tv The 11th Hour With Brian Williams MSNBC July 10, 2018 11:00pm-12:00am PDT
tonight, she won the 15th congressional district also on a write in vote. she beat josie is ranno, the incumbent in that district, but she said she is honored of she beat jose soranno. she said she is excited and honored but she is going to stick with her win in the 14th which means jose sorano is sach in t safe in the 15th. cortez on a write-in vote. that is tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts right now. >> tonight there is nervousness about the greatest military alliance since the second world war because of what the american president might do or say. donald trump is hours away from the start of a nato summit after criticizing nato prior to arrival. after the nato summit and a visit to the uk, a meeting with putin of russia will be the
easiest part of his overseas trip. michael flynn back in court today. 4 the former campaign chairman, paul manafort. good evening from our nbc news headquarters in new york. day 537 of the trump administration and the president is waking up in brussels for a meeting of the nato allies. nato survived a lot of things from wars to terrorism, but it's never had to survive a threat from a president of the united states. one of the nato's founding pillars. the president goes to london and then he meets with putin of russia. here was how the president previewed his own trip today. >> i have nato, i have the uk which is in somewhat turmoil, and i have putin. frankly putin may be the
easiest of them all, who would think. >> would you say putin is a friend or foe? >> i can't say. as far as i'm concerned a competitor. i think that getting along with russia, getting along with china, getting along with others is a good thing and not a bad thing. >> about this nato summit hours from now, "the washington post" gives us this quote. leaders converged on brussels fearful of what the combative u.s. president might say or do to rupture the liberal world order with some european diplomats predicting calamity. european leaders are as concerned about what concessions he might make to putin such as recognizing the annexation as they are about the chaos he could create at the nato summit. the president's last nato visit, his first as president, did not go well. fellow allies were visibly
uncomfortably that criticized the way the alliance is run and pay for. he was giving the heisman maneuver pushing him aside to get to the front. the president went after nato prior to arriving there about the allies and he said the u.s. is suspending many times more to protect them. not fair to the u.s. taxpayer and on top of that we lose $151 billion on trade with the european union. he added this prior to his departure. >> it's going to be an interesting time in the uk and it's going to be an interesting time with nato. nato has not treated us fairly, but we will work something else. we pay far too much and they pay far too little. we will work it out and all countries will be happy. >> during the campaign, he called nato obsolete. president trump's critical comments about america's closest allies drew a rare public rebuke
which we have for you here from the european council president. >> the america appreciate your allies after all you don't have that many. >> the u.s. senate sent a message of its own. senators passed a non-binding motion, but it passed 97-2 reaffirming the u.s. commitment to nato, the alliance, arizona senator john mccain, chairman of the senate armed services committee's statement read no u.s. policy or strategy in europe can succeed without a strong transatlantic alliance. they can have discussions with one another about differences, but unrestrained attacks will only serve to sew dissent and embolden adversaries. let's bring in the lead off panel.
jeremy bash from the cia and the pentagon. a national politics reporter with the associated press and ned price, former senior director to the national security council and happens to be former senior analyst at the cia. jeremy, no other way to put it. these are the oldest and best friends in the world. they have our back. what is going on here? >> we are witnessing the de facto collapse. the one country that feels most emboldened is russia. they have been shooting commercial airliners out of the sky and poisoning western intelligence from the streets of a major american ally and they paid absolutely no consequences and they are getting a significant return for the meddling in the united states election.
the american president is about to declare the nato alliance not just obsolete, but ineffectual and maybe defunct. >> it's really two summits on parallel levels. the leaders level and their photo ops and meals and closed door sessions and all that and then there is the staff meeting. these professional staff members, most of them with multiple summits under their belts conduct their own diplomacy. what's that going to be like given what the top of the ticket is like with the u.s. delegation? >> that's a big part of the problem here. they don't know who to listen to. they are getting such mixed messages out of the u.s. government and on out of the white house itself. you have john bolton arguing for a tougher approach and jim
mattis arguing that the u.s. should be more conciliatory and prop up the alliance. you have the mid-level bureaucrats who are really the place where the actual diplomacy work gets done and they just don't know who to listen to. they don't know if the information they are getting is correct and promises will be followed through on. that's a significant problem in terms of getting the nitty-gritty work of diplomacy done. >> our nation turns their lonely eyes to you. here's what i mean. you get the task of explaining finally what the president is talking about with the balance of payments to nato. as he tells it, you would think we are making all the car payments for someone else to drive the car every day. you would think we are paying for some efemeral security, the benefits of which we never see. what is the nato payment structure.
by how much is the president exaggerating our and their deficit? >> you are right, brian. you would think that if you listened to president trump. president trump is right about thing. there is a 2% non-binding guideline for nato members for their own defense spending. this is what nato members should spend on their own defense. it is not true as president trump says that nato is a leach. that nato is a mooch on u.s. resources. in making that argument, he obscured if not obliterates what we derive from the world's most successful military alliance. the secretary of defense mattis has said. they host 28 military bases, saving us about $2.5 billion. nato is currently today taking part in five active missions to include of course the mission in afghanistan. over time nato contributed 40,000 troops saving the united states some $49 billion. nato in the process losing more than 1,000 of those service
members and nato has come to our aid on a number of occasions to include after 9/11, but after hurricane katrina when they coordinated elements of a rescue mission. all of that is really pennies on the dollar when you think about nato's core mission and what nato does for us. it is about deterrence and ensuring there is not a colossal world war initiatied by russia that would draw in the united states. if that were to pass, it would be trillions of dollars and the u.s. investment in nato because of that is a really smart economical idea. >> i go back to the folks that have our back. you have the president's meeting at the nato summit and the president's meeting with the currently embattled pm of the uk, teresa may. how do you react as a veteran of
pentagon and cia, to hear him say the easiest part of his trip is likely to be his time with vladimir putin? >> it's unbelievable. if you think of the operational activity under way at this hour with many of the service members and intelligence and diplomats serving in many corners of the world and many under fire in the dark, difficult places of the world where america is fighting, we are standing shoulder to shoulder with those from the united kingdom and for the president to undermine the effectiveness of the alliance and say my closest friend is vladimir putin undermines the concept of deterrence and the concept of the alliance which is one of america's greatest strategic assets. >> net ned, british prime
ministers used to really look forward to visiting american presidents. what is the dynamic this time? >> it is flipped on its head. most recently david cameron called president obama to the united kingdom ahead of the brexit vote. the vote didn't turn out how cameron or obama wanted, but it underscored they wanted the u.s. counterparts on british soil to boost their own popularity. with teresa may, donald trump is forbidden from the city of london. he is scared away by a giant balloon depicting a crying baby trump, but it's also because teresa may doesn't want him there. he is going to face a tremendous protest and actually donald trump's visit more than anything else could be another imperilment to her prime minister. she lost a couple of cabinet
ministers and now by hosting donald trump, she is not doing herself any favors. they warned american citizens to avoid large gatherings around the visit of the u.s. president. that's pretty remarkable. >> that gets your attention. let's talk about the group dynamic when the talks were done, air force one was wheels up enroute and a photo started making the rounds at first on social media. this photo kind of became the iconic photo of what we now know the dynamic was like in that gathering. it was very clear president trump liked nothing about this photo and didn't like his positioning with that of merkel of germany. some of the same folks in the photo are going to be at the nato gathering. what must the group dynamic be like hours from now? >> it's not going to be anything like we have ever seen at these summits before.
for those of us who attended them and covered them, this is much more likely to be a transatlantic brawl, what donald trump would prefer and that is not going to come as much of a surprise to the aides in the white house. president trump has been fairly consistent in questioning the value of u.s. alliances for decades. this is actually one of the places where the president has been most consistent in his messaging and certainly our allies know that, too. >> thank you for joining us. we are lucky to have you on board our broadcast. our thanks go out to three terrific professionals. appreciate it very much. coming up for us, mixed signals from paul manafort's lawyers about where he should be detained while awaiting trial. other than away from other
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flynn is awaiting sentencing for lying to the fbi about contact with russians during the trump campaign. he was heckled today and mueller's office asked about his sentencing being postponed. as politico reports, it's unclear why they are balking at sentencing flynn, but it could be out of concern that detailing the investigation would reveal aspects of the mueller probe that are not currently public. president trump's former campaign chair preparing to face trial in two weeks. paul manafort is held at a jail in rural virginia in the countryside. whether he will remain there is in question. it is believed he is being held alone away from the general population of prisoners. his lawyers asked he be moved to a facility closer to d.c. so they could better prepare for trial. a judge agreed, but the attorneys changed their minds saying that issues of distance
and inconvenience must yield to concerns about his safety. the challenges he will face with a new place of confinement. they are trying to get the trial itself moved down south to roanoke, virginia, arguing they can't get a fair trial from a d.c. area jury. josh is back with us and senior white house reporter for politico. chuck rosenberg is back with us, a former u.s. attorney and long time former senior fbi official. thank you both for coming on. starting with you, you were the man in court. what did you see there today? >> the first time we laid eyes on flynn in court for seven months. you may remember the last time he was in court he was in front of a different judge who recused himself from the case. believe it or not, it turned out reason he was in court was because the new judge said he
wanted to have a chance to meet him before he sentences him. it was sort of a technical discussion about how you go about sentencing. the most interesting thing to come out was looking for tea leafs about it to which he may have been cooperating. the lawyer said that he didn't think any new facts would develop in the next few months that would affect the sentencing in any way. that would drain air out of any balloon that people thought he would be testifying in a forth coming trial. that didn't seem to be the case. mueller's people were almost mum during the hearing and we didn't get anything out of them. >> hardly unusual for them. chuck, do you think it's okay to believe that flynn is still being helpful and perhaps they just don't want to do anything too prematurely. >> that's exactly right.
what prosecutors want to do is get all of the cooperation from whoever. in this case mr. flynn, up front. at this point right now, flynn has as much incentive as he ever had to help prosecutors. when that's all said and done, then you go to sentencing. that is what is in federal courts. the only thing unusual today is that the judge said he wanted to lay eyes on flynn before the sentencing. that's a little bit odd, but not a big deal. >> what's going on with manafort. this is not we should emphasize, this is not oz where he is being held. i don't think he is under great risk of getting shanked in the cafeteria. he is away from the general population. why this confusion over where he wants and what set it is of bars he wants to look out prior to trial?
he is in the vip wing and it is a confusing set of tactics and actions by the attorneys. they are fighting to have him released for a couple of weeks and they have been complaining that this was interfering for the ability to prepare him for trial to have him so much from washington and they couldn't share document that is critical to the bank fraud and tax fraud case he will be facing. when the judge doesn't spring him, but decides to move him to alexandria, virginia, close to d.c., that would make things easier and they don't want to have him moved. i think it's going to damage their credibility with the judge in alexandria and under cuts the effort to delay the trial and may be a problem with their credibility going forward. >> they ask for a change of venue and the feeling is they
get a better jury selection and do you believe there is any merit to that? >> i a lot of people ask for it and few get it. i can think of a prominent case where there was a change of venue and the trial was moved from oklahoma city. the trial of timothy mcveigh was moved from oklahoma city to denver. i was a u.s. attorney for part of the 9/11 trial. we were able to find a fair and impartial jury. that's what it comes down to. can the federal judge presighting over the trial empanel a fair and impartial jury. the answer is almost inevitably
yes, particularly in a metropolitan area the size of northern virginia. they will find a fair jury. there is no reason for this case to go to roanoke. >> i have one for you. the latest version of a question i ask you regularly, about every month. i ask you as the patriot i know you to be. when you worry about the path we are on, what knowledge or memory sustains you that all is going to end well and be okay? >> i'm confident that bob mueller is not listening to anything that i say and that gives me comfort. this is a man driven by facts and law and not driven by headlines and publicity. he is going to do the right thing today, tomorrow, and the next week. that's all he has ever done in his life. the right thing. i get great comfort and take comfort in the man that i know
and the man that i work for and the man they don't hear from now because he's doing his job every single day. >> josh and chuck, two terrific gets on another interesting night. thank you. and coming up for us, if he is successful, he will be justice kavanaugh. if not, that will mean the democrats have won what some are calling the most important fight of their political lives. that and more after this break. ♪ tired of wrestling with seemingly impossible cleaning tasks? sprays in the bathroom can be ineffective. try mr. clean magic eraser with durafoam. simply add water, to remove soap scum. try mr. clean magic eraser with durafoam.
>> i'm going to be asking for my own sit down with him. i never met him. i'm anxious to meet him and to be able to visit with him on one. so there is work that we all have in front of us and i'm looking forward to rolling up my sleeves and getting to work. >> i know that he is held in high regard by many attorneys and judges whom i know, but obviously he needs to go through the full vetting process and very much look forward to meeting with him in my office. >> right there, representing the states of alaska and maine, two republican senators if brett kavanaugh is to be confirmed and sworn in as justice kavanaugh. today was his first day on capitol hill where he met with the majority leader mitch mcconnell. the sherpa was there on the
right, former arizona republican senator john kyle with him to help him make the rounds, getting to know you type deal. president trump's nominee met with the senate judiciary chairman, chuck grassley who called kavanaugh a respected jurist with outstanding opinions. the loud pr campaigns for and against his confirmation are well under way. democratic senators went for sheer volume after the nominee was announced. >> we must convince the senate to do the right thing and stand against kavanaugh. >> we have the american people on our side. now we have to go state by state by state to make sure that senators do what they their constituents want. >> i want to tell you right now. we will not go backwards! we will not surrender.
we will not move. we will go forward. >> judge kavanaugh has been sitting on a preapproved list of right wing nominees for eight months now. i have reviewed his record and let me tell you, brett kavanaugh did not end up on this list because he is the consensus nominee. >> that's pretty much how that went. michael scherrer said groups on both sides prepared multimillion-dollar digital and television ad campaigns even before president trump's announcement that brett kavanaugh will be his nominee. the battle plans were in place and the arguments have been framed. what happens next is a no holds barred fight for public opinion and senate votes that history suggests the president is heavily favored to win. at least one organization, the women's march might have shot itself in the foot last night.
a foxnews.com reporter grabbed a screen shot of a press release from the organization calling for the defeat of the nominee, but the two xs indicated it was written before we knew who the nominee was going to be. talking about the aforementioned reporters for "the washington post" and nancy cook back with us as well. white house reporter for politico. i know some of this is going-over already plowed ground. where do you put the odds? we know what the math is even without john mccain as a live voting member in the senate chamber when it happens. >> if you watch the body language of murkowski and collins and they are the key votes. one alone if the democrats can sink the nominations if mccain doesn't return could sink the nomination. the body language was to say of course we are going to go through the process and do a thorough review, but there were no immediate warning signs
flashing from either of them. that suggests that this is going to be a very difficult path for democrats unless something comes out and we have been through enough to know that something could come out. kavanaugh has a long paper trail and they will do due diligence. both sides will dig deep and talk to people and anyone who has a complaint about him will have an opportunity to come forward to the committee. if they have a credible complaint and something new comes out, that could affect the outcome. >> earl warren was a governor and the governors bring a record to the supreme court. a rookie member of the federal bench who has not written much would be more of an enigma. we are talking about 300 opinions, give or take. let me ask you something lightly
infused, that is how are they going to come at this guy? >> i think democrats are planning to go after him a few ways. they are planning to go after the idea that he could roll back roe v. wade and reinstructive rights and he could undo gun control restrictions and dismantle the affordable care act and the new strategy they hit on after knowing who the on nominee is is that he could impede impeachment proceedings if the democrats took back the house. kavanaugh has written on presidential power. he is a big believer in executive authority and has written before that presidents should not necessarily be burdened by criminal investigations. this was informed by his own work during the starr investigation and during the clinton days and work he did in the bush administration. democrats are really planning to go after that idea that he could really stand in the way of the mueller investigation if mueller
tries to subpoena trump and the supreme court somehow gets involved. >> that piece of writing nancy mentioned, i'm surprised this law journal has not crashed its websites with google searching. it's because of that writing with presidents and power and freedom that chuck schumer said what he did. we will talk to you on the other side. >> why was kavanaugh chosen?
because the thing that the president is most obsessed with is the mueller investigation and kavanaugh is the strongest against such an investigation. the strongest in believing the president even if he thinks it was unconstitutional doesn't have to obey it. it's out of the mainstream, but just what president trump would want. >> there they are on the steps of the supreme court and michael, chuck schumer went there. he got hired in effect because of what he wrote about president in a similar circumstance. >> i wouldn't be surprised if trump did and i'm sure he did take that into consideration and it's worth pointing out what kavanaugh said in the article. he was not saying that as a judge you should rule that a president can't be investigated or shouldn't be charged in office. he even said at one point that the previous decision and a civil lawsuit can be brought against a sitting president may well have been properly decided. he was arguing for a law that congress should pass. that will be his defense or his clarification when we get to the hearings and democrats attack him on this point. it's absolutely true that kavanaugh has a long record as a judge arguing for a broad reading of executive power. that's something else that may have been attractive to trump as well.
>> he is a collection of traits so while i'm sure he was happy about kavanaugh's resume, the part that said yale college and yale law school, he was unhappy with the headline calling the nominee a bush appointee. what's the level of bullishness that you are able to measure on the republican side. white house, senate republicans. >> i think the white house and conservative groups will play a key in pushing for kavanaugh and advocating if are him and also the senate leadership are feeling cautiously optimistic about their pick. they are trying to really at this point paint kavanaugh as someone who is well qualified in terms of academic credentials and a long record. someone they feel will be fair. the comments that we saw from collins and murkowski today as michael said earlier indicated that i think they seem to be cautiously in favor of kavanaugh. that was the democrats's best hope of stopping him.
the white house is hoping to pick off the vulnerable senate democrats up for re-election and get them to vote for kavanaugh. it is worth noting that three of the senators did vote for neal gorsuch and the white house is it going to make that a key talking point as they try to woo them to vote for kavanaugh. >> anything could happen to this nominee as he starts down this road to confirmation hearings. we will be watching for all of it. our thanks to michael scherrer and nancy cook. thank you very much. coming up for us, this could be the most consequential few days in the history of the postwar alliance between the u.s. and europe. nothing less. we will talk about some of the
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we need to absolute stand firm with our nato allies and the transatlanta partnership in general. what would be disastrous is to have a negative nato meeting and then do something with putin that further destabilizes the relationship. again, i can't overemphasize the concern that we felt last week with friends in other countries. leaders in other countries. i hope that, again, that's not what occurs at nato. >> that's what he sounds like when he is spun up about something. republican chair of foreign relations in the senate worried about president trump's european trip shortly after corker said that.
the senate echoed support for nato. at the top of the broadcast, they passed a motion to reaffirm the commitment. this is symbolic and not binding, but the margin was overwhelming, 97-2. with the president's first public appearance with the nato allies just hours away, we thought we would do the only thing that made sense to us and that is bring in bill kristol. veteran of the reagan and bush administrations and the weekly standard. my first question to you, describe nato's value to you and describe your level of anxiety about nato on the eve of the summit. >> nato has been around for my entire adult and it's such a core of the western alliance and the cold war days and the military alliance and after, but as an important symbolic political alliance and if you talk to people from central and
eastern europe, you say how did you progress, these are not countries with huge traditions. they have challenges from the right and the left. some say the eu, but some say nato helped us link us into the west and having germany into nato after the berlin wall fell. they unified germany. we don't know what a world without nato will look like and maybe it will be fine, but it's a heck of a risk to take. i'm struck that bob corker who is cautious and sober is as alarmed as he is. i'm struck that jeremy bash is struck to see it. nato will survive trump. i think the fact that he felt he wanted to tweet that and try to say it's not as dire as you
think is itself extremely significant. no one would say nato would survive bush or clinton or obama or reagan. i think it's worrisome. i would have been with mike. yeah, at the end of the day, nato will survive. trump is doing damage, but the alliance has been there so long, but i am now worried. trump in the last few days and the attacks on our nato allies and they almost manufactured grievances that he wants to litigate over and over and bine that with the friendship with putin, could he want to have it fall apart or be so reckless that it does fall apart? could he be so reckless that it really does fall apart? >> this leads me to a question, where are the grown ups and i mean both parties. where are the grown ups who can say, for example, mr. president,
you are playing with house money. we don't want just you and putin and two translators in the room, especially coming off the north korea example. we need professionals in the room with you so we know what is said for all time. >> brian, you mentioned earlier nato trip which was fairly disastrous. hr mcmaster had been the national security adviser replaced mike flynn. i thought that was a moment for a chance for stability and reasonableness. mcmaster and others and jim mattis and rex tillerson persuaded the president to walk back the damage he had done. i think that has been an under appreciated and under reported part of what happened over the last few months. he didn't get along with him and trump didn't like him that much and mcmaster kept things on track.
mattis and pompeo would if they were left alone would check trump and be in the white house. i'm not sure john bolton is trying to do what hr mc master is doing. finally trump got and hr master is no longer security adviser. >> you have 30 seconds to be brilliant before we have to take a break. he is meeting with our oldest and best friends. nato summit and the u.k. the president calls the putin portion the easiest part of his trip. >> what do you think if you are a nato ally and putin is consistently treated better than than all of our nato allies. it's an amazing thing that i said that, but that's a true statement. >> we would like to invite you back when we know what transpires in europe. thank you so much. it's a pleasure to have you on the broadcast.
bill kristol with us in washington. the trump administration misses a deadline that was ordered up by a federal judge to reunite the youngest children who have been separated from their parents. families who last saw each other when they came across the border into this country or tried to. we will get a late update on the progress or lack of it, after this.
a lot to cover here tonight. new topic, immigration and family separation. today marks the deadline to reunite children under the age of 5 who were separated doug their parents by our government's so-called zero tolerance policy at the border. according to the department of health and human services though, of the 102 children who fit the description of that age group, they expect only 38 to be reunited. they say 24 children are not
eligible at this time for whatever reason. and a problem we knew would arise, 12 parents have already been deported. the president was asked today about missing this deadline that was ordered by a federal judge. >> the government not going to be able to meet the deadline to return these children? >> well, i have a solution. tell people not to come to our country illegally. that's the solution. don't come to our country illegally. come like other people do, come legally. >> mr. president, you're punishing. >> i'm saying very simply. we have laws. we have borders. don't come to our country illegally. it's not a good thing. >> of course, coming here seeking asylum is perfectly legal. asylum seekers have been protected under federal law since the refugee act made it formal in 1980. while there were reunions today of children and their parents in various places in this country,
not near as many as there could have been. hhs says the delay is because of safety precautions being taken to protect the remaining children. we heard this today doug one mother whose child was separated from her at the board. >> the federal judge who set the deadline earlier said while he's satisfied with the progress made, "these are firm deadlines. these are not aspirational goals." the next deadline is 16 days away. it requires the under 3,000 kids ranging from the next age group, 5 to 17 years of age to be reunited with their parents. and while the government is struggling to fix the crisis of family separation, this breaking news headline tonight from the "new york times" likely not what the white house was hoping for. "trump administration returns
to catch and release of migrants." they report inside "the government said on tuesday that it will release hundreds of migrant families wearing ankle bracelet monitors into the united states effectively returning to the catch and release policy that president trump promised to eliminate." we will stay on the story. coming up, their governments in a bit of a crisis. then donald trump is due to visit later this week. but we'll show you why things were looking up today in the london.
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