tv All the Presidents Men MSNBC July 29, 2018 6:00pm-9:01pm PDT
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>> here comes the president's helicopter landing on the plaza of the east side of the east front of the capitol. the helicopter hovering gently, just off the ground. amazing timing. the president's flying all the way across the world, across the atlantic ocean, arriving almost exactly, exactly as scheduled at 9:30 in the capital plaza so that he can go up the steps of the house of representatives, go into the chamber, address the members of the house of the senate, the supreme court, the diplomatic core of washington, all of whom are inside waiting for him in the chamber in the house of representatives. >> the president of the united states. [ applause ] the president accompanied by the committee down the central
aisle. greets members of his cabinets and those waiting to be confirmed as members of his cabinet as he is due to address them. shakes hands with the speaker. happy president, smiling. ladies and gentlemen, president nixon will in a moment address the congress and the people of the united states. [ applause ]
up! drop that jacket! >> walkie talkie, two.35 millimeter cameras. got it. that's good. all right, stay there. >> i got something for you. see this? couple sleeping in bed, targets the house, goes through the bed, comes out the house. one of the burglars had $814. one 230, one 215, and one 234. most of it in $100 bills and in sequence. woodward? >> yeah. >> been a break in democratic he headquarters. there's been an arrest. check the time of the arrest and get there. woodward, it was national democratic headquarters. >> got it. anything else?
>> anything else? a break-in, car crash, that's not bad for a saturday. >> let me know what happens. got anything? >> i know someone on the staff of watergate. finish one story before getting on another. >> i finished it. >> the virginia legislation story? >> i finished it. >> all right, then, give it to me. >> i'll work the phones. >> you work the phones. >> sorry. excuse me, i'm sorry, who are the lawyers for the five men arrested in watergate, do you know? >> well, these two were assigned to it. >> i'm sorry? >> these two were appointed to the case. but only now it turns out the burglars have their own counsel. >> burglars have their own counsel? >> that's right. >> that's kind of unusual, wouldn't you say? >> for the burglars, it's unusual. >> you know the name of the counsel? >> i don't know. some country club type.
>> your honor, $300 -- >> excuse me, what is your name? >> i'm bob woodward of the "washington post." >> mr. martin. >> are you here in connection with the watergate bribery? >> i'm not here. >> okay. >> to prove i'm not here, not only as an individual, not the attorney of record. >> who is? >> mr. starkey. you have -- >> whatever you want, you'll have to get from him. i have nothing more to say.
>> that's starkey, s-t -- mr. starkey was helpful, four cuban-americans and another man, james w. mccord. >> i have nothing more to say. >> i understand that. what i don't understand is how you got here. >> there's nothing more mysterious. >> well, awhile ago, i talked to a couple of lawyers assigned to remit burglars. >> so. >> they never would have been assigned to represent the burglars unless burglars and ranged their own counsel, but they didn't because no one made a phone call. if no one asked you here, why are you here? >> i don't want you taking this personal mr.? >> woodward. >> mr. woodward, i just don't have anything to say. >> your honor, a young man with
no prior record, release on personal bond. >> do one of the other men involved in the break-in call you? >> what reason do you have to assume there's other people involved? >> one of your clients was arrested for the walk-in -- >> they are not my clients. i don't want to talk about this anymore. >> you're a lawyer, and you're here. >> well, yeah. one of the defendants is mr. barker and i, we met at a social occasion once. >> where? >> i have nothing else to say. >> a miami social occasion. mr. stark said the cubans were from miami. >> please step forward. charged with burglary too. mr. tucker, you represent all five? >> yes, your honor.
>> all five gentlemen charged be burglar by in the second degree? >> yes, sir. >> state your name. >> barker, anticommunist. >> anticommunist? that, sir, is not your average professi profession. >> james mccord, security consultant. >> with? >> recently retired. >> where? [ inaudible ] >> where? >> the cia. >> martinez, known as gene valdez. edward martin, also known as frank, all five men had at least one alias. >> proof they were trying to bump the democratic chairman? >> they would not go above secretary. >> no, there's no proof. >> i called the lawyer in miami supporting him, and the guys
arrested were from miami. >> yeah. barker. >> involved in cia activities. >> yeah. >> and they all -- >> only one of them was admitted to cia, and cia did not confirm that and denied knowing mccord. >> it was obvious with that money and kwichequipment, they not diversifying themselves. someone hired them. >> i'm not interested in what's obvious, but what you don't, like why they wanted to bug democratic headquarters, working for themselves or other organizations. >> a story or crazy cuban. >> take it easy when you get down there. the police are nervous. [ phone ringing ] >> yep. >> calling from police headquarters. >> yep. >> they showed what they found in the hotel room of the watergate burglars. ing? -- something here you want to look into. >> go ahead. >> a strange entry in the
address books that says "hhwh," and the other says "howard hunt." >> you can dial the white house direct, can't you? >> yes. >> the number? >> 456-1414. >> white house. >> howard hunt, please. >> mr. hunt is not here just now. he might be in mr. colson's office. i'll connect you. >> thank you. >> mr. colson's office. >> mr. hunt, please. >> mr. hunt's not here just now. >> do you know when he'll be back? >> no, i don't. >> thank you. >> have you tried the law firm? >> pardon? >> he works in public relations. >> diefo you have a phone on th? >> no, i don't, i'm sorry.
>> okay, thank you. >> who is charles colman? >> sit down. i'm glad you asked me that question, and the reason i'm glad you asked me, if you're that bad, i'm going to have to fire this schmuck because he's so dumb. >> who is he? >> the most powerful man in the united states other than president nixon. you heard of him. he's special counsel to the president. the caption reads, if you got him by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow. -welcome. -[ gasps ] a bigger room?! -how many of you use car insurance? -oh. -well, what if i showed you this? -[ laughing ] ho-ho-ho! -wow. -it's a computer. -we compare rates to help you get the price and coverage that's right for you.
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>> one moment, please. >> who do we have here? >> hi, i'm bob woodward of the "washington post." >> yes, yes, what is it? >> i was just kind of wondering why your name and phone number were in the address book of the two of the men arrested in watergate. >> good god. >> you care to comment? >> the matter is under adjudication, i have no comment. >> bob woodward with the washington post, told you worked with the mr. howard hunt. >> why would anyone say that? >> do you know mr. hunt? >> i don't believe so, i don't know why anyone would say that. listen, i'm sorry, but i was on the way out, good-bye. >> can you just confirm a couple -- bye. >> did you say "the washington post"? >> yes. >> no publishing firm was listed in connection with howard hunt. >> he's one of our employees,
wrote a spy novel, say "wrote," no longer with you at this time? >> no, not at this time. >> how long has it been since you heard from him? >> years, i think. >> do you have the names of novels he's written. hello, is there mr. paul herera? this is bob woodward of the washington post -- >> again. >> do you speak english? uno momento. do any of you guys speak english -- or spanish? senor -- >> si? >> comprende -- never mind, thank you, de nada. thank you, never mind. >> hello?
>> this is mr. woodward from the washington post, sorry to bother your home, i wanted information on one of your employees, howard hunt. >> what kind of information? >> profile information, for example, we know he worked for mullen company as a writer, he's also a novelist, works in the office of mr. charles colson of the white house. >> and cia. >> and the cia. >> well, if you're conducting the kind of investigation, certainly, it comes as no surprise to you that howard was with the cia. >> no, no, no surprise at all. >> worked for the cia from '49 to '70 on deep background but the fbi think he's involved with the break-in. >> what else? >> hunt worked there as a consultant for colson, that's charles colson. president's special counsel. >> did you talk to them. >> hunt had not worked there for three months, and a pr guy did a weird thing to me. he said, i'm convinced that
neither mr. colson or anyone else at the white house had any knowledge of or participation in this deplorable incident at the democratic national committee. >> isn't that what you expect him to say? >> absolutely. >> so? >> i never asked about watergate. i simply asked what were hunt's duties in the white house. they volunteered he was innocent, but nobody asked if he was guilty. >> be careful how you write it. >> looks like you have a white house consultant connected. >> we need a top political writer on it. >> on what? this is not the primaries. this guy busted his ass. >> been on the paper for nine months, what's the matter with you? >> what's he been writing about? restaurants? he has no experience. >> minor incidents, small government agencies. have mr. moffit and mr. bradley.
>> of course. that's if we build it into something. he's been busting his ass. >> i wrote what he wrote on the break-in. >> what's the matter with you, you said yourself you were going to fire him last month. >> look, he wants on the story bad. they both do. he knows a lot of people. >> howard, the hungry. remember when you were hungry? >> hello? >> all right.
>> i know. >> how's it going? >> what are you doing? polishing. >> what? >> polishing. >> what's wrong with it? >> nothing, nothing, it's good. >> what are you doing? >> i'm just helping, it's a little fuzzy. >> can i have it? >> you don't know what you're saying to me. >> i know exactly. >> i don't know who works for who. >> can i have it? >> i'm not looking for a fight. >> i'm not only. you've only been here nine months. >> what's that got to do with anything? >> i've been in the business 16. >> what are you saying? >> if you read mine and then yours -- >> may i read yours? >> yes. >> if i gave you a glance and i'll just refine it. first paragraph needs more clarity. the readers have to understand you don't mention colson's name until the third paragraph. mine is better.
you go ahead and read, if yours is better, turn yours in. i have colson's name up front. did the white house consul standpoint and nobody knows it. >> yours is better. >> if you're going to do it, do it right. here's my notes. if you're going to hide it, hide it with facts. i don't care what you did, but the way you did. >> woodward. you're pulled on the story. >> yeah. >> hey, what's the name of that girl? >> why are you looking at me like that? >> you're attractive. you are very attractive. >> my girlfriends told me to
watch out for you. >> who? >> i'm not giving any names. >> people said you work for colson. >> crazy. i never worked for colson. >> that's what you're saying. >> i was an assistant. never told me secrets anyway. and if i had one, i wouldn't know anything. >> do you know a howard hunt? did he work in the office? >> yeah, i knew howard. >> all right. >> he's a nice person. he's secretive. he is secretive, but a decent man. >> do you have any idea what he'd do? >> the white house said he's doing investigative work. >> or used to? >> you're doing investigative work. >> on what? >> different things. >> like what? i'm just asking you.
>> well, scuttlebutt was that he was investigating candidates. >> why? >> white house's real paranoid about teddy kennedy. i remember seeing a book on his desk, getting material from the white house library, library of congress, and anything he could find. >> white house library. >> hi, this is carl bernstein of the washington post, and can you remember any books that a howard hunt checked out on senator kennedy. >> howard hunt? >> yes, ma'am. >> yes, i think i do remember. >> uh-huh. >> took out a whole lot of materials. why don't you hold on, and i'll see. >> i sure will, thank you very much. >> mr. bernstein.
>> yes, ma'am. >> i was wrong. the truth is, i don't have a mr. hunt. >> uh-huh. >> i don't remember getting the material for -- i do remember getting materials for somebody, but it was not for mr. hunt. >> all right. >> the truth is, i just don't have all you requested. >> oh. >> the truth is, i don't know of any mr. hunt. >> i was just wondering if any -- if you have any books -- hello? >> checking into that information now. we'd just like to find out what it was hunt did as he worked as a white house consultant. yes, appreciate that if you could, yes, thank you. >> just got off the phone with the white house librarian. want to look at the notes on it? >> oh, this is some stuff from the eisenhower campaign, 1952,
that hunt was connected with. >> did you call the white house communications office? >> just got off the phone with the librarian. >> 52 -- >> i know the number. >> the first and second, there's a complete contradiction in a space of five seconds. >> all one conversation? this is bob woodward, can i speak with mr. clarkson, please? >> one moment, please. >> came back on the phone -- >> this is bob woodward, bernste irgs in had a conversation with the librarian, saying howard hunt took out books first, and then she denied even knowing who he was. i was wondering if you'd like to comment on this confusion. >> oh, listen, let me call you back on this matter. i'm going to check into it. >> okay, thank you. >> this was all one conversation?
>> yeah. first of all, i got a bunch of books on hunt, and five seconds later, i don't know a mr. hunt, and -- >> it was just a paper that said hunt was taking books out on kennedy. >> books in library of commerce, but what's important is somebody got to her in that space of time. >> how doou you know? >> there was a lot of books hunt checked out, and comes back and said -- >> mr. woodward, we are calling back. i just talked with the librarian, and she denies that the conversation with mr. bernstein every took place, and she referred him -- >> excuse me, sorry, you said she denies knowing about the conversation taking place? >> that's right. she said someone did call her asking about mr. hunt, but all she did was refer him to the press office, and she denies that anything else took place. i hope that's been of some help to you. >> thank you. >> uh-huh.
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you want all the material requested by the white house? all white house transactions are confidential. thank you very much, gentlemen. >> you need a sympathetic face. you're not going to find one here. you want every request since when? >> when did he start? july '71 in i imagine the whole last year. >> i'm not sure you want them, but i got them. ♪
>> what about colson at the white house -- >> special consultant to the president at the white house. >> the address? >> yeah. >> i was not the reporter at the time. >> take it in, show it. >> come on, move on it now. >> okay, let's have it. >> good solid piece of american journalism that the "new york times" doesn't.
>> library and secretary, hunt looked at a book. that's not good. >> white house told me hunt was investigating kennedy. >> who was it? >> who was it? you want the name, you mean? >> no, no, how senior, how high up? >> i don't know, tyler. >> you said the white house was investigating kennedy? >> very special interest in. >> you have a white house librarian saying hunt checked out a lot of books, we have one -- >> all right. stop. >> that's a page worth story. >> take it inside someplace.
>> this is woodward. i want to talk about watergate. i know a great -- >> we don't have to talk about that subject. >> well, we talked about wallace. >> but this is different. >> that was about the shooting of a man running for president. >> this is different. >> how? >> not about this story, don't call me again. >> fisher lost the opening match last night after walking out during the match for 30 minutes, corrections, and directions of television camera which were later withdrawn.
>> stuck. >> the story has stalled on us. >> and you thought i'd help? >> i'll never quote you. i wouldn't quote you as an anonymous source. you'd be in deep background. you can trust me, you know that. come on. >> can you tell me what you know? >> you tell me what you know. >> hunt worked for colson at the white house. hunt was investigating kennedy. >> that should tell you a lot. what else? >> we're beginning to hear a lot about a lawyer named gordon liddy who -- [ whistling ]
gordon liddy was fired because he wouldn't talk to the fbi. >> do you want to hear me? talk. i went to a party once, and lady put his hand over a candle and he kept it there, right in the flame until the flaesh was burned. one said, what's the trick? he said the trick is not minding. >> the story is dry. all we got are pieces we can't seem to figure out what the puzzle is supposed to look like. john mitchell resigns. says he wants to spend more time
with his family. >> of course. you don't exactly believe that. >> no, but it's touching. >> you forget the myths the media created about the white house. the truth is, they're not very bright guys, and things got out of hand. they want to come in from the cold. >> supposedly he's got a lawyer with $25,000 and a brown paper bag. >> follow the money. >> what do you mean? >> i can't tell you that. >> but you could tell me that. >> no. i have to do this my way. you tell me what you know, and i'll confirm. i'll keep you in the right direction if i can, but that's all. just follow the money.
♪ >> damn "new york times." >> phone phone calls and those phone calls were made as early as march 15th which is a few three months before the break-in. >> $89,000 in mexican checks? >> how did we get this? who are their sources? >> i even know someone who works on the phone company. >> carl, if he wanted your phone records he'd be running around yelling invasion of privacy. >> isn't it accurate? >> but i can't get you a fuller listing. >> why? >> they've subpoenaed all of barker's e-mails. trying to figure out if he violated any florida law. >> who is he? >> the miami d.a. >> what's his name? >> i don't know his name but the
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hi. >> hello. >> i'm carl bernstein. i had a 9:15 appointment. >> i'm afraid mr. dardis won't be able to see you. his calendar is full. >> i made the appointment with him personally. >> it should have been made through me. if you'd like to wait. >> i guess it's difficult when he makes his own appointments. >> yes, well, we try to handle it.
>> it's 4:00, we'll be back in 15 minutes. you want anything? >> coffee, black. >> coffee, black. >> i'm still here. >> i'm so glad. if you could just get me in to see him for five minutes. >> we're going to try. oh, hi. he's expecting you. >> you have a couple things to do. i'll be at the sheraton if you want to reach me. if he has any space tomorrow, i appreciate it. >> fine. >> thank you for your patience. >> thank you, mr. bernstein. tomorrow should be better. >> i guess so. >> mr. dardis' office.
>> mr. bernstein has just left. he'll be available all day tomorrow. i think we can probably squeeze him in around 4:30. >> yes. >> and please tell mr. dardis that he doesn't want to be late for his 6:30 appointment. >> yes, i will. >> thank you. mr. dardis' office. >> this is martinson at the county clerk's office. there's some records that dardis wanted right away. could you come and get them? we're closing. >> yes, i'll be right over. >> excuse me.
>> all right. hold it. what? can i help you in some way? >> i'm carl bernstein. i've been waiting here since 9:00. >> i've been waiting since 9:00 this morning. >> go ahead and finish your call. >> wait outside. >> no, no, i'm the reporter from "the washington post." we talked on the telephone yesterday and you told me to come on down here and i'm here. >> i've got the press here. i'm going to have to call you back. >> if you didn't want to see me, i don't know why you didn't tell me when i was in washington. i waited a whole day. my paper is waiting for a story. i've got a 9:30 appointment. i've been waiting out here all day. >> caught me on the worst day possible. the man i work for is going to start a re-election campaign. you'll have to see me tomorrow. >> i'm facing a deadline. >> i'm sorry -- >> mr. dardis, i'm really very sorry about this. mr. bernstein -- >> this gentleman made the appointment with me specifically and i think "the washington post" deserves the same courtesy as any of the people waiting out there. >> i'll buzz you in about five
minutes. >> she takes good care of me. the fact is we just can't go into it this evening. it's going to have to wait until tomorrow. >> well, i just wish you could have told me that before i left. i have to go back to my paper and write that story one way or another. that's all. >> you want to see mr. barker's phone records and money records? >> you told me you'd show me everything you have on barker. that's all i want. >> well, that's what i've got. >> well, that's fine. >> okay. you and i have to have an agreement that you'll not reveal the source of your information. all these are cashiers checks on -- >> all mexico city? all these checks from mexico? >> you see? how come? did the money originate there? >> i doubt it started off as pesos. well, wait a minute. what's this one? >> what's -- okay, $25,000. >> is that dahl? kenneth h. dahlberg. haven't been able to ascertain who that is. >> bob, i think i've got
something. somewhere in this world there's a kenneth h. dahl berg. we have to get to him before "the new york times" does. i think they have the same information. write this down. kenneth h. dahlberg. write this down. dahlberg. >> more recently expressed doubts and said eagleton must make a decision whether to stay or leave the ticket. >> you're the one that wanted the articles on kenneth h. daulgberg? >> yeah. >> couldn't find anything in the clip file at all. >> wonderful. >> i did find one picture, though. if it's any help. >> thanks. >> minnesota? minneapolis, minneapolis.
>> i base that conclusion upon my consultations with his doctors and personal and political -- >> outside line, please. >> yes. >> thank you. >> but the public debate over senator eagleton's past medical history continues to divert attention from the great national issues that need to be discussed. i have referred to the growing pressures to ask for senator eagleton's withdrawal. we have also seen -- >> hello? >> could i please -- >> hello? >> mr. dahlberg? >> yes. >> kenneth dahlberg? >> yes. >> this is bob woodward of "the washington post."
>> yes? >> about that $25,000 check deposited in the bank account of one of the watergate burglars, mr. bern ard barker. as you know, sir, the check has your name on it. we were doing a story on this and i was wondering if you would care to comment or explain. >> i turn all my money over to the committee. >> what committee is that, sir? the committee to re-elect? >> yes, yes. >> why would you do that? >> i raise a lot of money. i'm midwest finance chairman. >> for the committee to re-elect? hello? >> yes, that's right. >> how do you think your check got into the bank account of the watergate burglar? >> i'm a proper citizen. what i do is proper. >>. >> oh, i understand. >> i've just been through a terrible ordeal. my neighbor's wife has been kidnapped. >> oh. how do you think your check got into barker's account, though?
>> committee to re-elect the president. >> could i please speak to clark macgregor. >> one moment. i'll connect you. >> yes? >> mr. macgregor? >> yes. >> this is bob woodward of the "washington post." hello? >> yes. >> this is bob woodward of "the washington post." >> uh-huh. >> i just spoke to a mr. kenneth dahlberg who says he is midwest finance chairman. >> yeah, i know ken dahlberg. >> well, i can't seem to get an
explanation on why a check for $25,000 made out to mr. dahlberg that he sent to the committee to re-elect the president would end up in the bank account of a watergate burglar. >> i don't know. >> you're head of the committee. >> i just came aboard. john mitchell was the head of the committee. he might known. >> what was the explanation -- >> i don't know. you're implying that i should know. if you print that, our relationship will be terminated. >> the issues of the campaign are peace and prosperity, not a campaign check. this happened before i came aboard. >> mr. dahlberg on line two. >> i've raised $60 million and you're asking about a $25,000 check. >> mr. macgregor, could you hold one second, please? >> all right. >> yes? >> hello? mr. dahlberg? >> yes. could you please hold. one second, sir. >> yes. >> mr. macgregor, can i call you right back? >> okay. >> very sorry. mr. dahlberg. >> yeah, i'm sorry i hung up
before. i wasn't sure you were a "washington post" reporter. >> i believe we were talking about a $25,000 check. >> obviously, this is difficult for me. i'm caught in the middle of something and i don't know what. >> what do you think it could be? >> i deal with a lot of important people. >> people who work for the committee? hello? >> the committee. >> the committee to re-elect the president? >> yes. >> you see, i raised that money in cash. and i have a winter home in florida. >> is that miami? >> boca raton. and i didn't want to carry all that cash around. now you can understand that. >> oh, of course i can. >> so i had it exchanged for the cashier's check. >> how do you think it got into barker's account? >> i know i shouldn't be telling you this. i gave it to mr. stans. >> i beg your pardon?
>> i gave it to stans. >> maurice stans? the head of finance for nixon? >> yes, in washington. how what he did with it, i really do not know. >> i see. were there any other checks that you might be aware of that could have -- >> that's all i have to say. >> mr. macgregor -- mr. dahlberg, i'm sorry. thank you very much. >> bob? >> carl bernstein on line one. >> one? yeah. >> i think i got a lead on dahlberg. >> i got it. i just talked to him. i just hung up. it goes all the way to stans. >> what? >> he gave the check to stans
for the committee to re-elect. >> did he say that? >> he said that. i've got it in my notes. >> it's down on the record, bernstein. >> the money winds up in the account of a burglar? >> yes. >> fantastic. i'm coming home. >> -- by naming eagleton as his running mate. the move surprised the old pros. but it paid off in support for the democratic ticket. >> what happened to that taiwan thing? >> japan is going to break diplomatic ties with taiwan and recognize they're china. the irony, of course, is a direct result of nixon's visit to china. >> what did he say to them? >> that's a great parallel story if you're going to do that piece of detente. >> queen elizabeth proclaims a state of merge to deal with the dock strike. >> that could be a human interest. 31 days of a rain in the philippines is being blamed on the theft of a statue of jesus.
>> i'll put my best write or that. >> what about the one in india months ago? >> it will be the only story everyone reads. >> the bremer diary. wished to kill nixon. took a car trip to new york, ottawa and washington to kill him. the senator proving the abm treaty and mcgovern offering the vp spot to everybody. >> yeah, that's news. because everybody has been offered it. now i'll tell you what will be news. when somebody accepts it. that will be news. >> here's some great art. mcgovern and humphrey, breakfast, smiling their asses off. is that great? >> oh, look at that. why is that man smiling? >> friendly. very friendly. i'll be helping him in ways never dreamed possible. >> breakfast followed by lunch. got a good picture? >> metro? >> the schoolteachers on capitol hill. they want a 17% increase in pay
or this fall they go on strike. >> harry, i think we could mention this might be the time to go to the front page on the district home rule. >> oh, come on. >> listen to him. >> ben, this to this time it could go all the way. the house is going to vote next week on a senate resolution. >> okay, when they pass it we'll run with it. >> okay, fellas. foreign? >> taiwan emergency, philippines. >> fine. >> national? >> eagleton follow-ups, mcgovern not being able to get a replacement. >> ignoring the importance of the dahlberg repercussions. >> nobody cares. >> our story got the general accounting office to start an audit with creep finance. >> when the audsit done we'll print that, too. >> let me tell you what haptd today. i was having lunch at the sans souci and -- this white house guy, a good one, a pro came up and asked what is this watergate
compulsion with you guys. >> compulsion? >> it's a story, not a compulsion. i said, well, we think it's important and he said if it's so important, who are woodward and bernstein? what do you expect to say from the white house? you're doing a great job? >> why don't you ask him what he's really saying? he wants to take the story away from woodstein and give it to -- >> heess got to have experienced guys sitting around who know the positions and have some contacts. >> you said it. sitting around. >> it's a dangerous story for this paper. >> what if your boys get it wrong? >> then it's our ass, isn't it? we'll all have to go out and work for a living. national gets eight columns. nine for foreign. metro, 15. that's it, fellas. >> okay. >> could have been worse. >> scott, need to see you. how dangerous?
>> well it's not just that we're using unnamed sources that bothers me or everything we print the white house denies. but that almost no other papers are reprinting our stuff. >> what then? >> there are over 2,000 reporters in this town. are there five on watergate? where did "the washington post" suddenly get the monopoly on wisdom? why would the republicans do it? mcgovern is self-destructing, just like humphrey, muskie, the bunch of them. i don't believe the story. doesn't make sense. [telephone ring] ahoy-hoy. alexander graham bell here... no, no, my number is one, you must want two! two, i say!! like my father before... [telephone ring] like my father before... ahoy-hoy!
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convention? >> bob, frances is on the phone. >> tell her i'll call her back. >> all right. >> ben, it's the hottest item. it's in over 500 papers. >> what is it? >> yesterday's weather report for people who were drunk and slept all day. >> send it to the san francisco chronicle. >> how about the crossword puzz snell anagrams? >> no space, mickey. >> make them buy something. >> what do you want? >> the gao report is due out the morning of nixon's renomination. >> sit down. that's two weeks from now. >> since they're only responsible to congress, there's no way the white house can control the investigation. >> there's a source at general accounting that tells us there's a whole rat's nefts of illegal -- going on over at creep. >> like what? >> like a slush fund. >> hundreds of thousands of
dollars of unaccounted for cash. >> hundreds of thousands? >> yes. >> unavailable for comment. they're not talking. >> besides the money, where's the story? >> the money is the key to whatever this is. >> says who? >> deep throat. >> who? >> oh, that's woodward's garage freak. his source in the executive. >> garage freak? what kind of a crazy story is this? who did you say? >> he's on deep background. i call him deep throat. >> look, mcgovern's dropped to nothing. nixon's guaranteed the renomination. the post is stuck with the story no one else wants. it will sink the paper. everyone says get off it, ben, and i come on very sage and say, well, you'll see. wait until this bottoms out. but the truth is, i can't figure out what we've got. what else are you working on? >> we're after a list of creep employees. >> where is it? >> it's classified. >> how your going to get it?
>> haven't had any luck yet. >> get some. anything else? >> you made a mistake in there. >> what? >> you said we haven't had any luck yet. that's the thing he jumps on. you can't talk about luck and you can't talk in specifics, you shouldn't say anything. >> is there any place you don't smoke? >> what? >> hold it. >> what are you doing? >> kay eddy. doesn't she go with a guy that works for the committee to re-elect? >> meet me at 4:00. >> all right. >> eddy? >> 757-6521. >> okay. i'll get back to you on this.
thanks. >> don't you go with a guy that works for the committee to re-elect? >> not anymore. >> you did go with him, though? i think you were engaged to him, weren't you? >> yeah. >> you got out of it? >> so? >> you're looking better. >> look, we need a list of people that work there. do you think that -- >> i can't do that. >> why not? >> it's personal. >> what do you mean? you said it was over. >> you're asking me to use a guy i care about. >> no, no, we're not asking you to use him. just to help us. >> well, sure you are. >> we'd do the same for you. >> my only chance of getting that story is if i see him. i don't want to see him again. >> do you have to see him? can't you just call him up on the telephone and say you want to have a drink. the relationship is over. what the hell do you have to lose? >> forget it.
we don't dwroupt do anything that would embarrass you that you don't feel right about. forget it. >> don't let her get off like that. she was going to say something. >> you're overdramatizing. she was going to give us what we wanted. >> it was over. >> what? >> it was over. >> this looks like your story. take a look at it. >> check this out.
>> is this the whole list? >> look what it says. personnel. committee to re-elect the president. >> this is all in alphabetical order. you can't tell who works for who. >> find out the department. mitchell, magruder, stans. here, john mitchell. 301. find somebody who has a number close to it. they probably work -- >> here's a 303. >> okay. >> okay. we have to find out how money got from stans to the burglars. >> somebody who worked in finance. >> here's the hfd finance. maurice stans, 269. if we can just get somebody who works under stans. >> sloan. you need him? >> he's the treasurer. >> what's the number? >> hugh sloan, 287. >> is there a secretary? >> manley. irene manley. 1406, lee jackson memorial
highway. >> hi. i'm bob woodward. >> i'm carl bernstein from "the washington post." we'd like to speak to you. we understand your daughter works for the committee to re-elect. it wouldn't be anything embarrassing. would you object to just -- >> yes. miss milland? >> yes. >> i'm bob woodward. >> i'm carl bernstein. we're from "the washington post." >> i know you're trying to do your job. you don't understand the pressure we're under. >> no, we understand that there was some documents that were shredded at the committee. >> well, they -- there's often shredding. we do that a lot. >> were you there during the shredding? >> yes, i was. >> were there any department heads from the committee who were also present? >> yes. mr. mitchell came in one night. >> john mitchell? >> yes. >> the attorney general. >> he was caring a raincoat over his head, you know, because it was -- i thought he was going to go -- woo-hoo. >> did he supervise the
shredding? >> can i not answer any more questions? i'd just soon as not. maybe i could call you. >> are you being told not to talk? >> i don't know. i'll try. >> what about all that shredding that took place right after the break-in. >> we need to know more about the papers in the shredding. >> you have some idea when the attorney general comes in to the committee and he's got a raincoat over his head. >> it could be raining. >> you've got a woman frighten at the door. she works for creep. the shredding is taking place. we don't know what's in the papers. the former attorney general comes in there with an overcoat over his head. could be raining. there's a lawyer present. we don't know what he asked them. tell me where there's a story. >> there's a story in the fact the interview did not take place in her home but in the office of the committee to re-elect. there's a lawyer in the office. you're more resistant than she is. >> that's right. >> why? >> because there's not enough fact. >> let's turn around and go and
question her again. >> this won't take long at all. >> please go away, okay? please leave before they see you. >> who do you mean they? could you give us their names? >> we haven't revealed the sources of people that have talked to us. >> you know, i really can't talk about this because -- >> would they be members of the committee? >> someone got to that woman. >> it's a cover-up. >> how can you write there's a cover-up. we don't know that there's a cover-up. >> what do you need? tell me what you need. >> i need more fact for a story and i think you should need the same thing. if you get in a car -- >> if there's music playing in the car, hypothetically, for ten minutes and there's no commercial, what can you deduce from that? is it a.m. or f.m.? >> a guy who come up to me on the street and can ask me an address, now is the man interrogating me or is he lost?
what kind of a story do i write? what deduction do i make from that? >> you don't have a gut feeling that the woman is trying to help us? >> i don't have a gut feeling. i wish i did. >> we're from "the washington post." >> is abbott here? abbott, addison, augusto, alberts. is there something that strikes you as odd about this? >> what? >> it's almost like there's a pattern to the way they're not talking. the way they're saying no all the time. it's odd. mrs. hambling? >> yes. >> hi. we're from "the washington post." >> i'm carl bernstein. this is bob woodward. >> a friend of the committee said that we could contact you. >> who was it? >> we can't reveal that. >> we don't want to reveal our sources. >> you people think you can come into my home, ask a few questions, have me sdoi the
repitatire -- destroy the reputations of men that i work for and respect? do you understand loyalty? have you ever heard of loyalty? >> hi. >> yes? >> i'm bob woodward. carl bernstein. we're from "the washington post." >> yes. i've read what you've written. i wanna thank you. i've been a republican all my life, but this goes beyond party politics. >> would you mind if we asked you a few questions? >> no, no, come in. would you like coffee? >> sure. what they've done is a threat to the constitution. it goes against everything we stand for. >> could you be a little more specific than that? >> i'm afraid your articles have just scratched the surface. >> you don't mind if we just take a few notes, do you? >> no. >> how long have you worked at the committee? >> committee? >> yes, the committee to re-elect the president. >> oh, no, i don't work at the president to re-elect the
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hi. i'm carl bernstein of "the washington post." i just want to ask you a couple questions. >> you don't want me. you want my sister. it's for you. it's carl bernstein. >> oh, my god. he's the guy from "the post." >> can i just borrow one of your cigarettes there? >> sure. >> you've really got to go. >> sure. could i just get a match? i understand your being afraid. there's a lot of people like you who wanted to tell the truth but some people wouldn't listen. certain people have gone back to the prosecutors and the fbi to give information which they were
never asked. you were hugh sloan's bookkeeper when he worked for maurice stans up at finance. we were just wondering if you were promoted to work for mr. stans immediately after mr. sloan quit or whether there was some time lapse. >> i never worked for sloan or stans. >> can i get you some coffee or something? >> yeah, thanks very much. door sticks. could i just sit down for a second? >> sure. you can sit down, but i'm not going to tell you anything. >> okay.
i was just curious why you lied just then. have you been threatened if you tell the truth? >> no. never in so many words. >> how do you like it? >> oh, just milk. thanks. i saw on the wires that mrs. stans was in the hospital. is she feeling better? the gao, the general accounting report said there was $350,000 in the safe of the committee to re-elect the president. were you aware that it was that kind of funds from the very beginning? >> a lot of people are watching
me. they know i know a lot. >> was it all in $100 bills? >> a lot of it was. i thought it was an all-purpose political fund. you know, for taking fat cats to dinner, things like that. >> $350,000 for dinners? how was it paid out? >> not in one big chunk. there was a list of 15 names, and the amount of money given to each person next to the name. >> what happened to the list? >> it was destroyed. it was the only record. >> this -- don't pay any attention to this. this is for my memory. hate the -- i have a very bad memory. you won't be quoted by name. in fact, we get confirmations before we print anything. >> i can't be positive that that money was used for the break-in,
you understand. >> yes, i do. >> but people sure are worried. >> which people? think you could help me with the disbursement of money, in terms of the number of people that were involved? how many? >> a group of them. about five. i don't know their names. >> mr. sloan know? >> here you are. >> would he have any -- >> i don't want to say anymore, okay? >> i won't be much longer. i wonder if you could just help me a little bit about the money. we hear all kinds of figures.
>> there was so much of it. >> how much is "so much"? >> in one two-day period, $6 million came in. >> six? >> $6 million cash. we didn't know where to put it all. i thought it was all legal. i mean, i guess i did until after the break-in when i remembered gordon got so much of it. >> this is mr. liddy? >> it's all so rotten. it's getting worse. and the only one i care about is hugh sloan. his wife was going to leave him if he didn't stand up and do what was right. so he quit. >> i'm wondering if hugh sloan was being set up now as a fall guy for john mitchell. what do you think?
>> if you guys could get john mitchell, that would be beautiful. >> the coffee's cold. is there any evidence that any of mr. mitchell's assistants were part of this? >> i had all the evidence. it was destroyed. i don't know who destroyed it. i think gordon did a lot of shredding. >> hard evidence? >> well, i can't say that it would positively prove that they planned the break-in, but it could come pretty close. >> can you tell me anything? anything about who got the money? we have had some help on this from a couple sources. and this is a way of confirming. i don't want you to feel you're in a position where you have to disclose names.
you know, i can just ask you initials and that way you're not divulging any information. we have some idea. and would that be all right? was there an "m"? can you just nod either way? did it go that high up? "l"? >> i don't want to say anymore, okay? >> i'm sorry. you said "l" or -- i get confused. could we just go back for a second. in one six-day period over $6 million came in. >> you wouldn't believe what was going on in that woman. stuff was ready to pour out of her. i'm pouring down coffee to get it out of her before she throws me out of the house. >> these are the notes? >> i'm writing notes in the
bathroom while she's getting coffee. >> you'd be crazy, too if you were operating on 20 cups of coffee. >> can you give me something i can get down? >> got it all. okay. write. mitchell was in control. there were men working under mitchell. >> how many? >> i don't know how many but they were the ones who received the money from the slush fund. >> do we know how much money? >> hundreds of thousands of dollars. these men are the key to what that money was used for. boy, that woman was paranoid. her paranoia finally got to me. ip thought what we had was so hot that cbs or nbc were going to come and and take the story. >> she's paranoid and you're afraid of walter cronkite. >> l, p and m. she gave me the initials. >> you couldn't get the names? if i could have gotten the names, i would have. i'm with a woman trying to get anything i can.
she said l, p and m are the people who worked under mitchell. she said something about mitchell. she hates him. she said john mitchell. if you guys could get john mitchell, that would be beautiful. >> what did you write about sloan. >> sloan was the treasury of the committee -- his wife is pregnant and made sloan quit because he no longer wanted to be a part of it. >> we've got to go see sloan. >> make a note of it. >> all right. where is that match book? >> l, p and m. >> l could be larue or liddy. >> l is liddy. >> how do we know? she said at the time of the break-in, there was so much money floating around that i know gordon got part of it. i said do you mean gordon liddy. so l is liddy. that leaves p and m. p could be parkinson. porter. it could be -- >> wait a minute. there was a guy once, a guy we talked to last week. there was a bart porter who at one time was a member of the committee to re-elect? >> called before the grand jury. >> so p is definitely porter.
>> p could be porter. >> p is porter. l is liddy. that leaves -- all that of mes is m. >> m could be mccord. it could be martin. it could be magruder. >> i think it's magruder. >> i think magruder, too. second in command under mitchell. >> i think at one time he was a temporary head of the committee to elect before mitchell. >> i don't want a cookie. we have to get that bookkeeper to say it was magruder. >> can't get her to say anything but it was m. >> we could make names of the initials and we'll know the people who paid off the burglars. >> we'll at least know who got the money. >> the indictments from the grand jury today stop with the five burglars. hunt and liddy. >> carl, we have got to go back there and get that bookkeeper to say who the names are and not initials. >> she aints going to give it to you. i was with the woman for six hours. >> you have to try. >> trick her, threaten her.
you know what we could do? >> what? >> listen, we go back there. >> yeah. >> and you ask her who p is. >> yeah. >> and then i say, no, no, no, we know p is porter. i just bury it. >> i say who is p? and you say to me -- >> i say, no,no, we know "p" is porter. >> you mean try to fake her out? >> right. >> what if she denies it? >> we're screwed. >> if not, we know "p" is porter. again. ♪ ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth? ♪ i want to believe it. [ claps hands ] ♪ ooh i'm not hearing the confidence. okay, hold the name your price tool. power of options based on your budget! and! ♪ we'll make heaven a place on earth ♪ yeah! oh, my angels! ♪ ooh, heaven is a place on earth ♪ [ sobs quietly ] new laptop with 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys.
>> oh, no, no, not your name. no one knows it was you. >> could you tell us who got the money and how much? >> you mean like what did you do with the 25 grand lady? >> what? >> little jokes they're making down at finance these days. >> if people are to be convinced that stans and sloan are innocent then our reporting must be precise and you can help us. who is "p"? "p" we knew is porter. you said 25 grand. is that how much porter got? was it more? was it more than 50,000? was mcgruder the only "m" to receive money? >> who told you about porter?
>> i'd like to move on now to the subject of the break-in at watergate and the controversies that keep coming up out of that. it is recently, very recently been reported now that some documents were torn up at the committee to re-elect the president. are you investigating the tearing up of those documents? >> well, i think that came out in a story in "the washington post." >> yes. >> i think the investigation that has just concluded has probably been one of the most intensive at the department of justice that the fbi has ever been involved in. some 1,500 persons were interviewed, 1,800 leads were followed, 333 agents were involved, 14,000 man hours, 51 of the 59 fbi field offices were involved. that, i think, is a -- is a great credit to justice in this country. >> did you know the documents had been destroyed? >> no, i did not. >> all these neat little houses
and all these nice little streets. it's hard to believe that something's wrong with some of the little houses. >> no, it isn't. . >> hello. >> i'm carl bernstein. we'd like to talk to mr. sloan for a couple of minutes. >> he's resting right now. >> are you mrs. sloan? >> you two are from "the post," aren't you? >> yes. >> yes, ma'am. >> this is an honest house. >> that's why we'd like to see your husband. he's facing certain criminal charges that may be brought against people who are innocent. >> it's really for his benefit. >> no, it's not. >> no. it's not. >> deborah? tell them to come in. >> thanks. >> hi, carl bernstein. >> how do you do? hugh sloan. >> bob woodward. >> thanks for giving us your time.
>> you know the reason that we're here basically is that we talked to certain people who have indicated the reason you left the committee is because you no longer wanted to be a part of it. >> right. maybe there is a legitimate explanation for why the money was handed to liddy and mitchell's aide. >> i'm trying to understand this. i'm a republican. >> i am, too. >> well, i believe in richard nixon. i worked in the white house for four years and so did my wife. what happened on june 17th, i don't think the president knew anything about. >> is it possible that some of his people might have known? >> i'm not sure about that. >> do you think the truth will ever come out at the trial? >> that's another thing i'm not sure about. >> why? because obviously certain people lied to the prosecutor. >> we were never told flat-out don't talk. >> but the message was clear, though. in other words, by their very silence there was a cover-up. >> well, they didn't urge us to come forward and tell the truth. >> they meaning the white house? >> the committee is not an
independent operation. everything is cleared with the white house and i don't think the fbi or the prosecutors understand that. >> that report on the cash in the creep safe, that $350,000, is that a -- >> no, more. >> was that a correct figure? >> it was closer to $1 million. >> and as treasurer you could release those funds? >> when so ordered. >> we don't know the names of the people who could order you, we just know there were four. >> there were five. >> there had to be a white house overseer. >> goalson. >> colson is to smart to getting involved in anything directly like that. >> halderman? >> i won't talk about the other two. >> they both worked at the white house? >> one of them did. the other one's not in washington but that's all i'll say. >> tell him about nixon personal lawyer. >> nixon's personal lawyer?
>> i can't say anything. i'm sorry. >> well, when's the baby due? >> soon. next month. >> are you going to stay here? >> no. i don't think so. >> did you decide where you're going to go? >> i've been looking for a job in the private sector but it's very hard. my name's been in the papers too much. >> you know one thing i'm still not completely clear about? >> what? >> i don't know how -- when you handed out the money, how did that work exactly? >> badly. >> i think what bob means is that ordinarily what was the procedure? >> routine. i'd call john mitchell over at the justice department. he'd say, go ahead, give out the money. >> this was all done verbally? >> yes. >> okay. we know there were five men who controlled the slush fund. >> mitchell, stans and mcgruder. >> all three have been named by
sources. >> better get all five, huh? certain on mitchell? >> we know he approved payments to liddy while he was attorney general. >> we've got more than one source. >> who are they? >> sloan. >> sloan and who else? >> won't confirm the names of the other two but we're working on it. >> why deep throat? >> he's not a source on this. >> do any of them have an ax? is there anything at all on mitchell? >> can we use the names? >> no. >> when is somebody going to go on the record in this story? you guys are to write a story that says the former attorney general, the highest ranking law enforcement officer in this country, is a crook. just be sure you're right. >> may i help you? >> john mitchell. >> yes?
>> sir, this is carl bernstein of "the washington post." i'm sorry to disturb you at this hour. tomorrow we're running a story in the paper and we just think that you should have a chance to comment on it. >> what does it say? >> john m. mitchell, while serving as united states attorney general personally controlled a secret cash fund that was used to gather information about the democrats according to -- >> jesus. >> sources involved in the watergate investigation. >> jesus. >> beginning in the spring of 1971, almost a year before he left the justice department to become president nixon's campaign manager on march 1, mitchell personally approved withdrawals from the fund. >> pull that crap. you putting it in the paper? it's all been denied. you tell your publisher he's going to get a tit caught in the big ringer if that's published. christ, that's the most
sickening thing i've ever heard. >> sir, i was wondering if i could ask you some questions. >> what time is it? >> 11:30. >> morning or night? >> 11:30 at night, sir. the committee to re-elect has issued a statement to our story. >> did the committee tell you to go ahead and pub hish thlish th? you fellas got a great ball game going, but as soon as you're done, we're going to do a story on all of you. >> sir, there are just a couple of questions. >> call my law office in the morning. >> he said it right off the top. >> did mitchell know he was talking to a reporter? >> yeah, but i think i woke him up. >> good notes? >> verbatim. >> you really said that about mrs. graham? i've got the words here printed. this is a family newspaper.
some guys reporting lyndon johnson's top guy gave me the word. they were looking for a successor for j. edgar hoover. i wrote it, the day it appeared johnson held a press conference and appointed hoover the head of the fbi for life. when he was done, turned to his top guy and call ben bradlee and say -- you. you stuck us with hoover forever. i screwed up. i wasn't wrong. how much can you tell me about deep throat? >> how much do you need to know? >> do you trust him? >> yeah. >> i can't do the reporting for my reporters, which means i have to trust them. and i hate trusting anybody.
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"the washington post" reported that while still in office as attorney general john mitchell had personally controlled a secret republican fund. mitchell denied any such involvement and called the story ludicrous. the new charge also brought a response from vice president agnew at a stop in tampa. >> i have full confidence in mr. mitchell. the people in the republican organization. and i think that that kind of unattributed report at a type like this is counterproductive. we must bear in mind that those who published it have already shown their sympathy for the other ticket. >> a band and some young
cheerleaderers. >> all non-denial denials. >> did you understand one thing he was saying? >> what i can't figure out, what is a real denial? >> if they start calling us liars, we better start circling the wagons. >> when do you think they'll start doing that? >> when you go down to tampa. >> what's going on with you at the fbi? i've been trying to get to you for weeks. your secretary says you're not in. last night you said you can't talk. the second our story hits the stands you say you've got to see me right away. why? >> you guys have been causing big trouble at the bureau. you've really been on the mark except for mitchell. we didn't have that. that he controlled the funds. >> right. >> our agents have been busting ass but we're going to go back now and see if we missed anything. >> what i don't understand is all the people who might know details of the bugging operation
the fbi hasn't talked to. why have you conducted interviews at creep headquarters instead of at their homes where they might feel freer to talk? why have the interviews always been conducted within the presence of the lawyer who works for creep? >> look, i can't answer for the whole bureau. >> oh, come on. >> i do what i'm told. i followed my orders. period. >> what orders? [ yelling ] >> this morning i get a call from a guy named alex shiply who is the assistant attorney general of tennessee. the guy told me that called me -- he said that shiply was asked
in the summer of 1971 by an old army buddy, donald s -- i was ae to make a couple of calls today and i get segretti's travel records for the year 1971/'72. >> does the fbi know about -- did you say left or right? >> left. we've got to go through the records. >> does the fbi know about segretti. >> the fbi interrogated segretti and found out he wasn't involved in the break-ins so they dropped it. >> where is it? >> he crisscrossed the country at least a dozen times. he always stayed in cities where there are democratic primaries. >> the break-in was just one incident in the campaign of sabotage that began a whole year before watergate. >> for the first time the break-in makes sense. >> this didn't start with the bugging of the headquarters. he was doing this a year before the bugging and a year -- before
he self-destructed. >> if he self-destructed. >> hi. donald segretti? >> that's right. >> i'm carl bernstein from "the washington post." >> hi. what can i do for you? >> my paper just sent me out here to try to persuade you to go on the record. >> why me? >> i guess because you were the head coordinator of nixon's sabotage campaign against the democrats. >> carl, you want some coffee? >> read my mind. >> carl, tell me something, what do you imagine the head coordinator does? >> i guess basically you were involved in recruiting other people like yourself, other lawyers. >> lawyers? >> like shiply. >> i made it clear that i would not do anything violent or illegal. >> what do you mean by illegal? >> watergate. i mean, that's -- the whole
bugging, that's horrendous. >> and what kind of stuff do you guys do? >> nickel and dime stuff. stuff. stuff with a little wit attached to it. >> when you send out on stationary that senator hubert humphrey was going out with call girls. >> listen, if anything, it helped the man's image. >> what was the one on musky station that you sent out that said that scoop jackson was having a bastard child? >> so sometimes it got up to a quarter, off the record. >> i think one of the most interesting ones was a letter -- >> what about it? >> come on. where you claim -- >> no, i didn't write that. >> do you know who did? >> carl, when you guys print it in the papers then i'll know. >> smart guy, don. you're no dummy. >> i'm a lawyer, carl. i'm a lawyer. i'm a good lawyer.
i'll probably wind up going to jail and being disbarred. and i don't know what i did that was so god damn awful. i'll tell you something, none of this was my idea. i didn't go looking for the job. >> it's important. chaffin came to you. you know what? it's funny that i keep forgetting that you guys knew each other in college. you were friends at sc, you and chaffin. who else was there? >> it was me, dwight, ziggler, all usc mafia. >> that's when you got involved in student election sos you tried to get your man in and stuffed ballot boxes. what was the term you used for
screwing up the opposition? >> -- >> that's right. you were out doing the same kind of stuff when you were campaigning for president nixon. >> let me tell you something, we did a lot worse things. let me ask you something, carl. what would you have done if you were just getting out of the army, been away from the real world for four years didn't know what kind of law you wanted to practice and one tay you get a call from an old friend asking if you want to go to work for the president of the united states. >> jeez. chaffin was the appointment secretary for nixon when he called? >> yeah. listen, most of the things that happened i don't think dwight knew anything about him, he just did what he was told. >> told by who? >> what's the topic for tonight?
>> rat -- >> if my day it was simply known as the double cross. in our present context, it means infiltration of the democrats. >> segretti won't go on the record but if we would we know he would implicate chaffin. >> that would put you inside the white house. >> be specific. how high up? >> you'll have to find that out for yourself. i don't like newspapers. i don't care for inexactudes and shallowness. >> the creep slush fund that financed the rat -- just about
got that nailed down. i don't know how. >> changed caps. >> yeah. does the fbi know what we know? get us justice. why haven't they done anything? >> if it didn't deal directly with the break-in, they didn't pursue. >> who told them not to? >> don't you understand what you're on to? >> mitchell knew? >> of course mitchell knew. do you think something this size just happens? >> halderman had to know, too. >> you're getting nothing from me about halderman. >> segretti said that -- >> don't concentrate on segretti, who missed the
overall. >> the letter -- the letter that destroyed the musky candidacy, the commitment, did that come from inside the white house? >> you're missing the overall. >> what overall? >> they were frightened of musky and look who got destroyed. they wanted to run against mcgovern. look who they're running against. they bucked. they followed people. false press lease, fake letters, they cancelled democratic campaign rallies, they investigated democratic private lives, they planted spies, stole documents and on and on. now don't tell me you think this is all the work of little don segretti. >> the fbi and justice know this?
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. carl? >> yeah? >> why don't you pick up your messages more often? >> you got a cigarette? >> who is this? >> i have this whole place to take care of. >> carl? >> yeah. tell him to leave his phone number next time, all right. >> listen, do you guys know about -- >> sorry i'm late. >> i just want to know who wrote it. >> what? >> the letter that sabotaged the muskie candidacy? all right. come here. >> woodward. bob.
>> tell him what you told me. come here. sit down. just exactly the way you said it to me. >> the letter that said muskie was -- >> the deputy director of white house communications wrote the letter? when did he tell you this? >> we were having drinks. >> where were you? >> my apartment. >> when did you say he told you? >> two weeks ago. >> what else did he say? he didn't say anything? come on, you're hedging. >> do you think he said it to try to impress you to go to bed with you? >> jesus. >> do you think he said it to try to get you to go to bed with him? why did it take you two weeks for you to tell us this, sally? >> i don't have the taste for the jugular you guys have. >> what do you mean, it was all a misunderstanding? >> absolutely. sally's got to all wrong.
i never told her i wrote that letter. we're shooting the breeze about the election. >> she's an awfully good reporter. i don't remember her getting that much wrong before. >> that is a straight bull -- answer. that's an answer straight out of wichita, kansas. >> do you remember where it took place? >> what do you mean where? >> was it a restaurant, a bar. >> i forgotten the entire incident. i don't have time for this. i'm a busy man. >> did you get all that? >> what did he say about meeting in a bar or restaurant. >> he said he forgot the entire incident. >> that's a non-denial denial. >> he said it's a bull -- question. >> i know what he said. i'm from wheaten, illinois. >> he's on the phone. >> who? >> what line? >> line four. transcribe this, would you? >> yes, ken? >> sally, for christ's sake,
don't tell them i came to your place. >> why not? what's wrong with coming over for a drink. >> you and me in your apartment? >> well. >> jesus christ, you just shot me down. if that appears in the papers i'm over your house having -- do you know what that does? >> i don't see why. >> you don't? you don't? >> there is nothing bad about it. >> well, there sure is. this is just incredible. >> well, i have a clear conscience. >> sally, i have a wife and a family and a dog and a scat. >> cat. >> he said he forgot the entire incident. >> ken on the line. >> jesus. >> ken? what's up, kid? >> look, this whole thing that's going on over there, ben, i want
you to know that i never claimed authorship -- >> because you never wrote the letter. >> a misunderstanding, a confusion. >> ken, slow, slow, slow down, ken. you sound phrasaled. >> please, listen, if you're going to refer to that alleged conversation with sally aiken, you can't print it took place in her apartment. i have a wife and a family and a dog and a cat. >> a wife and a family and a dog and a cat. right, ken. right. ken, i don't want to print that you were in sally's apartment. >> thank god. >> i just want to know what you said in sally's apartment. [ phone ringing ] >> hello? >> bernstein, i just got a tip from our fbi source, the secret cash fund financed segretti. >> jesus. >> chapen hired sixthy, we know that. halderman has to be the fifth name to control the fund.
>> sloan knows. >> we've only got four out of the five who control the fund. >> it has to be heraldman. >> i don't think they got it. >> we know the fifth is a top white house official. >> no one has said it. no one has named halderman. >> it doesn't prove it was halderman. >> if you go to bed at night there is no snow on the ground and you wake up and there is snow on the ground, you can say it snowed in the night and you didn't see it snowing. >> everything in that campaign is done with his approval. everybody who does everything under helderman does so with his knowledge. common sense says it's halderman. we go and see sloan and tell him we know he named halderman to the grand jury. all we would need to do is have him confirm it. >> right. >> do you want to do it that way? >> yes. >> let's go back and see sloan.
>> can't go now. he's not home yet. >> he may not be answering but he might be there. >> hi. >> please -- >> listen, we've already written the story, we just need you to define a couple of things. >> deborah's in the hospital and my in-laws are coming over. >> we understand. two questions? the cash that financed the watergate break-in, five men had control of the fund. we have confirmations on those four. >> we just found out halderman's the fifth. >> i'm not your source on that. >> we're not asking you to be your source. >> i'm not your source on halderman. >> look, when you were questioned by the grand jury, you had to name names. >> of course, anything asked.
>> okay. i don't know where to go -- say we wrote a story that said halderman was the fifth name to control the fund. >> would we be in any trouble? >> would we be wrong? >> let me put it this way, i would have no problems if you wrote a story like that. >> you wouldn't? >> no. >> okay. >> you had a baby? >> my wife did. >> a little boy or girl? >> it's a girl. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> we're sorry to bother you. >> yeah. >> would you give our best to her? >> i will. >> i think woodward's -- and i am curious about the fact that the fbi in its entire inquiry never did any inquiries to the second most powerful man to the president. >> you don't seem to understand, no, you don't get anything about halderman out of me. >> we don't need to know anything, joe. tomorrow we're going with a story on the fbi. >> what does that mean?
>> we're going to establish in the story that you guys about blew the entire investigation. >> we didn't miss much. >> you didn't know halderman had control of the investigation. >> it's all on file. i'm very busy. i've got to go. i've got to go put the kids to bed. >> that's the confirmation right there. >> wait a minute. wait a second, did he say john? >> he said halderman. >> he said john halderman. >> what difference does it make? isaiah or david. there is only one halderman. >> isaiah or david aren't assistant to the president. >> until feels thin. >> i wish we could print this. >> we didn't make them do things but once they did they're fair game. >> let's go over your sources again. i want to hear it. >> sloan told the grand jury. he answered the question somewhere. there's got to be a record of it. >> the fbi confirms. what more do you need? >> weren't you arguing the opposite way? >> no, not at all. >> hold it.
>> this has nothing to do with the other. >> halderman only happens to be the second most important man in this country, conducting a criminal conspiracy inside the white house. it would be nice if we were right. >> did you double check your sources? >> are you right on this story? >> absolutely. >> woodward? >> absolutely. >> i'm not. still seems thin. get another source. >> how many sources does he think we've got? >> won't confirm? >> he won't confirm. i told you that. >> what about the guy in justice? >> you can't call him? >> why? >> he's right next to the grand jury. >> we don't have a choice. >> trouble. >> 20 minutes to deadline. >> i don't know if i can get him on the phone. >> dr. kissinger's office. >> deputy's office, please.
do you know when you expect him back? >> no, sir. i believe he's left for the evening. if you'd like to leave a message. could you hold, please? >> hi, this is carl. i'm sorry to disturb you now but we're going with the story that halderman was the fifth man. they're hassling us. we've got three confirmations. if you could help us, i appreciate it. >> i won't say anything against halderman. >> if there is some way to warn us to hold on the story, we'd really appreciate it. >> i'd really like to help you but i can't. >> i'm going to count to ten, all right? if there is any reason we should hold on the story, hang up the phone before i get to ten. >> hang up, right? >> that's right. >> you got it? >> yeah. >> we're straight. all right. i'm going to start counting. okay? we all right? >> yeah. >> i'm counting. one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.
>> you got it straight now? everything okay? >> everything's fine. >> woodward! >> yeah? >> i got it! he confirmed. >> what happened? >> i said if i get to ten and you don't hang up, it's solid. >> did he confirm it? >> absolutely. >> tell bradlee. >> bernstein got another source. the guy at justice confirmed. >> is there any doubt, we can run it tomorrow. >> you don't have to. the story's solid. >> sure of it. just got off the phone with him. let's go with it. >> okay. we go with it.
>> what, steve? >> bernstein! >> do you know what this is about? >> no. >> sloan, who resigned as campaign treasurer after the watergate break-in showed up for a deposition in the common cause suit on the disclosure of campaign contributions and denied naming halderman. >> would you care to comment on testimony before the grand jury? >> i'd like my attorney to answer that question. >> gentlemen, the answer is an unequivocal no. mr. sloan did not implicate halderman in his testimony. didn't acknowledge there was an espionage fund at all. espionage activity, none whatsoever. thank you, gentlemen. >> sloan expanded his denial to
include his statements to the fbi and all federal authorities. a short time later, news secretary issued a strong attack on "the washington post." >> why is "the post" trying to do it? you have a man, the editor of "the washington post," by the name of ben bradlee. i think anyone who wants to honestly assess what his political persuasions are would i think come to the conclusion quite quickly that he is not a supporter of president nixon. i respect the free press. i don't respect the type of journalism, the shabby journalism that is being practiced by "the washington post." all i know is that the story that ran this morning is incorrect and it's been so stated. as being incorrect. by not only me but by the individual whose grand jury, secret grand jury testimony they based their story on. that individual has denied that he ever so testified.
>> no sooner had ziggler finished than the president's campaign manager mark mcgregor met with recorders. >> using third-person hearsay. unsubstantiated charges. "the post" hamza lishsly sought to give the appearance of a direct connection between the white house and watergate. a charge with "the post" knows and half a dozen of investigations have found to be false. the hallmark of "the post's" campaign is hypocrisy. it's celebrated double standard is today visible for all to see. >> i'm not talking to you about halderman or anybody else. >> what went wrong? >> didn't you say that the fbi had information on halderman in the files. we have it in the notes with you on the telephone right here. >> we have to talk to your boss if you don't talk to us. >> what the hell are you talking about? >> we're not trying to get anybody into trouble. we're trying to find out if we made errors. if we made a mistake, we'll come
off the story but we don't want to come off the story. >> tell us -- >> i'm not talking about it. i'm not talking to you about halderman or anybody else. i can't be seen talking to you bastards. >> are we being set? tell us. >> are we being set up? >> -- you. -- you. >> honest to god, i don't understand -- it's in the notes. yeah, we had another call all along. listen, i've got another call. i've got to go. did you beat bob halderman? yeah, bob. >> jesus, what was our mistake? >> maybe there was no mistake. >> then they're just setting us up and the whole thing was a setup. they just hung us. i didn't believe it. again. ♪ ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth? ♪
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statement then. one senator just gave a speech slurring us 57 times in 20 minutes. i knew we had enemies but i didn't know we were this popular. >> wow, look at this. find out denial denial. let's stand by the boys. >> okay. >> all right. here is our headline. "reports the united states, north vietnam agreement for a settlement of the north vietnam war." >> just saying in the few seconds we have left, the same vibrato sound -- >> what did you find out? what did he say? >> what time is it? >> you fell asleep? >> oh, god damn it!
>> over here. you let halderman slip away. >> yes. >> you've done worse than let halderman slip away. you've got people feeling sorry for him. i didn't think that was possible. in a conspiracy like this, you build from the outer edges and you go step by step. if you shoot too high and miss, everybody feels more secure. you put the investigation back
months. >> yes, we know that. if we're wrong, we're resigning. were we wrong? >> you'll have to find that out, won't you? >> listen, i'm tired of your chicken -- games. . i need to know what you know. >> the whole business was run by halderon, the money and everything. it won't be easy getting to him. he was insulated. you'll have to find out how. mitchell started doing covert stuff before anyone else. the list is longer than anyone
can imagine. it involves the entire u.s. intelligence community. the fbi, cia, justice. it's incredible. cover-up had little to do with water-gate. it was mainly to protect the covert operations. it leads everywhere. get out your notebook. there's more. your lives are in danger. >> hi. i finally got someone on the
the phones aren't safe. can't trust them. >> come on in. >> can't come in, sir. hoover says there's electronic surveillance. >> surveillance is doing it. >> it's being done. people's lives are in danger. maybe even ours. >> what happened to that justice source of yours? >> he thought i said hang out when i just said hang on. the story is right. sloan would have told the grand jury. >> sloan wanted to tell the grand jury. >> why didn't he? >> nobody asked him. it was to protect covert operations. it is involving the entire u.s. intelligence community. >> did deep throat say that
people's lives were in danger? >> yes. >> what else did he say? >> he said everyone is involved. >> do you know the results of the latest gallup poll? half the country ever heard of the word watergate. you guys are probably pretty tired, right? you should be. go on home. get a nice hot bath. 15 minutes and get your asses back in gear. i'm under a lot of pressure, you know, and you put us there. nothing is riding on this except the first amendment of the constitution, freedom of the press and maybe the future of the country. not that any of that matters. but if you guys aren't in, i'm going to get mad.
mr. president, are you ready to take the constitution oath? if you h mace your lewill place hand on the bible and repeat after me. i, richard nixon, do solemnly swear that i will faithly execute the office of the president of the united states and will to the best of my ability. >> and will, to the best of my ability. >> preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the united states. >> preserve and protect and defend the constitution of the united states. >> so help me god. >> so help me god.
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