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vermont. in wisconsin there are eight democrats running for the chance to oust scott walker. in vermont, former ceo of vermont electric co-op, the first openly transgender person nominated for a party. tim waltz against former governor. there is a whole bunch of super juicy primaries tomorrow, which you should plan to participate in as a voter if you live in those states and you should plan to watch with us here as the votes come in tomorrow night. now it is time for "the last word" the lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, rachel. i notice that you didn't have anything to say about omarosa. i don't think i've discussed her ever before now. the latest news on this is that
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donald trump, the president just tweeted mark bernet called to say there are no tapes of "the apprentice" where i used such a terrible and disgusting word. and that has been a giantic hollywood rumor for so long. now we have mark burnett who refuses to release any of the tapes, apparently playing the game of allowing the president to use him as a now public certifier of something that could be better publically certified by releasing all of those tapes. >> yes. as a factual matter. almost as a mathematical matter, that is actually true. there is also -- there is -- steve has documented the president having a particular sort of tick when it comes to
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talking about phone conversations that he says he has had that are conversations that didn't actually take place in real life. he has -- the president has frequently described phone conversations in detail that never actually happened. so in this case the president asserting that he's had this very consequential phone call where he was assured of this very controversial thing should just probably be taken as a bunch of words. but mr. burnetti guess could clear that up. >> thank you for that caution, rachel, because we will go through this hour awaiting a clarification from mr. burnett that no such phone call has occurred or not. we will see. thank you, rachel. >> well, today. one of the people that follows me on twitter tweeted, if you talk about omarosa tonight when there are 700 children still separated from their parents, then i will turn you off.
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but omarosa is one of the reasons that those children were separated from their parents and are still separated from their parents tonight. those children were separated because of the cruelty of the people working in the trump white house, especially the president, who thought it was a good idea to separate them. omarosa and everyone else working for the trump presidential campaign knew they were supporting a candidate who believed that the one thing that we didn't have enough of on the southern border was cruelty, that cruelty was going to be one of the methods that donald trump would use at the southern border to discourage immigration. omarosa knew that. all of the trump campaign workers knew that. and now omarosa proceeds with her tv interview version of her
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n nuremberg trial. she wants to say, i didn't know trump was a racist, she says, and now i do. seven years ago when donald trump started talking about barack obama's birth certificate, i said on this program that heracist. i did not know donald trump. i knew he was a racist because i listened to the racist things he very happily said in public then. omarosa tells us that donald trump told her then that he wasn't being racist when he was lying about president obama's birth. he was just using it as a political device. omarosa wasn't the only one who refused to call donald trump a racist seven years ago. virtually the entire political news media held their fire back then and begged donald trump to do another tv interview talking about the obama birth certificate because it was good for ratings. the omarosa story is about what it means to be complicit and how many people in how many places
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are complicit in the cruelty and incompetence of the trump white house and the trump administration and how they all must at some level know that they are complicit no matter what they are willing to say now. >> yes. it is hindsight. but i will say this to you. i was complicit with this white house deceiving this nation. nay continue to deceive this nation by how it mentally declined he is, how difficult it is for him to process complex information, how he is not engaged in some of the most important decisions that impacts our country. i was complicit enough for that. i regret. >> they are all going to have their omarosa moment at some point. they will all eventually disown trump just as all the republicans working for richard nixon eventually disowned nixon in some way. their omarosa moment might not be as mellow d la ddramatic, bu
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come. sean spicer couldn't find a negative word to say about the president because he still works for the president on a trump-controlled republican political payroll, but sean spicer's day will come when he too will seek the comfort of acceptance by the majority of americans instead of their scorn and he will do that by turning against donald trump in some way, just like they all turned against richard nixon. the one unifying characteristic that everyone working in the trump white house shares is that not one of them would be employed by any other white house, any other president in the jobs they have now. and that is because every one of them is the most incompetent person who has ever held the job they are currently holding from white house chief of staff kelly
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on down. >> so the staff and everyone on the staff works for me, not the president. >> that is from omarosa's secret audio recording of her session with john kelly when he fired her. so the delusionally incompetent john kelly believes that ivanka trump works for him, that jared kushner works for him, that the white house press secretary works for john kelly. of course no one in the trump white houseworks for john kelly, no one. john kelly is not allowed to hire or fire anyone without donald trump's approval. because he is an incompetent staff, the white house has become more out of control. the president, who has never found the time to explain how he will mastermind the reuniting of the children who he separated from their parents at their
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southern border has found plenty of time to attack omarosa on twitter. and one of his tweets he said, he knows it is not presidential to be attacking omarosa, but he doesn't seem to realize that it was not presidential to hire her. no other white house staffer in history has ever written a m memoire because people like omarosa could never get in the door of any other white house. while other teams searched for excellence to staff the white house, it seems the trump transition team was searching for nothing but incompetence. so omarosa went to work in the white house, along with people like steven miller. steven miller is one of the biggest cheerleaders of ripping babies out of their mother's arms in the white house. it might be a tie between steven miller and john kelly about who
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is more enthusiastic about separating babies from their mothers. his uncle published an eloquent essay in which he said i have watched as my nephew, an educated man, has become the architect of immigration policies that repudiate the very foundation of our family's life in this country. steven miller's uncle pointed out that stephen miller might not exist today and certainly would not be living in the united states if his family was not allowed to enter the united states as jewish refugees from life threatening persecution in eastern europe. he is the product of what stephen miller condemns as chain migration. donald trump is also the product of chain migration. miller's uncle wrote that they have become, quote, blind to the
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hi pock rasy of their decisions. it can be a lessor sin than incompetence. consider your airline pilot the next time you're on a plane. would you be more bothered by her hiprocasy or imcompetence? but their greater sin is incompetence and it is what will always unite them with omarosa who will be at best a footnote in historian's account of the trump administration because she never actually made anything
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happen in the trump administration. she was by her own account now essentially the token, the black person you had to have in the room to prove he was not a racist. no one cared what she thought about the policies. no one inside the white house did, if she thought anything at all about the policies. thinking up the trump policies and then executing the trump policies fell to other incompetence in the trump white house, steve bannon, steve miller and the incompetent trump cabinet. who can forget donald trump's homeland security secretary in her confirmation hearing lying under oath about norway? >> norway is a predominantly white country, isn't it? >> i actually do not know that,
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sir, but i imagine that is the case. >> her white immigrant ancestors are from skand knave yeah, and she actually pretended to know nothing, which is a level of incompetence that is hard to believe even from a trump secretary of homeland security. tonight omarosa stands accused of incompetence, not just by those who knew she didn't have the competence to work in the white house but by the president that hired her to work in the white house, the president that promised his supporters that he would not hire people like the person he has spent all day attacking. >> we've got the best people. >> i know the best people. >> we're going to use our best people. >> the best people. >> i know guys that are so good. >> it's hard to rank the importance of the lies candidate trump told, but the lie about the best people is actually one of the most important lies that donald trump told on the
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campaign trail because in some jobs incompetence can kill, incompetence can destroy lives in some government jobs. and so omarosa is today's window into the cruelty and incompetence of the trump white house and the trump administration. it was the hyporasy and rulety and incompetence of donald trump and steven miller that ripped babies out of the arms of their mother on the southern border and it is their rank incompetence that keeps 559 of those children still separated from their parents tonight. the trump administration has admitted that they don't know how to reunite those families. they don't know how. and so tonight in an administration where the only cabinet members who have publically demonstrated any kind of real competence, our secretary of defense madison,
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dan coats, we are living with the cruelty of malice and incompetence of the trump administration. they are all omarosa. donald trump is omarosa. and every one working for him in that white house is omarosa. when we come back, after this break, we'll be joined by michael steel and tim o'brian who will consider what all of this means not for omarosa but for all of the other omarosas still working in the white house very much including donald trump.
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president trump seems to be trying to fight back against what he seems to consider omarosa's most serious accusation against him that she has heard him using the n word on tapes made while they were making the tv series the apprentice. tapes in the possession of some people that omarosa would not name. tonight donald trump tweeted he got a phone call from the man that owns those tapes. he says mark burnett called to say there are no tapes of "the apprentice" where i used such a terrible and disgusting word.
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and michael steel, i want to get your reaction to what the president is tweeting about tonight. he seems to think, or at least what you see in that, is the idea that he seems he believes that a tape of him being caught using the n word could be really damaging to him. what is your reading of what that would actually do to president trump's standing? >> i think if that tape existed and just as an asterisks on that point, this is a narrative. as you know, lawrence, it has been around for about four or five years now. and, so, it's come from different places and different sources. so there is that. and i think for the president, this idea that if this tape did exist, if this did occur, it would be i think beyond devastating to hear the president's own voice, own
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words, using that word, doesn't matter context, doesn't matter situation. it is going to be hard to come back from that. i think a lot of supporters of his, as we have seen, start to move a little bit and shift, particularly around the issue that you raised in your opening, which was very powerful, by the way, this idea of complicit and imco incompetence. that whole issue with those children coupled with this type of language coming out of the president's mouth, this has a devastating impact. >> do you agree on that point? i mean, it strikes me as something that would be, if it existed, completely unsurprising to me, based on my observations of donald trump? and we don't have any good evidence that this exists. i don't think any of us are sitting here believing omarosa on this point. but if it did exist, if it did become public, do you agree with michael about what the impact
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would be? >> if that tape really did exist, it would be a bombshell for the president. unlike some other things that have happened to the president, the n word is steeped in history. people have swung from trees. people have been enslaved. whole generations of people were denied the right to vote. so much violence was really perpetrated on african-americans using that word that it is a special place in american history that i think the president would have a hard, hard, hard time coming back from. that said the access hollywood tape, everyone was thinking, this is the end of his campaign. everyone is going to flee from him. and guess what? he bounced back and became president. as a white house kor spcorrespo i'm loathed to say there is one thing to say there is one thing to take the president down. both of them have credibility issues. what you have in a reality television president is all these cast of characters that kind of have their personalities and have their own agendas.
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and for president trump, because he has his own credible issues, there is not a way to 100% say omarosa clearly is wrong and she never heard that, especially because she says there will be other tapes coming out. that could be devastating. >> tim o'brian, you are i think the only one among us who has had conversations with donald trump about omarosa, which we'll get to in a moment. the first thing i want to check with you is something rachel raised at the beginning of this hour, which is donald trump is known to publically lie about having received phone calls from people that are praising to him or helpful in some way. we have seen him do it on twitter, lie about having gotten a phone call from someone -- >> a friend of mine. >> yes. what's the possibility? i guess there is some level of possibility that mark burnett has not called to say of this.
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>> that could be the case. when there was rumors about compromising tapes from the set of "the apprentice," the word was burnett put a gag order on producers and staff not to leak anything, so this is consistent with that. what's going on here in part is that you don't have a credible narrator in omarosa. when omarosa was kicked off "the apprentice," she went back and said one of the contestants used the n word against her then. nbc denied that. after all that, she continued to partner with trump on projects all the way up to the white house. but the reason this has traction, and donald trump just tonight right before he aired he tweeted again about omarosa. and in the same breath said he called himself a true champion of civil rights. he is anything but. he is a 72 year old man who spent most of his life
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trafficking in racism and race baiting. he has not been a civil rights champion. and these issues have our attention through omarosa because we could believe it to be true, but i don't think we should believe her. >> michael steel, go ahead. i think that last point is absolutely right. you know, this 72-year-old man suddenly being a champion of civil rights. when you look at his history and certainly his recent history, he can't even get out in front of charlottesville and talk to the nation from that champion, you know, ship perspective of civil rights about what this means to the country and why, in particular, african-americans are so repulsed by his reaction to it. so spare me that particular river. there is no one crying over that one. so let's move on and deal with the fact that right now the president realizes he has a media narrative problem that he needs to get in front of in some
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kind of way. and this is the part that i find the most ticklish, lawrence. trump is talking about this low-life in omarosa. well, he created this low-life. that's like frankenstein looking and going, you are a monster. yeah. i am your creation. a lot of this right now is coming up around the president's heels in away he's being bested by his own creation. it is amazing to watch. >> one line we're not going to hear in a trump re-election campaign is i get the best people. i hire the best people. and this is a crucially important factor when you are looking at this administration's response to the devastation in puerto rico to their own inability to repair the damage that they did themselves on the southern border. over 500 kids tonight separated from their parents and this administration has said in court we don't know how to put those
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families back together. >> well, i'll say this. i have talked to immigration lawyers who are very worried that the parents deported without their kids may never be able to be reunited with their kids or the united states will drag their feet for years and years, and it might be years of drama for these children. the thing i'll say, though, is that the white house has still not put out a list of african-american staffers in the white house. as of right now, it seems there is not one black senior staffer in the white house. they had people that wanted to work for this white house. michael steel said that omarosa blocked some of those people from going in. on top of that, ben carson has decided to raise the rent on a lot of poor people looking for federal subsidies. you have jeff sessions looking at ending affirmative action, also looking at extending prison terms. so this is an administration, if you look at it, they were say they're champions of civil rights but people like the naacp
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say that only in the president's rhetoric and his policies and who he has chosen not to hire, he's not interested in civil rights. >> michael steel, donald trump saying triumphantly that mark burnett called to say there are no tapes. there is something about the claiming that there is no tapes that gives you the feeling that the person that is so excited there are no tapes may be worried that there was some possibility -- >> that there are tapes. >> -- in the years of that show that there might be tapes. >> i think that's the case. look, those sets, people sitting around talking and the back story on these particular tapes in this situation was, you know, they were in between shots and the president was commenting very openly and very freely. and, so -- and we know the president does that. we've seen him do that. we have heard him do that. he's gotten in trouble before in
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doing that. so i think back in the recesses of his mind he's hoping the camera wasn't rolling, but probably believes in the end it was. and that's why you see the kind of concern in the tapes and in the tweets that he's putting out right now. >> tim, it is donald trump's case here tonight, as of today, that omarosa was incompetent, doing a terrible job, doing a terrible job all the time. he is emphasizing this. he is emphasizing the incompetence within his own administration. and again shining a light on a book that he doesn't want people to read and he doesn't want people to believe. we have seen him do this with the other -- >> with the michael wolfe quote. >> and he's surrounded by people d d duplicit. you end up with everybody back biting. that's what you are seeing with
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this group right now. one of the reasons the president of the united states, rather than paying attention to the country's business tonight, thinking about the fact there is a financial crisis in turkey, children are being ripped from their parents in the southern border, he's tweeting about a reality show contestant all day long because he feels betrayed. >> thank you very much for starting us off tonight. really appreciate this. and when we come back, donald trump has a new explanation and what he thinks is a defense of the trump tower meeting with russians during the presidential campaign. but it's not a very strong defense of donald trump jr. if you have moderate to severe
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in a statement obviously written for him by his criminal defense lawyers, president trump told the press this. don has received notoriety for a brief meeting that many politicians would have taken, buff most importantly and to the best of my knowledge nothing happened after the meeting concluded. the lawyerly phrase, to the pbet of my knowledge, leaves open the possibility that something did happen after the meeting president trump claims he did not know about. this is the latest version of donald trump's way to explain that meeting. the first lie was that it was all about adoptions. another significant kpopment in the trump defense strategy is
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that revelation that we now know the president's version of what james comey says was the incriminating conversation in which president trump tried to block the fbi's investigation of the first trump national security adviser michael flynn. the president asked him, i hope you can see your way clear to getting this go, to letting flynn go. donald trump's version of the conversation is that the conversation never happened. >> flynn, the president says he never told comey that he should go easy on flynn. >> i just want to be clear exactly what happened in that conversation with comey about michael flynn. what exactly did president trump say? >> there was no conversation about michael flynn. >> so you're saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. >> joining our discussion now, senior editor for the atlantic
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and a former federal prosecutor and former assistant u.s. district attorney. let's start first with what rudy giuliani said. there was no discussion of michael flynn. that may be the only workable defense strategy, rather than get into, i didn't say that. just, oh, no, we never discussed it. >> it is probably the best strategy for him, but it is too little too late. even giuliani has gone on tv. trump has acknowledged there was conversations but tried to explain them away. this is what happens with everything that comes out with them. you have this evolution where it starts with no, it didn't happen and once there are ir reputable facts, they come out and say, okay, but it wasn't illegal. here we've done the reverse. i think they didn't quite realize how bad it was going to
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be. so they said, yeah, he had a conversation. they said, it's okay for him to say that about flynn to comey and also because i don't think they correctly determined that it would be very hard, whatever else you can say about jim comey, to make him look like a liar and comey was smart enough to have some corroboration. they went from, yes, this happened, it wasn't a big deal to now saying and backtracking completely and saying it doesn't work. we're not in a court of law. but certainly in any kind of official proceeding, you can't keep changing your story like that. hopefully the public has as little tolerance here as juries have in courtrooms and jurors get it in courtrooms. >> in a legal proceeding, can you pull out -- i know you can pull out former sworn statements like depositions, sworn statements. but can you pull out a news article and say in here the
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president said, i never said that? >> well, a public statement outside of a courtroom, it depends. if it's of the defendant or the person being charged, then, yes because it wouldn't be hearsay. so, yes, if he made a prior statement, you know, that was inconsistent with something now, they could say -- in the right context they could use it as an admission, yes. but even more so when people make inconsistent arguments within a courtroom so at a trial and a defense attorney gets up and says, well, it didn't happen. but if it did, he didn't have the intent. juries hate that. and juries don't buy it when it is happening there. i'm hoping the american public doesn't buy it in this courtroom, the public courtroom. >> and david, so the president has gone from defending the meeting at trump tower during the campaign saying it was all about adoptions to now saying, okay, we all know what it was about. but most -- now they're saying
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most politicians would have had the meeting. trump used to say every politician would have had a meeting with a foreign power to get dirt on the opponent. and now the president seems to be concerned with nothing other than what did the president know after the meeting occurred. >> earnest hemmingway has a faye house line when you go broke, at first it is very slow and then it is very fast. the same is true for the e her against of truth. i think a lot of people who watch your program have a feeling -- they're on top of it, but the story never seems to move. but when a series of major presidential statements about a national security event like cooperating allegedly with a foreign power, when that statement begins to unravel, it is like a sand castle collapsing before the waves. at first it is very slow and then it is just gone. that's that to the best of my knowledge. on this point about the president now attempting to deny
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or his lawyer attempting to deny that he ever talked to comey about obstruction, this is a place where the comedy element of tonight's program and the serious element overlap because the president is just claiming that he had this conversation with mark burnett. he has a twitter account of his own. i imagine he also employs publicists. if he wanted to release a statement to the president, he would release a statement. he should. for the first thing the president would say to him if that conversation took place was please release a statement to that effect. the president the fact tweeted it says it did not took place. that's one example. the conversation with comey is the most important conversation probably of his presidency. he is going to ask the american people to believe him and not james comey contemporaneous notes. he will ask that minutes after the conversation with mark
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burnett. >> when you see the president's new statement about the trump tower meeting during the campaign, how does that change the legal posture of the trump position about that meeting? >> right. so he's trying to bring in or he's trying to say he didn't know what happened after -- he, trump, doesn't know what happened after. so he is trying to build in some distance. >> let's just get in here. he also does not say in this latest version that he didn't know about it before. >> right, right, right. >> that's the latest round of accusations from michael cohen, that donald trump knew about it before. so he doesn't touch that now. >> he admitted that the meeting was about getting dirt on his opponent from the russians. so now we're at, okay, this happened. it was to get dirt. but nothing happened afterwards that i, donald trump, knew about. it doesn't really make a lot of sense. he's clearly trying to put distance there and someone advised him knowledge is relevant.
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that's correct. knowledge is relevant. but it isn't knowledge at that point. that's not the only point at which his knowledge becomes relevant. if he knew about the meeting ahead of him, they went to the meeting, whether or not anything happened afterwards, there can still be a crime. conspiracy is a crime that does not need to have a fully completed act afterwards. it is about an agreement. that is the crime. and second of all, a lot did happen after that meeting. so the whole statement is prepostero preposterous, right? they released e-mails afterwards and trump asked for more e-mails. so it is preposterous to say that nothing happened afterwards. >> everything happened afterwards. >> that's so exactly correct. thank you for making that point. there is a big wikileaks dump in june. there is a big wikileaks dump in october within 45 minutes of the release of the access hollywood tape. and mueller's latest indictment makes clear the russians were
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present in democratic servers through that period between june and october and may have stolen democratic party analytics. we don't know what the russians did with that, but that would be useful information for a campaign that had half as much money to spend as the hillary clinton campaign and as we have seen tonight was not employing competent professionals. >> thank you for guiding us through the investigation tonight. really appreciate. >> thank you. >> when we come back, the most unpopular republican president since richard nixon, will he be challenged for the republican nomination for president and will ohio governor john kasich be that challenge? r? (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything
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experts. in the end, impressive 35% of the ohio 12 vote and came through big for o'connor. turnout was weak and heavily republican, rurals. but balderson held on to enough traditional republican suburbs in delaware county, likely thanks to governor kasich. the most recent poll of donald trump's approval rating in ohio shows that only 39% of ohio voters have a favorable view of president trump, while 58.6% view him unfavorably. 42.4% of voters have a favorable view of john kasich. and with john kasich, obviously more popular than donald trump in the key swing state of ohio. what does that mean for a possible john kasich challenge to donald trump for the republican presidential nomination? and here is the one thing, the one thing that we know about
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the easiest thing to say when you are a republican and there is a republican in the white house running for re-election, the easiest thing for a republican to say then is
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i am not running for president. but john kasich just can't bring himself to say that. i don't know what i am doing. you know that. what i am doing now is staying alive. i am speaking out. but every time that i say anything or observe anything people want to say that is because he is running for president. i don't know what i am going to do. maybe i will. maybe i won't. i don't know. >> michael, sometimes i do not know means yes. >> yeah, it does. yeah. in most cases it typically does at that level especially. john kasich, i think made no secret that he has at least his sights on the possibility of laying down the tracks for the presidency. he was out and about several months ago as a tandem talking about the possibility of a bipartisan ticket to some degree and in some way.
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so it is very clear that he is sending the signals that he at least wants to look at the prospect of mixing things up in the republican primary in 2020. that would be a very interesting prospect. the history as you noted at the top is not all that good for an incumbent president when that happens and maybe that is the end game after all. >> in 68 we saw senator mccarthy, a democrat step up and run against johnson followed by bobby kennedy. so, two democrats running against the democrat president. lyndon johnson gave up. we cut to 24 years later and pat but k buchanan runs against george h.w. bush. there is no good model here for the president who gets
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challenged by a serious challenger within his own party. >> that is very true. you are the leading theater on 1968. it is true that there are not great models for the challenger. on the republican side, the primary challenge everyone thinks of is 1976, reagan versus ford and in that case the party was really split. reagan found something that was already there. what john kasich is asked to do is take a party shrunken but united behind donald trump and embark on a martyr mission for himself. >> how would you compare it to the buchanan run that looked hopeless from the start, surprised us with its strength and ultimately died in the primary season. and george h.w. bush could never quite recover from that to go on to what was expected by most observers to be the re-election of an incumbent president. >> i think it goes to something
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that david referenced. that is the challenger finding something that is there. pat buchanan, very much like donald trump in his rise within the party found something that was there and he struck that nerve and he used it as a weapon against the incumbent, george bush. the same is true in 1980 with jimmy carter and senator kennedy. kennedy found something inside the democratic party that was there and couldn't exploit it. that is the achilles heel for the challenger, the ability to exploit it to the ability where you get the voters within the base to turn their head away from the incumbent and towards the challenger. whether they like the incumbent or not, as you know, there is this loyalty. that is our standard bearer. you have a fear that if you look the other way we could lose.
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well, the act of the challenge itself is already set in to motion the prospects of losing because the rest of the country is watching that and forming an opinion typically against the incumbent. >> thank you for getting the ted kennedy challenge in there to complete the lineup. john kasich seems to like the fight so far. donald trump attacks him. he replies with a tweet that is a picture of vladimir putin laughing. he has put donald trump's attack in a fundraising solicitation he is putting out there trying to raise money from republican supporters on the basis that donald trump is attacking him. >> right. he faces a dilemma. he could certainly hurt donald trump. the more it is clear that he wants to hurt donald trump, the harder it is for him to succeed in the republican primary. if he is going to replace donald trump he needs to come up with an alternate vision. and the vision in this republican party as we have it
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now in 2019 and 2020 is not the message that john kasich has been articulating over the last two or three years. >> thank you. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tonight's last word is next. you ready for this, junior? yeah, i think i can handle it. no pressure... ...that's just my favorite boat. boom. (laughs) make summer go right with ford, america's best-selling brand. and get our best deal of the summer: zero percent financing for sixty months on f-150. get zero percent financing for 60 months- plus $2,800 bonus cash on a 2018 f-150 xlt equipped with 2.7l ecoboost. now i'm gonna tell my momma♪ ♪that i'm a traveller ♪i'm gonna follow the sun♪ ♪now i'm gonna tell my momma ♪that i'm a traveller transitions™ light under control™
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