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thanks for watching. and to keep the conversation going, like us at nation and follow us on twitter at politics nation. i'll see you back here next sunday. now to my colleague kasie hunt. ♪ ♪ >> welcome to "kasie d.c." i'm kasie hunt. we are live every sunday from washington from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. tonight, brand-new nbc polling just out about the president and his handling of all things russia in light of the historic summit. and senator richard blumenthal joins us as paul manafort's trial gets ready to start and michael cohen drops his first mix tape. plus this time last sunday we were talking to bill broader about the summit with putin. he's going to join us live tonight after the russian president name chikd him on the
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world stage. and later states of play. democrats are serious about taking back the senate. heidi high camp will have to hold on to north dakota. we have new reporting on why it could be tariffs, not russia, that make the difference there. but first it's hard to believe that this time last week we were previewing the president's meeting with vladimir putin. but, of course, we are apparently living in a different space time continuum here in 2018 where even gravity works differently. but more on that in a moment. all of that happened before friday when "the new york times" dropped that bombshell report about michael cohen and his recording of president trump. then came saturday when the d.o.j. made the documents about surveilling former trump campaign aid carter page public. and don't forget about paul manafort whose trial begins this week in virginia. along with a reminder that the president's former campaign chairman has been sitting in jail for over a month as he prepares to face a jury. but back to that part about
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gravity. the president's approval rating is ticking up, not down. a brand-new poll from nbc news and the "wall street journal" conducted before and after the helsinki summit shows the president approval rating at 45%. that is up 1 point from june. among republicans, that number is 88%, the highest ever his entire presidency. with that, i would like to welcome in my panel. joining me on set national nbc news julia ainsley. bbc world america and msnbc contributor katty kay. and principal at cogent strategy kevin mclaughlin. thank you all for being here. kevin, i would like to start with you. >> yes, ma'am. >> i would like you to explain why it is 88% of americans approve of president trump considering what saw contradicts republican orthodoxy for years. >> president trump has shown throughout his campaign and
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polling what i took away from the 2016 election is the american people want uh th authenticity. may not like what authenticity is, what he's saying or how he's doing it, but he doesn't back down from it. when he goes out and does these events, i will call them, it actually helps him in fly over country. the outrage you see is in the corridor where we all live and work. when we get out of here people say he's a knuckle head and stuff like that. we understand what he's doing can hurt us personally, but we have to make sacrifices. >> when he says he could walk down 5th avenue and shoot somebody -- >> he defies political gravity. i was thinking the exact same thing. >> the poll number that struck me was the poll that came out earlier last week, reuters poll that said only 32% of republicans believe russia
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meddled in the 2016 election. they do not agree with the assessment of the intelligence community. for republicans to say we don't believe the cia, fbi and nsa, we are siding with the president on this is fairly remarkable. i think the one thing that is the divergence, the prospect of tariffs. you see signs republican voters are still not comfortable with that and the republican party is still not comfortable with that. if the tariffs start hitting the president, it's not going to be russia, it's going to be the economy. >> i would say that's very true. when you look at tracking, russia doesn't register on the radar for what people care about. it is literally not even close to the top 15 issue. >> julie, this is the strategy the trump campaign has been running as well, to cast doubt on whether this meddling ever happened. >> absolutely. we're used to seeing republicans go to war with democrats but not their own justice and intelligence community. what you're talking about, the polling, reuters poll, is showing that people are not trusting the intelligence community. they're not trusting the justice
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department. >> they're trusting the president's tweets. >> exactly. they're trusting that instead. they think they're living under a new time when it comes to the justice department. i hear that sometimes. what happened to the justice department we used to know? the majority of those career investigators are still there and they're continuing the same investigations. but we are looking through it through a different prism now. we're looking at it through trump's prism, at least a lot of republicans are who believe they have a president who wants to meet with people, reach across to people who used to be adversaries like kim jong-un and vladimir putin because they think it can help them in the end without actually looking at how this president is able to stand up to someone like vladimir putin amid all of these accusations -- not just accusations, documented evidence of 12 russian intelligence officers and the specifics and how they hacked into the democratic party. >> it strikes me that this is sort of the "end game" for talking about fake news and casting doubt repeatedly on the media, right?
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this is a situation where he has created a universe where nobody believes anything any of the fact checkers say. >> every single time the president tweets fake news or witch hunt, all of the polling suggests it's working. this is a very smart strategy from the president's point of view. he is leading public opinion in a different direction. one of the more startling shifts in public opinion that we have seen -- we haven't seen it on tariffs, but we have seen it on general attitudes with russia, with more republicans generally more favorable -- take the mueller investigation aside, take election meddling aside. views have changed in the republican party. that is almost entirely due to donald trump. >> but i think it is larger than that. i don't think this is an end game we're at with trump. it's a lack of faith in institutions. it's not just press. there's a lot of blame to go around from a lot of years. the most recent example for me -- i'm not picking on nancy ploegs i, she said tax cuts would cause armageddon. manage expectations just a smidge. it's impossible. it's just not true.
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and i think that we've seen that on both sides of the aisle from the press, from all over the place where people say, this is it. the deficit, everything, it's all going to explode. and people out where i'm from, minneapolis, are like, we wake up in the morning. it didn't explode. so i think we have a huge problem. this is where i go back to with president trump and his authenticity. whether or not you like it is not what people are judging him on. people are judging him based on delivering. he knows that. >> do you think it's true -- for so many years, when i started covering politics, the action i don't mean w-- action i don't mean was people wanted to get things done. people ran on bipartisan ship. here are the examples of how i worked with people on the other side. that does not seem to be what the electorate is interested in now. >> i think we've known that since -- the idea donald trump had a time frame in which he had to deliver on his promises. i think we all realized fairly quickly after the election that actually wasn't the case with him. he was not going to have to
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deliver on specifics that he had promised. he was going to have to talk the kind of language that his supporters wanted to hear and continually stand up for them in an emotional way, but made them feel they had a champion in the white house. i think kevin is exactly right. not to get too grandiose, but the big threat of the moment we are in democracy, i think it's this idea experts cannot be trusted. whether it's on the economic side or the security side, we've had years of experts telling us what to do. why should we trust them? >> they absolutely are. while we're on the topic of russia and why the president doesn't want to believe anything about it, let's talk about the court-approved document granting the fbi permission to surveil former trump campaign advisor carter page otherwise known as a fisa application, has now been released. while portions are heavily redacted, the application alleges that page was the subject of, quote, targeted recruitment by the russian government. that russian efforts to
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influence the 2016 presidential election were coordinated with page, and that page established relationships with russian government officials including intelligence officers. here is how page responded this morning when he was asked if he ever served as an advisor to the kremlin. >> it's really spin. i mean, i sat in on some meetings, but, you know, to call me an advisor i think is way over the top. >> except in the 2013 letter you wrote, it says, quote, over the past half year i have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the kremlin in preparation for the presidency of the g20 summit next month. >> informal, having some conversations with people, i mean, this is really nothing -- >> meanwhile, in the wake of its release, the fisa application has become something of a rorschach test on capitol hill. >> yeah, i don't think they did anything wrong. i think they went to the court. they got the judges to approve it. they laid out all the
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information and there was a lot of reasons unrelated to the dossier for why they wanted to look at carter page. >> a warrant on carter page was supported mostly by a dossier that came from michael steele who was being paid by the democratic party to do opposition research. >> was the surveillance justified? >> no, not at all in my view. >> my take is carter page is more like inspector gadget than jason borne or james bond. trump never met him, never had a conversation with him. i'm sure he's been on the fbi's radar a long time before 2016. we'll never know whether the fbi had enough without the dossier. the unvetted dnc funded dossier, because they included it. and everyone who reads this fisa application sees the amount of reliance they placed on this product -- >> president trump issued his own response writing that they, quote, confirm with little doubt that the department of, quote, justice, and fbi misled the courts. witch hunt, rigged, a scam.
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first of all, julia, to your earlieri earlier point, casting doubt on that, jake tapper came back at carter page who said, look, i was never this. actually you claimed you were. >> he said he was a formal advisor to the kremlin. you can't have it both ways. you can't advertise yourself to the kremlin in one year and the other year try to completely distance yourself although we see the president do that often with his advisors as he's digs tanzaniaed himself from page and manafort. i think out of the damage done around this, especially when the president says the fbi is misleading people in court, we heard from christopher wray at the aspen security forum when he spoke to lester holt, the fbi director saying when this becomes a problem is when my agents aren't believed in court. not just in this case, but in the thousands of other cases that they're doing around the country, to have the president casting doubt on their evidence. and why carter page has been at the center of all of this for so
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long is because of how much the dossier was built around the fisa application. the nunes memo. >> what do you take away from getting a chance to see the application? >> so much of it is redacted. i think what the president is saying is no evidence to back that up. it really seems -- we've known this for a while. there's a lot more behind the fisa application to carter page than the dossier. he was a target of this investigation because he was an advisor to the kremlin. that stands on its own without the dossier. and so i think what the president is saying, there really is no evidence i could glean from reading this to support what he's saying. >> kevin, where do you think republicans will come down on this? this has been devin nunes' cause for better or worse for the last several months alleging there were abuses that took place here. is that a plausible arguments for republicans to keep pushing forward with? >> by and large i wouldn't put devin nunes in this --
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>> surprised to hear you say that. >> i also think marco, senator rubio, i should say, hit the nail on the head. and i think that this is a 400-page fisa document. there is more than just the christopher steele dossier in there. although it is part of it. i also think there is a couple other things to fly over a country again on this. number one, no one knows who carter page is, no one cares and i think they've rooted out this guy and they're trying to string him up. the second thing is they look at this like a foreign policy guy talking to a forbid government. it was russia, but isn't that their job? the third thing is i just think it doesn't resonate. and i think the last thing i would say actually, there is not collusion here that i've seen. i haven't seen it, so even if carter page was colluding as a guy who ran campaigns, what would he do about it?
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a foreign policy guy on the k m campaign team, i have an idea, collude with russia? >> frankly if the fbi had not looked into what carter page had been doing, they would have been negligent in their duties. the wording is pretty strong. we didn't learn much from these justice department papers that were released, but we did learn that they felt that the wording from the justice department was strong, that they really felt they did have to go after this and investigate it. and although lindsey graham says the christopher steele document is a loaded garbage, we have not had that officially debunked. we don't know it was a load of garbage. he can call it that as frp as he likes, but we don't know that. >> nobody in the intelligence committee has been trying to figure that out. we don't know at what point -- >> draw information is what they have to base a lot of their decisions on. >> it could be commissioned by the hillary clinton campaign and be correct or it could be commissioned by the hillary clinton campaign and be incorrect. >> there is a difference between being a foreign policy advisor
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and campaign and recruited to be functionally a spy for a foreign government. >> sure. >> when we continue, democrats are pointing at public comments from brett kavanagh and the watergate tapes as red flags as the mueller probe presses on. senator richard blumenthal joins me live and whether it's much ado about nothing. as we go to break, though, it has been another whiplash week in washington. yes, all of this really happened in the last seven days. we're back after this. >> so, there they are, vladimir putin and donald trump sitting together. >> dan coats came to me and some others. they said they think it's russia. i don't see any reason why it would be. >> several republicans are criticizing what they saw at today's press conference. >> the d.o.j. charging another russian tonight. >> a russian national, mariah butina. >> they did interfere in our
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elections, it's clear. >> trump's top national security advisors. >> instead of should have been i don't see any reason why i wouldn't or why it wouldn't be russia. >> maria butina pleaded not guilty. >> maria butina in the last hour has been order today remain in jail. >> is russia still targeting the u.s., mr. president? >> he said no, i'm not answering any more questions. >> is russia still targeting the united states? >> i think we would be foolish to think they're not. >> president trump is inviting vladimir putin to the white house. >> say that again? [ laughter ] >> that's going to be special. >> a secretly recorded tape of president trump and his one-time lawyer michael cohen, talking about a payment to a play boy model. >> the president wasn't aware he was being recorded. >> michael cohen has made it very clear to me this morning that he is not going to be some sacrificial lamb. bundle and s, but now it's time to find my dream abode.
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welcome back. last night the senate judiciary committee released documents related to supreme court nominee brett kavanagh including some of his views of the watergate scandal. according to the a.p., a 1999 article reveals an instance in which kavanagh said u.s. versus nixon may have been wrongly decided. you'll remember that decision led the supreme court to order president nixon to hand over tape recordings to a federal court. and ever since it has been referenced as one of the major cases that limits executive power. kavanagh's views on executive privilege are being carefully looked at as he makes his way through the confirmation process. joining me mao to talk about there and everything else that went on this past week, democratic senator from connecticut and member of the judiciary committee, senator richard blumenthal. senator, thank you so much for being with us tonight. i want to start right there with this revelation from these documents that the judiciary committee has found about kavanagh's comments on the u.s.
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versus nixon case. do you think that should be applicable in his confirmation hearing? >> it is of profound importance to these confirmation hearings. the reason is very simply that u.s. versus nixon not only stands for the basic principle that the president must provide evidence that is relevant and cannot assert overbroad claims of executive privilege, but also that no one is above the law. no president is above the law. and here we have judge kavanagh questioning whether it was rightly decided after a unanimous supreme court in an opinion written by the chief justice, warren berger, who was appointed by nixon, said that the president, richard nixon, must provide these tapes. it is potentially a bombshell in these confirmation hearings. >> there have been some indications that senator grassley is not interested in forcing the executive branch to
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turnover more additional documents for democrats and republicans on the committee to review, and it's been reported that mitch mcconnell behind the scenes is potentially threatening to push the nomination vote until right before the midterm elections. are you seeing the documents that you need to? and do you think that chuck schumer should fight this to the point that you are facing down that vote right before the election? >> well, that's a really important question, kasie. first, we have yet to see all the documents that we need. and the recent rejection and withdrawal of the nomination of ryan bounds, he was nominated to the 9th circuit court of appeals, shows the importance of seeing all of the documents because his racial comments in the course of his past were extremely relevant to this nomination, and the excessive haste in that instance, the absence of adequate vetting,
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shows the importance of every single document here that we need to assess this nomination. the american people deserve it. and so far, we have yet to see all the documents we need. and chairman grassley has yet to provide, in my view, the kind of cooperation we need. if this nomination vote is delayed until literally the days or weeks before the midterm elections, it will be the height of cynical manipulation in a vote that is probably the most important that most of us will ever cast because these are lifetime appointments, the highest court in the land. and again, judge kavanagh has indicated in the writing you just mentioned, we just discussed as well as others, that he is an outlier in many of his views out of the mainstream and the result of vetting by extreme right wing groups, such as overturning roe v. wade and withdrawing protections under
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the affordable care act. so we deserve every document. >> what is the behind the scenes thinking of what kind of impact a vote so close to the election will have? there has to be some tension in the democratic caucus between those moderates facing reelection in red states who want to be out on the trail campaigning, and those liberal potentially 2020 candidates that, as we know, there are a number of them in your caucus. how is that playing out behind the scenes? >> what we need to do is to bring this case to the american people about how judge kavanagh has passed the trump litmus test, overturning roe v. wade, eliminating the protections for people who suffer from preexisting conditions, millions of americans who suffer from obesity or heart disease or alcohol abuse, and many other common conditions. but the tension is really, in my view, exaggerated on the democratic side. i think our republican
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colleagues are going to have to answer to history. >> you don't have any doubt mitch mcconnell will go through pushing this right to before the elections. >> i hope not. and i do have doubt that he will. >> i mean, you're watching as closely as i have. i just -- it seems to me like he makes these kinds of threats and he follows through on them. >> kasie, you may be right. but let me just say that when i go to work every day, i have to believe that as an institution, our leadership and most particularly the republican leadership, will recognize that we are answering not just to the politics of the moment, but to history. every one of us will be judged by history on this vote. and my hope is that mitch mcconnell wants to be recognized as a leader, not just a master politician, a leader of conviction and conscience. >> senator, i want to change gears quickly before we have to wrap up here. the events of the last week, what we saw with the president in helsinki, and then what we
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saw in aspen from dan coats, his director of national intelligence who was surprised by my colleague andrea mitchell and told that vladimir putin was -- had been invited to come here to the united states. some democrats have called for dan coats to step down in protest. do you agree with those calls? >> i hope that dan coats will stay. he is a former colleague. i know him as an individual of integrity and dedication to our country. i have disagreed with him probably more often than i've agreed when he was a member of the u.s. senate. but he has stayed true to the mission of the intelligence community. donald trump likes to operate without intelligence. frequently disregarding his briefings, and keeping dan coats in the dark, very humiliatingly. but i'm going to be su for thing, in fact, introducing a resolution that will condemn any second visit by vladimir putin
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to the united states. any meeting that rolls out the red carpet to vladimir putin while he is continuing to attack the united states as dan coats has said in ongoing and pervasive use of cyber, objective and verifiable evidence, that's dan coats speaking truth to power. i hope he stays in that job as long as he fulfills the oath of office to defend our country. >> senator blumenthal, thank you so much for your time tonight. really appreciate it. i, of course, will see you on capitol hill this coming week. >> thank you. >> coming up, the tale of the tape. we will talk about the secretly recorded conversation between president trump and his former lawyer michael cohen. we're back after this. you're headed down the highway when the guy in front slams on his brakes out of nowhere. you do, too, but not in time. hey, no big deal. you've got a good record and liberty mutual won't hold a grudge by raising your rates over one mistake. you hear that, karen?
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to learn more about the community wildfire safety program and how you can help keep your home and community safe, visit the fbi and federal prosecutors will soon learn the contents of the recordings secretly made by michael cohen two months before the election. in which he and the president reportedly discuss payments to a former play boy model who claims she had an affair with mr. trump. karen mcdougal said her affair with the president began in 2006 and lasted for nearly a year. the president has denied those allegations. "the new york times" reports that on the audiotape cohen and trump can be heard discussing whether to reimburse the national enquirer's parent company which had purchased the rights to mcdougal's story. the recording, which was seized during a raid of cohen's office
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back in april was initially protected by attorney/client privilege, but trump's legal team waived that privilege after news broke that the recording existed, making it available to prosecutors. president trump was apparently unaware he had was being taped at the time and quote it is inconceivable a lawyer would tape a client. totally unheard of and perhaps illegal. first of all, i just would like to -- i mean, we have heard from the president many miss truths regarding this. his spokeswoman hope hicks when this first broke, we have no idea any of this was ever going on, when clearly we know the existence of tape proves in fact he was aware. >> exactly. i'm sort of thinking back, a lot of people said karen mcdougal more than stormed was actually going to be the affair that could present the most damage to the president, especially now it is seeming because of the discussion of payments. that was two months before the election. and to me the timing of all this tells us everything we really need to know, especially about cohen's strategy. his habits for a long time, he's
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known it was seized in the raids. this was months ago, early may when the raids took place and it's now, now that we're getting to a point where he could be flipping on the president that this news is starting to come out because he sees his client, the president, as someone who abandoned him. >> so why, if you're the president's legal team, why do you waive privilege on this? >> the only reason i could think is that they think there is something in the tape that could exonerate them or something that could actually be damning to cohen and so they would waive their privilege. but i'm head scratching on that. >> judging from the president's tweets today about this is exactly what julie thinks, he thinks this helps him and hurts cohen in some way. but for me, the fact that this tape exists just raises a whole host of questions about what other tapes exist and are there other cases we don't know about. and if so, were they recorded. i think that's, you know, that's what people are going to want to know coming out of this. >> and do they matter.
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deja vu all over again. >> i was going to ask you. >> we had a devastating tape i would have told you a thousand times would have ended anyone's candidacy or career. >> that doesn't matter politically. it does matter the president -- if there is -- some lawyers have suggested to me this is why they are so nervous about the southern district of new york, the whole case is there a pattern that would emerge. >> right. >> from what was seized in michael cohen's offices that would suggest that there were concerted efforts made to protect the presidency and numerous -- we have no idea whether that's the case, but that's the kind of question -- >> campaign funds. >> you're right. >> it could be an fec violation. court of public a opinion aside, if it's like a john edwards' case, if he was using campaign funds to pay this woman and obviously he knew about it, that's the thing that could bring them down. the president from a political perception, a lot of damage was
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done just by that article coming out. the fact that it exists and maybe they think there are details in there that will exonerate them and will help shed at least a little more texture on the story than what we have already. right now it's not looking great. >> #understatement. julie ainsley, katty kay, thank you for your time. we appreciate it. when we continue, no pressure, heidi high camp. >> you're one of the last great hopes, i think, for your party honestly. i do. i haven't heard you equate helsinki to pearl harbor or 9/11. you're in a position, though, in a red state with an election in november, so you're our last hope for any type of -- reasonable rhetoric. >> states of play takes us to north dakota as the fate of the senate could come down to one red state democrat. allie joins us with her reporting up next. (woman) so beautiful.
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president trump is facing a growing battle with his own party over the mounting trade wars. senate finance chair orrin hatch warns, quote, flt administration continues forward with its over reliance on tariffs, i will work to advance legislation to curtail presidential trade authority. but the president is as defiant as ever. >> i mean, honestly i don't want to use the word because it's a highly respected show. but they are taking advantage of us, okay. i'll use a different set of words. they are taking advantage of us. it's not as good as the other word. you know what the other word is. i raised 50 and they matched us. you can't match us because otherwise we're always going to be behind the 8 ball. >> you get to 500, though -- >> we have to go to 500. >> it goes almost without saying that all of this is a very real impact on all people and one of the marquee reasons in the mid
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terms. in tonight's states of play, alley batali is in divide county, north dakota. first of all, ali, that may be the greatest state line in political journalism. how did you, by the canadian border, what brought you there and what did you find over the course of your reporting? >> reporter: well, kasie, senator heidi high camp as you know is one of the most vulnerable democrats up for reelection this year. she's in a red state that has only gotten redder since she was on the ballot in 2012. we spent two days with the candidates and voters if it's possible for this democrat to win in trump country. nearly 2000 miles away from washington, it's a matter of putting north dakota voters first. >> we've got a great story here in north dakota if washington would just get out of the way. >> if donald trump is with north dakota 90% of the time, he and i are going to be north dakota. that time i'm going to be with north dakota the other ten. >> reporter: while not straying too far from president trump.
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after all -- >> trump, trump, trump, everything is trump. >> reporter: it's a delicate dance. one we saw firsthand in divide county and 120 miles away at the state fair in minot. kevin cramer, a three-term congressman, was one of president trump's earliest 2016 backers. it's a political loyalty he's tried to use to his advantage. >> i've heard her say, gee, i voted with him 55% of the time. can you imagine going home and telling your wife i've been faithful to you 55% of the time? are you kidding me? >> hi, guys. how are you? >> reporter: meanwhile, senator heidi high camp a democrat has worked hard to thread the needle. sometimes earning praise. >> everyone is saying what's she doing up here? but i'll tell you what, good woman. >> reporter: sometimes not. >> and we need kevin cramer to replace liberal democrat heidi hide camp in december. >> reporter: but in recent days the president has tested the limits of cramer's support. this week on the hill you were a little critical about his
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press conference with vladimir putin. >> i was >> reporter: and those comments that he made. was the walk back enough for you? >> well, his explanation, it was -- it was, he's going the right direction. he's explaining himself. >> reporter: do you believe that president trump believes it was russia? >> i don't know what he believes. i don't know what he believes. >> reporter: but you believe it was russia? >> i mean, you know, i believe it was russia as sure as i believe the sun comes up in the east. >> reporter: but it's tariffs, not russia, that could be the x factor in this already tight race. >> farmers are going to take a kick in the as with their soybeans. >> reporter: the state's agriculture, heavy economy makes it ground zero for trump's trade war and soybean farmers here are already seeing prices trending down. but not all are ready to cut and run from trump just yet. >> we have been taking it in the shorts for so long on our tariffs that it's time for somebody to stand up and say enough is enough. >> reporter: cramer can see the up side, too, even if he isn't a
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fan of the method. >> i don't like tariffs as a negotiating tool. i think the president will be successful at some point in the future. in agriculture, this is what i've advised him more than anything. in agriculture the short term is the long term. one season can ruin a farmer. >> reporter: what is your message to the president? >> my message to the president is stop it. i mean, you know, hit a reset button. >> reporter: hide camp is the only democrat in north dakota's delegation. she eked out a less than 1 point victory in 2012. the same year that mitt romney won the state by almost 20 points. how do you win as a democrat in north dakota? >> it's always such an interesting question because people say how can you win? i say, well, i have. >> reporter: trump won big here in 2016. and the counties that pushed high camp over the edge in 2012 like this small one aptly named divide could reveal the bigger picture about high camp's chances come november. >> given the nature of this area, it's going to be uphill. >> reporter: though party politics rules most things these
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days, it might not divide voters here in north dakota. >> it's pretty rural life in north dakota. >> reporter: do you think that's it, the personal side of politics? >> i think so. she knows a lot of people. she gets out and meets people >> reporter: that could work in high camps favor unless they decide she is no longer the senator for the times. kasie, i think the really interesting thing we've heard here repeatedly from folks is while tariffs will be one of the defining issues in this race, many of the republicans that we talk to here like kevin cramer, but also voters who are in tandem with him and president donald trump are okay seeing where these tariffs lead. they think maybe u.s. farmers have been taken advantage of too much, which sounds pretty familiar to how president trump talks about this issue. >> allie vitali in divide county. thank you for your great reporting. appreciate it. kevin mclaughlin, some of
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what she puts together, this president seems to do whatever he wants even if it causes personal harm and nobody seems to be willing to hold him accountable. >> i think it's totally true. i've seen it in ohio voters, now in north dakota voters. the other thing that's crazy and i think the problem for heidi hide camp here is it's really hard to poll north dakota right now and find -- with a real sample and have her winning. that's not the real problem, though, as big of a deal that is. the other problem they said in the end there is everyone likes her. >> right. >> and it's the ultimate, it's not you, it's me. and i think the problem here might be that the earth has shifted underneath her and i don't know if she can pull it off like she did in 2012. it's a very, very heavy lift. >> and she, of course, her victory in 2012 was so, so narrow and obviously the dynamics were much different. >> the other thing they said in the piece i totally agree with, there's only 3300 voters in the district.
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it's personal. everyone knows heidi, they like heidi, but sorry, heidi, you're not for us. we've seen this with kay bailey hutchinson in the primary against rick perry. the polling would show her approval was going in a straight line and her ballot was going down, down, down. >> everyone wanted to go the other way. all right, kevin mclaughlin, thank you so much. really appreciate your time tonight. just ahead here on "kasie d.c." >> women in particular, by the way, i want you to get more involved. men have been getting on my nerves lately. i mean, i just -- every day i read the newspaper and i just think, brothers, what's wrong with you guys? i mean, what's wrong with us? >> when we return, we'll talk about the wave of women running for office in washington including johanna hayes honored by president obama in 2016 for being national teacher of the year. she joins us live next. ♪ [ coughs ] ♪ ♪
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everybody please give the national teacher of the year a big round of applause. it's a little surprising she got
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this award because you can tell she's a little shy. and lacks enthusiasm. yet, somehow, she seems to be performing pretty well in the classroom. look at that smile. >> that was former president obama presenting the 2016 national teacher of the year award to jahanna hayes. she's running for congress and a campaign video gone viral. >> my students were all working and i looked down on them and said, who will speak for them? who will share their story with the world? i said, me. and decided i was going to run for congress. i'm jahana hayes and this is my truth. >> joining me now is jahana hayes. so nice to see you. thanks very much for your time tonight.
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i want to start, your biography and your personal story is one frankly is atypical for a lot of currents elected members of congress. can you walk through your life and tell us why now was the moment to try to make this leap? >> thank you for having me. you're absolutely right. my biography is very different from the traditional congress person. people like me live in communities and need to be represented. people at different points in their life feel like i, too, have value and want to have part of this conversation. i've been asked many times to run for elected office. i said, no, because i wasn't sure if my story fit nicely within this narrative. i think it's time for people like me, all people to take a more active role in our
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government. >> the state democratic party has not backed you, they've backed your primary opponent. why do you think that is? do you think the connecticut state democratic party is in touch with the current moment? >> well, connecticut is one of only two states that still holds a convention. so, either by design or default, it's very difficult for political outsiders to penetrate that first layer and get into the system. i had to reach out and try to get to delegates to try to get to the vote and get the ballot. i think i left as a first time candidate separated by only two votes says there's an appetite for change and the party should be listening to that and responding to that because people are taking notice and sitting up and getting engaged. i'm not sure that's happening. i think it's to our peril if we're not listening and responding to what is happening in our communities.
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>> if you were to win this election, would be the first black connecticut elected to congress from connecticut. and there was a story about minority candidates running this environment. their campaigns face distinct challenge, difficulty finding initial support, a need to trust stereotypes and that members of their own party, a minority, that they can succeed in a predominantly white district. >> do you think that's a problem, that you can succeed in a predominantly white district? >> there are lots of conversations about my race that have entered this primary season. there's nothing i can do about that. i captain take the skin off. i live in a community that is predominantly white, this district. i've always been represented by white congressman and women. they've been able to represent my interests. i don't think you have to look like someone. there is something to be said about starting a conversation
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with all people feel like they're included, all communities feel like our voice is being recognized and we belong here. we get to be a part of this conversation. it is difficult because i was not a part of that inner circle. i have a message that is very different but it's a necessary message. >> you are often described as the more progressive of the two democrat candidates running in this primary. you support medicare for all and the other supports it as it is. if you were to get elected and come to washington next year, do you think the current democratic leadership is progressive enough in the house? is nancy pelosi and her leadership team, are they progressive enough for you? >> i think on some issues i'm very progressive and on others, i tend to be more moderate. we are a country where, i know
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for me, i have been the beneficiary of so many programs and a good government that works. i also know when i got to the point i could stand on my own i was a contributor and i poured back into my community and into government. i think that's what it's supposed to look like. i believe government should be there when people need it. i also believe when people become socially mobile they should do their responsibility to engage in their government and communities and help other people around them. >> do you think democratic leadership in washington needs fresh faces? should there be some generational change? >> i do. i do. i think if we are having a conversation we need to broaden what representation looks like, what our leaders look like. if we want to engage young people and get the next generation encouraged to join. give them a reason to vote. make them feel like they're a part of the conversation. they have to be able to find theirselves in what's going on. i think the last few cycles have
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shown us that. we really need to listen and respond. >> johana hayes, thank you for your time tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you for having me. just ahead, bill browder joins me live as his public feud with the president of russia deepens. is the democratic party ready for the rise of democratic socialists? and we watch the sunday shows so you don't have to. before you and your rheumatologist move to another treatment, ask if xeljanz xr is right for you. xeljanz xr is a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough it can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. don't start xeljanz xr if you have an infection.
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the tension following president trump's meeting with vladamir putin continues to rise. >> several days of walk backs haven't clarified matters much. >> the evidence is overwhelming and the president needs to say that and act like it. >> he's acting like someone compromised. >> i found it shocking. >> it was not a good moment. >> if he keeps actsing tough we'll for give some of his comments. >> when you're the leader of the free world, every syllable matters. >> russia has never interfered with the president of the united states. >> may i give this for you to look at, sir? the fbi believes page has been conspiring with the russian government. >> from what i'm told, he was nobody on the -- >> was the surveillance justified? >> no, not at all. >> it's literally a complete show. i've never been anywhere near
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wh what's described here. >> in a 2013 letter you wrote, it says i have been privileged to serve as an informal -- >> informal meaning i might have participated in a few meetings. >> carter page, i'm not claiming he's james bond or 007. >> carter page is more like inspector gadget than james borne or james bond. >> welcome to the second hour of kasiedc. michael schmidt, and white house bureau political chief and correspondent for political news hour. thank you for being here tonight. michael, can i start with you on this mysterious man in the bucket hat, carter page. which assessment of himself is
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right. he writes i'm an informal advisor of the kremlin or you shouldn't listen to me, i never had much -- >> he's done a ton of media over the weekend. we now have the fisa application, what the justice department said to the court when they had the ability to tap his phone last year. it shows they did have evidence there was issues around his ties to russia and the accusations from the republicans about how the fbi and justify department handle it are not really true and they did acknowledge this information was coming from folks paying to help hillary clinton. >> the president seems very focused on carter page for his continued insistence carter page was a nobody. >> he can call carter page a nobody. he was involved in the campaign, at the time in the campaign, he was a foreign policy advisor, the period trump was not able to recruit any of the top shelf
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foreign policy figures to join his campaign. he wasn't at the president's side. he was a fixture at that time in the campaign, on paper at least. >> this seems to me this is what the republicans have been demanding on the hill for months. they insisted there have been abuses. and you ask paul ryan a question whether devin nunes should continue with the investigation he always goes back to this. clearly, you've seen a divide, republicans saying this proves it was wrongly issued. at the same time, for all the redactions, a decent amount of information there laying out a clear case why they wanted to do this. >> i think that most of the time, when you have a new document or new thing coming out, it becomes such a partisan of thing, one population of people can look at this and say, this proves our point, this new
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document, here's what i'm talking about, or democrats or the wing of the republican party, no, this doesn't prove anything. it goes back to whether you want to believe there's a there there. if you believe this, this helps. if not, you will continue to have this divide of people reading a document and having a self-fulfilling prophesy. >> michael, what's the next turn of this for carter page? how does this play out? >> this is highly unusual. usually during an ongoing investigation, particularly high profile one, we don't see documents continually produced to the hill or to the public that are made so we can read them. we sat and read a fisa application yesterday, highly unusual document. whether it's about carter page and who knows what his status is or other folks we will still see the criminal justice system try to apiece the far right by
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handing over this material and we learn in what would take decade is in any other investigation. >> many thanks in part to you and your colleagues. >> you were overseas for the president's trip. i'm curious to get your sense how the week has evolved. phil, you had a long talk with your colleagues how this week evolved and how you framed it. how does this play together? my sense reading your reporting, the president's interaction with putin and his posture in the investigation is completely unseparated from the investigation at home. >> the process is bothered when it comes to the relationship with vladamir putin, he's completely out of sync with the rest of his administration. there was a plan into that meeting going into helsinki for president trump to confront putin. remember, the indictment of 12
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russian intelligence officers for hacking the democratic e-mails illegally and sort of a broad campaign to interfere with the 2016 election. but trump whiffed. he didn't confront putin on that. we saw that press conference. all week long, it was one walkback after another and then another walkback. today, before you came on the air, a tweet he's calling it all a hoax. we're back to where he started with this press conference with putin. >> he's conflating this. when you say a hoax, the claim the russians meddled. >> it's unclear what he means. i will say the sources in the white house say the president is unable to distinguish between meddling and collusion. meddling, there's evidence of that. there is evidence russia in fact intervened in the election.
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colluding is what robert mueller is investigating. there is not concrete evidence yet donald trump is involved and the process is unable to distinguish between the two terms and clouding his judgment. >> as someone like phil who spent the week overseas, watching donald trump in that press conference is watching someone who cannot look at the russian meddling and not take it very personally and feel as though people are saying he does not deserve to be president because he got this help from russia. he felt like someone trying to make the point, i don't have to thank a foreign country for why i'm president. i think that's why you see so many republicans sticking with the president and there's polls saying 70% of the republicans approve of how he handle helsinki and this whole week. a lot of people look at this and say, we want donald trump to be president. all the people that keep talking about russian meddling they don't want him to be president. that's what you saw him doing, he's so angry at the thought
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people think he needed to win the election and why you see him defying the intelligence community and surprising dan coats in that remarkable moment with andrea mitchell. >> it was remarkable. we'll bring it up in a second. the investigation overall and one place we've seen that rubber hit the road in the last couple of days was michael cohen and this secret recording you wrote about at the "new york times." what kind of danger does michael cohen pose to the president at this point? what do you know about -- my big question about it -- i think there are others who would agree, why on earth would the trump legal team wave their privilege on this if it wasn't going to be public or part of the investigation? >> guiliani made the argument there's no evidence on the tape that it shows no way the president new about the payment made to the enquirer months
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earlier saying the president did not himself know anything about it. they would argue about -- >> that he was told about it after the fact. >> it divorces him from that. in terms of what he knew about them is okay. the question with cohen about a lot of this stuff, this stuff politically damaging, personally embarrassing or is it legally problematic? the president's lawyers argue there may be questions about this or what the campaign said, that they didn't know anything about this, but legally on this, they think he's okay. the danger on the new york investigation is the president's lawyers do not have a full handle on what the feds are looking at. they don't fully understand the contours of the investigation in the way they think they do the one mueller is leading. for any lawyer in the situation with a client like that they now have a two-front war and one of the fronts they don't know a ton
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about. >> and they might be surprised in a way that they don't about mueller. promises to be a fun week. you mentioned our friend, dan coats, there's somewhat a question about the standing of the national director, dan coats, after he pushed back about the president's claims of russian interference in the 2016 election and said this to andrea russell. [ applause ] sorry. new director. after he said this to andrea mitchell. >> we have some breaking news. white house has announced on twitter vladamir putin is coming to the white house in the fall. >> say that again. >> vladamir putin coming- >> did i hear you? >> yeah, yeah. >> okay. that's going to be special.
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>> i feel like we should just clip and save that to play when ever we end up with the trump moment of the week. the "washington post" reports there was backlash within the walls of the white house. says "coats has gone rogue." he may as well just said he was dny for obama. last night, coates issued a statement clarifying his response he called admittedly awkward but in no way meant to, disrespectful or criticize the actions of the president. when coats was confirmed there was concern he would not be able to stand up to the president and one former colleague compared him favorably to mr. rogers. coats has said he had no illusion what the job would be like from the very beginning. >> let me move on to my only concern about your nomination. you're one of the most likable affable easy going people i've ever med.
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i like traveling with you and working with you on this committee. i'm not sure likability and affability are the qualities i want in this position. i want somebody who's crusty and mean and tough because you're riding herd on 17 agencies that always go in different directions and you're reporting to a president who may or may not want to hear what you have to say. can you assure me that not only are you changing hats when you go into this job you're going to be hard, in terms of your execution of this, i think the second most important job in the united states government right now. >> i hear exactly what you're saying and i think the office demands it and i think the times demand it. clearly, we are in a -- we're not in a passive situation from a world threat standpoint. has reached the level we can't afford not to go at this with everything that we have.
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as i said in the beginning and as i will say frequently to both the president and the executive branch, you need to fully understand my role. >> you need to fully understand my role. >> this is a remarkable connect on display between the president and his own -- obviously, we saw him openly question those assessments, essentially say they weren't correct, that he didn't believe them while on stage next to putin. at the same time, dan coats is somebody who has to go to work everyday to work for the president. i'm not sure we've ever seen anything like this before. >> it's similar to a lot of things in the executive branch. there's a ball canization of the government where the justice department is doing one thing the president doesn't like and the president attacks them publicly but won't call them privately to say don't do this or don't do that. you have the pentagon that had to fight back on a lot of the things the president wanted to
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do by creating this whole space department -- >> i forgot about that. >> the other branch of the military we didn't know anything about. you remember the obama administration, everyone was singing o the same song sheet, all the stuff went through the white house, it was very organized. the government here operating in all these different ways and the president struggling or not wanting to control them and having people say different things and different messages. i didn't find it all that surprising. >> what's your latest reporting on this, phil? does dan coats -- can he stay in that job? is there a lot of pressure for him to step down? >> i think he scan stay for now. i think the president knows there would be a lot of heat if he were to fire the director of the national intelligence. >> a lot of heat. >> publicly doubting the president of the united states. one white house official i was talking to the other day. he said, if anything was to happen, it would be coats resigning before trump were to
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push him out. this person also said that answer he gave to andrea mitchell and frankly the other interview with andrea mitchell, there were other highlights is something that will stick with the president that will bother him more than the ethical lapses of scott pruitt, the ousted epa. >> he does seem to be sticking by him. we will see it over and over again on cable news. >> we know he's watching. concerns are growing among some centrist democrats the party is becoming too liberal. the chairman ben lujan will join me later in the show. the number one adversary bill browder was just called out by the russian strong man with the world watching. (vo) what if this didn't have to happen? i didn't see it. (vo) what if we could go back?
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welcome back to "kasie dc." we have brand new polling from the summit with vladamir putin. just 26. of registered voters approve of the president's handling of the u.s.-russia relationship. 51% say they disapprove. one issue that received bipartisan outrage was the plan to allow the kremlin to question u.s. officials in exchange for
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allowing robert mueller questioning in the u.s. the white house now says the president disagrees to that. here's michael mcfaul. here's where it gets scary. they can go around in third countries and stop people like me. mr. browder, his book you put in the interpol system and he has been harassed for years by the russian government because they use it for political purposes. >> joining us now is bill browder we were talking about. last sunday, vladamir putin called him out by name during this is news conference with president trump. it's great to have you back. can i ask you what was going through your head when you watched that news conference.
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>> while the rest of the world was shocked putin was bringing up my name. he has been bringing it up since 2012, sis an act was passed after my murdered russian lawyer, the magnitsky act. from my perspective, it was more of the same. in fact before the summit i thought about tweeting i wonder if putin will bring up my name would be too self-centered, turns out not. >> you have been in interaction with the putin government for a while. did the president get taken for a ride? what happened? >> i think he was woefully underprepared and probably didn't know about me and sir
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magnitsky or anything like that and probably didn't know anything about putin's indecent proposals for swapping me and a bunch of other russians was. that's my take on donald trump's situation, he didn't do his home work. the fact that it took him three days to basically reject vladamir putin's proposal is wholly unacceptable. it took everybody else about 12 seconds to reject that proposal. it shouldn't have taken him three days. >> what's your take on some of what we have seen out of the meeting, the fact putin is apparently scheduled to come here to the united states? >> last sunday, when i was on your show, one of my main points before the summit was there shouldn't have been a summit in helsinki in the first place. vladamir putin is a mall lined influence on the world. he's been redrawing the borders by invading ukraine, bombing innocent women and children in syria, cheating in the olympics
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and meddling in various elections. this is a guy who needs to be contained, not engaged. there shouldn't have been a first summit and we shouldn't be dignifying vladamir putin with a state visit to washington. that makes no sense at all. >> there was clearly quite a bit of discomfort in the congress how this all played out over the course of the past week. there were some mixed results exactly how aggressively the senate was willing to push back on various pieces of this. what is it congress could do that would actually hit putin in a way that would make a difference to him? is there anything they can do? >> there is something they have done and the trump administration has done, going after the richest oligarches in russia and sancting their assets. that was done by the trump administration on april 6th, where they added seven of the richest russian oligarches to the sanctions list and it was a neutron bomb going over moscow.
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there's a big schizophrenia right now between the trump administration and their policy towards russia and trump's own personal words about vladamir putin. the trump administration has been tough or tougher than the obama administration on russia. sanctions are in place. offensive weapons are going to ukraine. there is absolutely devastating consequences to russian mer scenarios in syria who do the wrong thing. what's strange and distasteful is this unbelievable buddy-buddy stuff going on between trump and vladamir putin where it effectively legitimatizes vladamir putin as a person which should not be done by the most powerful person in the free world. >> bill browder, thanks for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> bill, i want your take and latest reporting where things stand for this potential summit for the fall. as much as we talked about dan
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coats and his position and what he said that could hurt his future, he had no idea as a director of national intelligence this meeting was coming down the pike. it seems like that again is another example of the administration acting alone without mentioning it to the other pieces of the government. >> it's more like the president acting largely alone. the way this meeting came about thursday earlier in the week president trump and president putin discussed the likelihood of having additional meetings and getting together again. they even said so publicly. president trump woke up thursday morning upset with the press conference of his helsinki summit and called john bolton with an order and said, get this summit scheduled and invite putin to moscow and make it happen and within a few hours it did happen and sarah sanders announced it over twitter, actually over the dan coats interview with andrea mitchell putin was being invited to washington. >> how does this play into the
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mueller investigation if at all? one of the final questions of that news conference to putin, they have something. the other was investigators going over there to tell them what they had found about the russians. i'm not sure that that really changes anything. the thing about the putin meeting that i find funny, if coats had a problem -- coats said he thought it was unusual that the foreign minister and ambassador met in the oval office in may and now you have putin in the white house. after that you kind of wonder what will coats do between now and the summit. will he allow it to happen or speak up on what he did. he already tried to backtrack on what he said the end of the week. >> president trump is very much digging in his heels.
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he doesn't like the coverage but he wants to go it alone. he wants to drive this train. as a result, if he wants to bring putin to the white house, he wants to do that. dan coats releasing a statement basically saying, i'm sorry if you took it the wrong way and i don't want to disrespect you tells president trump is leading this train and people want to stay in his good graces, even though dan coats said he felt led to correct the president when he initially said he didn't know if russia meddled the election, dan coats is still walking that back a little bit. at the end of the day, this interview might have looked bad. i want to make sure you know at the end of the day, i'm on your side. >> not sure he had any choice. and things not going as planned with north korea. friends, colleagues,
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welcome back to "kasie dc." we have not yet talked at length about paul manafort slated to go on trial this week. michael schmidt, what are we possibly going to learn about this? is this the first big test for mueller's team? >> the first time his prosecutors are in court. as journalists we will see what they're like, talking, trying to
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make their case. obviously no cameras in the courtroom at the federal level. only so much the public can see. it will be a test for them. they want to have as much a public record as possible. they clearly are interested in manafort to do their entire russian investigation, want to know everything he knows about what went on during the campaign. they're bringing all these cases against him, focused not on russia as much as ukraine. at the same time, they try to put these different levers on him. if you're doing an investigation and the ties between trump's campaign and russia, how do you complete that without talking to paul manafort. >> you have to have somebody willing to come out there. >> what's the risk to paul manafort to let it get this far? the evidence seems long. >> if he took a plea deal he would have gone to jail a smaller period of time if he gets convicted. if he goes to trial and gets convicted he will face more time in prison. if he accepted a plea it would
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be smaller. for him, he could win and walk free. >> the white house has done a lot saying this was a pineon of the campaign. >> the chairman of the campaign. >> he played a very significant role. how concerned are they about this going to trial? >> they're concerned, i'd say moderately concerned. this will focus on pre-dating the campaign but it was a senior official in trump's campaign in this orbit and a web of figures implicated in the mueller probe so far. i'd say they're less concerned about this trial than the separate situation in new york in the southern district that involves michael cohen. the white house will be keeping an eye on it. i'm sure we will be hearing what
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a peon he was. >> remarkable. he seemed to have been demoted. >> it's incredible they would try to distance themselves from someone who was literally the chairman. scaramucci, you can get away with and say he was here for 11 days. bill is right in that michael cohen and mike and other people have found the idea there was one recording of michael cohen and the president not knowing he was recorded is probably a way bigger headache in their mind than only some part of what paul manafort was doing in the campaign. the trump administration has a lot of worries and this trial might not be at the top of their list. >> how big of a piece of the russia investigation, if it's a pie, what segment of it does paul manafort represent? >> we don't know. that's the thing. we don't know. mueller may not know. that's why they're trying so hard to get him to cooperate. they would love to have him
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cooperate. i think we sometimes lose perspective here. you had the campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, former national security advisor and another member of the campaign all get charged or plead guilty. that's an enormous amount of folks that were crucial to this. as the story goes along, sometimes we lose sight of that significance. >> the magnitude. >> that's a really great point. michael schmidt, thank you for your time tonight. really appreciate it. when we condition on "kasie dc," we've seen moderates pull off big wins for the democrats. is all the momen tim with the party -- momentum with the party in the far left? we all talk to representative lujan next. plaque psoriasis can be relentless.
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progressive activists and candidates are up-ending elections across the country caution some to be concerned the party is increasingly rung to the left. there are 42 people running for offices at the federal, state and local level as democratic socialists. they hovered around 6,000 before the election and last week, 45,000. the pressure from a new generation of confrontational progressives has put democrats at the precipice of a sweeping
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transition, not only the centristette those of the bill clinton years but the liberalism of barack obama. bernie sanders, congress's only self-described socialist shared the stage with rising stars, 28-year-old alexandria cortez. that came a week after cortez sat down for this interview with pbs? we look at these figures and say unemployment is low, everything is fine, right? >> unemployment is low pause people are working two jobs and is low because people are working 60, 80 hours a week. >> polittety fact said it has no bearing of the unemployment rate and gave that a rating of pants on fire.
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>> congressman, i appreciate you being on. let's start with the rift in your party. is there room for centrists that come from more moderate districts, congressman sherry bustos of illinois. >> alexandria ran a strong grassroots campaign and i think she will be a strong voice for the people in new york. also, joe crowley, he served his people by always putting them first. he was an incredible leader as well. alexandria's voice is something spreading across the country. the more people involved the better we are. on the democratic side of the family we have a very big tent and encouraging people to spread their voice. >> you don't think that rising left could light the tent on fire? >> i think the democratic party is about putting people first. when we're talking about people and making a difference in their
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lives, whether lowering costs with prescription drugs or getting universal coverage affordable and accessible, that's what we're talking about. the difference is we are a party that puts different options on the table and we want to debate those and have a conversation about them ultimately to make a difference in people's lives. i really don't see it will pull any direction or the other. >> i am hearing a lot in your slogan put people first in your answers here. you have come under criticism. can you tell us exactly what you mean by put people first. >> it's always an agenda for the people. i was raised in a family where my father served in the local legislature. he was an ironworker and my mother retired after 32 years with the local school district. what i learned from mom and dad, if you can have an agenda that makes a difference in people's lives when it comes to pocketbook issues, when they are driving the conversation, when you know every vote will impact a life everywhere in america, that's what i mean by putting
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people first. >> i hear you. there has clearly been demonstrated on both sides of the aisle a frustration with polittetyspeak. voters reacted to president trump for better or worse saying things exactly the way they are. is it a fair criticism that this slogan and the way everyone is framing the democratic message in the fall doesn't actually really say anything? >> no. it's not a slogan. this is personal. when you talk to families across the country diagnosed with diabetes or chronic conditions -- >> are you for medicare for all? a lot of your candidates are for medicare for all? >> i've been a co-sponsor of medicare for all and senator shots has a buy-in a state option plan. i think different colleagues have different ideas. what we want on our side of the aisle for the american people is to have a real conversation how we can deliver universal coverage and lower cost for the
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american people. that's not a slogan. that makes a difference in everybody's lives that is struggling to figure out whether they're going to be forced to the emergency room or get more care. when we lost my father to a bout with stage 4 lung cancer we know what it's like to have a personal fight. families should not make a decision to have the roof over their head or pay for bills or get the best care available. it's very personal. as long as we earn the trust back from the american people by putting them first as a democratic party not only will it center us where we need to be with our moral compass and hearts and our souls it will allow us to restore checks and balances and ultimately win the house back as a democratic party in the united states house of representatives. >> do you think there's a demand inside the democratic party for new leadership in the house? >> i think there are new leaders getting engaged everyday. whether they are current members of the u.s. house or they are candidates running for office, up and down the ballot. >> is there room for them in the
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leadership of the party, because you guys have had the same -- i've been covering the same leadership team for the last 10 years. >> there were several new members to leadership. >> hakim jeffries -- >> the top three. the top three. also new members. i'm a new member of leadership as latino from new mexico, progressive that grew up on a small farm. not many people talk about who's in the leadership from the mountain west that spread across the country. i'm honored i'm a part of the leadership team helping share the words and concerns of my colleagues connecting with people back in the country. there's lots of room, absolutely. >> do you think leader pelosi and those around her are hearing the call for new leadership from the progressive wing of the party. do you think that's been received? >> leader pelosi is one of the most progressive members of the house of representatives. that's not been lost. works around the clock. you look at the expansion table
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in the previous caucus, congress we're currently in more now, you see many more women, diverse members, asian pacific islanders, that collective voice i think is our strength. >> do you think the democratic socialists of america, do you think they will have a place at the democratic caucus. >> when you see how senator sanders is doing and others. any time you see how it makes people's lives better that's a positive rather than republican being distracted by what this administration is doing rather than inviting putin to the white house and promising to invest in a strong infrastructure bill for the people, they abandoned that. is where that infrastructure package. the more we talk about putting people first, that's where we need to be and i encourage that
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conversation across the country. >> you don't think that might scare off centrist voters who might be willing to push the button for president trump but not the socialists democrats? >> i think a lot are coming out strong against president trump. >> it show as tightening congressional ballot. >> absolutely. you look at the trends with the generic, democrats still have an advantage. there's nothing generic about our candidates. when you have women running for office like those that have served our country, deb holland the first native-american woman elected in new mexico. you have a latino running in southern new mexico. i am impressed. >> look at virginia, four incredible women joining the congress and leading not only in texas but pennsylvania. it's incredible to see what's
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happening. i'm excited. >> i see that. that is coming through. thank you so much for being here tonight and playing ball, i appreciate it. when we come back we will talk about new reporting that the president is becoming increasingly -- inaudible -- with north korea. back after this. i'm on the move all day long, and sometimes i don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost to get the nutrition i'm missing. boost high protein now has 33% more protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals. and it has a guaranteed great taste. man: boost gives me everything i need to be up for doing what i love. boost high protein. be up for it.
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it's been a little over a month since president trump hit with king jong unin singapore and declared victory on the nuclear threat posed by north korea, but new reporting, surprise, surprise, suggesting he's already privately fuming over the lack of progress since that meeting. the washington post reports north korean officials failed to uphold their bargain, failing to return communications, demanding more money, cancelling meetings, and the list goes on, and now the top u.s. military commander on the korean peninsula says there's not been a complete shutdown of nuclear production and the facility to make nuclear weapons is largely in tact. there was advice in an interview this morning. >> mr. president, north korea's playing the same game with you they played with every other president. you're being tough on china, and should be, but china is pulling north korea back.
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restart military exercises and put on the table, removing our dependence from south korea as a real stern warning to north korea of what happens if they play you. >> i love that graham looks at the camera saying, "mr. president," here's what to do. that's quite something. great reporting. what is the sense -- does the president being upset about this mean anything changes? >> he's impatient and upset that progress is not there. i mean, there's a huge disconnect between the rhetoric coming out of the president's mouth and we no longer need to consider north korea a threat, and, you know, they're denuclearizing at the snap of the finger, and reality is they are basically playing him and nothing substantive happened since that summit. >> if president trump wanted to win in north korea, and i was on the campaign trail talking to
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democratic and republican voters. they look at him and the leader of north korea in a positive way thinking there could be things done with north korea, it's a good thing. that's a good thing for the president, but, obviously, if that's not happening and he's -- least according to the reporting, asking for daily updates on an issue that has been decades in the making, it's showing he really wants in win, and could be a win that matters, but that's he's not getting right now. >> seems as though things are not going as they were promised. when we return, what to watch for in the week ahead.
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before we go, let's talk about what we are watching in the week ahead. what are you looking for? >> trade. the president is going to iowa and illinois on thursday to promote trade tariffs, but that's a huge issue playing in the midwest as the midterm elections near and we'll see what the message is and whether he's successful. >> using the strategy of checking out with the crowds and let it come back at him. >> if he wants to do that. >> what are you watching for? >> separated families. on thursday, july 26, a judge said all immigrant children separated from the family and eligible for reunification must be reunited with their family. from all the reporting that i've been doing and other reporters at pbs, this government separated families without actually knowing how to get them
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back together so i don't think the government's going to be able to do that. >> right. i'm watching for mike pompeo on the hill to testify about everything that we just talked about, so it's going to be a big week ahead. that's all for us tonight, back with you next week from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. for now, good night from washington. we've got some fresh reporting to add to a couple of the big stories of the day. first, we can report tonight that in the trial of the president's campaign chairman, paulmaniford, and lawyers who are overseeing the trial, received the list of potential jurors in the jury pool for the case. now, we have been expecting the case to start in federal court in virginia on wednesday. this indicates this is on track, and according to our reporting from a source close to the case, both


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