quote, for 19 children, their patterns have been released into custody into the u.s. and their whereabouts are unknown. another 1900 children's parents have been reported. julia amesly and -- thanks to both of you for being with us. julia, first of all, the trump administration basically saying it needs more time here. what is the argue they're making? >> the argument is that the class is bigger than they thought. they thought they were dealing
with 2,000 children separated from their parents. but this dates back before this came into account. so it's almost 3,000 children. the parent are also hard to find. half of them are able to be relocated with parents who in i.c.e. detention. others have been deported, others have been released into the united states and they don't know where they are. an aclu lawyer brought up a really good point on "the call" and say why would the parents will released and not tracked. they're to keep track on who comes into this country. i think what they're getting at, it's very difficult to fine any systematic way to bring these parents and children together, which goes against what we were told just a few weeks ago by the
hhs secretary in the senate when he said reunion flags is more simple than a key stroke. steve. >> well, christina, will the trump administration get the time it's look for here? >> one thing, i done specifically cover immigration policy. one thing i haven't seen covered is what the the penalty for mying that deadline if no deadline is extended or if a deadline is made and that's no in respect. it's not run center where people came in, children have been held and parents left from them. we're talking about a number of different states, people from different countries, different types of status. some people are going back to vinyl places. some people are going back into the united states. in addition to that, we know some of this audit of vetting parents is actually being done by hand, going back through case files. literally reading them and
trying to understand what happened with each particular case and was, you know, a child separated from their parent. that's a whole lot of information to keep track of. they keep releasing these numbers. i'm not necessarily confident their very precise. in general, government can be inper size. the government we know is slow and sometimes the records are not accurate. >> julia, i guess what this points back to is when these separations occurred, no one was taking notes, keeping records. >> that's right. it seems like that would have been the first part of any policy that would separate parents from their children, would be to figure out whose going into hhs custody. where and where are the parents going into custody of the u.s. marshals, that i.c.e. is going, they'd be able to keep a better contact. one thing i want to say on the deadline, the judge made clear, it does look like he made in the deadline at least the children
under 5, he understands the circumstances. he does not want to let the government off the hook in terms of the rheunification of everyone. the judge says it's on rus and extreme for the children have to go back into the country of the parents and to believe to find them. i thought that was really important today. i think what the judge doesn't want is for the government to completely appeal his decision, and to say that they shouldn't have to reunion fie. he wants refind flags and he seems amean bl to extended deadlines and realistic terms if he can find the government is in deba good faith to reunion fie the children and the parents. >> we have another poll from "the washington post", we've been seeing that family separation policy extremely
unpopular. it kinds of extends across the board, 69/29%. the politics there, you can't look at those numbers and see anything positive for administration. the democratic reaction to this story over the last few weeks have given republicans an opening, specifically, the voices you hear, some prominent democrats calling for the abolition of i.c.e. mike pence went to -- this is what he had to say. >> the call to -- it's not just outrage, their irresponsible. abolishing i.c.e. would be more immigration, people being able to come into our country. i want to make it clear to all of you and all of you looking on, under the presidency of donald trump, we will never abolish i.c.e. >> christina, what's your sense
of that? is there something uniquely emotional about the child separation? that's the only thing most voters take from the last few weeks, the case you get from some administrative supporters would be, hey the flask reaction of this is going to be just as relevant too in the election? >> if you have a reasonable conversation that opposing the family separation policy, that are more than likely going to say yes, there should be some rel lags and rules when it comes to immigration policy. or at least an establishment that you might call a government agency that regulators it. the ball of i.c.e. freeze is easy to put on sign but the practice doesn't make a lot of since. joke, get rid of the department of education, the epa. numerous government entities have been targeted i think, on both sides of the aisle. the bigger picture here for me, is the midterm elections.
here in california we have a number of competitive and congressional regions where incumbents are not the most president trump-type republicans. democrats are going to try to do that particularly in places like orange county. los angeles county is fairly democratic but there's one congressional race where there is republican steve knight, he's opinion on the moderate side when it comes to immigration policy. this is an issue that i believe will be a factor and what drives people to the polls in november. >> california, those congressional districts are going to be a big part of the story of election night in november. maybe have the primary votes counted in november. >> many will be next week. here's hoping. >> only a month after the or not day. christina, julie thinks for being with us on a friday night. secretary of state has a second day of talk after
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denuclearizatiion. mr. pompeo's team wants a list of all north korea's nuclear assets. a schedule for dismantle the arsenal and agreement how to verify that pyongyang is keeping its promises. this comes days after u.s. intelligence officials believe that north korea has increased a production of fuel of nuclear weapons in the last six months. pompeo brought kim jong-un a cd of "rocket man" as a gift. rocket man was -- were much higher. >> rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. >> with us tonight, victor chock, korea chair, former security counsel of director for
asian affairs. also with us, retired u.s. army colonel jack jacobs. he earned a metal of honor for his compassionate in vietnam. he's also a military analyst. victor, pompeo wants an accounting of the nuclear arsenal, a plan to dismantle it and procedures to verify it. is he going to get that? >> no, he's not going to get that. it would be nice if he could get all those thing, but it's highly unlikely the north koreans will be willing to do any of those thing on this trip. i think it's more likely he'll be able to bring become a commitment by the north to return the 200 pow mia remains. and maybe a deduction of the missile test site. the problem is, these were thing the president said were already done when he came back from s
singapore. so it won't look like very big deliverables. >> and, colonial he had this report that -- on the flip side, trump has discontinued these military exercises with south carolina. is there a significance there? is that a mistake? >> yeah, it was a big mistake. we have to realize that those exercises, what he call war games, we have every year to verify all of our operational capabilities. test themselves out with our allies, and to train our troops. and to cancel them union laterally doesn't make any sense whatsoever. it giving our adversaries some concern, understanding that we're not going to meet our obligations. and our allies so concern that we're not going to meet our obligations either.
it's -- it's giving away something for nothing. at the end of the day we could -- it reinstitute them, but it doesn't seem we're going to do that. it's something we outstanding to be very much concerned about. when you union laterally decided to do something like this. >> yeah, and victoria, the news again, the reports here that north korea ranched up its activity. i think a layman looking at that would say, isn't that cause to reinstitute the military exercises. does that factor in the administration's posture here at all? >> to me, it's a great report that nbc did. it's not surprising to me that the north koreans are seeking to mask newark -- from administration perspective, the right thing to do would be to say, well, if you're not going to fulfill your obligations, we're not going to fulfill ours.
we'll go back and do the exercises scheduled in august. these employers the colonel said are perfectly clearly. there are no security counsels resolutions banning our exercises with the allies. while there are ten security resolutions burning and masking nuclear fuel. that will be the logical response. the problem i think, the trump administration is so bought into this negotiation now. because the president has already declared victory, that they cannot do things that look like they're walking away from the negotiations, at least not just yet. >> boeyond the meeting this wee, what's the future? the idea that there was some sort of a breakthrough here. if the kind of denuclearizatiion that apparently is pompeo's goal, maybe unlikely to be achieved here. is there a future to this process? >> sell, certainly unlike i, it's just not going to happen. it's all theater.
i think it was staged initially by mr. trump. in order to change the view of him perhaps, as an international player, but north korea's not giving up its nuclear weapons. north korea is a continuing criminal enterprise thats to exist, at least partially because it has nuclear weapons and can threaten people that try to attack them. north korea's not giving up nuclear weapons. united states has already given up the exercises and can only do them again if it cause a back. i think this is all theater. >> you don't see an area where there's a negotiated end denuclearizatiion? >> no no. there may be an negotiated end to the war, i could see that as a possible. that's all paper. if the real objective is to have the north divest itself of its
responded in kind as well as japan. he's threatening an additional 5 $500 billion on tariffs of chinese imports. target products that are most produced in the state that voted for donald trump. joining me to explain it all is one of the all-time veterans of cnn. ron insana. ron, are we in a trade war and how big is it? >> we are in a trade war but it's not the trade war to end all trade wars. you have to go back to the 1930s to see that. deep in the great depression and led to current evaluations, what they call, beggar thy neighbor policy. we're at the beginning of a trade war if the president were to impose that $500,000 on chinese goods. that would be all that china
sends us. that will rattle work market but the economy. >> that was my other question, looking at the stock market today, i think it went up. wall street not yet responding like this is a panic information? >> certainly not panic. wall street's been going sideways since january since we topped out. the nasdaq being strong in technology has been doing well. the russell 2,000, a small cap average that is focused on domestic companies that would not be affected by trade wars have gone to a high. you've seen the market -- parts of the market are reflecting this emerging trade war, the jofr all mark isn't collapsed. it has no china how far, choonz stocks down 23% from their most recent high. >> is there anything from the theory, trump talks about about negotiate, leverage, the start of the idea of starting to go down this road, rattle china, they fete nervous, you've able
to have some leverage to recenter the relationship? >> it may be, china likes to play long games. to the extent that you have a leader that who is leader for life, and you have a president who is a temporary outcome pan of the white house. there are different strategies at work here. the chinese could take the hit for a longer period of time, potentially the u.s. if they chose to do so. right now their economy is faltering a little bit so they may get a little harder. but also companies that import parts from other places, there are companies in the united states that are feeling the affect of higher prices, higher input costs. everybody has something to lose. trade wars are not win-win. they're not even zero-some gains. they're lose-lose. >> the next debt you say it
would elevate to something we saw back in 1930s. is there a sense when the administration would make that decision if it makes that decision? >> i don't think yet. it's moving quickly as it is. the tariffs -- $34 billion worth of tariffs on chinese goods. whether you start going above that level of economic harm, you have to windonder how client wi retaliate. will they drive down the dollar of their own currensy which would make the imports cheaper. they've already reduced tariffs on places from vietnams and other nations. they stopped buying soybeans. this could escalate very quickly. it could get out of control. if that were to happen you could see a global recession. europe's weakening, it could get nasty quickly. the markets are focused more on short-term realities.
the economy here is good, profits like decent in the second quarter. in the longer run when you look out, if this thing were to spin out of control it will be a serious serious problem for the global economies. >> you mentioned going way back, is there any example of a modern president whose don something on a smaller scale? >> yeah, ronald reagan d this with the japanese. if you recall 1950 or so, we were losing import to japan. so, we had some arguments with both japan and germany during that period, but they were amicably resolved and resulted in a strep everything of organizations like the world trade organization. whereas the presidetrump adminin wants to break away from that. if nafta were to break down we would have pulled out of the wto as the president has suggested
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probably already in campaign mode since he's got nominated. democrats trying to win back the house, republicans trying to hang out. we thought we'd take a look at new numberings we've been getting. we talk about trump's approval ratings, special elections. how long the generic bell, when you ask people do you want to work for democrats or republicans in november? we got a bunch of new polls. this is the average. politics keep a consistent average of every poll that comes in. in the average right now, the talk about a month ago, this was collapsing getting close. it's going back towards the democrats, sitting over seven points ahead of the republicans on this question. democrats, they win this thing by seven, they got the house. not necessarily. remember, house elections whether you go the vote nationally, there's a gee dprask advantage, there's the jerry
mannering issues, seven points for democrats, that's probably right around what they need to win that t house. that night get it there for them, it might not. how does that compare? being ahead by seven points to the democrats right now, to the last time we had wave elections. 2006, remember democrats, they won back the house from republicans in '06. george w. bush, post-katrina. iraq was spinning out of control. in '06, if you go back and law school at the polling, pretty steady, you can see it coming. democrats did win pack the house. the next time control flip, the last big wave we had was in 2010. the obama midterm, republicans won back the house at this point in the summer of '10. that was a big win republican of
'10. republicans were ahead generally in the generic ballot, two, six, four, even the ones that had the democrats up. 2010, it want until after labor day that the republican picked up. democrats up seven, that might be enough, that could change though. certainly in 2010 it came into focus. right now, democrats light where we are more than they were a month ago in the generic ballot. but there's may be twists and turns ahead. coming up, record breaking heat. one last thing when "the 11th hour" continues. i'm alex trebek here to tell you
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the last thing before we go tonight is a note about today. you know it's july 6th. it's day 533 of the trump administration. it's exactly four months until the midterm elections. it is also a fillon day. this is the day where the earth's rotation puts the greatest distance between us. we are the farthest from the sun today than we are any of the day of the year. this is different than a summer solstice, that happened on june 21st.
earlier today at 12:46 p.m. on the east, 9:46 p.m. out west, that was the exact moment the earth and the sun were the further apart than they ever get. 94,754,000 than they've ever been. it stars about 9300 miles between them. if we're the farr he's from the sun then why have we been seeing the record high temperatures this week? seasons is tied from the earth's axis, it had nothing to do with the season. we get more in the -- weather is science lesson there for you. that is our broadcast for a
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