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and listen for your voice. good morning, everyone. i'm ali velshi. >> i'm stephanie ruhle. it's tuesday, july 31st. let's get smart. >> this morning, more than 20 states are making a last-ditch effort to stop a man from posting the blueprints for 3-d printed guns online. the president weighed in on the controversial guns tweeting, i'm looking into 3-d plastic guns being sold to the public. already spoke to the nra, doesn't seem to make much sense. >> as of midnight tonight, it will kind of be too late. first of all, you know, allowing people to make undetectable and untraceable plastic firearms is just contrary to everything we know about public safety. >> jury selection begins today at the trial of president trump's former campaign chairman. >> this is the biggest test yet for robert mueller. >> when you're a prosecutor, we used to say, if you're going to try to kill the king, make sure
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he's dead. the fact is this case is going to be very important to establish credibility for bob mueller. >> the allegations are the bank fraud and tax fraud. basically, that paul manafort was allegedly greedy and sneaky. >> all the commentators are saying technically, rudy giuliani was correct. collusion is not a crime. that's not just technically correct. that's the law. but there's no violation of law, statute, rule or regulation that we have seen after reviewing this case for a year. i'm not going to predict the next move because this is washington, d.c. you never say never to anything. >> "the new york times" and "wall street journal" reporting the treasury department is considering a change to capital gains tax that would result in a $100 billion tax break for, guess who, the wealthy. what would be the rationale for the american people to do this? >> breaking overnight, a new report that north korea is potentially building new missiles. >> we met, as you know, with chairman kim, and you haven't had a missile fired off in nine
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months. we got our prisoners back. so many things have happened, so positive. >> reports that this satellite image of the factory where north korea produced the country's first missiles capable of reaching the u.s. mainland shows ongoing activity. >> i would certainly meet with iran if they wanted to meet. good for the country, good for them, for good us. and good for the world. no preconditions. if they want to meet, i'll meet. >> is he talking about mueller? no conditions? >> don't be so sassy. he's speaking about iran. two hours later, his secretary of state, mike pompeo, very clearly said on cnbc that yes, there would be conditions. it makes no sense. >> okay, and there's still conditions for meeting with mueller? so conditions for meeting with everyone. got it. this morning, plans for -- >> not conditions for meeting with everyone. kim jong-un, no conditions. and the president said no nuclear threat, no big deal, and alas, they are developing more missiles. >> soon, no conditions for guns,
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aparpt lay. this morning, the plan for ghost guns are up online. these are firearm components for rifles and guns who can be created by anyone at home who has a 3-d printer. there. >> the president weighed in saying i'm looking into 3-d guns being sold to the public. already spoke to the nra. it uz doesn't seem to make much sense. it was the trump state department that dropped the lawsuit to stop the blueprints. the obama administration started them saying the plans could be downloaded by terrorists, and beyond dropping the lawsuit, the trump administration is looking at changing the very rule the designer was originally sued under. and to the second part of the brea president's tweet, there's no word why he would check in with the gun lobby or why the conversation would have taken place. let's slow it down. the nra is saspecial interest
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group. he didn't say he spoke to the department of justice or the state department. he's not speaking to any other gun control groups, but the president took to twitter to say i have reached out to the nra. so those of you who have chanlted over and over, drain the swamp, walk us through -- >> why you would go to the industry group. >> why would you contact the largest lobbying group ever, the nra, on what to do about the ghost gun. >> as of last week, one of the organization's videos called 3-d guns freedom and innovation. tom costello has more on the guns and why the president should be checking with his own state department rather than the nra. >> this morning, growing pushback against a new type of firearm that some people can actually build in their own home. eight attorneys general now asking a judge to block a texas company from publishing the downloadable instructions for 3-d printers to manufacture guns.
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from handguns to semiautomatics made of plastic and without a serial number, the guns are untraceable and undetectable. able to pass through most metal detectors. >> welcome to the age of the printed magazine. >> 30-year-old cody wilson is the face of a new gun movement. >> gun control is not dead. it's undead. gun control is undead. >> the obama administration took wilson to court to stop his company from posting the instructions online, arguing it would put guns in the hands of terrorists. but cody wilson insisted he has a first amendment right to publish, and the instructions were already online anyway. in june, the trump administration dropped the court fight with wilson. >> as long as you have a right to keep and bear arms, you have a right to make them. >> fred's 14-year-old daughter jamie was one of 17 people why s high school. >> this changes the safety of americans forever if this is allowed to happen. >> plastic guns, he fears, will bring more gun violence to a country already reeling. >> someone could walk in with a gun and you won't know it.
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airplanes, you'll be flying with someone with a gun, and you won't know it. courthouses, someone with a gun and you won't know it. that's the risk. >> okay, let's is a look at what these 3-d printed guns are. conventional gun manufacturing requires a permit and all guns produced must bear a serial number so they can be traced if stolen or used in a crime. but with 3-d printing, there's no way to enforce these laws. components can be printed without any oversight and any record keeping. the site offers files that allow users to print palmer components on demand, so now to build a gun, you don't need to purchase industrial machine working equipment or have special expertise. among the firearm components on the site are plans to print a full baretta m-9 handgun and the lower receiver for an ar-15. you won't be able to print the entire rifle due to printer limitations, but you can present out several key components that allow the designer to fire 600 rounds continuously in a test earlier this year.
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this is real. and more concerning to lawmakers is the liberator. this was the first weapon designed by the group posting the plans. it's a single hp shot polymer weapon. the only non-3-d printable parts are the ammunition and a small nail that's used in place of a firing pin. up here. all right, some lawmakers worry the guns run afoul of the undetectable firearms act of 1988. the designer put a small metal piece into the handle of the first liberator, although he said it was out of goodwill and others aren't obligated to do so. joining us now is avery gardener, co-president of the brady campaign, a gun control advocacy book. >> some people are saying this is just a novelty item and there's no reason to fight back that hard against it. it's just one simple gun. it's not a semiautomatic weapon, but if this thing is cleared and people can suddenly print this, where could we quickly devolve to? >> people who are saying that this is only about one kind of gun are mistaken and misguided.
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what cody wilson has said is he wants to have a, quote, cambreen explosion of 3-d printable guns with plans from his site. >> what does that mean? >> an explosion of different kinds of guns, in fangt, all types of firearms. he has said is his goal to have on this site. so there's a journalist who a couple years ago, 3-d printed an ar-15 using cody wilson's plans. this is snnot just about one si handgun. this is about weapons of war made in people's living rooms and in the living rooms of foreign terrorists abroad. >> we're puzzled about the president's tweet in which he said he reached out to the nra. as he reached out to your group or groups like yours? seems strange the first outreach would be to the nra. >> the president took $30 million in campaign contributions from the nra and has been at their side every step of the way so i'm not entirely surprised by that. but the government has known for years my organization, the brady
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center, has a keen interest in the case because we filed a brief in the fifth circuit as an amemes, and they did not reach out to us before they came to this settlement. we didn't hear from either the department of justice or the department of state. and that's one of the really troubling things here, is why this settlement, why now? as recently as april, the government maintained that putting these plans online was a threat to national security and international peace. >> so what -- >> we have no idea what changed. >> what do your contacts at the state department, i'm sure you interface with the government all the time, when they made this settlement which now is done, it's not like you can put the toothpaste back in the tube, did they give you any rationale? >> not only did they not give us any rationale, they didn't even give us a heads-up it was coming. we learned about it in the press like everyone else. the next day, we sent a freedom of information act to the government asking about the documents in the settlement, who was involved in it, who made these decisions, what were the facts that changed that caused
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the government to do a complete 180. now, they haven't gotten back to us yet. and if they don't get back to us in accordance with the statute, we will have to sue the trump administration again to get these documents. we think the public has a right to know, but as you say, it's probably going to be too late. >> the guy who's doing this, corey, he's wrapped himself up in the constitution on this one. he calls it a first amendment expression of his second amendment rights. now, obviously, this is something you come up against a great deal. there is a second amendment that allows some gun usage and ownership in this country. what's your response to that argument? >> well, first of all, we have absolutely no concerns about safe, responsible americans owning guns and having them stored safely in their homes. i grew up with guns and i don't have any concerns about most americans having a gun in the home. the issue comes when we're talking about dangerous people having guns in the home, and courts have held for generations that there are some people who cannot have a gun because they are too dangerous.
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felons and domestic abuseers fit into that category. this notion also that the first amendment is some unfettered right to speak anything anytime anywhere is simply untrue. we have lots of limits on second amendment rights and on first amendment rights. i mean, you can't shout fire in a crowded theater. there are lots of ways we think we need to protect public safety from people who would pretend that they're just exercising some right. >> avery, good to speak to you. thank you for joining us. it's a troubling development. avery gardener, the president of the brady campaign. >> coming up next, president trump considering new tax cuts for the rich. let's make it clear. this is only for the rich. what is on the table and why the wealthy would benefit. remember, we're still in the hole from the corporate tax cuts. the treasury department is borrowing more because we have less corporate tax dollars to spend. and now this is what they want to do in tax cut 2.0. you're watching velshi and
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time now for the "velshi & ruhle" tax cut tracker. why? because the wealthiest taxpayers in america could soon get another tax break. >> what? >> the treasury is considering a change to capital gains tax. that would result in a $100 billion tax cut for them, according to "the new york times" and the "wall street journal." before we can discuss the pros and cons, let's explain how it
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works. capital gains are profit from sale of property or stocks. currently, we tax capital gains by the difference between the purchase price and sale price of an asset. the sale price is called cost. and current rules allow for investors to recoup that sales price, the cost. the cost is taxed at a rate of 23.8%. if you invested a cost of a million bucks in 1990 and sold that asset for $3 million this year, you would only owe the tax on the difference. that's $2 million. your tax bill would be $476,000. well, the treasury department could change the definition of cost when calculating the capital gains. allowing for investors to account for inflation when determining their tax liability. the same investment of a million bucks in 1990 would now have a cost of about $2 million in today's inflation adjusted dollars. that means the investor would only owe half as much, $255,000
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in taxes. compare that to the $476,000 without adjusting for inflation. a difference of $220 grand, and that's tax dollars the treasury department loses out on. this kind of change could result in an estimated $100 billion in tax savings for wealthy investors. it would also dig into the treasury even deeper, the hole they're already in from the last round of tax cuts, which again, mostly benefit the wealthiest americans. and ali, we have to slow that down. we're not saying this hurts the american worker. but it doesn't help them. >> doesn't help. it might hurt them because if you reduce tax revenues, then everybody comes out and says we have to cut this and cut welfare and cut social services. it in fact could hurt them, but it's broadening the gap that we're trying to narrow, right, between the rich and poor. >> the president rails against trade deficits and he basically ignores budget deficits. >> he doesn't seem to care. >> the treasury department is in a hole because the tax cuts from
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2017 are still not paid for. there's this republican idea that if you cut taxes, it's going to spur growth. even if it spurs some growth, not enough, the corporate tax cuts thus far have not trickled down to the american worker. in large part, they result in stock buybacks. who does that serve? the share holder. who does capital gains adjustment serve? the share holder, not the american people. >> our entire tax system is based around preserving money for the wealthy. work labor gets taxed more than wealth does. if you have assets and you have capital gains, your tax rate is lower than if you just work for it. this is just a perpetuation of a problem we had for a few hundred years in america. it's supposed to be getting better, it's getting worse. >> it's not a new idea. larry kudlow has liked this for years. what's stunning is it's what the president campaigned against, much like when he said he was going to close the carried interest loophole, yet miraculously, it stayed in the tax system, and yet here we are again, and it's just -- it's certainly a gift to the donor
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class. all right, next, what happens when the republican president picks a fight with the party's most powerful donors. we were just talking donor class. president trump just called the koch brothers a total joke on twitter. we're going to explain why the kochs are so important to the gop and why trump is slamming them anyway. all right, and good news for the first time ever barbie is wearing a hijab. she's models after an american olympian and fencer part of the idea to diversity the american line. >> love it. your hair is so soft! did you use head and shoulders two in one? i did mom. wanna try it? yes. it intensely moisturizes your hair and scalp and keeps you flake free. manolo? look at my soft hair. i should be in the shot now too.
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to learn more about the community wildfire safety program and how you can help keep your home and community safe, visit pge.com/wildfiresafety welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." here are the top stories we're watching right now. in the state of california, monster wildfires continue to burn out of control. killing a total of eight people so far and threatening tens of thousands of homes. as of now, the carr fire alone has destroyed over 110,000 acres and it's only 27% contained. it's now officially the seventh most destructive fire in california history. paul manafort's first trial begins today in alexandria, virginia. the first of two trials the former trump campaign chairman is set to face.
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the special counsel is leveling 18 counts against hem in this one, including tax and bank fraud related to his work as a consultant in ukraine. the accounts predate his work on the trump campaign. he's pled not guilty to charges in virginia and washington, d.c. >> this hour president trump is set to sign the strengthening career and technical education for the 21st century act. this bipartisan bill aims to help americans obtain the skills needed to compete for good paying jobs. in a couple hours, trump is expected to go to tampa, florida, to fund-raise and rally for republican congressman rob desantis who is running for government. >> and president trump is going after the koch brurthothers, th billionaires handing out money to republicans for years. he said the koch brothers are a real joke in republican circles. against strong borders and powerful trade. i never sought their support. they love my tax and regulation cuts, judicial picks and more. i made them richer.
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their network is highly overrated. i have beaten them at every turn. they want to protect their companies outside the u.s. from being taxed. i'm for america first and the american worker. a puppet for no one. >> why the fury? this weekend, koch network leaders distances the organization from some republicans and president trump calling trump's tariffs wrong-headed. the gop spending horrifying, and a separation of families at the border abhorrent. in fact, charles koch even told the reporters he could be open to working with democrats in the future, saying, quote, i don't care what the initials are in front or after somebody's name. his network also announced it would not support a republican candidate in a close midterm race in north dakota, saying he's inconsistent on issues that matter to the group. uh-oh. if inconsistent is a problem the koch brothers have, they ain't never going back to trump. >> time to talk about the koch brothers a little bit. let's take a closer look at exactly who they are.
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charles and david inherited the second largest american company from their father in 1967. today, charles is at the helm. david stepped down in june, cited health problems. the two are worth an estimated $120 billion, according to forbes. the brothers organized their own political network back in 2000 threne, an assembly of libertarians, libertarian leaning people, rich business people, advocacy groups. each has agreed to contribute at least $100,000 annually to koch linked groups. now, this network has shaped elections for years. even being called more powerful than the republican national committee. in 2012, it spent $122 million on elections. in 2014, it was up to $129 million. and by 2016, the presidential election, an estimated $250 million. and it's upping the ante for the 2018 election cycle. pledging to shell out $400 million on politics and policy. it's already spent $20 million
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promoting the gop tax cut plan. who gets all this money? well, republican lawmakers, super pacs, community groups, colleges and universities, people running in judicial elections even get money from the kochs. the network is even backing the confirmation of judge brett kavanaugh to the supreme court. right now, the network says it's engaged in races in six states. the green ones are senatorial races. the yellow or gold ones are gubernatorial races. spending hundreds of millions of dollars in an attempt to sway the midterms in favor of vulnerable republicans and their policies. >> joining us now, rick tyler, republican strategist and co-founder of the foundry strategies. i'm deg it start with this. why? you're what? >> i couldn't swivel. >> why don't we push your chair right up. >> a different table. >> okay. we'll start again. >> why is he doing this? i mean, the koch brothers. i saw laura ingraham last night calling the koch brothers elitists. >> the idea that the kochs are a joke is sort of laughable.
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>> that's what jokes do, you know. >> that's right. to get a sense of who the kochs are, they're probably the most successful entrepreneurial family in world history. worth about $120 billion. i'll bet this set has materials made of the kochs. i bet you slept in a mattress last night with materials made from the kochs. i bet you fill up your yacht with koch fuels. they made a myriad of products that we use every day. so they made a lot of money. if you go to the met on 80th street here in new york city, there's a beautiful fountain. it has the word koch on the fountain. why? they give money to lincoln center, to the met. >> i think they're new york's biggest philanthropists. >> they are, which makes me think about the trump foundation. what is it? under investigation. >> now, they have always been sort of demonized by the left. harry reid made a famous statement on the floor saying, citing the koch brothers. and the reason is that it's
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political. the koch brothers spend hundreds of millions of dollars on elections. it's interesting. they're now willing to withdraw from a key senate race in north dakota not because of politics. they're going to eschew political expediency for policy. their policies are they're not social conservatives. they're very libertarian. they believe in free markets, and they do a lot of things to educate the public on free markets so people will understand why they should be voting for candidates that are free markets. but when the party abandons its principles and you can see this where they're upset about in the world of free trade and tariffs, they're saying no, we're going to abandon political expediency and stick with our principles on free markets. >> did they really think it's li likely they would work with democrats and the democrats would work with them? they have been demonized on the left. >> we talked about this two days ago. hat is that donald trump in many ways is backward thinking. right? he has this appeal to the
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remaining segment of a market that says we can bring back coal jobs and manufacturing. and all these things -- >> no jobs of the future. >> no jobs of the future. the kochs are all about the future, and their idea is that innovations, yes, they're hard, and they disrupt industries, uber is a great sense of that. even the technologies in politics today are disrupting politics. you can see that with the russian investigation, the way we campaign and target people. one of the most laughable committee hearings i ever saw was with mark zuckerberg. >> and they were out there talking about the use of the facebook. >> they were talking about it. so let me get this straight, mark zuckerberg. you target people with advertising they would like to see, and what mark should have said is, just the way you target people who are most likely to vote for you. they all use data. >> so the left hates the kochs. the kochs hates the left. is there really chance they're going to work together? >> they have proven it. they have shown that we are not about supporting a political
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party blindly. i think this is a huge opportunity for democrats to figure out how to embrace and train for the jobs of the future, and juxtapose that against trump's building up legacy companies. that's going to be tough for them because they have unions around manufacturing and coal mines. >> you think any democrats are going to pick up the phone and say, hey, chuck and david, how are you doing? >> i don't know, but money talks and elections are expensive. if you have a multibillionaire who wants to talk about the future and jobs. why wouldn't they be for it? >> money does talk. i wonder if it will be talking in paul manafort's case today. >> back to the top story, three-d printed assault rifles. these assault rifles would be unregistered and untraceable. we're talking to one of the attorneys general suing to stop the plans from being posted. and supreme court justice anthony kennedy is officially leaving the federal bench today. justice kennedy served more than
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ruhle." a gun control conversation was turned on its head this week when a group posted several files that allow users to 3-d print guns or gun components at home. >> now, eight attorneys general and the ag of washington, d.c. are suing for temporary restraining order to block the designer from continuing to post the blueprints for firearms and their components. the president tweeted that something his own state department essentially allowed does not seem to make much sense, in the president's words. at a news conference just a short time ago, democratic senators agreed with president trump. >> joining us now is massachusetts attorney general mara healey, one of those attorneys general suing to stop the plans from being posted. attorney general, good to see you again. thank you for joining us. what's the goal of the restraining order given the administration already dropped
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its lawsuit? on what basis are you able to go in there and get this changed? >> well, this is a terrible settlement by the trump administration. and we speak at the chief law enforcement officers in our states. our job is to protect public safety. and the reason, ali, that we're suing, is because this is a terrible, terrible turn of events, what the state department and trump administration have done. what they have done is essentially entered into an agreement that allows this company to put and post online plans for folks to download plans to make guns. and you know, this is a matter of national security. it's a matter of public safety. we're suing to stop this from happening because we have the responsibility of protecting the public safety within our states and certainly share in the national security interests that the state department once agreed with and argued for. >> the images, the plans, have
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already been downloaded several thousand times. at this point, what can you really do about it? >> there's a lot we can do. our job is to keep dangerous guns away from dangerous people. i think any law-abiding gun owner will tell you that they don't need to be able to print a gun at home. you know, we need to make sure that two things happen. one, that the state department immediately rescind this settlement and withdraw the rule that would allow these plans to be published. and two, we need congress to act. i'm heartened to see congress talking about this today. my office led a coalition of state a.g.s to advocate for that reform and action at the state department and by congress. and i think most people around the country would be really concerned and outraged to know that what the trump administration has allowed to happen, is allowing to happen unless they change course, is for somebody to walk into staples, to buy a 3-d printer, to go home, to look up this
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company online, and with the push of a button, download and make a plastic gun. a gun that's untraceable, a gun that can't be detected by metal detectors. can you imagine what this might mean in terms of public safety and also national security? because this would allow criminals and terrorists to basically manufacture, make their guns at home. it's a real problem, and that's why we're demanding action. >> congressman seth moulton and senator bill nelson have put bills forward to get this dealt with. have you had a chance to review those bills and do you think that's an answer? >> no, it's absolutely a step in the right direction, and i support the work of congressman moulton right here from massachusetts as well as the senators who have come forward with proposed legislation. i'm sorry that it's come to this. again, i saw the president tweet, but we need not a tweet. we need action. this is within the president's control. if president trump cared about this issue, cared about national security, cared about public security, he could immediately order his state department to
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rescind the settlement agreement and to withdraw the rule that's going to allow this to happen. so we first need action out of the state department, and yes, i hope congress acts immediately. >> but are you even encouraged by the president's tweet? in the tweet, he says i have spoken to the nra. the nra is not the state department or the department of justice. it's the biggest special interest group out there that's pro-gun. >> you know, stephanie, it's why we're in court orn this and why in fact state a.g.s are in multiple courts right now as we speak. seeking relief in the courts, asking for an order to stop this company from making available these downloadable files. it's what we're doing right now through the courts. that's where we need to be, i think we have seen time and time again the importance and the role of state a.g.s taking this president and the administration to court in order to get relief. here, it's a matter of national security and a matter of public
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safety. >> mara healey is the attorney general of massachusetts. thanks for joining us to talk about this. >> well, great to be with you. again, this is an end run around all the basic gun laws in our state and we think it's really important. >> we're going to keep giving it lots of attention. when we come back, is president trump being dissed by the united states' biggest foes? up next, how north korea and iran, north korea and iran, are responding to trump's attempts at negotiation. spoiler alert, you're not going to like it. >> and right now, we're also watching a hearing on migrant families separated at the border. the senate judiciary committee is meeting as we speak, grilling customs and border protection agency officials. and that brings us to our monumental american today. he stood up for civil liberties in his own time. ralph lazo. >> he was born in los angeles back in 1924, and was irish-mexican descent. when he was 17 in world war ii, he learned his japanese american neighbors were being forcibly
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the prime minister said it better than anybody can say it. speaking to other people, especially when you're talking about potentials of war and death, and famine and lots of other things, you meet. there's nothing wrong with meeting. we met, as you know, with chairman kim, and we haven't had a missile fired off in nine months. we got our prisoners back. so many things have happened so positi positive. >> do aio have preconditions for that meeting? >> no. no preconditions. they want to meet, i'll meet. any time they want. >> within hours of those comments, "the washington post" released this reporting. that according to u.s. spy agencies, north korea is working on new missiles. here to break all of this down with us, bloombergfore affairs analyst bobby gosh. let's start with president trump and his foreign policy flip-flop game. he created this big hullabaloo in north korea, no more threat, and now this. i'll meet with iran, no
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conditions. two hours later, mike pompeo says conditions. what gives? >> when the president ad-libbed there's usually a pushback from the white house saying, no, what he actually meant was -- and then completely reversing what he said. we're seeing something of that from pompeo. or what pompeo says makes a little more sense in the larger narrative. if you're going to tear up the nuclear deal, it makes no sense then to go back and say there are no preconditions. there have to be preconditions. if there are no preconditions, why tear up the deal? with the north koreans, i think it's inconceivable anybody is surprised at this. throughout this entire bizarre sort of extended kabuki theater that we have with the north koreans, all kinds of people who professional north korea watchers and people who pay close attention to their nuclear program said over and over again, guess what, so did the north koreans themselves. they're not giving up their nukes. they did talk about slowing down
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and maybe giving up the nuclear missile program. the fact that the u.s. intelligence agencies are now reporting they're still doing it and not just doing the missiles but doing the icbms, those are designed to strike the united states. >> they can hit the east coast. >> the east coast, guam, remember the whole thing last year when everyone went into a wild panic because they thought there was a north korean missile in the direction of guam. that facility outside of pyongyang, that's designed to make those kinds of missiles. if there's activity in that factory, that's a bad sign. >> so president rouhani of iran made this statement to a british ambassador earlier today on his official website. quote, after the u.s.'s illegal withdrawal from the jcpoa, the joint comprehensive plan of action, which is the iran deal, the ball is in europe's court in the limited time remaining. it seems like he was given an
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easy one by donald trump because if he says i'll meet with you any time, maybe the response should have been -- >> yeah, i think he missed a trick here. they could have called the president's bluff. rouhani is not really the man in charge, the person in charge man charge, the person in charge is the supreme leader. it would have cost rouhani relatively little to say, okay, if there's no preconditions, we'll meet. >> is that a danger to the world, the president puts so much stock in talking to everyone as opposed to using the state department and established negotiating channels that can be had at every level of government. when the president now goes to these places and says things, do guys like kim jong-un and vladimir putin same, i don't know if you mean it and you're going to change this in 24 minutes or 24 hours. >> absolutely, and that's what rouhani said. there are plenty of other people in the iranian establishment saying, we can't take this seriously. >> but ali, bobby, show me
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something the president has done that has hurt any of these authoritarian leaders. when he's faced with another bully-style leader, he folds. when he says he's tough on russia, it wasn't him, it was congress' sanctions. what has he actually done in relation to any of these countries that's actually hurt them? >> we have one week to find out. on the 6th of august, the sanctions on iran go back in place. that's why rouhani said there's a limited time left. it doesn't seem like there's anything europe can do it, the sanctions are going back on. and the iranian economy is in a bad way, the currency is in a tailspin. the iranians do have their backs to the wall. but when they have their backs to the wall historically, they don't respond with sweet reasonableness. >> bobby, good to see you as always, thank you. trump's trade wars are hitting one state particularly
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." among those now paying the price for president trump's trade war, dairy farmers in paul ryan's state of wisconsin. that of course is a key state in the president's 2016 election victory. >> so mexico has slapped retaliatory tariffs on 20 to 25%
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on u.s. dairy products. mexico has been the number one market for those products. likewise, china slapped 25% tariffs on u.s. milk, cream, cheese, and yogurt products. it's all added up to big losses for dairy farmers and huge surpluses of dairy products. >> nbc's vaughn hillyard joins us now from plymouth, wisconsin, which is known as the cheese capital of the world. all right, vaughn. walk us through this. >> reporter: good morning, stephanie and ali. to be clear and be frank about this, the dairy farmers' message to us over the last few days has been very certain. it's president trump, keep going, we need you to come through for us, we need these deals to be renegotiated, we need these markets open. we've been out here and talking to these guys who president trump, over the last months, recall, has been saying he's waging this trade war on behalf of. it's consistently called out
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canada for high tariffs on u.s. dairy exports and he says he's going to bat for them. what's happened, though, is that these farmers are losing the markets they already had from the likes of mexico and china. i would to introduce you to dairy farmers just down the road from here. for 28 years, you guys, they've been selling their milk directly to the cheese manufacturing company sartori cheese who is the one finding those export markets. 10% of their cheese goes overseas. when sartori struggles to find export markets, it's their price that goes down because the demand is not there. there's oversupply of milk in the u.s., there's more competitors like almond and soy milk alternatives. these cow farms are getting better at getting higher yields. i want you to hear how scott said he's supportive of the president's effort but he needs the president to come through. what concerns do you have about
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the dairy industry now in the months ahead, years ahead? >> you know, everything's got to shake itself out. and we just went through some tremendously low prices. some people are going to fall off on this, that financially aren't going to be here. there's other people that will. trump just got done with the european nation. that sounded very positive. the way it sounds, mexico wants to come and talk real seriously. and i really think this tariff think is going to be shorter-lived than -- i originally thought it would be six months. and i think that's going to get shortened up here by a ton, because now all of a sudden everybody is talking, maybe we should sit down and do some fair trade. >> reporter: what would be your message to president trump right now? >> keep doing what you're doing. it's working. some people maybe don't think so. but i really think it's working. >> reporter: they need, scott and paulette need the president
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to come through for them. there's 9,500 licensed dairy farmers in the state. 1.3 million dairy cows. wisconsin, it's not just cheese. harley-davidson has announced they're going to be moving manufacturing operations overseas. this is the highest cranberry producing state in the country. 30,000 people work in a paper industry that's also been hit. soybean, corn, beef farmers as well. wisconsin is the target here in this state, guys. >> great reporting, thanks very much, vaughn, good to see you. vaughn hillyard for us in wisconsin as he's been all around this country. this is time when we usually hand off to one of the great living legends of television news. she never wants to hear praise so we're just going to say it. it's a very special day, it's andrea mitchell's 40th anniversary with nbc news much. >> she started working here when she was 4 years old. andrea started at nbc news back at 1978. a year later she was named the
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network's energy correspondent. since then she's covered seven u.s. presidents and almost every beat in washington. in that time she's interviewed everyone from fidel castro to bono to billie jean king and hundreds of others in between. >> today we celebrate four decades of her tremendous reporting with this network as we hand you over to our friend and colleague, and idol, andrea mitchell. >> before we go, who was your favorite, billie jean king, fidel castro, or bono? >> i have to say bono. maybe billie jean. and if i hfidel is gone. love you guys, thank you so much, my great lead-in. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," court date. the first day of the manafort trial, the first test for the mueller team. >> collusion is not a crime. there's not

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