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i will see you tomorrow night at 6:00 p.m. eastern. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. our man in brussels, let's play "hardball." >> good evening, i'm chris matthews. president trump handed vladimir putin a big gift. he antagonized american allies at summit in brussels. a remarkable scene before the summit began trump publicly rebuked. most incredibly given trump's affinity for vladimir putin, he attacked germany for having an energy deal with moscow, ironically calling them a
captive of russia. let's watch. >> germany is totally controlled by russia because they are getting 60% to 70% of their energy from russia and a new pipeline. and you tell me if that is appropriate. >> despite all of these differences, we have been able to unit and protect and defend each other. >> how can you be together when a country is getting its energy from the person you want protection against or from the group you want protection. >> because when we stand together, also dealing with russia, we are stronger and think what we have seen. >> no, you are making russia richer. ja germany as far as i am concerned is captive to russia. >> it is like john mcenroe argue
with a ref. watching from the sidelines as the president continues to berate the secretary general of nato. the question is why. the only beneficiary of trump's halvock is vladimir putin who has been rooting for the collapse of nato. telling megan kelly, it would help russia. >> does this squabbling help nato. >> translator: well insuri a se that maybe they should completely falling apart. we don't see that just yet. >> well there is a smile in the little guy. joining me now is richard
blumenthal senator from condition condition. foreign british minister. now the president ceo of the international rescue community. and white house correspondent. i want to start with senator blumenthal, i believe he is embarrassing us over there. i don't mean progressives or independents or reasonable trump resistant. why would he start a fight in the kitchen with all of nato? >> he is essentially playing from vladimir putin's playbook. vladimir putin wants to sew discordant division. in other words, within germany, emboldening the right wing which
is also trump's playbook. so it is really an insidious, not just embarrassing, but disgraceful. these allies have stood by our side, shed blood, sacrificed lives, spent treasure. we are going to need these allies at some point and we are antagonizing the folks who are our friends just so the president, donald trump can create space for possible concessions. even more alarming than what he just said, disgraceful as it is are the concessions that he may make with vladimir putin. >> when you read about back in
'45, to win favor or to chat up stalin. what is going on here? >> chris, i think teasing is different from raising. and you do need to have a historical perspective. it is right that you look back across the last 70 years and this has been the longest period of piece and prosperity across the atlantic. good for europeans and americans as well. he thought the european union had been set up to humiliate america and that is at the heart of what he is propagating. it is important to note that europeans in a strange way are being united. europeans are staring in disbelief but recognizing they have to take more matters into
their own happens. you are going to see a great unity. >> churchill said that john foster, our foreign minister is a bull that carried his china shop around with him. do you think that president trump has a brain soup problem. he has to pick fights. it seems to me he just wanted to be seen on television fighting. >> certainly there is the pugilism of american politics is understood across europe. what people can't understand is that he is picking a fight less with the general of nato and more about mrs. merkel.
rather tartly rebuked the president this afternoon in pointing out she knew what it meantime to be free of soviet domination. germany has taken a tougher line with the russians. and we are living at a time, this is the week when germ warfare has been used on british streets. a time where we know there has been cyber warfare. never mind the invasions of georgia and ukraine. pointing out it is striking out in a world way abroad. a divided nato is no nato at all. >> last question to you in this segment. do you think trump is responding to the dossier, he is afraid what trump has got on him -- i mean what putin has got.
>> you can see there is domestic play here. group of americans who are clearly riled by what they per steve be european progress in the face of american stagnation. the statistics don't bear that out. the period of trance atlantic corporation has been marked by gains prosperity in both sides. the german hosting of american troops is actually a con trib b -- contribution. >> do you think the president is playing for the home crowd? >> when president trump blasted this brussels summit, there are people saying he is playing into the hands of russia. in reality, there is this idea that he is projecting what people say about him on to germany. people say president trump is influenced by russia. that the mueller investigation is looking at whether or not
russia had an influence on his campaign and colluded. he has to hand his base and say what are you doing for us. in some ways he was definitely playing to his base. wanting to look like a strong man in europe. he was very clear he was going to antagonize our allies. in this case, he is keeping his promise, he is basically in line with what he said he was going to do so in this case, he is thinking about home when he does this. >> he is posing with another fe fe felllow there. his up coming encounter would actually be easier than dealing with nato and the uk. >> nato has not treated us fairly, but i think we will work
something out. we pay far too much and they pay far too little. i have nato, and i have the uk, and i have putin. frankly, putin may be the easiest of them all. who would think? >> another indication that trump has no problem trashing american's closest allies. here he goes. >> did we have a good relationship with russia? believe me, that is a good thing. a fantastic thing if we got along with russia and with putin. >> i hope we do have good relationships with russia. i have been saying it for years. >> i think it is very important to get along with russia. >> i think i could have a very good relationship with russia and with president putin and if it did, it would be a great thing. >> that's a good thing not a bad thing. >> getting along with russia
would be a good thing, and not a bad thing and just about everybody agrees with that except very stupid people. >> there we are. let's get back to david corn. what is driving him to trash our good friends for decades, in fact, centuries. >> have you ever heard him say it would be a good thing to have a good relationship with our allies, with germany, with canada. he doesn't say that about anything else other than russia. >> do you believe the dossier is driving him? >> not necessarily. there is something psychological. when it comes to justin trudeau, angela merkel, i don't think he believes he is an equal. he resents the fact that they want to be equal with him.
he sees a guy who he wants to be accepted by and who he wants to e emulate a strong man. >> merkel is far more impressive. >> well she is a woman and she is not an oligarch. >> there is your best shop, why is he kissing up to be blunt about it at the expense of our allies. >> he is either beholden to put ti -- puttin. but the mere fact that you are asking the question, chris, is the most dangerous and frightening part of this whole thing and let me make this point
and it may be the most important point i have to make. donald trump doesn't speak for america. even as he went to europe, passed a resolution saying to nato, we are with you. and we want you to be with us. we are not abandoning this historic relationship. that resolution was approved 98 to two. >> of course most of us grew up knowing that. it was used as a counter balance against the ussr alliance which included the satellite. the warsaw pack dissolved. many of the countries the u.ssr once. now on the western side and he is all alone out there. the feeling that i get is that
trump is going over to vladimir putin who lost the cold war, his country did, and he is a kgb separative, probably one of the killers from the kgb. sitting there with no allies and no satellites. and wants to ruin our deal. because the american alliance is strong as ever. why is trump doing this for him. why is he breaking up the west the way history broke up the east. >> unlike the g7 which is a trade club, president trump has to do a lot to get out of nato. and even though he has all of this rhetoric and is talking a lot. i spoke with nato sources here, and a lot of people from different countries and they said that president trump's rhetoric isn't changing day-to-day operations. president trump could loosen
by -- there are a lot of people who are worried that when we sits down with vladimir putin that he is going to give away some of that stuff and nato allies don't know what to think. they are very, very worried about that. so we won't know until monday until after that meeting. president trump wants to look like a strong man. he wants to talk to his base and feel like he is not taking advantage of. as i mentioned earlier today, chief of staff john kelly looked particularly uncomfortable. however, according to press secreta secretary. they are covering for him. >> they should be embarrassed every waking moment. he is out there saying putin is
fine. he invaded ukraine. government implemented in using. my fear is we won't know. we won't know what happens in the room. >> i think we will find out eventually. senator blumenthal, thank you for coming here. david, thank you very much. i think you should be prime minister of that country. david corn, a russian expert. trump's base might see the president humiliate our allies. i don't think so. as the senator just said, americans like nato. we were in the tough fights together and we won. plus, growing desperations
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tell nato, you got to start paying your bills. united states is not going to take care of everything. >> welcome back to "hardball." president trump playing to his crowd in montana. regardless of the fact that more than half of a century, it has been republican orthodox wanting a strong nato alliance. trump over in brussels continuing his attack on our allies. by a vote of 97-2 reaffirming our support of nato. warned that the president's performance in europe could have adver adverse consequences. >> very concerned that we have a rough meeting with nato. and conciliatory meeting with
putin and it works against our country's national interest. >> joining me contributing editor for the weekly standard. thank you. charlie first, how is this playing? is this selling out there, the pouncing on the nato. >> what is his big slogan? it is america first. look at what the language was before world war ii, mocking the europeans. there is a long isolationism in this country. the republican party as you pointed out has rejected that since world war ii. but he is tapping into something that has been around a very, very long time. now how does it play in peoria?
in the next week, we are going to see this dramatic contrast once again. the disdain of the democratic leaders and the fawning praise of vladimir putin. whatever happened today, it can and will get worse. >> i just want to nail this down. arthur vandenberg, they ended that. you are stayings baaying it is e republican party, this isolationism. >> that doesn't necessarily mean the buchanan wing of the party, it is not still there. and donald trump has appealed to that. plus he needs an enemy, a foil and so mocking the germans and
the french is convenient for him. >> i have been reading a lot and steve, now the name escapes me, steve kornacki's book. voiced more loudly by, you know, president trump. but there is a big difference. pat was a big believer in western values and here he is, this president of ours humiliating us. trying to destroy the western alliance. >> your thoughts. >> it is a fascinating debate. when you think back to buick --
what president trump is doing is so different. he is applying that transactional business veneer and making that american foreign policy and he is leaving the hawks in this odd position like senator bob corker, someone who wants to boil it all down to spending over the military. >> your notes today, ruining the history and the cultural alliance that has been important to us as americans. our united relations with france and england. i said the president was talking like popeye doyle. is that what is still driving this president? >> going back to freedom fries. this kind of strident
nationalism. what president trump is doing is not arguing against the west. not making a case against europe. he is just making it about personality against all of these different leaders who he thinks is ripping off the united states. and all of these counterparts are trying to make the case. but he really just wants to say are you paying enough and do i have a rapport with you or not. all of these leaders are playing on different checkers boards and not saying the same thing >> they look better than us on this baby. not everyone in his administration shares the same view. secretary of state mike pompeo praised the organization writing nato is the most successful alliance in history. all nato ally haves committed to extending this success through
increased defense spending. charlie, i want to get back to you on tpsychology of this president. i get the feeling he is jealous. jealous of justin trudeau. and jealous of angela merkel. what is it about this guy? >> well, he is also the kid on the playground who sees somebody that he can bully as opposed to this strong men that he admires. bob costa made a number of strong points. you want to think about the moral and historical basis of nato. he doesn't think of this in terms of values and the shared history. he thinks of it in terms of the
chemistry and the lack of it. remember what the marshall plan was. but contrast this with the dollars and sense ledger approach that donald trump is now taking to this alliance. one that began with an extraordinary act of generosity but also an understanding of the dynamics and the requirement of this alliance and what it represented. and here you have the president of the united states reducing it to have you paid me this week. >> roosevelt said if your neighbor's house is on fire, it is smart to lend him your fire hose because your house is next to his house. thank you. up next, the trump administration yesterday missed a deadline big surprise to reunite some of the migrant children with their parents.
and we covered it. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ welcome back to "hardball." the trump administration had until yesterday to reunite roughly 100 migrant children under the age of five with their parents. that deadline came and went with
the government insisting that by the end of the day 38 would be reunited. the judge in california insisted that there would be no extension. warning these are firm deadlines not aspirational goals. the government had an obligation to reunite these families. still unclear how it will comply with the next deadline when it has to reunite 3,000 older children with their families. joined by julia ainsley. tell us where it stands and how worse it is going to get. >> the news we expected to hear today is that they had successfully reunited 34 children yesterday. it said they were eligible. everybody in place. they were going to reunify.
they are now a day past the t deadline and only four people have been reunited. a lot of complicated cases that they go through. people with criminal histories. one with an infectious disease. the majority of the parents came in with their children and are here and ready to take care of their children but they are in detention, deported or released. and sometimes i.c.e. has a hard time finding them which is hard to believe given that the government started the policy to begin with. >> these kids aren't human boomerangs. firstly you have to put a one-year-old or two-year-old on an airplane and somebody travels
with them. and there are phone systems in the country. you call up the foster parent saying we are going to pick up the kid. >> it seems that the majority of the case, these kids were not sent out to foster homes. the average time the child would spend in hhs care would be 60 days. so most of them is in hhs care which means it should be easy for the government to track them down. they interviewed 3,000 children in hhs care. you just said how young some of these children are. >> what is your mommy's name? >> exactly. >> what would have happened if they would not have the whistle blown on them. did they ever have a plan of reuniting the kids with their parents? >> not clear if they did.
you are given an a number. a child given a number and a parent with a different number. never a clear way how the government was going to bring the children together. they move the parents to a detention center near where the child was staying. it is complicated. >> this looks like, makes katrina look like disney world. thank you. new signs that michael cohen might be turning on president trump. his new layer says cohen has a new attitude on life right now. trump's brash talk over in europe. was this a warm up act for the president's visit. you are watching "hardball." i tend to play the tough guy.
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there are new signs that michael cohen, you know him, president trump's personal attorney general and fixer may be ready even if it means turning over his former boss. he said family and country are his first loyalty. now his new lawyer, lanny davis is speaking out about the interview and what we should expect from cohen. >> there is a reason that he took these contrary positions. the reason he said is i will not be a punching bag as part of somebody else's defense strategy. this was a declaration of independence. you can sum it up by saying this
is a new michael cohen with a new attitude about speaking his mind. >> he is reading his notes here. joined by national reporter of the boston globe. clarence page, chicago tribune. and cnn analyst. >> i think he wants something from the president. sending a message to the president. >> you mean he might not flip if he is given something like a pardon. >> well, or legal bills. >> announcing his possible flip, i think he is going to flip, what do you think? >> i think it is part of it. but michael cohen is trying to establish his own political independence. lanny davis isn't really his lawyer in the courtroom. lanny davis is a clinton person, out there all the time.
he knows how to spin on television. and if michael cohen can't get money out of the old people, maybe he might get it from friends of bill clinton. what do you think this john macc mcenroe at breakfast? >> he was a different trump. he didn't change -- >> did he know the camera is on him? >> yeah. very much so. he even smiled. >> with his language, he was trying to make nice. but trashing her country in the morning. >> i actually watched and saw something else which is that merkel didn't even want to look at him. she was staring into space. and you got a sense that she wanted to pop out of her chair and get out of her chair.
>> i thought john kelly wanted to pop out. >> we all have funs with the royals. with kate and the rest of them. and how is the president going to embarrass us tomorrow when he goes to windsor castle, with the queen >> i am extrapolating here, but i think the queen would much rather be judging a sheep shearing contest in scotland. >> i am relying on melania here. and it is possible that he will be so overwhelmed by the brand who is the queen, he will keep his mouth shut. >> he may investigate the plumbing which he did in the white house. quote trump and first lady
melania trump will meet queen elizabeth for tea at windsor castle on friday. the meeting will include a royal salute, a playing of the star-spangled banner. and a military march. in the past, trump has made crude comments. so he has been borish as trump. >> he has been obsessed with them for years. he lied and said prince charles and princess diana were members of mar-a-lago. he wan he wanted them to be part of
hihis brand. >> donald trump has been banned from london. the mayor of london said don't come here. none of the usual ruffles and flourishes. this is the bargain package. this is not the deluxe suite. and wait until donald trump figures that out. >> i want to give you full time, we have a lot of time tonight just for you. >> don't believe. >> it seems to me that trump has to have a, his protocol director, has to give him what to say. >> we will see how well. >> i don't believe in any of that stuff. how is that golf game? >> he will be impressed with the military march. nobody beats the brits when it comes to the ceremony. it is fantastic.
he will find a way to make himself part of the story. >> you may remember that during last year's nato meeting, the president had enough to being the odd man out and shoved aside the minister of montenegro. president trump's body language during nato events wednesday, suggested his relationships with key u.s. allies aren't exactly buddy-buddy. gesturing and repeatedly interrupting him in the process. h howard, it is a mcenroe type of event here. >> the concept of allies as a group is something that is abhorrent to donald trump because his upbringing from his
dad is don't trust anybody. and screw them before they screw you. the idea of nato is obnoxious to him. we are not doing that much business with russia, we are doing a ton of business with nato. trump thinks i am going to get the advantage on them by acting crazy. his psychological motivation is i don't want any allies. i want everything bilateral to come through me. >> okay. will michael cohen flip? i want an answer. >> it depends on whether he trusts donald trump or not. >> would you? >> he is different from me. if he trusts trump to pardon him
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history. the president embarrasses us. his performance this morning in brussels is one example. he has a problem with angela merkel and with justin trudeau. it seems to be some kind of jealousy, the jealousy the young feel when they see somebody else with better toys or a nicer dress. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." >> we are protecting everybody and paying a lot of money to protect. >> the president picks a fight with germany. >> frankly putin may be the easiest of them all. who would think. >>