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that's our show today, thanks for watching, "a.m. joy" will be back next saturday, 10:00 a.m. eastern. up next, richard richard lui. >> i'm richard lui in for alex witt. here's what's happening. omarosa unplugged on "meet the press" on what it was like in the trump white house and if she thinks the president is racist. >> i was complicit with the white house deceiving this nation. i was the only african-american at the table. i got banged up a lot. a new audio recording omarosa says is of white house chief of staff john kelly threatening her. plus, the protests about to get under way in washington after several demonstrations in charlottesville.
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what's being done to keep things from getting out of hand. we'll start with new reaction from omarosa manigault-n manigault-newman about explosive claims she's making about president trump including allegations that a tape exists where the president uses the "n" word. here's what she told chuck todd in an interview on "meet the press" earlier. >> after i closed the book i had an opportunity to go out to los angeles and sit down with the person who has a copy of the table and i heard his voice. >> you have heard the tape? >> i have heard the tape. >> since publication of this book? >> absolutely. >> so you know it exists? >> when he talks that way, it confirmed he is truly a racist. >> omarosa also defending the timing of her new book. >> what i know now i didn't have the bennet in 2003 or 2004 or
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2010 and so, yes, it's hindsight but i will say this to you -- i was complicit with this white house deceiving this nation. they continue to deceive this nation by how mentally declined he is, how difficult it is for him to process complex information, how he is not engaged in the most important decisions that impacts our country. i was complicit and for that i regret. also new today, exclusive to "meet the press," an audio recording with omarosa's meeting with chief of staff john kelly on her last day in the white house. here it. >> i think it's important to understand that if we make this a friendly departure we can all be -- you know, you can look at your time here in the white house as a year of service to the nation and then you can go on without any type of difficulty in the future relative to your reputation. >> can i ask you a couple questions? is the president aware of this?
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>> let's not go down the road. this is a non-negotiable discussions. >> i don't want to negotiate i've just never had a chance to talk to you so if this is a departure i'd like to have an opportunity to understand -- >> we can talk another time. this has to do with some pretty serious integrity violations. i'll let it go at that. the staff and everyone on the staff works for me, not the president. >> omarosa defended making that regarding. in her interview with chuck. >> i protected myself because this is a white house where everybody lies. the president lies to the american people. sarah huckabee sanders stands in front of the country and lies everyday. you have to have your own back because otherwise you'll look back and see 17 fives in your back. >> do you feel disloyal? >> that's not disloyalty. if i have this reporting people would think i was trying to set off alarms so yes i had to protect myself and i have no
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regret about it. >> here to talk about all of this, nbc's skelly o'donnell covering the president in new jersey on the countering rallies in washington. maya rodriguez is in charlottesville for us but we're joined by democratic strategist zerlina maxwell and the hill's bob cusack. there's new reaction from the trump administration to omarosa's claim that the president used racial slurs before and during his presidency. what do we know about that? >> well, richard, there are certainly questions coming from those in the white house who worked alongside omarosa manigault newman when she was a staffer and those who watched her when she left the white house. big questions about things like was it proper for her to have a recording device to have the chief of staff in a sensitive area like the situation room where national security secrets are supposed to be protected and safe. now her conversation about a personnel matter didn't fall
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into that category but certainly she was in the situation of the situation room as she describes it with a recording device that was unknown to the chief of staff. she defends that as being a way to protect herself in the story she is telling through her book now. you have others like creak counselor to the president who said she had a good relationship with omarosa manigault newman while she served on the white house staff raising a number of questions reacting to this interview today. here are a collection of clips of how kellyanne conway is pushing back against the story being told by newman. >> i have never heard the president of the united states use a racial slur about anyone and i never heard omarosa complain she heard the presidency say it about anyone when she was there. she's contradicted her own accounts. >> why was she hired in the first place if the president thinks she's a low life? >> i think he believes it's a low blow to write a book riddled with lies and accusations and
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insinuations. i think he feels very betrayed and i feel disappointed because i had a good working relationship with omarosa. my husband very strongly said this is absurd all the way around, that the president would not use these words about him, my husband is half filipino. she's trying to set books and settle scores. you have to sell books. >> omarosa said she never heard the president use the "n" word but she does describe what kellyanne conway was reacting to there, a derogatory comment about her husband george who is part filipino. in addition, there are those sa saying she left the employ of the white house last december and the book is out nine months later asking the question when did this change of heart take place for her and why did she
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not signal to others in the white house her concerns then. that's the kind of pushback you've hearing from the whiteoo manigault newman is take in the the moment in which she is speaking today saying over time her perspectives changed based on her experiences. it's an interesting issue because of the credibility all around. manigault newman says there's a lot of lying in the white house and other people say manigault-newman's integrity is not intact either. richard? >> thank you, kelly. joining me, zerlina maxwell, msn msnbc -- also bob cusack, editor-in-chief for the hill. lots to talk about on a sunday noon eastern. i want to start with what we heard from omarosa at the top of the show. your overall reaction? >> i think this is a competition of which liar do you believe.
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do you believe omarosa who has credibility problems or the white house which has its own credibility problems and i land on the side of omarosa and here's why. she's known the president for 15 years and to me that means she knows him pretty well, probably better than most people who work in the white house so she has some credibility on the issue of who donald trump is and what he is like behind the scenes. additionally the idea that -- if her big allegation is the president is a racist in private, we already know that. we've seen his public behavior mirror that. so this is fun for us to discuss but i think that, you know, the bottom line isn't, the president is mirroring his private behavior and those are all things we already knew. >> so there are those who are questioning her credibility, right, zerlina? and omarosa saying she has some regrets about her role. when you were listening to her, do you buy her new take on the president. some might say why did she take
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so long to realize that he was a racist in her mind? >> almost a year ago today it was in new orleans for the national association of black journalist convention and omarosa was in attendance on a panel and it turned into a big mess and she was very defensive of her role in the white house and of the president. there were people questioning her role in the white house, what are you doing there. i think it's interesting to see that complete about face on her part to go from defending the president full throated defense of the president to saying he's a racist and we already knew that so i think i am empathetic to the fact that this white house is attacking her. i think it was smart to tape john kelly and i think it's interesting to hear him say that she was guilty of serious violations when he was the person on the record defending rob porter who had beaten not
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one but two of his wives and still had the support of john kelly. if they were going to attack omarosa, why did they let rob porter stay in the white house and john kelly defsding him in public after the allegations became public. >> and speaking of tapes, she does talk, bob, about the existence of tape recordings of the president using the "n" word oven if these tapes don't come out to be public. will it matter here, bob? >> richard, i think this is a problem for the white house. this is the first former top white house official to write a critical book about the president and the people around him and that is why the rnc and other white house officials are going after her. it's remarkable. just stepping back that omarosa tape, the white house chief of staff in that situation room. that is remarkable but she is media savvy. she has other tapes so that has
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to concern the white house and she will be attracting headlines the next couple weeks. >> bob, for those not familiar with the security protocols, how was she able to do this? how was she able to record a conversation with general kelly in the situation room? >> that's a good question and one that will be looked into because you're not supposed to bring in your personal phones into that room so how did she get in the there, what kind of recording device was it. these are questions and certainly i think that the fight between the white house and omarosa and her credibility is going to continue. >> and the security protocols, where are they? what are they currently and how are they being practiced? here's omarosa explaining why she stayed as long as she did at the white house despite a number of unfortunate events including what happened in charlottesville. take a look. >> i was working to try to find someone who could take my place. i was the only african-american at the table. if i left, which i did, when i left there has been no new appointment of an african-american assistant to
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the president which means that people are making decisions about us without us and as i work to try to find that replacement i realized that they could care less about having an african-american voice at the table and to this day there is no one serving in that administration in the role that i was in and that's a great void. >> zerlina? >> of course there are black people chomping at the bit to work in the trump administration because the president of the united states said that there were good people on both sides when one side had nazis and the ku klux klan. so black people aren't eager to apply to that position so it's disingenuous for her to say i was looking for someone to replace me in my important role as an advocate on behalf of the black community when this administration has done nothing except negative things in terms of impacting policies on the black community so i think that -- i rolled my eyes during that, you couldn't see me but i was rolling my eyes because it's rich coming from her today,
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particularly when she defended so vehemently this white house all up until it was profitable and she could come out with a book. >> bob, how is that being discussed in the white house, the representation of african-americans there? >> i think this is a problem that will put the white house on the defensive. creak struggling to come up with an african-american -- top african-american who works in the white house, mentioning ben carson who is in the cabinet, who does talk to trump on at least a weekly basis. sometimes daily. so i do think this is -- this is the issue that -- because there is is the one year anniversary of charlottesville it compounds it. so i think this is going to be the -- really a white house on the defensive of why there aren't more high-ranking african-americans working with the president. >> and so ben carson, are there any other minorities in the pipeline here, bob that are being discussed at this moment? >> well, another former white
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house official today did mention a couple others, i had never heard of these officials but they weren't at the high-ranking level of omarosa and getting paid $180,000. >> zerlina? >> i can't believe she was getting $180,000. we need to talk about that. ben carson, as you know, is one of the only african-american folks in the cabinet but donald trump uses him very conveniently. so post-charlottesville last summer ben carson all of a sudden was with president trump every single police that he went getting off the plain with him and so in some ways ben carson, yes, he's an african-american high up in the administration but he's also used as the token african-american to shield this administration from allegations of racism when it's convenient. on the one hand, a lot of african-americans are not chomp chomping at the bit to work in this administration but you don't want to be used as a
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token. >> since you did bring up charlottesville, the president tweeted about charlottesville condemning in his words all types of racism. then ivanka followed late we are a tweet as well saying while americans are blessed to live in a nation that protects liberty, freedom of speech and dwertsty of opinion there is there place for white supremacy and neo-naziism in our great country. bob, what do you make of this. is the president handling this properly? >> i think it shows they didn't handle it properly a year ago and they're still struggling. charlottesville will go down in the history books, white house officials, current and former, can't defend how the white house dealt with charlottesville in that aftermath. it was nasty, it was not handled well and i think the president is trying to with that tweet and ivanka trying to change the narrative but we just haven't seen the consistency from this
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white house, certainly we saw it this week end but will we see it in the weeks ahead. >> and zerlina, we are watching what's happening in washington, d.c. because of concerns about another flash point. it's hoped that does not happen. what do you make of the way ivanka expressed this issue? >> i think ivanka was trying to be more specific. i don't agree there's more than one kind of racism. all types of racism. well, racism is racism and we should try to avoid that president trump but i think ivanka was trying to be more nuanced but i don't buy it. she's working in an administration that is putting brown children into detention facilities, separating them from their parents, they haven't reunited arptd 500 kids with their parents even though the judge said you have to do this right now, ivanka is going to try to say nice things on twitter while the administration is doing terrible things
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impacting black and brown people in this country so i'll believe it when i see in the action not just a tweet. >> thank you so much zerlina maxwell. bob cusack. appreciate you both. >> thank you. >> defiance in d.c. we were just talking about that. activists are descending on the nation's capital to stand up to hate.
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. freedom frplaza in washingt, d.c. the unite the right rally is being held in d.c. instead of civil. a live look where counterprotesters are gathering but there's still plenty of action in charlottesville and that's where we go to nbc's cal perry who has been following the leadup as well as what's been happening. what's the scene like? >> so right now we're seeing what we've seep the last 24 hours. off small group of protesters, about 100 people, some of them are antifa protesters. that's the anti-fashion protesters and cher chanting slogans against what's coming coming up behind them. they're chanting things like "no borders, no wall, no usa at all." and anti-law enforcement slogans like "ak-47, put the cops in piggy heaven."
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that shows you the divide between how people feel and the way last year went and the way law enforcement handled the situation last year. these folks blame law enforcement for the violence. they think law enforcement didn't do anything. they stood by and allowed these neonazi protesters to take over the street. it's important to note that this group here is very abrasive towards the media. they have decided that the media is partly responsible for the rise of the right in this country so there were these scuffles last night, including scuffles with police officers on ground. it's important to note the charlottesville police handled the situation last night excellently, the same way they are tonight. they're laying back, not engaging with protesters. they don't want violence. they've denied those permits to protest so they're giving folks quite a bit of room but richard, very sort of continuation of what we've seen on the ground
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which is a tense situation that just doesn't seem to be letting up. everybody in charlottesville and in virginia with the state of emergency clearly sending a message that this city is closed but we still see these protests, we've seen them all weekend and continue today, richard. >> so tense as it is there, cal, i was noticing they were locking arms, if they were locking arms on one side of the street and you had law enforcement on the other, are they headed towards each other? >> not only are they headed towards each other, this group -- come with me, randy, i know we'll move quickly here. this group is being led by one group of police officers so while they're chanting anti-police slogans, they're being escorted around the city by police on both sides. a lot of this, frankly, is theater. you will see them form this line and as we get closer you'll see them start being a little bit irate towards us but a lot of this is theater, a lot of this is this antifa sort of narrative that the police, again, are
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responsible for a lot of what we've seen not just in charlottesville but around the country, that's something i had not seen before. >> and we hope there's no escalation and that it stays more theater. cal, thank you. we'll touch base with you later. let's head to d.c. to mike who is in d.c. >> organizers are calling this rally a celebration of gerdivery in the face of white supremacy. they're celebrating ethnic diversity, racial diversity in the united states. they're also here four square united against what they term fascism and white supremacy. that is what has brought people out here today. the permit says they'll get a thousand people. it's really heating up here. i suspect they'll get a few more of those. they'll march from here around the corner to lafayette park a little bit later where the security is going to be very
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tight. police law enforcement, a whole host of law enforcement agencies vow to keep the sides separated, they don't want confrontation. i want to give you a taste of what's happening around here. these folks are calling for an overthrow of the system. the system must be changed, the system must be changed. we heard one of their speakers espousing -- what could only be called a manifesto calling for a violent overthrow of the united states. we have antifa, the familiar sites of bandanna clad protesters, antifashion international and over here towards the main stage as we make our way through signs in spanish, signs in english, people here united against fascism, unite against hate is what it says there, all of this happening literally in the shadow. it's the right time of day you can see the trump international
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hotel and its prominent place on pennsylvania avenue. organizers were talking, pregaming with supporters and volunteers. they want to avoid confrontation. i spoke with a couple folks, a gentleman named bill burke who was injured in charlottesville when the car driven by the white supremacist killed heather higher. he says confrontation is always a loser when it plays out in the larger general public in the media so that's what they're trying to avoid but they want overwhelming numbers to answer the unite the right rally in lafayette park. >> we'll watch that. thank you, mike. we'll circle back with you later. reverend al sharpton joins me next to talk about his conversation with the republican nominee for the u.s. senate in virginia who has praised the confederacy for rebelled against
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more live pictures here, 12:30 local time they're in schill, virginia, today marking the one year anniversary of the violent charlottesville march. this year a white nationalist rally is being held in d.c., not in charlottesville, but protests are ongoing at this hour in charlottesville as well, here's a live look. downtown where counterprotesters are gathered there. now, against this backdrop, republicans in virginia selected corey stewart as a republican nominee for senate. stewart is considered pro confederacy and has won the endorsements of far right politicians. in a new interview today, stewart telling reverend al sharpton on politics nation voters are sick and tired of talking about race. take a listen. >> i meet with voters every single day, the residents of virginia and there's one thing
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that's very clear, very clear, and this is people are sick and tired of talking about race all the time. they're tired of it, they want to move on, the people of charlottesville want to move on, the people of virginia want to move on. they have a lot more important issues to talk about than race on a constant basis which is what we get out of you and the rest of the media on a daily basis. >> reverend al sharpton, host of politics nation and founder and president of the national action networks joins me right now and, rev, your reaction to that back-and-forth you had had there with stewart? >> it was stunning to hear him particularly on a day that charlottesville in the state he's the republican nominee, he's not running to be republican nominee, he is the nominee and he is running to be the senator representing that party. for him to say that we don't want to talk about race, people are talking about race too much, it's the media, is to give you
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an idea of the sense of denial and the sense of trying to marginalize the racial differences in the country and i think that came to a head when the knneo-nazis marched in civia year ago today. it was stunning to me. >> is your sense from your interview that he is not going to address these very clear issues that stand in front of not only him but all the citizens of that state? >> it's clear to me that he did not take the opportunity to address it. it was clear that he did not come forward and say this is what we intend to do about the racial gap. and i pressed him. i said what about those that cannot ignore race? that are born black, that are born in -- with certain nationalities or even women, it's unavoidable. he just said, oh, no, we've got to deal with securing the borders and went into his immigration talking points and i think when you look at what he said, when you look at even the
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tweet from the president this morning, i'm against all racism, not dealing with neo-naziism, not dealing with white supremacy, who is marching in front of the white house he lives in. i think republicans have tried to act like it's not there which is even more offensive and insulting than if they would just take a position and we debate it out. >> rev, how might one explain what is driving stewart's candidacy at the this moment? you brought up republicans. republicans in virginia, for instance, who have voted for him in the primary, this over what might be seen as a more mainstream candidate for republicans there. how would you explain that? >> i think that clearly he is being helped by a large sentiment of those that sympathize with confederate statues, those that are in this kind of far right movement that we are against the advances of blacks and people of color and
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women and lgbtq and i think that's why given the opportunity this morning he would not address those issues, he would not come with policy and he would attack the media and attack civil rights leaders and attack me rather than discuss the issue and i think he's appealing to that element that frankly president trump appealed to, that frankly i think is outdate and i think today many people -- i preached to the church in charlottesville this morning, many people are prepared to push back and say we're not going back to those days and this day is a day that we're going to mark and make sure you understand it. >> rev, what was that like during the sermon that you were giving. what were the parishioners like? what was the tone there in the church. >> it was very, very passionate. a lot of people from different races, black and white, and they want to heal but they want to recognize the illness that they
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healed from. they say we have a long way to go but we are not going to become like those we fight. we're not going to be hateful or violent and there are faith services all over charlottesville today, gatherings all over charlottesville. yes there are protesters and i agree with protests. we must do all levels of activism and i think i've made clear more than most it must be non-violent but it must be passionate. here in charlottesville a yearing. >> you're very aware of what's been happening today with omarosa's comments. she was told that -- after being
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told about lebron james that the president, if he wants to start a race war, he's there. how does that fit with you? what's your response to that? >> i think in every opportunity president trump has been given to try and come one that unites and heels he has not done so. he has methodically attacked leading blacks and you know i've fought him for decades. he's called me and others, anybody that questions him, particularly blacks, any name he can and for omarosa, who was the one who was his liaison, for her to come and say this now and then he called her a low life well, then why did you hire her? why did you bring her into the white house? why did you send her to our conventions if you had that view of her. she is coming out with things
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she has said to many of us in private, i'm trying to represent an agenda in the white house, give us time. and many of us attacked her and not her personally but the policies and for her to now say i've had enough and i'm going to tell it all i think he chooses to call her name than to answer what she's raising. if she is incorrect, he ought to address no, i'm not trying to cause racial division, no, i am trying to deal with sexism, here's how i'm trying to build it. we know this whether it is donald trump or corey stew thwart republicart, the representative. it's name calling and bullying. it's not policy and putting out something people can debate and find common ground. >> reverend al sharpton host of politics nation. again marking one year anniversary of, again, that protest and the loss of life there.
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what does that mean? >> i'm ve was involved in the building and room sizes and entrances. i believe my son don worked on it for the most part but i have reason is involved in it almost at all. i wasn't too much involved. it was mostly my son and daughter. the bars and a lot of things. >> did you have any understanding about the key business points in the lease negotiation? >> no, i didn't. >> did they tell you how they were going? was there any issue? >> no. never did. just -- we have a deal. >> just we have a deal? >> we have a deal. they said we just signed the lease, we have a deal with za r zakarian. i was very much involved. >> joining us now, attorney jason forge.
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what is the president like in a deposition? >> he is very engaged, completely unafraid and very candid. >> and what are his nuances? we saw some of the tape there that might stand out that we don't see when he is speaking publicly. >> well, that was actually much more controlled than a version of president trump than i encountered. if you get him rolling, he speaks much more freely than he was speaking there in the clip that you showed. he is basically an interrogator's team because any competent interrogator knows the key is to get the interviewee talking so as long as you can get mr. trump interested in the subject and if the subject is himse himself, he is very interested and he will take the baton and run. >> he says he is and not
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involved at the same time so he was contradicting himself. is that something you encountered in your interactions with him? >> it is. i think that is a natural consequence of how freely he speaks. i think that contradicting himself even within the same deposition, even within minutes is not something that even phases him. he speaks his mind in the moment and he may have a completely different perspective a few minutes later. >> what was the nature of your interaction with the president? >> well, my interaction was primarily on the record under oath in a videotaped deposition but we also interacted during brakes when it wasn't on the record and frankly he was very friendly. >> on the record, what was the topic? what were you deposing him for? >> the case that i was working on -- and i questioned him about -- was trump university. >> and as you were going through that back and forth, was there
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any point you were able to get him off center, if you will, get him potentially agitated? >> there are different points in the deposition in which i think he was off message in terms of the defense message but i don't think he was ever off message in terms of what he wanted to get across. it was never my goal to agitate him because i just felt that things work better if he felt comfortable and the more defensive he got at different points the less productive the deposition was. however, for example, starting off by asking him if he's an influential person, he liked that notion and so he ran with that and so it was easy to transition from a question like that to a question about whether the marketing and promotion of trump university was meant to influence people. >> as some lawyers do, and you might do the same, when you are
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approaching these depositions, jason, you start nicely and end not so nicely so you can get the answer that you want. did you get something critical? >> there were several points in the deposition that we got what we considered to be critical testimony. specifically one of the more prominent reputations with trump university is that these productors were hand picked by mr. trump. he didn't hesitate to acknowledge he didn't hand pick these live event instructors so it was a little unsettling from my perspective that we would get testimony we would consider to be great yet he would be undeterred. >> was that just as a matter of fact in terms of how you got to that point or did you have to drill down and approach with a very specific path and strategy to get that point out of him? >> it was a mixed bag. there were times i had to be
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very persistent. so for example one of the aspects of reviewing trump university he mentioned was reviewing resumes so when i asked him if he reviewed the resumes of the instructors who were hired his initial response was yes, i reviewed a lot of resumes and then it took a while to get him to acknowledge he reviewed the resumes because he thought he had. >> bob mueller calls you and says jason give me tips, what's one tip you'll give him? 15 seconds. >> don't be confrontational and be persistent. >> all right, thank you so much. jason forge, attorney, thank you for stopping by on this sunday. >> thank you. house democratic leader nancy pelosi on msnbc this morning. what she said about the potential in a blue wave and whether she'll be reelected as
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speaker of the house. stick around.
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in an msnbc exclusive this morning, nancy pelosi is vowing to big in.
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this after reports that some 50 democrats would not want her as speaker if democrats rested control of the house this fall. >> spending tens of millions of dollars against me because they're afraid of me. none of us is indespiispensable i don't think i'm the best person for the job. i say do whatever you have to do, just win. i know one in five children live the poverty. when the kcaucus dsdecides, the will sent the name to the floor. >> governor, we'll start with you first. she was saying the immediate me after her. why should they ask questions about if she should maintain her position in leadership if she were to rest control.
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>> it's a republican tactic. the republicans have driven her numbers down which is unusual in a speak. i think nancy pelosi is probably is best speaker in my lifetime with the possible exception of tip o' neil. i think it's time for my generation to move on out of politics. which i predict which will happen is she will be re-elected to a single term as speaker and make a deal so the follower and the anointed to follow her in the second term will be one of the younger incoming established people. you might see a majority leader 40 years old in the next session of congress. >> is leader pelosi part of your generation? >> yes. i'm looking for a presidential candidate who is 50 or younger. we've got to turn over this country to the younger
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generation. they are out there winning all these races for us. >> susan, is this about republicans coming after leader pelosi? >> nancy pelosi has been a lightning rod especially for republicans. sometimes when we don't have any issues, we just go after her because she's an easy target to be perfectly honest and the n negative ads work. looking forward, i hear what governor dean is saying. i do agree with him to some extent. if you're going to hand oifit o to a younger generation, you have to do it before 2020. she earns it. if she takes back the house, i wouldn't take that away from her. if she wants to be a hero and step up and go beyond for her party, taking herself out of equation could help a lot of kant candidates and lead the way for a new generation of democrats
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going into 2020. >> governor, you've heard those who are saying why are these questions being asked about leader pelosi. is this about ageism, sexism. she's highly effective as a fund-raiser. when it comes to whipping vote, there's nobody better in the house. how would you react to those who are saying hang on, a second, this is sexism? >> it is absolutely sexism. absolutely it's sexism. the republican default position is lets talk about race, immigration, because they have no substance on anything that really matters like economics, health care. they have screwed themselves so much on the tax cut and attempt to get rid of lots of people health care, this is all they can talk about. if nancy pelosi were a male speaker, i think she would be getting a lot less flak. >> there's mitch mcconnell of similar age, susan. as you heard what the governor said, what you agree with what he said there?
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>> i don't think it's sexism at all. i think nancy pelo lolosipelosi 50 members of the democrat party seeking re-election or election to the house who say they are against her. i don't think they are against her just because of her age or her sex. i think they do want new ideas and they see new things for the democratic party. i would say on the republican side, absolutely. we need new leadership and yet you still have to respect those who are in power and who follow the proper protocol which is why i take nothing away from nancy pelosi at the same time. she's earned her right to be there. sometimes you don't know when it's time to leave the station. i can say this about democrats and republicans. >> can i just one say thing about this. >> very quickly. >> nancy pelosi managed to get through the house something that looked more like medicare for all which is what all these f k folks are running for.
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>> i'm not taking anything away from her. i don't think the 50 people are coming out against sexism or ageism. i think there's people who -- i agree with you from an apolitical viewpoint. no nancy pelosi was an effective speaker and could be but it's not where the party is going now. >> my friends, we'll have to go from there or levave it there. thank you. appreciate your time. ivanka's trump on racism and how they compare to the president's remarks. do they have any impact on anything? some are requestiasking. copd tries to say, "go this way." i say, "i'll go my own way, with anoro." ♪ go your own way once-daily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators that work together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night.
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