tv The Beat With Ari Melber MSNBC July 24, 2018 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT
the skis were fixed together on a platform, is she was afforded extra stability for an aero dynamic tail. reject the nay sayers. some are born great and others have greatness yanking them around. twiggy, we send you into retirement with our gratitude and admiration. of all the nut jobs out there, your job was truly the nuttiest. that is all for tonight. we will be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." the beat with ari melber. ari, you got beat out to be -- >> i have a question for you. >> i bet you do. >> what is going on over there? >> what, twiggy is retiring, it's a big deal. she was advocating for water safety, always wear a life vest. >> how long have you been interested in this particular story? >> since i saw anchorman. >> and that's a long time.
>> how many years ago was that, now? >> it's a movie that is near and dear to many an anchor person's heart. >> i'm katy tur -- >> i can't play this game with you, katy. >> stay classy, ari melber. >> i can hear people groaning in the background of either your set, or perhaps across america, and that's my fault. but thank you for that news report on twiggy, and stay classy, katy tur. donald trump conceded the russians are hacking and targets our next elections, which might sound like a significant statement. let's be clear, off the top it is not kind of ernest admission. the president is trolling, and distracting and using that punitive admission to falsely assert that putin wants to help democrats. so let's begin tonight instead with the facts of what's really happening, not this -- from the president facing all kinds of legal pressure. over in the real world, off
twitter, donald trump is using the security clearance process to retaliate against intel leaders who criticized him. he's inviting putin to d.c. without telling his own intel chiefs. and he's letting putin's requests to interrogate a former u.s. ambassador dangle out there. and former obama official at the white house today over the issue. so while trump embraces putin and throws shade at democrats, new reports share america contributes separately. hackers argumented control systems for electric utilities. homeland security saying russia is going after our grid. all of this is a big deal. all of this is the real news that trump apparently is not as interested in tweeting about, the first report from washington we're going to show you tonight is significant. it is the u.s. house oversight committee that continues on with what is kind of grinding, sometimes, behind the scenes work. overseeing election security. and there's a congressman on this committee, democrat steven lynch, reacting to what many
national security experts have been calling out, that the u.s. is increasingly vulnerable, heading into the next election, with these new attacks exposed, and even apart from donald trump's own role, what's interesting about what we're about to show you is a confrontation of the argument, pressing the argument that republicans on the hill, who know better, continue to rally around trump's putin policy. >> the republican effort has been to rally around the president, even when he is wrong, even when he puts down publicly our intelligence agencies, even when he disses us and sides with putin. are you kidding me? are you kidding me? this is where we're at now? this is a disgrace. a disgrace. that was a national embarrassment in helsinki. do you stand for democracy? or will you stand with that gangster in moscow?
>> that gangster in moscow. this is a question not only for the white house but for anyone in a position of responsibility. it is the context for donald trump's quite obviously trolling tweet that you see here that russians are meddling to help democrats, a tweet that's not news worthy for its voracity or any kind of admission, but more because the bunchline assumes the russians are meddling, something donald trump has denied. as for the part about favoring the democrats, that claim has been contradicted by everyone from u.s. intelligence leaders hired by trump to of course putin himself who said last week he did indeed prefer a political party. it was trump's party, not the democrats. there's no rule that the president has to keep talking about this, or keep favoring putin. but he does. and that has many americans wondering about the national security priorities of this white house. i begin tonight with a special guest, retired army lieutenant colonel ralph peters, a fox news analyst who left that network
saying it was doing work as a propaganda machine. your view of the import of this tonight, and what it means when the president does resort to an admission, but in such an obviously facile way? >> one mistake that our intelligentsia -- underestimate him, dismiss him as crazy. he may be crazy, but he's a genius at propaganda. as we mock that statement, that putin is out to help the democrats, it plays to his base. and trump is a master of the classic big lie. don't tell little lies, you'll get caught. tell big lies, outrageous lies, and repeat them again and again and reenforce them with these really simple slogans that we also mock, fake news, deep state, media is the enemy of the people. and it works because he repeats it again and again and again and
again until his followers respond automatically. you say mueller investigation, to a supporter, and he will say immediately deep state. it's a form of brainwashing. and frankly, ari, we are helping even by talking about it tonight. because trump's daily goal is to dominate the headlines, for better or worse, he just has to dominate them. and by god, what's he got us talking about tonight? a nonsensical claim that vladimir putin, who owns donald trump, is out to help the democrats. and what's that doing? he's got us talking about something that buries helsinki, and his, to me, evident treason. >> well, you're here to be an anecdote given your experience and your willingness to tell it like it is with regard to the fact checking, which is part of what we do, no matter who's president. let me play a little bit on what rebuts this claim. take a listen. >> did you want president trump to win the election?
>> yes, i did because he talked about bringing the u.s./russia relationship back to normal. >> the finding said putin and the russian government developed a clear preference for president elect trump. >> when you look at that, putin saying it, which may or may not be true, and the u.s. intelligence saying it, what does it mean for us to counter this threat, which obviously is focused on impacting the united states as one nation, but continues to play out as intended, in a very polarizing way where apparently there are some people who are fine with the foreign help, if it helps their side. >> well, one thing we have to do, and i hate to say this, is stop comforting ourselves with a lie that the truth will always win out in the end. when you're dealing with master propagandists like trump or putin, the truth has an uphill battle and you've got to fight it constantly. and by the way, ari, one thing
that putin and trump do have in common is that they're constantly underestimated. american intelligentsia underestimated putin because he didn't go to the right prep schools, terrible table manners, and they dismissed him. putin, trump, what we fail to realize is it's the harvard trained insiders don't change the world. for better or worse, outsiders change history. and, you know, putin has been dismissed as a mere kgb lieutenant colonel, hitler was a lance corporal, jesus was an itinerant rabbi. >> and a carpenter. >> my point is, if you go through history, the people that have forced change for better and worse, and in trump's case distinctly worse, as in putin's case, they're the outsider who
are underestimated. before you know it they're in the white house or in the kremlin. >> look, you're firing on all cylinders tonight, which is why we appreciate you. i think you're making an important, deeper point which is being very wary of patronizing or dismissing the language, the rhetoric, some of the lies that donald trump puts out there, particularly when that is read as being disdainful of his supporters and his followers, and we say that with something we're going to discuss later in the show tonight, which is the president now has the highest intraparty support of anyone since bush after 9/11. telling you something about polarization, even after we also learn tonight he has record high disapproval, over 50%. one more security i want to ask you about will everbefore i losa senator who's waiting, mark warner. when you look at the following, your analysis, put all the politics aside, these hackers
are a threat to our grid. take a listen. >> it is wildly known that the united states is a constant -- at constant threat from cyberattacks, and many of those cyber -- it is not an if, but a when when a massive attack on our grid will occur. >> how concerned should americans be about vulnerability of these grids? >> you should be extremely concerned about the vulnerability, the water system as well as the electricity system, about the banking system, about communications. the russians are -- they've turned -- instead of war being a continuation of politics, for the russians, politics are a continuation of war, or policy is a continuation of war, what they are doing to us, ari, is prepping us for, in a crisis, for their -- them to be capable of just shutting america down. >> right. >> and when we have a president unwilling to protect us,
unwilling to take a stand, as my old drill sergeant said, we're in boku deep kimchi, camerade. >> if i knew what that means -- >> the vets get it. >> you'll have to educate me more. thank you. i turn to senator mike warner, donald trump talking about this in a way that is obviously blatantly misleading. what do you think is actually significant here tonight? same question to you on your concerns about the safety of our grid. >> well, ari, let me take them in reverse order. i've been saying for some time, you know, america just passed a budget, the largest defense budget ever, $713 billion. russia has a defense budget of about $67 billion. we're spending 10x what they're spending.
i worry at times, and this is not a partisan stab at actually trump or any, but that we are -- we may be buying the world's best 20th century military in terms of tanks and guns and trucks when 21st century conflict may be more in the realm of cyber, and misinformation and disinformation. and we see russia actively using these tools. matter of fact, we shouldn't be surprised the equivalent of the chairman of the russian join chiefs of staff back in 2011 said russia couldn't compete with the west with traditional armaments, but within cyber, with misinformation and disinformation, they could compete. frankly whether it is threatening the grid, manipulating elections or manipulating social media, and candidly we're seeing the same tactics come from china in terms of theft of intellectual property and luring in some of our top tech companies in ways that are unfair and biased towards china, i do think we
need a 21st century security doctrine in reference where a lot of these conflicts may take place. i think we're seeing the american intelligence community and others move in that direction, but what makes it so much more challenging right now is when you've got a president, as your previous commentator indicated, that just doesn't acknowledge the threat, doesn't acknowledge the vulnerability. and tends to talk in hyperbole, in ways that frankly should concern all of us. i mean, what i think many of us are appealing to our republican colleagues don't just tweet about it, don't just privately acknowledge how off the rails this president is with his comments and some of his policies, but it's really time for all of us, i think history is going to judge all of us over these coming weeks how we react. >> you say that, you mention your colleagues, john kennedy, a republican, used stark language today about some of the people
targeted by this big, and perhaps melodramatic threat from the white house to take security clearances. yet that issue does have others asking about whether we're facing a kind of enemies list. take a listen. >> mr. clapper and mr. brennan have been acting like political hacks. that's not illegal, but it's unusual. should you revoke somebody's security clearance because they've been acting like a butt head? i don't know. you know, i'm -- maybe the right thing to do is just to ignore the butt heads. >> well, ari, i would more take senator corker's comments. first of all, this white house laid out this so-called enemies list to people that they were threatening, a couple of which you've already had their security clearances revoked when they were either fired or quit, in the case of comey and mccade.
but the idea that long-term intelligence professionals, who've served both presidents of both parties, and in the case of general hayden was actually a republican appointee, the fact that they are expressing their first amendment rights and their now being threatened, that is something that would be the actions that would come out of a venezuela, or definitely the kind of actions that president putin would take against any kind of internal threat. that does not represent who we stand for as a country. frankly, the idea that you're going to threaten somebody based upon them exercising their first amendment rights is pretty astounding. and this is where, again, and i think your previous commentator was right, you know, the president rallies his base with these slogans and broad-based add hom nem attacks, but the facts remain that the majority, overwhelming majority of americans believe the president
got shnookered in held ssinki, he was played. more of my colleagues need to step up with the legislation we're talking about in terms of restraining the president's ability, if the russians, when the russians intervene again, for him not to have an ability to kind of lay off the russians, to of an immediate, additional sanctions or other tools going into place. we need to send a message, even if the president won't stand up for america, that congress as elected representatives were, in terms of national security. >> while i have you, last question, we want to cover a lot of different policy, this supreme court nominee picked by donald trump, with quite a shocker, the unanimous, basically bipartisan appointee decision in the nixon case was that the rule of law apply to the president, and the tapes come out.
judge kavanaugh said maybe that was wrongly decided. does that view concern you, and do you think the white house may have picked him up in part because he's more solicitous towards the nixon view than holding a president accountable? >> well, ari, i think it was pretty remarkable at first that the white house, this president outsourced his supreme court choices to the federalist society. so he already had a prearranged group that was anti-choice, that was anti, you know, the obama era, folks with preexisting conditions, that had all the conservative positions. it is kind of curious, the more we see judge kavanaugh's record about this imperial view of the presidency. if he's not willing to stand with jurisprudence about holding president nixon accountable, lord knows where he stands on this president.
unfortunately, that may be one of the reasons he was selected. >> that's a big question people are asking, was that something that put him somehow head and shoulders above. >> we need to get all -- not only his opinions, but we ought to hold this judge to the same standards that judge kagan was held to, that we ought to be able to at least get a look at his writings and e-mails when he was in the white house for president bush. >> very interesting. senator mark warner, thank you. >> thank you, ari. paul ryan is saying that trump is just trolling people with the issues i was just discussing with senator warner. others say this is a banana republican. michael cohen with a new warning shot tonight about potential cooperation. how trump found a new opponent today, reality itself. >> just remember what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. steve schmidt is happening.
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already lost their clearances, some people keep theirs. it's not really in our purview. >> the banana republic comments -- >> i think he's trolling people. >> howard dean and dnc in the atlantics. governor, it is in the executives purview, the question is whether it's any good as an idea or not, whether it's appropriate, and speaker ryan apparently thinks calling it trolling means it's okay or doesn't have to deal with it. >> well, look, i think speaker ryan more or less signed out quite some time ago. so i don't put a lot of credence into what he says. he's playing it around. i don't think it's a good idea to withdraw people's -- capable people's security clearance. trump talks about removing comey and mccabe's security clearance, already removed, you would him not to know because he doesn't care.
the rest is just political nonsense. it's -- you know, it's vindictive and stupid and bad for the country, like president's presidency. >> christina, take a listen to senator corker comments. here they are now. >> i can't even believe that somebody at the white house thought up something like this. i mean, when you're going to start taking retribution against people who are your political enemies in this manner, that's the kind of thing that happens in venezuela. it's a banana republic kind of thing. >> i don't disagree. i mean, we know that trump is trying to be an authoritarian president. we've seen him ruin relationships with our allies. we see that he admires the philippines, putin, kim jong-un. these are not people known to respect the media or their citizenry. this is a president who likes minions, and they come to him
with -- listen, there's nothing more dangerous than an insecure man. we should be very scared because our president is highly insecure. people come to him every day and evening, before he starts rage tweeting at night and wakes up in the morning at 6:00 a.m. and they say here's another way to get back at the democrats or back at obama or hillary clinton, because he still tweets about them on a regular basis. so what is really dangerous, though, is that the republican party in congress is not doing its job, it's mandated by the framers in the constitution to serve as a check on a president who -- the institution of the presidency has slowly expanded over time since george washington until donald trump. that's not donald trump's fault, per se. but as the pbureaucracy and the presidency has expanded, the presidency has become more and more powerful. the difference is, he's no longer looking to congress as a relationship between obama and the way george bush did, this is a man who sees himself as an
authoritarian. he never had a board of advisers or trustees, it's always been him in charge. and because he likes this idea that he is the big man around the world, even though singapore was a failure, helsinki was a failure, he's not getting anything, but as long as his supporters feel as though he's the strong authoritarian, he'll still keep throwing things into the media and we'll keep talking about it. >> what is the accountability of everyone else. natasha, you could go to a party and you don't know what's going to happen there, and then people start robbing the house. they take the tv, they take the chandelier. they take the candlesticks. at a certain point, if you stay there, even if you don't take the candlesticks, you start to become part of the group robbery. i mean, you're standing by, you're a party to it, rather than doing something, whether that's leaving or getting help or whatever. and so you think about that. take a look at the attorney general of the united states, not a political figure, not a
candidate, the current attorney general, all of this coming in the same week, the same mood, here he was today. >> lock her up? well, i heard that a long time on the last campaign. >> speak to the mainlining of this, those are high school students, look, peer pressure is strong, but those are high school students. the attorney general needs to be able to stand up to drug lords and foreign dictators and high school peer pressure. >> right, the attorney general really could have used this as a teaching moment, perhaps to be the mature one in the room. but this is an example of how the boundaries of what is normal have just expanded so much. and, of course, paul ryan saying that the president was just trolling people by suggesting that he's going to revoke these former high-level intel and
national security officials' clearances is a perfect example of that as well. i mean, we already saw just a few hours ago hogan gidley, one of the white house press people, saying he's already begun. this is not a joke, him trolling, not just a distraction. the slow process of desense -- it's eroded people's ability to distinguish between what is normal, just and fair, and what isn't. and the idea that he would revoke their security clearances, the idea that the attorney general would laugh and say that hillary clinton should be locked up along with these students, it's just -- it's the perfect example of that. and, of course, this is a tool that's going to be used now to allow the president to say, well, if i could revoke these people's security clearances, what else can i do? it's just -- it's a slippery slope.
and paul ryan saying that he's just trolling people, well, he's in for a wake-up call because the president is already looking at how to do this. >> i mean, i couldn't agree more. this is a president also who's testing the boundaries of citizenship, not just his quote/unquote illegals. he's going after people who are green cards and processed as citizens. he is opening up a pandora's box where his party is sitting there, saying, there's nothing to see here, nothing to worry about. but we are in a crisis, and i think the norms that we have become so accustomed to and have quite honestly taken for granted because we thought they were part of an institutional structure, and they're not. and so trump is actually exposing just how tenuous our democracy actually is. >> because institutions are made of? people. >> i mean, people are the ones who actually fundamentally control and lead and guide what this nation should be. >> and the people -- howard dean, take us inside the mind of
a grizzled political veteran in congress who's 60 or 70 or 75. if this is more or less your last chapter of career, maybe not of life, people live very long, but you know you're not at the beginning of your career, why do you think there is so much fear and such an inability of anyone who's an active republican to deal at all with this. >> i think this is the tragedy for our country, what trump has unmasked is not his own lunacy or -- certainly he's had that for a long time. what's been unmasked here is a failure of the country, especially the republican party to stand up for america. the -- it was correct, the statement that the framers tried to set up something that wasn't going to happen. but it relied on individuals to stand up for what they believed was right about america. the republicans have uni formally refused to do that. this man needs to leave office. and the democrats can't do a thing about that. and even if we win both the house and the senate, in the fall, we can't do anything about it because you need two-thirds
of the votes in the senate to get rid of them. we can't do it without republicans. when dick nixon cheated the people and lied to their face, the republicans went to him and said, mr. president, you have to leave office. there is no courage of any kind in the republican party today, the country depends on their courage. >> howard dean, a fitting point to reflect on. up ahead, donald trump saying what you're seeing is not what's happening, an important corrective. steve schmidt is here when we're back in just 30 seconds.
back with the other top story tonight, michael cohen telling people he is ready for a plan to smear trump's campaign if they think the efforts to discredit are known to me, they're sadly mistaken. did they think i was going to roll over and die? these quotes are leaking from sources as prosecutors get their hands on the newest recordings, a person close to co hen saying when michael says he wants the truth out there, the truth is not the president's friend, he's not talking about margeal issues, he's talking about core issues at the heart of the probe. the russia conspiracy, of course, and potential collusion. cohen never served in the white house, so this does sound like cohen's people saying i know
what you did last summer, or a few summers ago in the election. trump's lawyers say they're not afraid of collusion questions, that's the kind of interview, they would allow, they say, one topic for trump. no subject of a probe gets to dictate the topics. we all know that by now. and we also know mueller is probing those obstruction issues around flynn and comey, and around trump coaching witnesses who attended the seemingly incriminating trump tower meeting. while rudy giuliani claims they do want to steer clear of obstruction, it's the white house taking shots at the fbi veterans they ousted. i'm joined by guy lewis, who has worked with mueller, comey and rod rosenstein at the doj. the michael cohen saga seems to have a new chapter every day. but the headline has remained similar since he got to this aggressive phase in the last few weeks. he's sending these messages that he doesn't want to be trifled with, and he's willing to flip. do you think there's anything left for him to say in public,
or is it time to walk down into the office and get it done? >> no, i think -- ari, i think there's still some maneuvering going on here. but this tells me, for sure, this is exactly why the attorney, michael cohen, recorded his client. that's an extraordinary thing. i've been doing this for 35 years, and i've never done it, except as a prosecutor when i was trying to investigate both the lawyer and the client. then i would send the lawyer in and say -- who's cooperating and say, hey, record your client. that didn't happen here. and you saw even the tweet saying from the president saying it's outrageous that my client -- i mean, my lawyer, michael cohen, would record me. but there's a reason why he did it. because he has seen, before, this president attack, attack, attack. and knowing that, he's got these tapes in his pocket, along with documents and maybe some other
memos, and he's going to use them when he needs them. >> when you look at what he is doing, you know, with the team he has around him, do you think these tapes help that much, or when he says to vanity fair through sources, oh it's really about the back story, buzz that imply maybe these tapes aren't as exciting as everyone may have hoped? >> well, it's hard to say at this point, ari. i mean, i know that to waive the privilege, the attorney/client privilege, which is extraordinary. i mean, it's as important as you, your privilege with your priest or your rabbi, i mean it almost never happens as a defense lawyer. there is one way, though, that prosecutors go in and regularly defeat that privilege, and that's the crime fraud exception. nobody's really talking about that right now. and so -- >> we'll talk about it with you. i'll put it up on the screen since you bring it up, waiving
privilege one lawyer argues is better for pr than a judge who says the crime fraud exception applies, determining there was cause to believe communication was made in furtherance of a crime. paul manafort's lawyers were subject to this, and had the privilege expunged by none other than mueller's investigators at an earlier stage in this investigation. >> that's exactly right. it's an aggressive tactic that i've used several times when i was a prosecutor, you go in and you say, judge, they're claiming that these documents, or these tapes, or these other materials are privileged, and i can't look at them, and i can't use them. but, judge, there was no privilege here because a crime was going on. a crime that the defense lawyer was participating in, and a crime that the client was participating in, and therefore, judge, there is no privilege. the only time, ari, that i've seen defense lawyers come out and waive it and basically get
out front of this thing, which is what i think's happening here, is when the government has a well-founded motion. >> guy lewis, always digging underneath the rock and giving us a little extra, thank you very much. up next, donald trump is telling voters, as we showed you, not to believe their own eyes, believe him instead. steve schmidt is here on the president and the truth, up next. let's do this. (♪) okay you gotta be kidding me. hold on, don't worry, there's another way. directions to the greek theater. (beep) ♪can i get a connection? ♪can i get can i get a connection?♪ ♪ohhh can i get a connection? ♪trying find the old me you might or joints.hing for your heart... but do you take something for your brain.
new polls show a majority of americans disapprove of donald trump's performance as president while republicans are more loyal to him right now than any president's own party unity since the gop rallied around bush after 9/11. my next guest worked many republican campaigns, but opposes trump's policies and left the party over them. that's political strategist steve schmidt who joins me in a
moment. donald trump not only polarizes people's feelings, he po larrizes the perceptions of reality. he's in kansas city, warning people if they don't see the economy improving with their own eyes it's because what they see is not real. >> this country is doing better than it's ever done before economically, but it's all working out. and just remember what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. >> while many politicians, of course, cherry pick information, trump's blatant request that people ignore their own eyes could literally be ripped from george orwell's -- the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. now, liberals have long attacked trump as bad for working people, a conman who ran on populism, but governed for the 1%, kind of a policy chief. another critique is that trump
is actually challenging something more valuable than property, our sense of reality itself, consider another dystopian writer curtis jackson who said hate a liar more than i hate a thief. a thief is only after my salary. a liar is after my reality. in fact, in that same song, there is another axiom, quote, here's a jewel, love your enemies and hate your friends, your enemies remain the same, friends always change. and some of the friends who know trump best are changing, michael cohen, rick gates, michael flynn. trump's wider cast of political friends, republicans who've never met him around the country, they're standing strong tonight and appear down with his reality. i'm joined by steve schmidt. what do you think trump is doing, and is he aware, to some degree, that denying the publicly reported reality is key to his reelection? >> of course, ari, you talked about 1984.
there's the famous scene at the end of the book where winston is being tortured and the party official is holding up four fingers and says to winston, how many fingers am i holding up? and winston, being tortured in tears, says i only see four. i see four. and the party official says it could be three, or it could be five, it's what the party tells you it is. and so it's not just that trump is assaulting objective truth. this is a political strategy. this is about a demand for obedience. this is the transformation of a smaller republican party into a cult or personality where what the leader says is true is true. what the leader feels to be true is true. and if you can subordinate reality at the command of a political leader, you are no longer functionally living in a democracy. whether it's inside the united states, or not, for a faction of
this country they have surrendered their sovereignty, their intellectual autonomy to donald trump. now, i'm not a psychiatrist, i'm not a psychologist, i can't explain why if you were to join a cult, why he would be the cult leader you would line up and follow. that being said, though, when you're able to convince somebody what is certainly true is not, when you can embrace the big lie with the same type of effectiveness that fascist movements used it, that hitler used it, that mussolini used it, that soviets used it, then you are well on your way to doing grave and lasting damage to the fundamental institutional pillars of a democratic republic like the united states. >> this president does not stand accused of the conduct of some of those regimes. but with regard to the information there, the propaganda efforts, this seems to be where trump's approach, and his insistence that things
that are true are false relates to the way he's allegedly abusing the powers of the executive to control who has access to information to legitimize who can speak about national security and who can't, which dovetails back with the security clearance story. for your reaction, take a look at sarah sanders on that. >> is russia still targeting the u.s., mr. president? >> thank you very much. >> you don't believe that to be the case? >> you had a chance to speak with the president after those comments, the president said thank you very much, and was saying no to answering questions. the president is exploring these mechanisms to remove security clearance, because they've politicized and in some cases actually monetized their public service and their security clearances and making baseless acquisitions of improper contact with russia, or being influenced by russia against the president is extremely inappropriate.
>> steve? >> ari, it's not just that there's no other spokesperson for the executive seat of power in a democratic republic anywhere in the world where you see that type of lying, it's that there has never been a spokesperson for the executive seat in power who is such a prolific liar as sarah sanders. she is straight out of baghdad bob. it's truly remarkable the magnitude of her daily lying. but, look, this is all part of a political strategy. and i've talked about it before. trump used his mass rallies and constant lying to incite fervor in a political base. two, he scapegoats minority populations and casts them to be blamed for every problem in the world. three, he allows for his supporters to feel victimized, to feel victimized by the scapegoated populations, everyone is a victim in trump
nation, by design. it's part of the fuel. the last thing is the conspiracy. the coordination of the conspiracy between the deep state, the nefarious sources, the people when he talked about, for example, clappers, someone got to him yesterday, and then lastly the assertion that trump is above the law by trump himself. that trump defines what is reality. that trump defines what's truth. and that trump asserts heretofore unasserted powers for the executive in the united states that have never been asserted in history before. i mean, these five things are happening. they're happening on a daily basis. the assault on the press, on the free media. we still have a first amendment in this country, but he is as hostile to the free media as any president has ever been and any president could conceivably be in the united states. and so all of these things
together are not isolated. it's part of a pattern. it's part of a strategy. and it's going to do grave damage to american democracy. and this is a moment in time where republican leaders who have been complicit, silent and cowardice are called on to defend the institutions, not of conservatism, not of small liberalism that the democratic party embraces, but the fundamental pillars of a democratic society, which he is weakening every day. >> that's the connection you draw assault on facts, the abuse of power, undermining of the rule of law, law that adjudicates certain factual debates in this country, all of those things happening together. steve schmidt, thank you for joining "the beat" tonight. we are 48 hours with a deadline to reunite thousands of
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