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>> the first time we ever spent time tomorrow was on pat moynihan's farm, do you remember? >> announcing her -- >> two things i want to say about andrea mitchell. she came up and introduced herself to me. i remember telling everyone, andrea freaking mitchell came up to me and she introduced herself to me, which is crazy. because i admired you for decades. at that point 20 years. it was 20 years ago. the second thing was they threw me on the air with breaking news. i was a rookie. do you know what you said to me? tell me what i can do to help. andrea mitchell. four years. >> well, here we go. >> no one would be surprised if you did another 40. thank you for everything. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. but we also have other news to do. good afternoon from msnbc headquarters in new york. i'm chris jansing. once again taking it from the great andrea mitchell. i'm in for craig melvin. political influence. breaking news. facebook says it found a new and covert disinformation campaign. this is the social media giant's
first time publicly acknowledging political meddling ahead of this year's midterms. and the kingmaker. president trump throwing his weight behind the pick for state's next governor. will his endorsement be the deciding factor? in midterms that seem to be all about the president. plus, trump 2020. as the president campaigns for others, a new look inside his own re-election bid that's described as sprawling, disjointed and bursting with confidence. we'll talk with the reporter behind that story. let's start with this major breaking news on foreign interference in the midterms, now just 98 days away. nbc news has confirmed that facebook is prepared to announce today a coordinated influence campaign that mirrors in some respects what happened during the 2016 campaign. nbc's mike melanie joins me with the story. we know facebook has been out there, telling lawmakers what it
believes it knows. what are they saying? >> as you say, chris, it's now less than 100 days before the midterm elections. we know what a role this kind of political influence campaign played. that's been spelled out very clearly in the mueller indictments that we saw in february, targeting the internet research agency in russia. what facebook has been doing is briefing officials at the justice department about new activity it has identified on its platforms that may not necessarily be -- they're not ready to point the finger at russia yet but that employ similar tactics to what we saw in 2016. let me read from the facebook statement. they're saying today we removed 32 pages and accounts from facebook and instagram because they were involved in coordinated, inauthentic behavior. that's the term they're using, coordinated, inauthentic behavior. because we don't what people or organizations creating net works of accounts to mislead others
about who they are or what they're doing. facebook also says they're in the very early stages of investigating this behavior. but based on conversations i've had with congressional sources, i can give you a sense of what some of these 32 pages are. one was designed to impersonate essentially what would have been a left leaning liberal page in opposition to a white supremacist movement rally planned in washington, d.c. that page was being used, seems to promote the abolish i.c.e. campaign. this is a movement that has taken root certainly among liberals on left in protest to the administration policies. and what the russians, if it is, in fact, the russians and what sources are saying is that they are being identified as the likely source of this, have done is once again identified a very hot political topic in our political discourse here and are now trying to amplify that in the hopes of stirring up essentially a hornet's net ahead of the midterm elections. we've been talking with lawmakers so far as this news just breaks. we spoke with lindsey graham a few moments ago.
he said this shows we have to do more to be on offense, not simply on defense, and he's going to be introducing on thursday what he called the sanctions bill from hell. targeting russia for this kind of activity. >> this is not a surprise, is it, to any of these folks? we have been talking about this. obviously many of those same people who are on capitol hill today are the same people who grilled the head of facebook and we all watched it here live. so they say they know they have to do something. i guess the question now is what. >> that's exactly right. the way facebook is portraying this is they're being responsive to the very serious concerns that they've been hearing from lawmakers on capitol hill. senator mark warner, he's the top democratic on the intelligence committee, he's been one of the strongest critics of both facebook and twitter for not doing enough to root it out on their own platform. we know there's a hearing in the senate intelligence committee that will be public discussing just this very issue. we know in september the top officials from both facebook, twitter and other social media platforms have been sullened and
they will appear before lawmakers just, at that point, less than two months before the election -- >> again, i understand they're going to ask some more questions, some more hearings. what is congress prepared to do to stop this, to say we're do everything you possibly can to make sure there is not outside influence in our elections? >> well, lindsey graham told me this shows we need an olive government approach. introducing this legislation in part. trying to get the president to joinest. he wants to see more pressure being put on russia. we're also hearing that some of these pages have been identified, and russia is an equal opportunity offender here. that our political leadership not to necessarily follow the rabl trail that the russians are
setting, but try to put out true information and call it out in real time. there have been legislative efforts. we haven't seen momentum in terms of passing them. perhaps that will gain some currency here in the fall. only a few legislative days before the midterm elections. >> stick with us, if you will. i want to bring in the tech policy reporter for "the washington post," nbc senior business reporter is here with me. nbc intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian. and on the phone, kent watts, former fbi special agent. you recently talked about the trump campaign and also within this white house on election security. but is there anything significant that's gone on that, again, is going to stop this from happening? >> you asked him what congress can do, another question is what can the executive branch do. we're not seeing any leadership
from the white house on this issue. donald trump had his first ever national security meeting the other day devoted to this subject. didn't make any statements, didn't give any orders as far as we know. the fbi has a foreign influence task force. the nsa is trying to step up its game in cyberspace. what officials tell me is there's no unifying strategy and there's no leadership from the white house and there's certainly been no steps taken to deter russia from this behavior. there are things that the united states could do to respond. it could release embarrassing information about putin's corrupt billions that he has stashed away in bank accounts. we're not doing it. the president has elevated this as an important issue to be concerned about. even though the director of national intelligence about a week ago gave a speech, said this is happening. exactly what facebook is describing today, dan coates said is happening on a daily basis. the russians are meddling in our politics. he says the system is blinking red and it was almost a cry for
executive branch leadership we have not seen, chris. >> let me get your reaction about the ads, the timing. here we are, 98 days out from the midterms. >> yes, in terms of the timing, what we find is usually they try and infiltrate audiences on social issues so that later they can drive them on political influence. so this is a tactic we saw in terms of both the left sort of leaning accounts and the right sort of leaning accounts back in 2016. we've also seen mentioned, you know, there's been two different daily beast reports in the last week that have said that two different senators were targeted in terms of hacking or spear fishing or different baiting campaigns and that is if you want an influence in the election year, you target them with hacks in the year before, which was 2017. so what this shows is a very consistent pattern. even when the social media
companies change their term of service or knock these accounts down, russia, other state sponsors, are going to continue to use this technique because it's very effective. it's very cheap. you can do it from afar. and the u.s. has not responded in any cohesive way to this sort of russian influence. when you saw some of the republican senators go to moscow on that fourth of july trip, they even said, well, everyone does this. this is essentially giving a free pass to any country around the world if they want to do political influence, go to social media inside the u.s. >> facebook put out a statement and one of the things that they say in it is these bad actors have been more careful to cover their tracks. when you look at the whole statement, you realize the complexity of what they're trying to do to continue to track them down in real tie, to prevent what's going on. how difficult is this? how difficult is it to say in the next 98 days, there's going
to be significant progress made so when we look back on it, we'll say there was no real overriding influence in this election. >> well, all it takes is money and effort. and they have to be willing to spend the money to clean up their platform. it looks like they're also reaching out to outside groups to partner with them in fighting some of these bad actors. they cited this outside group the atlantic counsel digital forensic lab. i think that's a positive development for facebook. >> this is a big change, isn't it? just the fact they're out ahead of this now. >> yes, this is actually kind of different. we're used to seeing them with their head in their sand, denying responsibility, really downplaying things. here, they really seem to be stepping into the line of fire. it seems to go along with several different business moves we've seen them take, you know, their stock dropped 20% last week and part of that was saying we're going to spend extra money to clean up the platform that's here in ten years instead of being turned into this total mess. so this -- and the
communications shop, so we are seeing a different facebook. but is it going to be different enough, soon enough, to help us in these midterm elections. >> tony, during the earnings call last week, i understand facebook kind of sidestepped whether it had already found election interference. assuming they are announcing that they found something, why wait until today? >> well, in fact, in june, facebook officials were telling us that they hadn't found anything and i think for a lot of folks when they heard the news today, they thought back to when mark zuckerberg said it was essentially crazy that russia could have interfered and produced information on the platform which is obviously a position he since has withdrawn there. but, you know, as you guys pointed out this is going to come down to capitol hill and what they're willing to do to hold facebook to the fire or whether they or others in government are willing to secure the regulations that could stop this sort of thing. we'll see facebook on the hot seat tomorrow when members of congress and the senate intelligence committee hold a hearing on social media and what
can happen in the 2018 midterms and again in september when we expect the chief operating officer to testify. so this is just the beginning for facebook. and, you know, just to the point of the stock price, one of the other reasons that stock price dropped is because facebook was facing the threat of regulation. folks thought maybe facebook's privacy problems had finally caught up with it. now the question investors might have to ask is has this issue around disinformation caught up with facebook, only adding to the regulatory threats. >> let me follow up. because obviously september's going to be huge. sheryl sandberg is probably one of the best known faces in business today. let's go to tomorrow and the key questions and how what's being revealed today might change that. >> facebook is and isn't the one testifying tomorrow. there's no rep from the company going to be sitting there facing lawmakers. you can expect democrats and republicans to land on the company and its peers in social
media for failing to do enough. we're talking about disinformation right now. sort of things that might affect how americans view political issues. this is just actually one smaller slice of the larger issue about hate speech and a because and other kinds of bad things that sometimes tend to proliferate on social media. there's just a general apprehension and dislike by the part of members of congress right now with how these social mediay s aies are policing what appears there, whether election relate order not. so fueled members of congress to do more, to regularly the more what happens on social media. >> let me go back to something that's in this statement that came out from facebook. it reminds all of us of just how inexpensive it is to do what's being done. they ran about 150 ads for approximately $11,000. $11,000. when we're talking about campaigns that cost millions, multimillions of dollars. paid for in u.s. and canadian dollars. first ad created 2017.
last created in 2018. again, you don't need to have huge financial backing to run an operation like this. >> right. they're really getting their bang for their buck. this is exactly what these systems are designed to do is, you know, take messages that are -- manipulate our emotions and get us to stick around facebook and get it to the right people the quickest. the problem is now that foreign actors in russia have figured that out and they're using this very system to drive those to the people at a very low cost. i remember who said this exactly, someone said that now with the social media tools like facebook, twitter, you can take over an entire country for the cost of a helicopter. >> clint, that's a perfect lead to give you the last question. as people are watching this trying to absorb exactly what this new information means, what should they know? >> i think the good thing is that facebook is watching these accounts now and these efforts to do manipulation.
so that's a positive thing. we've seen a lot of changes made on the platforms. i think the thing to always remember is what are you getting your information from? social media is not reliable for political and social information, especially when things get passionate. whether you're russia or any other manipulator in terms of politics or social issues, social media is the great way to dupe you into reading and sharing something that may or may not be true or authentic. whether facebook changes their terms of service or not, there's always going to be a manipulating behind the scenes that is going to try to achieve what their goal is. this is the most cost effective influence machine ever made in world history and it's highly effective. >> so tony, for people who want the opportunity to separate fact from fiction, what's the best advice you can give them? >> well, you have to go to good news sources. i know i'm a little biyalsed in
saying that but it comes down to figure out who you follow and why you follow those accounts. the news networks that you happen to watch. it really does at some point fall on the consumer to make better decisions which is an uncomfortable truth these days. the same thing goes whether you're on facebook or elsewhere. if you're following accounts on twitter, you have to be more mindful about the kinds of things you're sharing. that being said, it's a very hard thing to do. we mentioned at the top of the segment the bit about trying to stoke protests. there was an account that was trying to get folks to turn up at an alt right rally in washington, d.c. more than 2,000 people rsvd'd to that event. just to give you a sense how easily these things can be passed along and how easily consumers can be duped. >> my thanks to you for scrambling to cover this breaking news. great reporting, thank you. also breaking news on white house chief of staff john kelly. the request the president made
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investigation is a witch hunt. even though none of the charges involve manafort's time with donald trump. the trial was expected to last about three weeks. we'll keep you posted on jury selection. we've got breaking news involving the president's chief of staff john kelly. nbc news has learned that kelly plans to stay at the white house through the 2020 election. nbc's kristen welker is live at the white house with the latest. i mean, after all these months, kristen, of rumors that john kelly was on his way out, what are you hearing now? >> well, this is a significant development, chris, my colleague peter confirming according to a senior administration official that john kelly on monday told his staff that the president sktd h asked him to stay through the 2020 election and he agreed. it's significant for a range of different reasons. john kelly was brought in about a year ago to try to bring order and stability to what was then a very chaotic white house.
a lot of people felt as though he was successful. to some extend, he obviously stemmed the flow of people coming in and out of the oval office. he couldn't stop the president from tweeting, no one can. look, he did have an impact here on the white house. publicly, he had had some controversies with the president. broken with the president for example several months ago, that roiled president trump. and it was broadly thought his influence here was waiting. and he was eyeing the exits at his one year mark. now that one year mark has passed. and he's still here. so it is significant. and the fact the president has asked him to stay through 2020, a sign the president who was thinking at one point about having no chief of staff at all has decided he wants to have a chief of staff, that a chief of staff is necessary and significant and plays a critical role here at the white house. i think the big questions and the unanswered questions are just how much influence he will have moving forward, what will his relationship with the
president be. it has been up and down. clearly it seems as though the president has decided to keep him so things are on pretty good footing at this point in time. >> they celebrated his first anniversary on the job and they put that picture out there, so we'll see going forward. we know things, the more they change, the more they stay the same. in this white house, it's the more they stay the same, the more they change, right? great to see you. as we celebrate andrea together. >> absolutely, i loved your story at the top of the show, that was perfect. >> true, she's unbelievable. plastic guns printed at home easy to make, nearly impossible to track. the new effort to stop the texas man from putting the instructions online for just anyone to see.
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we're back with the kingmaker himself, president trump heads to his other home state of florida just a few hours from now. there's a rally tonight in tampa. the congressman endorsed, even though republicans haven't had their primary yet. trump's finger on the scale has turned the tide away from the early favorite, adam putnam, to trump's preferred candidate. it's been a microcosm of the
republican party writ large where trump's picks have recently won their primaries and what's most important, how loyal does the modern day republican have to be? check out a clip of this new commercial from desantos. >> everyone knows my husband ron desantos is endorsed by president trump but it's also an amazing dad. ron loves playing with the kid. >> build the wall. >> he reads stories. >> then mr. trump says you're fired. i love that part. >> that's a real commercial. here to break it down, nancy cook, white house reporter for political, phillip rutger, "the washington post." what do we make of it? i mean, it's not your everyday run of the mill political campaign, but it also, i guess you could argue, does what commercials is supposed to do, which is grab attention. >> yes, and it makes people talk about it. we're talking about it 24 hours after the ad was released.
but i think it speaks to a much larger point we're seeing in the midterms in which the president is really playing an increasingly important role in giving his imprint to certain candidates and giving them a huge boost. you know, desatnis, for instance, was behind in the polls. trump supported him in a series of tweets. and now he's up ahead of his opponent, putnam, who really, you know, is a longtime office hold holder, a florida politician a lot of people know. it looked look he is going to win. i feel like it's an interesting moment for the midterm because i feel like it shows the white house at least how they can use the president in the months leading up to the midterms by sending him out to these rally, by using his twitter feed. i think they feel very encouraged by this. >> desantis was on fox news earlier. >> we also do it in a way people can get a little laugh out of and have a lighter touch, you know, for people getting upset
about it, shows they have no sense of humor and they totally don't get what we were trying to convey. >> nancy, what does the average florida republican seeing in this that is going to be useful to him? is it just his wife saying you know his wife-- endorsed by don trump? >> it was a key state for him in 2016. and i think that he is calling out desantis on twitter saying he's tough on crime, he's follow the president's agenda. that's been a huge boost to the candidate in florida. >> there's a great write-up in "the new york times" about how important fox was also to the lead. quote, it was quote that begot mr. desant i s' candidacy. by going on the network as often as he could to rail against mueller's investigation. he has appeared on fox prime-time shows least 41 times since mr. trump was inaugurated.
mr. desantis attracted the president's attention. is this a blueprint for what other republican candidates can do? go on fox as often as you can, catch the president's attention and he'll tweet about you? >> yes, i think it is, chris. as we all know, president trump watches those shows on fox, if not live, he watches it on his, you know, fancy dvr recorder. and so if he sees desantis on there defending the president, attacking the president's enemies, be they robert mueller or anybody else, that's earning brownie points in the eyes of trump. and trump is really trying to throw his weight around in politics right now. he knows that his approval rating among republican voters nationally is very high. even though he's polarizing and overall unpopular with theelect. he knows that a tweet here, a tweet there or an endorsement or
an -- especially a rally like he's doing tonight in florida can make a difference for these candidates. >> the state of the race in florida in mid-june had adam putnam up double digits. nbc and meris had him up 27 points. so then donald trump tweets his endorsement, june 22nd, congressman ron desantis is running for governor of the great state of florida. loves our military and our vets. he will be a great governor and has my full endorsement. now look at the latest polls. mason dixon has desantis up four points. florida atlantic university up nine points. when the president feels strongly about the role he can play in these midterms and this twitter account and his endorsements, is he right, phillip? >> well, he's right about the power they can play in the
primary. the republican primary. his endorsement carries a lot of weight in florida. that's why you see those poll numbers changing for desantis. but there's a real risk, a danger for trump's candidates in the general election because the president remains polarizing with the general election trat. if you look at a state like florida, there are a lot of swing voters who may be turned off by how closely aligned desantis is aligned with trump and it's why some establishment republicans in florida are a little concerned. they feel that putnam, who has a little more distance from the president, might be a stronger election candidate -- >> the other big race in florida is for senate. you've got the republican candidate, current governor rick scott. he is not hugging trump like this. he isn't even scheduled to attend the rally tonight. even though, i mean, you'd think
he could, he could make the time if he wanted to. what's going on there? >> it's a bit more nuanced than him just completely distancing himself. today actually he was at the white house for a bill signing. and so i think he's doing this public thing where maybe he doesn't want to appear at the -- beside the president, sort of huge rallies that will be televi televised, but he is cozying up to the president at a fund-raiser today, appearing at the white house with a bill signing, so he's still staying close to trump. >> this all seems -- this event especially tonight seems to fit what the lead editorial in "the wall street journal" called trump's lose the house strategy. they attribute this to steve bannon. they say stress issues that polarize the electorate, to drive voter turnout among the trump base this means muting talk of tax cuts in the economy and talking up immigration and trade policies that bash foreigners. is trump okay do you think with losing the house, if he can keep the senate? what's going on there? >> well, his focus is very much
on the senate. because he sees a chance that -- to beat a lot of democratic incumbents. in races and states trump carried in 2016. so the president's eyes have been more focused on the senate. there is concern of course in the white house and by the president about the possibility of losing the house. but they also accept the reality that the house is much more likely to fall into democratic hands. so they're doing what they can to preserve the republican majority in the senate. >> all right, let me get your quick reaction to just seconds ago, the tweet by donald trump. i don't know if you got an alert on your phone. i don't care what the political ramifications are, our immigration laws and border security have been a complete and total disaster for decades. there is no way that the democrats will allow it to be fixed without a government shutdown. >> yes, i think that -- he talked about this yesterday in a joint press conference -- >> he's being consistent about it, that's for sure.
republicans who are nervous about a government shutdown don't seem to be registering with him. >> i feel like congressional leadership has sort of ignored him on this. to me it seems like this is something he's really trying to do to rally his base. talking about immigration, talking about a shutdown, talking about the need for a border wall. these are messages that are very popular with his base and help to get him elected in 2016 and so it makes sense to me before rallies this week in tampa and in pennsylvania that he would return to those messages. >> thank you so much. tonight's florida rally for the president, an example of just how trump tends to dominate the midterms. even as a new article in "vanity fair" concludes that his own 2020 re-election team mirrors his 2016 team in one very important way. chaos. gabe sherman is an msnbc contributor and he wrote that piece. how chaotic is it? >> this is really kind of a repeat of what we saw in the last cycle where the president likes to pit his advisers off of each other, including members of
his own family, as they fight for sort of what the priorities and the message of this re-election should be. what's winning now and what is clear is what you just talked about in the last block. clearly donald trump is running a base strategy. he thinks his best way to both hold on to the house and senate this cycle and then get re-elected in 2020 is by mobilizing the coalition that turned out in 2016, which are working class whites and people who traditionally don't vote in presidential elections. people who are disaffected and alienated from presidential politics. >> we have this big picture, the silent majority stands with trump. notice that they say majority. >> yes, and this really of course sort of upended and shocked what we all thought was conventional wisdom. reporting this piece, i went to a rally he held in duluth, minnesota. in many way, it felt like a reunion more than a rally. they relived their greatest iii
the wall." this is a road show that the president thissive rue iv thriv using it as a preview almost of what he's going to do in 2020. >> chaos is how he ran his real estate business, his campaign. maybe we shouldn't be surprised there's chaos again for 2020. you also write that steve bannon as the president's ear again. i mean, jared and ivanka, i can't imagine are too happy about that. >> yes, clearly this is, again, sort of a repeat of what we saw in the early days of the trump white house where you had these competing factions. while bannon and the president aren't personally close, they had that bitter falling out following comments bannon made in michael wolfe's book "fire and fury," bannon speaks to the president through other channels including corey lewandowski. so when bannon wants to get a message to the president, he has lines of communication. as we've seen, trump threaten
aa shutdown. he is running, and as steve bannon told me, it's almost as if bannon is in the white house checking off his white house board of all his priorities. >> so really quickly, you know, not everybody in the republican party sees the electorate the same way donald trump or steve bannon does. what the aare the chances of hi getting a republican challenger? >> very high. there's likely to be -- in fact, bill krystal even floated the idea. >> kasich? >> kasich, jeff flake, bob corker. there are lots of candidates. the question is, we've talked about is, donald trump commands the trump base. people who vote in primaries are base voters. so it's hard to see a primary challenger really getting any traction. >> wow, it's just a fascinating story. people can read it in "vanity fair." missile fears. u.s. spy agencies say there are
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jong-un and pronounced the world a safer place, north korea may be making new missiles. "the washington post" reports u.s. intelligence has seen activity at the factory where north korea missiles. the white house says it doesn't comment on intelligence. but contradicts the president's statement that north korea is no longer a nuclear threat. now president trump is talking about a meeting with another meter of a rogue state. and says he will meet with iran's leader without preconditions. followed closely by his secretary of state seeming to lay out conditions. listen. >> i would certainly meet with iran if they wanted to meet. i don't know if they're ready yet. they're having a hard time right now. any time they want. any time they want. it's good for the country. it's good for them. good for us. and good for the world. no preconditions. if they want to meet, i'll meet. >> the president wants to meet with folks to solve problems. if the iranians demonstrate a commitment to make fundamental changes in how they treat their
own people, reduce their malign behavior, can agree that it's worthwhile to enter a nuclear agreement that actually prevents proliferation, and the president said he's prepared to sit down and have a conversation with them. >> so iran, north korea. jo joe o'rourke, national "post" security reporter. what do we know about their nuclear production? >> what we know is it's very much the same as it was before the big summit meeting seven weeks ago. before that, north korea was making icbms, making fissile material for nuclear weapons. they're still doing the same thing. this latest story is looking inside the factories where they make these icbms, the production lines are still going. they're still making missiles cap ibl an of reaching the united states. >> you write intel officials, quoting your story here, senior north korean officials have discussed their intention to deceive washington about the number of nuclear warheads and missiles they have as well as the types and numbers of
facilities and to rebuff international inspectors. we go back to the president talking about we're safer. are we better off, the same or worse off than we were seven weeks ago when donald trump met with kim jong-un? >> i think this actually, this part of the intelligence is a little bit more worrisome. if you think about it, maybe they're just off to a slow start. maybe they're going to start dismantling missile programs in the future. what's a little more alarming to people who look at the intelligence is the fact they're actively trying to deceive us. they know some things about their nuclear program. we don't know everything. we tonight know where all the bombs are. so they're talking among themselves about trying to keep this stuff hidden, to give over maybe some of it, to try to get a good deal with the u.s., but not to get rid of all of it. there's active deceptive maybes. >> now we talk about iran, a country that as recently as nine days ago he was threatening with consequence, promised to crush its economy with international sanctions, he accused it of
fomenting terrorism. so which is it? does he want to sit down and talk with them or are they the bad guy? >> well, it's a bit confusing, isn't it right? the iranians, just in the last few hours, their reaction has been interesting because they're not sure what to make of it. it's great when you have leaders sit down and they can try and take the volume down a notch or two and try and get some, you know, rapport going but you can't translate that necessarily into having success and trying to dismantle a weapons system as we're seeing in north korea. just a handshake alone is not nearly enough. >> that face-to-face meeting that usually happens after a long, long negotiation. let me just ask you really quickly about what will be the dangers of a meeting between trump and rouhani? what worries national security folks? >> i'm sorry, i thought that was -- you were addressing someone else. yes, the worry is that sometimes if there is a sense there's mo
h momentum, if there's promises made and suddenly north korea doesn't come through, then you revert back to the threats of fire and fury and things could get very heated very quickly. it's always better to try to have, you know, negotiation, you know, people working on the ground, to try to work out terms of the agreement, and then work out leaders to bring in, to put the final stamp on things but that's not what happened this time. >> joby, thank you. instructions that anyone can download to print plastic guns and rifles using 3-d printers. all of it now online despite eight attorney generals trying to block it. trump today tweeting, i am looking into 3-d plastic guns being sold to the public. already spoke to the nra. doesn't seem to make much sense. democrats quickly fired back. >> it's a dollar short and a day late. where the heck has he been? they are just enslaved by the
nra. >> the president's really tough on gun safety until the nra shows up in the white house and he caves every time. >> these guns are untraceable. they are a menace that will increase the availability of deadly weapons to criminals on the street. >> nbc's tom costello has been following the story, and tom, the first question i got from somebody is do they work. so i think that there is a lot of confusion out there about what this actually is a plastic gun, the 3d printer. what are they and what is the real concern here? >> well, they do work. i mean just the fact that they are plastic and keep in mind that we have plane, and technically planes made of oplastic, right? they are durable and well made. the concern of course is that if they are in fact undetectable as senator bloomenthal suggested you could smuggle it into the airport and into the airplane and into the halls of congress
and into the prison and you can imagine how they would be really the kind of weapon that many people would be excited to get their hands on. and the concern is that terrorists are now going to be able to download the instructions and print these weapons in the basements, and not just the terrorist, but any criminal could do that. i checked with the ts, a short time agoed and they have uncovered four weapons made of plastic, and the 3d printed weapons that they have uncovered four of them within the past year. so the obama administration moved to stop the gentleman in texas, cody wilson, from putting this information online. even though by the way, there is a lot of it already out there. but he was going to be the definitive repository. >> and so it is like putting the jean genie in the bottle, because it is out there. >> right. and he had the instructions for the ak-47 weapon, and the obama administration voted to block it
saying that we cannot export this into the hands of terrorist, and he said that he had a first and second amendment right to publish the information and to make a e weapon himself in the basement. then the trump administration decided to drop the objection even though the obama administration had been winning every court verdict, the trump administration dropped the objection. and so now, u under the trump administration's agreement with mr. wilson, he will publish as of midnight tonight on august 1st, of course, which you have now state, eight state attorneys general moving fast to try to block him. i talked to one of the fathers from the high school in florida, marjory douglas stoneham high school where those students were kill and i asked one of the fathers about it. >> this changes america forever. someone can walk into the gun and you won't know it. airplanes and you could be flying with someone with a gun,
and you won't know it. and courthouses and someone has a gun and you don't know it. and that is the risk. >> i think that a lot of people agree that is the risks, but it runs right up against the first and the second amendment arguments as well. >> tom costello, always good to see you, my friend. >> reunited former vice president jbd and former president obama grabbing a lunch. they thanked the work of the military staff and their families. >> what you have done already rendered service whether as an active member of the military or the spouse, family member and then to then to come back again and do more for your communities is what makes us proud. >> yes, sir. >> all right. so we so appreciate you guys. >> i am joined by megan ogilvy, the dog tag, inc. officer.
and not every day showed up to the bakery, and did you know they were coming? you had to because of the secret service? >> no, we had 15 minutes when we were first told and they said they will be here within the next six to seven minutes. >> were you freak iing out? >> totally h. but we were so thrilled. we run a fellowship program that empowers wounded veterans and military spouses and caregivers and we were so thrilled with the opportunity, and so we brought the entire fellows downstairs and the entire staff came in and me and the souse chef were the only ones who knew, and when president obama came in and shook my hand he said that we have been following what you are doing, and we are encouraged by it, and with rehere to meet the fell lows and then vice president biden came through and shook my hand and of course a hug, and proceeded to meet the fellows and genuinely asked them about the service, and where they served or where the loved ones serve and the goals of
being in the program and the entrepreneurial ideas. >> explain the program, because those of us who have been working in d.c. know it and it has a fantastic reputation, but let the rest of the people of the country know what happens there. >> so we run the dog tag bakery in the heart of washington, d.c., in georgetown and we use the bakery as a living business school. above the cafe we have a classroom where we have fellows who go through seven courses taught by the georgetown professors to have continuing studies. in five months they graduate with a certificate of business from georgetown university and so then they can a apply that with different rotations of the communications, development, and front of house and back of house and the reality of what it looks and feels like to run their own obusiness as a lot of the fellows in the alumni have their own entrepreneurial ideas and small businesses. >> i have to ask you a quick because we are almost out of time. one, what did they get, and i
notice ad tip jar in the picture, and did they tip? >> yes, they tipped and two, they both had the same sandwich which is a chi bau batta sandwi with a side of a salad and a blueberry ba blueberry basil cake. >> oh, that sounds so good. and i thought if they were going to be showing up, oh, i wish i had worn something else to dday >> a few people asked that, but we were so grateful and honored and inspired by the whole day and them taking the time to come to our bakery and supporting the mission was overwhelming, and we are still reeling it in today. >> megan ogilvy, thank you for taking the time to talk to us. >> thank you for having me. >> we will be right back. it felt like my heart was skipping beats. they said i had afib. what's afib? i knew that meant i was at a greater risk of stroke. i needed answers.
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>> that wraps up this hour of "msnbc live" and katy tur is joining us to pick up the coverage. >> thank you. we are following breaking news. an effort to mettle in the u.s. election elections effort is apparently far from over. facebook has told the lawmakers that they have found a new covert campaign to spread divisive political message s on the network. the announcement is 98 days ahead of the midterm elections, and the company is already taking measures to stop the influence operation. it has removed 32 accounts from both facebook and