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the president and the proposal, the trump team considering new conditions for a high stakes sitdown with robert mueller up next, why the deal remains deadlocked. plus, manafort and his millions how he frittered away a fortune. a few days ago i called the fake news the enemy of the people and they are. >> do you think the press is the enemy of the people? >> no, i do not. >> opposing sides. the president and first daughter split over the media but how much influence does she really have over presidential policy. >> we are worried but i need you to say no, it's going to be okay. >> okay, it's going to not be okay. it's not. >> from big brother to bombshell book. it's omarosa, she ignites a
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trump tweet storm. good day to viewers in new york, we'll get to what's happening out there. to democrats just how damning he thinks the latest tweets against the russian investigation are, here's what emanual cleaver told me in the last half hour. >> one of the things that i think is troubling, including republicans, frankly, the president even being warned about his trespassing on grounds that could lead to a clearer picture for mueller to charge obstruction of justice. he continues to do that, i think because he can't control himself. he realizes that he is in some trouble. and i don't believe that we're going to see any retreat by the president at all. >> our coverage including nbc
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white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. ellie mccauley. alexia thomas from axios. let's go to you, first, kelly. on the probability of an interview by the special counsel. what all you can tell us about this? >> well, alex, it's good to be with you again. that question is hanging out in the air. and the president is lashing out at lebron james. and in doing so, he praises michael jordan saying in a tweet that lebron james was just interviewed by the dumbest man on division, he made lebron look smart, i like mike. michael jordan through a spokesman is telling nbc news, i support l.j., he's doing an amazing job for his community. likely a reference to the lebron james family foundation which contributes a lot of money in
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the northeast ohio area, where, of course, the president is visiting ohio today in the columbus area. but lebron james, of course, comes from akron. he's long been a cleveland cavalier now going to the lakers. and so, this is a back and forth that played out on twitter, after lebron james said that he was disappointed the president was using sport to divide people. that was his assessment of the battle over the kneeling or not kneeling during the national anthem, with nfl players. and so, lebron james was asked about it, commented on it. and then that blot trought the president to twitter to lash out. of course, james had also endorsed hillary clinton in 2016 something that the president knew as well. imagine ohio fans when the president comes to town. now, on the running back questi -- mueller question, we have a
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question of the legal team and the defense side hoping this would be gone long ago. and it isn't. and the office of special counsel expected monday or tuesday with their latest request or conditions that they'd like to see for a potential interview with the president. one of the things they're saying is he could be asked about matters that happened prior to taking office that would kind of cover the area of collusion, alleged collusion. was there any interference from russian operatives with actual individuals in the trump orbit? we've seen some of that playing out in recent months. but not things that took place while the president was in office, which would cover all of the things that relate to the comey firing or alleged obstruction of justice. that's where they stand at the moment. will any of this amount to an interview with the president. many legal experts say that would be perilous for the president to voluntarily do it. at the same time, we don't know if the special counsel will attempt to subpoena the president and begin a legal
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fight with that which is something that the white house and outside legal team have been researching and preparing. there are questions about whether a sitting president could be compelled to testify or must be something that can be reached voluntarily. there are legal and political implications to all of it. will it happen, we don't know. but the fact and forth continues. >> kelly o., thank you from new jersey. joining me now political reporter from ax see yo. and seem ma. si seema, the president is interested in this, he's on twitter claiming his innocence. saying always innocent, just let me talk. do you think there's a strategy there? >> i think there's two things what the president wants to do and what his lawyers wants him to do. the president has made it clear he wants to sit down with mueller. when you hear his lawyers talk about it, rudy giuliani talk
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about it, there's much more caution discussed there. it's two competing ideas obviously with the administration what the president wants to do, his impulses, versus what the president wants to do. >> so if the president's legal team, alexi, decides, no, there's not going to be a voluntary interview, what happens next? a subpoena? >> that certainly could happen if he doesn't sit down. the interesting thing is he wants to sit down and do an interview with mueller, despite his lawyers tells him otherwise. so, unless they actually come to that conclusion, it's seeming that the president wants to sit down. it's interesting how the president seemingly with -- the opinion of public court, tweeting his innocence. and now he's shifting by signaling he does want to actually sit down. do this lawyers somehow convince him to listen to them and a subpoena is definitely likely.
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but i'm willing to say that the president will push for that even if it's against his lawyers' advice. >> and seema, we saw candidates deliver for candidates. we saw him on thursday. he's going to ohio tonight. do you think voters are welcoming his presence there or do they have reservations? >> i think they're bringing him in the area in ohio has been a reliable republican district. and i think the race has been tightening. i think republicans are hoping that the president's appearance tonight helps energize the republican base and gets those voters to the poll. this is the last special election before the midterms. this is going to be sort of an indicator of where we're heading. >> what about the democrats, alexi, with the game plan leading up to the midterms in november. what are they doing right now to win? and talk about how the socialist
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message from breakout candidates like new york's alexandria o cortez. >> when i talk about it, the base is telling her to start paying her to come out because of the way she energizes the republican base. aside from the democratic socialist movement democrats across the country are given the freedom to focus on local issues in a way that republicans are not. they are forced into talking about national issues and responding to controversy coming out of washington out of the president because of the way he's getting involved time and again across the country in these races. >> very key point you make there. ladies, i want to get to interesting stuff with omarosa newman. the new book coming out titled "unhinged." in a public excerpt she
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describes her experience with the president. she writes i realized something real and serious was going on in donald's brain. his mental decline could not be denied. what do you think there is to the reference of his state of mind? what's the session she's making? >> she's obviously known him for some time. i don't know how correctly she's viewed by the american public. if you agree that the president's mental state needs examined you will probably agree with her. i think it's an interesting observation for somebody who has known him for over a decade and was in the white house. and this lester holt interview was a key moment before the white house line was we're getting rid of james comey. and in this interview, he brought up russia. >> so, what do you think this is all about, alexi, is it about selling books? >> yes. >> or are there others? do you know of others in the
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president's inner circle echoing her sentiments? >> well, i know for many months now people close to the president have told us at axios, this is the darket phase of the president's presidency. now it really seems that the president is unhinged. i mean he is someone who loves going off the cough. i don't think that omarosa is necessarily wrong when she says it seems like the president rambles on and on. that's something we all know. i really do think we're seeing this pats turn of folks, whether it's republican lawmakers retiring suddenly deciding to speak out against the president. or folks who leave the white house, like omarosa and sean spicer writing the tell-all books when they see a way to profit from insider information which may not be new information from what we've been hearing from folks all along. >> ladies thank you for weighing in. appreciate that. thank you. so, a protest against the nra in northern virginia. let's go to ali vitaly in
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fairfax count county for us. ali, let's get to the scene, what are you hearing? >> reporter: alex, things are starting to wrap up behind me. at least the oral portion of this where folks might stand in makes remarks. one of the things that the march for our lives students have tried to push is this national conversation about gun control and gun violence. there are protesters back behind me on the other side of the crowd, instead of there being any clashes there was actually some engagement. and i thought that conversation wasn't heated it wasn't tense. people weren't shouting over each other. they were talking about the issues from the stance of being pro-nra. and from the stance of these students who would like to see the nra get out of politiciaauo. one of the students michael sullivan from maryland, why the nra should stop the change they're looking for. >> nra's money has been funding
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a lot of inaction, right? they don't want lawmakers to take any specific action. they want them to just stay away from their guns. i feel like as long as we have a corrupt organization like the national rifle association controlling our politicians on the right and even some of our politicians on the left, i think it will be impossible for us to do anything productive in congress. and even in the -- even for the white house. >> reporter: so, on the one side of this, there is the policy debate. on the other side, you can see in the background, there are flowers around here to remember one of the students joaquin oliver killed in the parkland shooting. it would have been his birthday today. and a lot of folks are remembering him in the way we're pushing for guns alex. >> can i just ask you for the makeup of the group of what you're seeing bought i love what you're saying, there's discourse, there's discussion, there's opposing sides but they seem to be having civil
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discussions. does predominantly young this group, or representation from all walks and ages? >> reporter: it's both. the confrontation i was talking about, some of the students came over and engaged some of the counterprotesters here, many of them from local pro-gun organizations just simply talking about the gun debate and where they can find common points of consensus. there were discussion about gun checks and back ground. that's a discussion that i think a lot of these students hope can be held on a more national legislative level. >> thanks. he lived high on the hog and wound up in deep debt. now prosecutors paint a picture of paul manafort's growing desperate need for money. and why did he agree to work for donald trump for no pay? that's next. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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there's a new op-ed from "the washington post" titled "the manafort trial has president trump very worried." and it comes as the prosecution is laying out its case against the president's former campaign manager. joining me now glenn kushner and washington university law professor kathleen clark. glenn, i'll reap och out to you first. the leap implications what are they in the manafort trial and what should be the moast alarmig to the president? >> good morning. as it unfolds in virginia, it appears to be a strong case against paul manafort.
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the prosecution has tried to jazz it up a little bit with all of the photographs and evidence-mr. manafort's seven homes, his waterfall ponds his putting agrees and now ever popular ostrich jacket. so, the prosecutors are trying to keep the jurors engaged. but i'll tell, the documentary evidence and the testimony from the accountants and the tax preppers has been devastating, when, for example, yesterday, some of the testimony that unfolded through the questioning of one of the accountants, the prosecutor was asking the accountant about the relationship between mr. gates and mr. manafort. and the accountant made it clear that, well, mr. gates was mr. manafort right-hand man. when the prosecutor followed up with, well who was in charge? the testimony was, oh, mr. manafort was in charge. so, the whole let's try to put it on gates it probably not going to fly with the jury. and i think that the two biggest things that we have coming up, they both relate to gates'
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testimony. because if he testifies, one, we're going to see a little bit of a donnybrook with the defense attorneys really trying to beat him up as a liar. and as somebody who has this incredible motive to fabricate against mr. manafort. because he got relatively speaking a very generous plea offer. but then i think the second and even more important consequence of gates' testimony, for the president is we may learn a whole lot of things that we've never heard before. because the defense attorneys will have every statement that gates ever made to mueller's prosecution team. and, therefore, there are topics that they could cross examine him on that we have not been made privy to so this could be a very big week. >> kathleen, as we get to you, as glenn had said they're trying to jazz things up with the
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documents, legally speaking how does that circle back to the president? >> the issue is whether manafort will be convinced or convincible to speak out against the president to cooperate, eventually, with the investigation. and turn on president trump. which i think may help explain president trump's outburst earlier this week. where he's feeling his own legal vulnerability. and, you know, therefore asking attorney general sessions to shut down the russia investigation. so, we see that the president himself is acting as though he's at risk. >> and he certainly has his lawyer, rudy giuliani talking about the president, with regard to speaking to the special counsel voluntarily. let's take a listen to that. >> i've heard him say, i want to be interviewed. if my lawyers can reach an agreement on what the ground rules will be. we've had a hard time doing that. but we're still -- i'm not going to give you a lot of hope it's going to happen. but we're still negotiating.
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we haven't stopped negotiating. >> glenn, we're heard a lot of people weigh in on this, but is it in the president's best interest to sit down and talk to robert mueller or not? >> you know, sadly, no. i think it would be difficult for him to come out of an interview unscathed. and i was interested that robert mueller was contemplating written questions to mr. trump. that sounded a little bit unusual to me. but i think if i can use one example of a written question that could put the president in a trick bag, it would be, you know, mr. trump, did you ask director comey to lay off michael flynn? there are only two answers to that question. if the president says, no, i didn't, i will bet mr. mueller can prove that to be a false answer. and if the yesterday says, yes, i did, what would support arguably an obstruction of justice charge. so, i don't think the president will answer any questions in any form, orally, written, or any other way.
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>> but, kathleen, rudy giuliani says the negotiations continue. so what do they look like? why is it taking so long, and do you see an end point here? how much of this can go on? >> well, i think that trump's lawyers think it their interest and his interest to keep those negotiations going on as long as possible. those negotiations are taking place in the shadow of legal precedence, indicating that presidents can be compelled to cooperate with a criminal investigation as former presidents nixon and clinton found out in their own experiences. so, while there isn't precedent requiring, or a court sustaining a subpoena requiring a president to testify before a grand jury, president clinton agreed to do exactly that, only after the subpoena was issued. so, i suspect that's what we need to keep in mind.
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it's against the backdrop where presidents are not above the law. presidents do have, you know, can be compelled to cooperate. and act in that way, in the same way anyone else in the country has to act. they're not above the law. >> kathleen clark and glenn kishekish er kirshner. thank you. the ivanka factor, the moderator position in the white house but does she have any influence on the way he comports himself? hi! how was your day? it was good. it was long. let's fix it. play "connection" by onerepublic. (beep) ♪these days, my waves get lost in the ocean♪ ♪seven billion swimmers man ♪i'm going through the motions ♪sent up a flare need love and devotion♪ ♪trade it for some faces that i'll never know notion♪
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the point in the white house, the border issue, what is your view on that? >> yes, that was a low point for me as well. i feel very strongly about that. and another very vehemently against family separation. and the separation of parents and children. >> ivanka trump on thursday, apparently distancing herself from her father's immigration policy, making comments that according to "the washington post" did not impress her critics. one of the co-authors of that
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article, felicia, welcome to you. it may be a bit unreasonable to ask ivanka to speak directly against her father, or her boss, really. is there any event that they took steps to end that policy? what did she do about it? >> well, i think we know is this not a president that takes on much advice when it comes to decisions he's making. we've seen that on the supreme court choice, brett ckavanaugh. he was told that kavanaugh's paper trail could come back to haunt limit. and the same on russia. the same day that ivanka made her comment on separation and the president. five members of the national security team were at the white house podium trying to take a
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tough stance against russia interference. and later that evening, the president was on the campaign trail in pennsylvania denouncing the russian hoax, in his words. so, when you look at the whole scope of his actions as president. you're not really seeing -- if anything, it's sort of playing reverse psychology strategy would be more effective if someone were trying to push him in a certain direction. i think when you're looking at the role of ivanka trump, that same dynamic is really playing out. >> what exactly is her role at the white house? >> she's a senior adviser to the president. she's there in the west wing. and i think that that is really -- that gets to the heart of this tricky situation for her. she is on the one hand, trying to establish herself as someone who is independent of the administration. she's very high-profile in her own right. she has her own fashion brand which as we know, she announced that will be shutting down as of last month. and this whole episode really underscores the difficulty of
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the dual role for her, being someone who is very much of the administration. and yet, trying to cast herself as someone who is apart from it and -- >> as you say, you say she's trying to preserve her reputation, independent of the administration that her father lead that is consistently in controversy. i'm curious what her position before she took the white house job. >> before the white house job? i think she's trying to craft the image of herself as a working mother. someone who has a successful fashion brand. and who is out there fighting for her -- in her current role, she's tried to make parental and family leave a centerpiece of what she's accomplishing in this white house. it's clear she's opened herself to being hit on both sides. on one end, the democrats arguing that these comments are too little too late, and on the republican side, republicans say
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she runs the risk of undermining the president and his message coming out. >> are there some tangible about accomplishments in her role as senior adviser? can we point to anything she has done? >> she's been a very openly, visible representative of the administration, certainly, in her foreign appearances, at the south korean olympics. he's been out there as someone seen as a celebrity in her own right. in the last few days she made the remarks on thursday she has tried to steer the issue back to the issue of paid family leave. and there is a measure that senator marco rubio has been pushing for on that front. so, i think that's probably the line that we're going to continue to see her taking as things go forward. but it's clear, when you've got the comments that she made on thursday, making the rounds on the evening talk shows, that
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top u.s. national security officials are worrying about ongoing threats about the midterm elections. the five agency leaders together
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in a white house news preference in an unprecedented show of force. >> this threat is not going away. as i have said consistently, russia attempted to interfere with the last election and continues to engage in maligned influenced operations to this day. this is a threat we need to take extremely seriously. and to tackle and respond to with fierce determination and focus. >> joining me right now in the studio, congressman jeremy kneads. congressman, i'm curious your take on this pretty strong show of force. do you think this is a public relations campaign, they're trying to get this message out? >> well, first of all, what you say is correct, it's been a show. and i hope that they're doing what they say they're doing and i think they're pretty serious. the problem that comes in is the president of the united states.
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when i talk to some of our friends and allies, you know, they're tired of hearing certain things that may be said by some of his administration. but then the president comes and contradicts exactly what they say. so everyone else has learned to listen, not to them, but to the president. in that same press conference, mr. coats indicated he still to this day can't tell you. >> that's right. >> what the conversation was with putin and what was promised and what was not. so, all of that is just talk and could be averted by the president in his actions in whatever agreement he may or may not have made with putin. >> so, how far do you think they've pushed the president on this? >> well, i think that not far enough. or i think it's going to get to the point at some point that they're really going to have to come out and talk to the american people. at least to congress, or someone, about what has taken place. i think that it's clear to everyone that russia is still
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trying to get involved and meddle in the elections this coming november. everybody except for the president of the united states. i've seen that this president has resisted even with congress. the sanctions that congress has put on russia. the president has done everything to resist doing that. and has minimized the enforcement of that. so, it is -- the problem lies with the top. >> yes. >> the president of the united states. >> specifically, though, relative to election security, sir, with 94 days to go to the midterms, is it too late to try to avoid potential catastrophe? >> well, i think what i would hope would happen is that every american knows to go out to vote and to not allow the russians and what they're trying to portray or listen to the president -- >> influence the campaign. >> that's right. not allow that to affect who they vote for this coming election. let's get out there in record numbers and vote.
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because it's tremendously important you that cast that vote. and don't let the campaign to infiltrate and change people's minds affect how you vote come this november. >> you have the five intelligence security leaders out there talking. and then you have the president speaking after that happened, about the mueller collusion investigation. let's take a listen to what he had to say about this. >> now, we're being hindered by the russian hoax. it's a hoax, okay? i'll tell you what. russia's very unhappy that trump won, that, i can tell you. >> president putin, did you want president trump to win the election? and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that? >> yes, i did. yes, i did. >> what's the reality here. what should americans believe? >> what they heard. believe what you heard. there's no question that mr. putin wanted donald trump to become the president of the united states.
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there's no question you heard donald trump say, during the campaign, russia, if you do anything to listen or get whether e-mails, et cetera, do it. there's no question that there was a meeting that took place in trump tower between trump junior and his brother-in-law, and it seems clear that the president probably knew of it beforehand. so, there's no question that those things have taken place. and that the new investigation is now taking place, looking at all of those things, to determine the fact -- to determine the degree of what the president and his campaign was involved with russia. >> and when the president tweets that he wants jeff sessions to immediately stop to curtail this mueller investigation, does that only add to the chorus and cries about obstruction of justice? >> absolutely. and it as shows that he's starting to panic because someone is getting close to him. so, you know, if in fact an obstruction of justice means if
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you're trying to block and/or stop someone from going forward, and from testifying and telling the truth, so it could very well be his son who testified under oath in the intelligence committees, he said he'd never said anything to his father, that turns out not to be the case, that's obstruction of justice. and that is something that could possibly put him in jail. that's a felony in and of itself. and that could then have another direct link to the president. so, i think that, you know, i tell everyone, let the new investigation go to its fuelest extent, until he finalizes it. and clearly, the president doesn't want that to happen. >> okay. back to the midterms i mentioned 94 days away and there are reports that democrats are soft favorites to retake the house. according to politico, the report goes like this, a democratic takeover to lead to the first black house speaker in
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history. howl realistic is that prospect, i think you have to get through nancy pelosi first. >> first, there's one single focus, getting the house back. talk about that is premature. we've seen with the election of the president, that you can't count your chickens before they hatch. th we must continue to be in a consolidated effort to win the house back to keep in check some of the policies that the president is trying to put forward. my focus is not on leadership. my focus is on winning the house back and the senate back. >> no cart before the horse for you? >> that's right. >> gregory meeks, thank you very much. coming up next, the president's media and where it might be headed and then in the next hour, the political barometer and political fortune-telling. u flake free. manolo? u flake free. look at my soft hair. i should be in the shot now too.
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>> repeatedly the media resorts to personal attacks. >> i had a very nice life. i didn't need to be -- i used to get actually good press. >> media continues to ratchet up the verbal assault against the president. >> certainly, we're seeing my fair share of reporting. >> on behalf of the president, he's made his comments clear. >> they can make anything bad because they are the fake, fake disgusting news. >> let's bring in republican strategy joe watkins former aide to george h.w. bush. and peter emerson, he's worked in three democratic
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administrations. let's go to you first, joe, how do you make sense of this? do you know with certainty where donald trump and sarah sanders stands on this issue? president trump. >> i worked for an american president, staffers are important but what they think is secondary, far secondary to what the president of the united states thinks and says. ivanka trump is right, the press is not the enemy of the american people. sarah sanders was less inclined to do that because she has been hurt by the correspondent's dinner. putting personal feelings aside and stating what's true, it is tough for them. they have to defend their boss that says the press is the enemy of the people, the media is the enemy of the people. having worked for george h.w. bush was the best for america and the media is not the enemy of the people. >> is sarah sanders obliged to
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avoid contradicting the president on this? >> every great press secretary that i've worked with or that i've known in democratic and republican administrations has permission from the president himself to often disagree but more importantly more often to make fun, to use humor to diffuse. what we're seeing today is a concentrated effort to create physical fear among journalists that they fear for their safety, to destroy credibility, even though ironically the people that disseminate fake news is fox news, national inquire remember, am radio, and worst of all to rip apart the very fabric of trust amongst americans and our institutions, that is a play book directly out of the path to fascism. >> peter, what does it say about these times when sarah sanders points out that she's the first
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white house press secretary that has to have secret service protection? >> i don't know if that's true or not but what about the journalists who get escorted in and out of rallies for their own personal safety by the secret service or private security because donald trump is calling for basically killing them or assaulting them. and that's happening over and over again in america. he has blood on his hands. >> it was deplorable what we witnessed thursday in pennsylvania and i remember thinking thank heavens for that pen separating all of those people attending the trump rally from the journalists there for the journalists' safety sake. joe, you have the president who tweets about ivanka's comments saying it is the fake news which is a large percentage of the media that is the enemy of the people. what's the message he is sending there? >> of course he's trying to cast
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d dispersions on folks that disagree with him. it is good when presidents have criticism. it is good for the country and the american people and good for the presidency to hear what people are saying, to hear the effect of what you're doing. for the press to just laud you all the time, praise you all the time would be unfair, untrue, and ineffective for the american people. a free press is a good thing for the american people, and the presiden presidency shouldn't see itself hindered by bad press. every president feels they're treated unfair by the press. but the press has a job to do, and that's to tell it as they see it, and it is up to the american people to makeup their minds when they read what the press says. >> peter quoted "new york times" bret stevens calling the spar with the media, saying trump will have blood on his hands, do you think that is fair or is that too far and is that
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unrealistic? joe, to you. >> yeah. it's true. i think what he's saying is very honest because the president can call off the dogs. his supporters are very, very strongly for him and will do almost what he says, and there will always be people on the fringe that take matters into their own hands and take it a step further. we saw it during the 2016 campaign for president. you saw some supporters lash out and hit people in the audience that were not supporting trump for president at the time. so the president has i think the opportunity to set the record straight and to call the dogs off so to speak and to better understand that media folks are doing their job. let them do their job. >> but peter, demonizing the media, does that work for the president? >> it works to an extent but i want to reinforce what mr. watkins said. i have been a press secretary,
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deputy press secretary in campaigns in the united states for president as well as campaigns overseas. there's a natural tension, almost a simmering war between journalists and politicians but what's very important to know is that the media often plays an extraordinary role in pointing out mistakes or bumps in the road ahead that can be very valuable to the administration, so it is very important to have a good working relationship. >> guys, very quickly, i want to go to ivanka's comments on boarder family acceseparations drawing reactions, including lawrence o'donnell that she's against family separation. here is that. >> she didn't feel it vehemently enough to go down there and see how the girls were being treated, to make sure the boys and the girls were safe from abuse. she did not feel vehemently enough about it to sit in a federal courtroom in texas and watch an immigration judge treat spanish speaking three-year-olds with no lawyers as adults and
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bring her eyewitness experience of that legal atrocity back to her father to get him to stop his unspeakable cruelty to those children. ivanka trump was not so vehemently opposed to children being ripped out of the arms of their mothers that she actually did anything about it. >> was that fair? last word to you, joe. >> it is fair. that's what happens when you're a member of the president's staff, senior member of the president's staff that you carry that responsibility. i would never have advised ivanka to join her father's staff as a white house staffer. lawrence o'donnell is right, when you're a staffer, you carry that responsibility. >> always good to talk to you both. ahead next hour, what could be a polar bear's lament about america's missed opportunity. (vo) why do subaru forester owners always seem so happy? because they've chosen the industry leader. subaru forester holds its value better than any other vehicle in its class according to alg.
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we're at the top of the hour, i'm out of time, i'm out of here. let's go to david gura. i am msnbc in new york. president trump is headed to ohio to help republicans protect a seat up for dprabs tuesdgrabs. a seat that hasn't gone blue since ronald reagan's first t e term. is he ready to talk? we may be days away from finding out if president trump will sit down for an interview with special counsel robert mueller's team. and paper trail. the potential damning evidence and testi

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