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and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports" in somerville, new jersey. we have been broadcasting here all week. thanks to all the folks here. chris jansing is next. as i hand the baton to you my frien fre friend, it is a busy friday. >> good afternoon, i am chris jansing, so much to talk about as we approach the one year anniversary of the rally that resulted a death of a woman. racism in america. also, moments ago the white house responded to that new memoir from reality tv star and former white house's official aid, omarosa. n president trump frequently used
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the "n" word when he hosted "the apprentice." >> the midterms should be a referendum on what it means to be an american. the president's tweet this morning. "the nfl players are at ate agai it again- taking a knee when they should be standing proudly for our national anthem." that's exactly what the philadelphia eagles malcolm jenkins and other players did prior to last night pre-season game. defiant. before he raise the fist, you can see jenkins in this tweet. defining is outrage. quote, "more than 60% of prison population are people of color."
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>> there you go. trump talked about the nfl is one thread of this conversation. who is allowed to live in the united states? as a federal judge threatens the whole attorney general jeff sessions, the top law enforcement officer in this country in contentive court. the reason? a mother and daughter put on a plane and sent out of the country before their day in court. even as the president's in-laws were in another courthouse became u.s. citizens under a program that their son-in-law won't stop. the republican candidate from virginia had to delete a tweet which she called a muslim candidate an isis commie. and then there is laura ingram who says this in commentary on wednesday, quote ", nothing to do with race or ethnicity," we'll let you be the judge.
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>> in some parts of the country it does team like the america that we know and love does not exist anymore. massive demographic changes have been voiced upon the american people. there are changes that none of us ever voted for and most of us don't like. much of this is related to both illegal and in some cases legal immigration that of course, progressives love. >> but, it is trump's own words about who the best people in america are. that's up for debate for this election. two views on the peshl impacote impact. white nationalists arguing the racist views part of the fabric of con sservativism. so we got a lot to talk about at this hour. let's start with our professor
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at georgetown university and phillip rucker. michael, the white house commented stressing issues that po polarizing the electric and drive trump's base. what do you see when you look at all these things have happened the last 24 hours or so. >> there is no question about that. the great lebron james said as much in a recent interview. he's fostering an environment that's -- here is a president most unusually engaging and using his bully pulpit to bully people and harass them and extend racial harassment to epic proportions and assert that america is divided and concerned of white americans and or giigi
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and groups. who have invested in him have not seen return in investments and there have been whipping boys and so-called bigotry in this country when the average income of those who voted for donald trump were $70,000. what we are seeing here is the k national organism being stope again by the president. we sees the bigotry that's playing center place and center stage in the drama and -- >> to your point, the rate of inflation is beyond what the rise in wage is. people are actually losing overall under this economy. >> absolutely. >> kevin, let me read to you the president's second nfl tweet today. "be happy, be cool, a football game that fans are paying so
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much money to watch and enjoy is no place to protest. most of that money goes to the players anyway. find another way to protest, stand proudly for your national anthem or be suspended without pay." what do players think of the president of the united states when he says find another way to protest. >> the first thing i would say is that i think it has been well established that this president is -- even if he were to read the daily press report of this particular issue, he may reach the same conclusion only because those of us in the media have covered this entreprenepisodica. last night reports of what happened before the football game the count of how many players sat on the bench of did not come out of the locker room all together when in fact what we should be counting that there are 626 people who have been
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shot and killed by police in this country this year which is eight more than at a same time last year which "the washington post," i get to write have been keeping tally for several years now. 109 of those have been black men who have been unarmed. that's disproportionate given our population in this country and it is 2.5 kpiemtimes greate us than it is for a white male in this country. that is what the players are protesting and those of us in the media once again we have couched this as an an ththem protest and in fact it is against police brutality. that's what the players are disturbed about and the fact that they can't get their message out. it becomes an issue of the way we and the media characterize this narrative. >> phillip, let's talk about
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this and whether it is the nfl or whether it is these charges by omarosa or the immigration fight. if you are a republican in a tight race, what do you make of all of this and can you avoid these very -- not just very tough questions and actually let me take that back. these should not be tough questions, how do you handle these and can you avoid answering for what is i think a critical moment in american history about who we are as a country? >> yes. and our values as a country and what presidential leadership is because this president have said nothing. >> you know he's led in the other direction, right? >> exactly. she's stoking some of these divisions. there is a lot of endangered house republicans incumbents in
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suburban districts. those candidates do not want the election to be about cultural issues or the nfl protest. they don't want the election to be about taking children away from their parents at the border. president trump sees those issues as a way to motivate his base and voters. he thinks it works for him for 2016 when he won the presidency against all odds and he thinks it is going to work for him this november and maintaining the house and senate. the congressional leaders they want this election to be about the economy and tax cuts and sort of kitchen table issues that that matters to these voters. >> beyond 2016, last year the president at least seemed to have seen something with his response to what happened in charlottesville that have informed the way he behaved since then. al year ago tomorrow was sunday i guess, the unite right rally
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show america and racism and bigotry and violence. a woman lost her life and this was donald trump's response in the days afterwards. >> we are closely following the terrible events unfolding in charlottesville, virginia. we condemn in the strongest possible terms, this display of hatred and bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. >> i think there is blame on both sides and i have no doubt about it. >> he chose not to denounce the n neo-nazis or white nationalists, did he pay a price? is the lesson for him he can say those things and not pay a price? >> well, chris, these are the issues i take of my new book of what truth sounds like. i addressed the fact that donald trump drawn tremendous support
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in regards to either complicity through silence or out hand embrace by him by these right wings so called alt-right groups. the mainstreaming of richard spencing and other people slicked back haircuts and nice crisp suits that articulate a nas nas nasty ideology that's as old and bigotry itself. people lambasted him of bigotry. those who oppose racism are no better than those racist themselves. he has not suffered the consequences for that. paul ryan and mitch mcconnell, they stood by and allowed trump
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to go full blast of this and not saying any words. the republicans in this country is reprehenceable. >> and you have omarosa turned political aid, a white house official. this is what she writes in her new memoir. we gotten a copy here. "three sources in three separate conversations had described the contents of this tape, they all told me president trump had not just dropped a single "n" word bomb, he said it multiple times throughout the show's taping particularly during the first season of "the apprentice." moments ago we got words from sarah sanders, this book is riddled with lies and false
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accusations." how worried are the white house about this? they are wor >> they're worried about the book after all. they'll see omarosa will be recounting at her time at the white house and about being fired from the fire house. there could be more to come. it is a concern of the white house if this narrative takes hold and as she portrays president trump being racist and being unfit for the job of president. remember a year ago when michael wolf's book fi"fire and fury" ce out, that was a troubling period for the white house, they spent as few weeks to speak back the narrative and i don't think they did successfully. they would be in the same situation of omarosa's book. they have been trying to keep
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the president from tweeting about it. >> i got to ask you phil, what do you think the chances are the president after some point after she goes on "meet the press" on sunday and "today" show that he will not stop tweeting about it. phil ruck >> chances are i don't think he'll be able to refuse himself. >> phil rucker and michael. thank you. >> thank you on msnbc will share a story a man dedicating his life to helping others, watch "breaking hate" at 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. we'll continue this conversation throughout the hour including a humanitarian crisis. a federal judge made a plan to turn around and stop deportation and sharply criticized president trump's ill congratulatimmigrat. >> major developments in the trump's campaign trial. we are watching an unusual
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what they called an unusual recess. we don't know what it is about. with me now is julia ainsley and former u.s. attorney guy lewis to handle both of it for us. julia, let's start with this unusual recess, what's going on and what do we know? >> we are in about 2.5 hours recess. a few times both parties did approach the bench and talked to the judge. he called about an hour recess and came back and asked the jury a few questions and went on a 2.5 hours recess. the question he asked the jury are important though. he asked over and over again, are you sure you are following my instructions not to talk to each other or anyone else about this case. they said yes. he continued to repeat that advice. a few people start to speculate, could there be a juror that's
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tampered with and did not follow instructions. with this, you should be able to have a long lunch, it is not something he would do if he's going to individually question these jurors. i saw manafort's legal team across the street and they just smiled and of course, they could not comment. if reheaded to a mistri-- we ar to a mistrial, everyone would gather. everyone seems to be qualm. something unexpected came up in another case on this judge's do docket. he did say i have other cases besides yours. it could be something important that judge alex is handling. if they move to a witness when we reconvene, that's it. it seems like we are moving
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ahead as normal. if there is something else we'll be running out of the court and telling you immediately. >> i have no doubt about that. it is interesting those statements were made are you sure you are following my instructions and obviously there is some level of concerns about whether or not they are not. what do you make of this recess, do you think it is likely something just as simple given the demeanor of the legal team, nothing more than he had done? >> this is a judge who said over and over hurry up, let's go and let's go. and so to tape an extended recess is very unusual and then to repeat the instruction os of the jury. are you talking to yourself?
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o i think somebody reported whether the court's circuit court officers that one of the jurors have had some conversations or said something that lead them to say hey, i got to report this to the judge. >> oh boy, while we wait again. they're supposed to come back about 25 minutes from now, anna. i want to ask you about the manhattan adam, testifying right now. she's a close ally. she was handling his scheduling and he would deck tate e-mails to her and she was the gate keeper to roger stone. what she tells me that she was not doing this in those key perio periods leading up to the election. prosecutors think she got something extremely interesting
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to say. she met with prosecutors and rushed to a full week later before speaking to the grand jury. they want to lock her in and get her testimonies on the record. things are moving quickly of this grand jury. >> what do you make of that and what do you think may be happening here? >> just when you thought this case could not get any stranger or bizarre. >> and the manhattan madame. >> and i agree with the analysis, listen, they ju just - the mueller team just eninte interviewed her last week voluntarily and came in on her own. they're putting her in the grand jury this week. she says something and she provided some information that they do want to lock in under oath in the grand jury, they're moving very, very fast which in my view is unusual for this kind of case. i believe it is something certainly important in what is a
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russia collusion probe. >> all right, guy, anna, and thank you to both of you. julie ainsley keep us posted on the manafort's recess. we are waiting to hear. we'll talk about the immigration crisis, a judge ordered a plane carrying a deported mother and daughter to salvador to turn around. immigration actions did not stop there. he threatened to hold jeff sessions in contentive sessions in contentive court.oh sessions in contentive court.he sessions in contentive court.he sessions in contentive courtivp. what's the #1 new skincare product in 2018? olay whips. absorbs faster than the $100, $200, and even $400 cream. feels amazing. i really really love this. i will 100% swap up my moisturizer. can i have it? olay whips.
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a whole new fire storm today of the chaos that followed the president's zero tolerance immigration issue. a judge ordered a mother and daughter returned to the u.s. who have put on a plane out of the country. the judge threatened jeff sessions with contemptive court if they do not comply.
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let's bring our msnbc jacob soboroff, he's been following migrant families for months now. >> and our radio talk show, is with us as well. >> jacob, what can you tell us the mom and the daughter that's deported and landed in el salvador in the middle of this proceeding. >> it was unbelievable to follow le th this in realtime. i talked to the attorney in this case as the mother and the child were en route from texas to el salvador landed and stayed on the airplane, a government chartered airplane that's used by i.c.e. to deport people and flew back. i want to tell you about carmen and her daughter. despite the asylum claim of fleeing two decades of sexual abuse by her husband who
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routinely raped her. those are the vast majority of people that are coming to this country to seek asylums. he does not want to come and pass a credible fear interview if they are able to stay here. >> joshua, we have a federal judge threaten the attorney general, the highest foreign officer in this country for contempt over the administration. how did we get here? is this by design or bad planning. >> remember a large part of donald trump's campaign had to do with some of the earlier policies of his administration and had to do with immigration. it is one of the big legal frontiers that his administration have been trying to advance on behalf of supporters. that was the whole travel ban case is about. that's partly of what this case
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is about. whether or not the department of justice can be compelled to present a plan that's able and finally resolve the matter of these families. one of the recent conflicts in court that the aclu should take the role. the judge was not digging that. no, you created this, you need to fix this. it is by design in a sense. the question is whether or not the design was simply to separate the family and the government ever contemplated. >> tlas plhere is a plan now. >> they said this was supposed to be deterrent. they were not shy, they said they hope this would keep people coming from the country and now we have a situation, jacob of more than 2500 children were separated and 559 of them are not with their parents, 365 parents with children are
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deported and out of the country. what are the chances that these 559 kids ever get back with their moms or dads? >> well, the most challenging scenario here are the 365 that we know already deported. the government said yesterday they have no idea where 26 of them are. no contact information. today somehow what number is down to five. let's just put in perspective here. there was no plan and there would not have been a plan had the judge had not ordered to be a plan for the government to reunite the remaining, what it originally would have called ineligible children and parents. the vast majority of those folks were and are, i guess ineligible because they have been kicked out of the country before the unification were able to happen. you got four different cabinet level agencies, department of homeland security and department of justice and as well as the state department who are involved trying to get these folks all back together.
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we should hear later today in a court hearing exactly how they plan to do that. two months after we got inside the facility there in brownsville, i am not going to hold my breath that this is going to happen in a rapid scale. >> or logical or non-chaotic. >> one immigration issue, joshua that has been on the mind of the president and he's been tough on it is what he calls, chain migration, it is family based migration. let me just remind people what he has said about that. >> chain migration is one of the disasters. >> chain migration is a disaster. a disaster. a total disaster, we have to end chain migration. we have to end it. >> so we bring this up of course, joshua because yesterday the parents of first lady melania trump became citizen of this country. they came through the system
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known as family you know occasiunification, that's the same system that the president wants to end. >> first of all, congratulations to be the united states citizen. . it is a matter where he's quite the beneficiary. in the scheme of things the chain migration thing is more of a political talking point as you play the tapes at rallies. >> as if there is no hypocrisy and having your in-laws goi going -- by the way, normally this is done on a friday, they went in privately on a thursday and got here citizenship and legally and we congratulated them and welcome to this country. i think they're 72 years old or 74 years old. seems like nice people. while he's saying no, that's not the way it should be and i wonder jacob because you're talking to these folks all the
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time, what is the reaction been on the ground for people who are fighting this battle every single day to see this incredible disconnect? >>. >> it is just a series of continual disconnect. the president says one thing and does another regards to family unifications as they referred to it. same thing of what's happening down the border, the president has the perception and talking point of what he says down on the border, it is a constant war zone and drugs are pouring in. we know none of that is the case at least in the way that he represents it. and, you know again it is just time after time the perception of the president, the statements from the president verses the reality of what life is like down on the border or with the immigration system are not in line. that's just -- simple as it is. >> jacob soboroff, i know you will keep us posted on the mom her daughter. >> joshua johnson, thank you so much for being on the program.
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>> thanks chris. we are watching the courthouse in alexandria where manafort's trial is in that unusual recess. we'll keep you posted on what we learn why this recess happened. >> and democrats are not backing nancy pelosi. >> the best way to show your opposition for the president, vote for a democrat, we got the debate. just calling or going online to (harmonica interrupts) (sighs and chuckles) sorry, are you gonna... (harmonica interrupts) everytime. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance.
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. right now we are keeping a close house in alexandria, of the trial of paul manafort's. this is an unusual recess according to legal officials. we got a note from our producer if the court. he says at the beginning of the recess, the judges' clerk came in and grabbed a jury board, it is a big board that the court uses to call the roll. no word of what the recess is about. this recess should be over in about five minutes and we are reminding folks that the report we got julia ainsley, he was reminding jurors if they are following instructions which means they don't talk outside
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the case. meantime, nancy pelosi, is facing a civil war of her own. more than 50 democrat candidates who now say they would pose pelosi as house speaker. here they are. let's take a look. 51 candidates, nine or incumbents already in the house and running for election. the other 42 are newcomers. nominees who have not yet served in the house. it is happening of an already ominous speaker. she's the favorite punching bag for republicans running for congress. take a look. >> for vote for paul davis is a vote for nancy pelosi. >> after lying the whole campaign, dishonest, ocon scribner admits he voted for pelosi. >> thank you, nancy pelosi and connor lamb are still opposing your tax cuts.
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lamb called it a complete portrayal. >> pelosi says this is arm armageden. >> joining me now, our former director of the new york state, baas si basil. all those that race is too close to call. there was this reason nbc and wall street journal poll, nearly half of us are less likely to support a congressional candidate who backs pelosi for house speaker. is this a real problem? >> it is definitely a problem if you are running and you saw what happened to joe crowley and you are like all of what we thought was happening could happen, the paradigm have shifted now. if i am nancy pelosi, i would say you can run against me if
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you want, i am the punching back, i am used to it. what happens is how you get there. if there is no credible contender to her and all of this sort of kind of watch away and it happened in the past and she has -- political retribution on people who challenged her. >> if i am her, if you need to run against me to win, go ahead and do it. >> shermichael, if this is what you need to win, go ahead, run against me. you will need 218 votes. 50 is not 218. having said that, is this an effective strategy on the republica republican side? >> no. absolutely. any time nancy's pelosi pelosi'
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mentioned, it worked. a lot of people believe that nancy pelosi is some what detached from many of their values and a lot of republicans go back to the affordable care act and if we pass a bill, we'll fine out what's in it. >> let me ask you this, does it matter what the person they are running against thinks of new eastern span nancy pelosi? does that stop you from running against her? >> well, no, i personally don't think so, i think on the democratic side, they have to do what conner lamb did in pennsylvania. they have to run races that are targeted of their congressional district. as we saw with cortez, that message does no t resonate with a lot of portions of america. >> pelosi, she's well-liked. people think she's a good organizer and she's been in the
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leadership since 2007 and broken a lot of barriers. she raised nearly $660 million for democrats since 2002 when you can make the argument who's there to replace her, right? >> right. >> so maybe is the concern about, you got a big step first, are the democrats going to win the house? if they do, is a threat to nancy pelosi is over stated? >> i think it is. if we win the house, i think she will be fine. if we don't win then i would think she's in trouble there. a lot of it depends on who's contending for r tthe seat. if joe crowley was there or king jeffery, i don't know if he's running against really talente folks coming through. >> do you know that? >> i don't know that. there are talented people waiting in the wings. if we lose this house, she's in real jeopardy.
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basil, it is good to see you. >> shermichael, thank you. >> we don't know what it is and we know some actions have taken place in the last couple of hours or so of the manafort's trial. we are trying to figure out is this something significant of this trial, we'll have it for you. still to come, the only way for republicans to save the gop is to defeat the gop. what that may mean for the midterms in november. believe that♪ ♪something's got a hold on me, yeah♪ ♪oh, it must be love ♪oh, something's got a hold on me right now, child♪ ♪oh, it must be love ♪let me tell you now, oh it must be love♪
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so this is the courthouse, and i don't know about you, but if you have been watching, i am dying to see what the judge has been doing over the course of this long and unusual recess at the trial of paul manafort. of course, the president's former campaign manager. we simply do not know. but this lengthy recess is not something we see every day. this is a judge who has been very, very tough on keeping this moving. what is going on? we hope to get somebody to come out. courthouse and tell us shortly. remember the restrictions don't allow us to have cell phones in there. there is no way to communicate
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except to leave the courtroom. that's what they'll do when we figure out what caused this delay. meantime, never trumpers fighting to take back the republican party for president trump may be facing a hard reality this november. former george w. bush speech writer put it bluntly this "the washington post." the only way to save the gop is to defeat it. the strategy? republicans should vote for democrats in the house, but remain loyal to republicans in their senate races. he writes, house democrats, quote, will be a check on the president without becoming a threat to his best policies. the tax cut will stand. the senate will still approve conservative judges. but the house will conduct real oversight hearings and expose both russian influence and administration corruption. back with me, sher michael singleton and basel schmeichel. the struggle is? >> it's real, it's real. >> would you advocate voting for a democrat?
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>> absolutely, i agree with everything that was written in that column. >> really? >> yes. i'll tell you why. there is a reason there is a separation of brar separation of branches. we do not have a king in the white house, although donald trump would like to see himself as one. >> some leaders of certain committees in the house believe there is a king? >> again, that is a problematic. there is a naacp poll released i believe this past tuesday that indicated, and they looked at 61 competitive districts that indicated an overwhelming majority of african-americans, hispanics and asia americans belief the president is inciting race relations. you thought ohio 12 was competitive. imagine the direction of many of those districts. it's not going to look good for republicans. so i agree. it's worth risk losing the house, i would say, and maintaining the senate so that there can be that check on the white house, which is what the founding fathers intended. >> yes, they did intend that. there is no doubt about it.
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let me make the counterargument, because basel is nodding. the counterargument is this. i think especially for two men of color who are still fighting, right, fighting every single day for the right for people of color to be able to go to the polls freely and the way that also the founding fathers intended are suggesting that you don't vote necessarily for the person that you think is the best person on the ballot. if you are not in one of those districts where you have one of those republicans who is doing everything the president wants him to do, is not doing their constitutionally mandated job, but it's somebody who is a legit man or woman who is doing a good job, who you like, and/or you really don't like the democrat, are you really suggesting, would you suggest the reverse that they not vote for that person? >> you know, from a democratic standpoint, no, i would suggest they vote for a democrat because it is, to me, my party is a party of social and economic
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justice. i would say, yes, for all the things that communities of color care about is the democratic party that has the answer. i would say it with this caveat. i think if the democrats are going to be more successful than we think we can be in this midterm election, we actually don't necessarily need to just drill down to our base, that we can actually win independents, win over republicans who are dissatisfied with their president. and ohio 12. the votes are going to be really, really important. the suburbs are becoming more diverse with this political osmosis. they care about taxation, governens. they care about the social justice issues in ways perhaps they didn't a generation ago. there is a lot more opportunity, i think, for democrats to expand their vote where for the republicans perhaps not. >> are we maybe even just talking about this because,
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frankly, the blue wave is real, the republicans are not going to hold the house, and even if some republicans decide to do what michael gerson suggests, it's not going to change the equation anyway? >> history is clearly on the side of democrats. i want to state this as a republican. the demographic changes in our country are very, very real, and they are not on the side of my party for a very, very long time. the republican party has struggled to target and mobilize african-americans and hispanics. after mitt romney and reince priebus, we did the growth in opportunity project where we promised to spend millions of dollars targeting the same groups donald trump is marginalizing with his retic. i'm looking at 2020 and beyond. it does not look good for republicans in a more browning america. >> thank you, guys. have a great weekend. appreciate it. we'll be right back. waiting for that update from the manafort trial recess.
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the court was expected to reconvene just a few minutes ago. right now we are waiting to see what's going to happen. as soon as we find out we will go to that trial. we begin in washington, d.c. where today we're asking how a repeated felon and former head of a prostitution ring connects to robert mueller's investigation. this afternoon the special counsel has called the grand jury to hear from a new witness, kristin davis, best known as the manhattan madam. she gained notarity in the early 2000s for running an escort service for high-profile clients. in 2008 she was charged with financial crimes and promoting prostitution. she spent four months on rikers island. today davis is back in the spotlight for reasons that aren't entirely clear. at least not yet. here's what we know. davis is a friend to roger stone and one of his employees as well. she told


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