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rotini the pig who belongs to one jeremy rosenberger, thanks for watching us tonight on "kasie d.c." we'll be back tomorrow night at 8:00 eastern, good night for now from washington. we're americans, and we never give up, we never quit, we never hide from history, we make history. >> mccain's not in it for the wins and losings of politics. he is politics. >> he is scandal.
>> he was willing to walk away. >> and stuck by his principles. >> i can't trust obama. >> he didn't let ambition prehaven't him from doing what he thought was right. >> people always say that we'll never see his likes again, we beard see his likes again. >> a true political maverick. >> tonight we sure showed him what a come back looks like. >> once again put to the test of his life. >> at the epicenter of a legislate seveive showdown, his grit on display. his last election behind him, mccain reflective on his remarkable life in his latest book. >> senator john mccain is opening up like never before.
>> john mccabe is an american hero. an imperfect man like all of us, but whose service to america was as close to perfect as service could be. i don't mind a good fight. for reasons known only to god, i have had to fight them my whole life. in the end, it matters less that you can fight, what you fight for, is the real test. >> the former navy fighter pilot, prisoner of war and two-time presidential candidate found himself at the center of new fights. challenging his old party's president in what he said would be his last book, the restless
wave. >> never at a loss for words, he's now taking on president trump and others, others that he blames for the growing lack of civility in politics. >> it was a conflict that often turned perm eed personal in nas brain cancer had been mocked in the administration. >> it happened yesterday. >> his life has been about decency and honor, compared to a president who's unworthy to say his name out loud. >> clashes with the trump white house, paled in comparison to his other fight. >> this disease has never had a more worthy opponent. >> mccain is a tough fighter. it's a tough diagnosis burks an even tougher man. >> i think it has in many ways brought people back to john mccain for the sweep of his place in american life.
>> the arizona senator made a name for himself for his inclination to bipartisanship. >> i spoke out very strongly to several other issues where i thought mr. trump was absolutely wrong. i have not been shy about it. >> john is at his best when he's fighting as a maverick, what i mean at his best is that he's happiest and that's when he gets thipg things done. >> mccain's health issues came at a critical juncture, a senate vote on legislation to begin dismantling the affordable care act, also known as obamacare. the 52-48 republican majority in the senate left little margin for error on the vote. less than two weeks after the surgery to remove a blood clot over his eye, mccain made a dramatic return to the senate. >> the senior senator from
arizona, is recognized. >> i thank you mr. president. >> mccain delivered a roughly 15 to 20 minute speech, that is an encapsukap sucapsulation of eve wants the senate to be. >> let's return to regular order, we have been spinning our wheels on too many important issues because we keep trying to find a way to win without help from across the aisle. >> there's one person who's not a former president of the united states who has the unquestioned ability to talk about that in a way that people can hear. it's john sidney mccain >> we're getting nothing done, my friends. we're getting nothing done. >> he's no fan of obamacare, he voted against it. but he didn't like the way it smelled and he wasn't going to put up with it. >> president trump made the repeal of obamacare one of his
top priorities. >> obamacare is a disaster. >> the usually reliable republican was tight lipped about his decision. >> i was there during the senate vote and john mccain said we should watch the show on the floor. we had no idea what that meant. >> two republican senators, susan collins of maine, lisa murkowski of alaska voted against the bill, joining the entire democratic caucus. john mccain would be the deciding vote. >> he knew how he was going to vote when he came on the floor and there was no moving him. >> and then he walks back out on the floor, and it's almost like a moment out of the gladdategla >> when he put his thumbs down, he said no, there were gasps in
the chamber. oh, he actually did that, it's a shock. >> nobody should under estimate john mccain's ability to seize a moment like that in politics. >> we talked about this, it was not so much a vote against the skinny repeal, though it was. it was a vote against the whole screwed up process that is washington today. >> i think for a man like mccain, this moment allowed him to say i put my country before my party. >> when i saw the vote and the fact that john walked on to the floor and put thumbs down, i walked back and i said, that's my friend, that's the hero that i have had. >> you came back from arizona, did you always know you were going to do it, or did you make up your mind at the last moment? >> i made up my mind on the way back, and what the alternative was, which was frankly enough
inverter, a skinny repeal, whatever that means. that's not why i came to the zm senate, tom. >> mccain as he has on a majority of issues did support the republican bill on tax reform, which included a repeal of obamacare's individual mandate. >> the tax cuts and jobs act is passed. >> his opposition to trump does not mean he is a liberal. i think when democrats criticize him for being a conservative, he says, well, that's who i am. >> it's a fascinating career to see, it's not about the victories he's notched, it's about the worthiness of the fight. >> coming up -- >> he was held in solitary confinement for two years so that tested his will to live. >> every day was basically about one thing, survival. ahoy-hoy. alexander graham bell here... no, no, my number is one, you must want two!
the great honor of my life was to serve in the company of heroes. >> john s. mccain iii was born in 1966. his father jack mccain was a naval officer who eventually became a five star admiral. his brother also became an admiral. for young john mccain, entry into the naval academy was a foregone conclusion. as a cadet, he quickly established a reputation as a rebel and a party boy. >> we really did have the most enjoyable times perhaps i have had in my time, was that period in the naval academy when i ran around with a like minded but perhaps not quite as assertive
in their abase in this group of young men. >> he's knowledgeable, he's well read in history and you knew when he was in the room. he always had a lot of energy and a superb since of humor. that's what attracted a lot of people to him. >> after graduating from the naval academy fifth from the top of his class, he decided to become an aviator. mccain was assigned to the uss "forr "forest "forester" and it was sent to one of the bigge egest disaster >> a missile was fired at my airplane. >> cameras mounted on the flight
deck captured the horrific scene. >> there are explosions. one after another. the ship really was completely engulfed. >> mccain escaped the fire with minor shrapnel wounds. but 134 of his shipmates were killed. mccain was given an option, he could return to the u.s. or stay in vietnam. >> he could have cycled back to the united states after the fire and never returned to vietnam. but he specifically volunteered to go back. >> it would be a fateful decision. mccain was reassigned to the uss uss "ariskany." on his 23rd bombing mission over vietnam in 1967, mccain's war
skyhawk was shot down. >> he was shot down by a missile. he bailed out and so he had an arm broken, a leg broken and knocked unconscious. >> mccain-he was immediately set upon by an angry mob. mccain was beaten in the foot and a rifle butt smashed over his shoulder. beaten and bloody, he was hauled off to a prison known to american p.o.w.s as the hanoi hilton. >> the conditions at the hanoi hilton were deplorable. it was nasty, very heavy, heavy
concrete doors, just a very scary dungeon like life. >> his north side vietnamese captors interrogated him, but mccain would not cooperate. >> you were told during the interrogation that the only information that you were obligated to give was your name, rank, serial number and date of birth. >> mccain's injuries were left untreated. it he developed a horrible ineffei infection and horrible fever. but the vietnamese decided to treat mccain after learning who his father was. >> it made john mccain a valuable prisoner, somebody who could potentially be exploited for propaganda purposes. >> his arms were put in bulky casts. mccain was offered an early
release from captivity, but he refused, citing the military code of conduct. >> a code of conduct required prisoners of war to be released in the order that they were captured. >> i understood that the vietnamese didn't single me out for an offer of release because of any act of charity on their part, that it would be an issue of exploitation on their behalf. there was really no doubt about that. >> and john mccain made an affirmative decision that he would stay in prison and likely die rather than dishonor the united states navy, his family's legacy of service and break the code of conduct. >> over the next 5 1/2 years in captivity, he was subjected to repeated torture and experienced frequent bouts of disintery and constant isolation. >> he was held in solitary
confinement for two years so that tested his will to live and his belief system. >> every day was basically about one thing, survival. >> by christmas 1972, the u.s. dramatically increased it's bombing runs over north vietnam in an effort to get the vietnamese to the negotiating table. >> and that, it is believed is what caused the communist negotiator to finally agree to terms acceptable to president nixon. >> within 60 days from this saturday, all americans held prisoners of war throughout indo china will be released. >> as part of the negotiations, the americans held in captivity were released. 5 1/2 years after he was pulled from that lake in hanoi, john mccain finally was free. >> mccain had aged so
dramatically from the young man who had crashed his plane and when he came down the steps in california and was greeted and lipped across the tarmac, it was such a dramatic moment. coming up -- >> the notion that anyone would question his honesty or integrity was so antithetical to who he was to the point where he was willing to walk away. have a good shift. fire pit. last use -- 0600. i'd stay close. morning. ♪ get ready to switch. protected by flo. should say, "protected by alan and jamie." -right? -should it? when you bundle home and auto... run, alan! ...you get more than just savings. you get 'round-the-clock protection.
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when john mccain was released in march of 1973, he received a hero's welcome back in the states. free from his nightmare at the hanoi hilton, he resumed his playboy ways. >> he would acknowledge after ei returned home there was a time when he was sort of finding himself again. >> his marriage to his wife carol whom he wed shortly before leaving for vietnam fell apart. >> i have no idea why i behaved
irresponsibly and i did so and it was improper on my part. >> mccain's naval career was also at a crossroads. >> it's clear, i think, to him that he was never going to become an admiral given his age and background and having spent the best six years of his life in captivity. >> mccain changed directions but stayed in the navy, becoming the liaison in the 1970s. >> it's a job that really opened the door to politics and allowed him to see politics from the inside. >> he was one of the favorites of the senators to travel with, he kept us laughing most of the trip. >> and in the winter of 1979, john met a teacher, 17 years his junior, cindy hinsley from a weltdy family.
>> she was a beautiful young woman and a great spirit and it was clear to me that he was very much in love with her. >> john and his first wife carol's divorce was finalized in 1980. a few months later, he and cindy were married. he was also ready for a fresh start to his career. mccain wanted to run for congress as a republican, but where? he had never settled down anywhere long enough to call it home. >> i suggested he go to the state where his wife was from. he would be new obviously, but he would be new any place he went. >> from the start, hiss opponents labelled him a carpet bagger, an opponent politician with weak ties to the area where he was running. >> he quickly remedied that saying the longest spot he had ever been in was the hanoi hilton as a prisoner of war. nobody ever raised that question again. >> as a freshman congressman quickly developed a reputation for not necessarily towing the
partyline. civil war broke out in lebanon and by the fall of 1983, the situation was a powder keg, u.s. peacekeeping forces were in harm's way. opposing his own party's president, mccain sided with the majority of democrats in a call to send more troops to lebanon. >> the 83 vote is a first step along that way. >> in arizona, this is a man that we'll all want to watch, his name is john mccain, now elected to the senate seat of retired barry goldwater. >> after two terms in the house, mccain won election in the city, but it didn't take long to threaten his political career. during the 1980s, the savings and loan crisis rocked the
country. >> it became what was the plowup of 2008 and the washington voters were angry. >> charles key's lending institution was at the heart of the scandal. because of his close ties to the embattled businessman, mccain became embroiled in one of the biggest financial scandals in u.s. as a member of the infamous keating 5. >> the keating 5 scandal was the accusation that the u.s. senate had been showered with campaign contributions and personal gifts from charles keating and because of this, they intervened with federal regulators to try and get charles keating back. >> when he came to see me in march of 198en and asked me to do something i thought was improper, i said no. >> mccain was criticized for exercising poor judgment for
meeting with regulators on keating's behalf, but eventually he was cleared of wrong doing. >> for anybody to think that he didn't have integrity or that he could be bought off for a vote, was so and thretithetical to wh was, he was ready to walk away. >> but mccain didn't walk away and the scandal helped motiva motivative to take on one of the biggest challenges of his career, campaign finance. >> john mccain, having gone through that whole keating 5 issue felt that money was seen as corrupting members of the senate and the house and was trying to do something to fight against it. >> mccain reached across the aisle, he tapped wisconsin senator russ feingold to walk with him on the cause. >> we had never had a serious
conversation and he called me when he got home, he said, hey, i like your voting record and i would like to you to prepare reform with me. >> the way he treated me was like a mentor, friend, father figure. it was a relationship where i really benefitted tremendously from being able to see his abilities and his willingness to cross the party line. people didn't talk to us in our respective caucuses because of this. we were not at the cool kid lunch table for many years. coming up -- >> barack obama was beginning to walk the mown tuntain tops. >> somebody said hey, have you thought of this governor from alaska named sarah palin?
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trump attorney michael cohen is being investigated for bank fraud. nbc news has not yet confirmed that story. and white house counsel don mcgahn reportedly cooperating extensively with robert mueller's investigation. the white house saying they're allowed to cooperate fully with special counsel robert mueller's probe as a way of showing transparency. now back to "headliners." as the millennium approached, john mccain, a man deemed a political maverick for his bold moves and father of seven, decided to take aim at the top job in the country. >> it is because i owe america more than she has ever owed me and i am a candidate for president of the united states. >> from the very beginning he
was an underdog from the son of a political dynasty. >> george bush emerged as the most potent political force in the whole nominating process. >> mccain skipped the iowa caucuses and focused all of his attention in the new hampshire primaries. mccain rolled out the straight talk express, his all access bus tour, a 24/7 press conference on wheels. >> the straight talk express of 2000 was unlike anything that i had ever seen or that i have ever seen since. >> you had no idea what was going to happen at any moment. you weren't being spoon-fed anything, it was just completely spontaneous. >> mccain's hard work paid off,
he beat george w. bush in the state's primary by 18 points. >> he comes roaring out of new hampshire, everybody thinks he's not only the next republican nominee, but very possibly the next president. >> but the sudden burst of energy in new hampshire faded with a bruising primary in south carolina. >> really malicious rumors were spread about him and his family. >> mccain's daughter bridget adopted from bangladesh became the focus of one of the campaign's most vicious attacks. >> they were accusing john mccabe m mccain of fathering a biracial child out of wedlock. >> by march, the straight talk express ran out of gas. >> i announce today on this fine arizona morning and in this beautiful place that i am no longer an active candidate for my party's nomination for president.
thank you. >> mccain threw his support behind bush and helped him defeat democratic challenger al gore to become the 43rd president. although he was a loyal republican, mccain bucked bush on numerous issues. >> mccain was taking issues on tax taxes, on health care, on guns, on the environment, that were at odds with the bush administration. >> during the bush years, mccain scored perhaps his biggest legislative achievement, when mccain-feingold was signed into law in 2002. >> there were times when you thought it was never going to end, but quite honestly, john was so much fun to work with, i didn't mind. >> by 1994, john mccain the maverick was more popular than ever before. his national profile continued
to rise. in 2005, he ambitiously led legislation on immigration control. he began to gear up for a second presidential run. >> today i announce my candidacy for president of the united states. >> he was popular, he was prominent. he had the money and the resources and the heavyweights of the party behind him. >> mccain's campaign struggled. >> the fundraising estimates didn't pan out and thus the campaign was top heavy and bankrupt six months after it opened the door. >> and it reaches a point in summer of 2007 where basically the obituary for john mccain's campaign was written. >> i'll never forget, i was walking my dog in southern california and the phone rang
and he said will you help me? they all quit but i'm not getting out. and he literally flew up to new hampshire in the middle seat on a southwest airlines with the national committee looking to pick over his bones, when are you getting out of the race, it's all over. and he didn't. >> with nothing left to lose, mccain once again made new hampshire his last stand. >> you come to the town hall meetings because you want to see the candidates, you want to talk to them and you want to size them up as a candidate. >> the happiest that john mccain was ever on a campaign, it wassern wassern't -- it wasn't on the night you won, it was the night or two before, when you knew you
could one. >> on the night of the primary, mccain pulled out a five point victory over midromney. >> i'm past the age where i can claim the noun kid no matter what adjective precedes it, but tonight, we sure showed them what a come back looks like. >> as mccain wrapped up the republican nomination, his expected challenger hillary clinton faltered in her own campaign. in an upset, a newcomer, barack obama won the nomination. >> there's two types of elections in america. there's change elections and more of the same elections. i'm not sure in 2008 that we could have elected abraham lincoln as a republican in the presidential eelection. >> we always knew that we had to take a risk, that we had to
throw the ball through double cover an over the middle of the field with a head win, where all the elements were against us. john mccain was going to pick joe lieberman. >> i get a call from rick davis who was campaign manager for john mccain's presidential campaign in 2008. he said john would like to put you on the list of people that could be vetted to be his vice presidential running mate. i said, are you kidding me? he said no, i'm not. it was a bold idea. >> barack obama was beginning to walk on the mountain tops and you were not going to defeat him with a conventional campaign. >> in his book "the restless wave" mccain expressed regret for not having been talked out of it by campaign staff.
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were left in the dark until the last minute. >> i had walked into a hotel room, and steve schmidt said to me, meet the next vice president of the united states, the governor of the great state of alaska, sarah palin. i loved her and i shook her hand and i walked out. >> palin, the 44-year-old first term governor had made a name for herself as a reformer in alaska. >> she had better than a 60% approval rating as governor, she had the ability to spark interest. >> john mccain's bold move, his sneak attack, one that the world wouldn't see coming, one is that would make them sit up and take notice. >> sarah palin made her national political review. >> as governor, i stood up to the great politics as usual.
>> he founding a political star up there in alaska none of us had ever seen before. >> he shot up in the polls because she was a woman and it was really great. >> we surprised everybody maybe too much. there were a lot of things we didn't know about her. how long had she been governor, not long. and ten the katie couric interview was really a disaster, it went off the rails. >> katie couric who was then anchor of the cbs evening news, she asked a question that was simple and predictable, what sort of books do you read, what magazines? >> i have read a great deal of hem. >> what specific ones do you read? >> all of them, any of them. >> that became the unraveling, that became the moment that she was not ready.
>> that was a cynical move to try to tap into the republican base. >> i don't think she's ready to be president of the united states, which is the job of the vice president. so that raised some question in my mind as to the judgment that senator mccain made. >> i think it was seen as a mistake in judgment, you know, it's an old county threw song, i knew what i was doing, but what was i thinking? >> let me ask you some questions about your returning mate, governor sarah palin. you continue do defender, she continues to light up republican rallies wherever she goes. >> i don't defend her, i praise her. >> many think she's simply not qualified to be president. >> the fact is, she is a dynamic person with executive experience, leadership, reform, she's exactly what washington needs. >> he was hold and so the idea of sarah palin wasn't some
distraction, it was a real possibility. >> heading into the fall of twau 2008, the race was neck and neck. then on september 15. >> the american financial system is rocked to its foundation as top financial institutions topple. >> mccain decided to suspend his campaign to hammer out a deal in the economy. but at a meeting at the white house, he was largely silent. barack obama offered substantially more input in the conversation. as the economy cratered, the campaign struggled to maintain mow men tunnel. sarah palin was much more willing to be the person on the stump to say these things about obama. and a phrase of palling around with terrorists took hold. >> our opponent is someone who sees america as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists
who targeted their own country from. >> the crowds got angrier and angrier and really any mention of barack obama's name would trigger a chorus of booing and vitriol that john mccain was deeply, deeply uncomfortable with. >> i can't trust obama. i have read about him and he's not -- he's an arab. >> nope. >> no in. >> no, ma'am, he's a decent family man, citizen that i just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about. >> i remember thinking that john mccain has no idea what he just did. that he just stood up against the darkest and the ugliest forces in american politics. >> i knew that was the end of the campaign, it was really a surrender to the inevitable by a
man who is the farthest thing from the quitter as you can ever imagine. >> in the weeks leading up to the election, obama had what appeared to be an insurmountable lead. >> i think it really became a change election on the heels of the wars and the economic collapse. i think the appetite for change was almost insatiable. >> it is now 11:00 on the east coast, and keith, we can report history. >> barack obama is projected to be the next president of the united states of america. >> in arizona, as supporters waited outside the builtmore hotel, mccain gathered with his closer advisers. >> john showed me the concession speech and i read it with tears streaming down my facing, it was incredible. >> whatever our differences, we are fellow americans, and please believe me when i say no
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>> it's time president obama woke up to the reality in the world and reassert american leadership. >> mccain kept a lower profile but continued to be as he had his entire career, one of the biggest supporters of the american troops abroad. >> the thing he's most proud of being able to contribute to the national security of the united states. that's the thing that he feels most strongly about as he described it to me. >> during the lead up to the 2016 primary, unlikely newcomer was about to thrust mccain back into the national spotlight. at a presidential forum in iowa, john mccain war record came up between the pollster and the republican candidate, donald trump. >> he's not a war hero. he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured. >> i was out raged. i couldn't believe he said it.
>> i felt rage. wait a minute, you didn't serve in the military. john mccain did. and you're saying anybody who has been shot down or captured by the enemy and tortured in prison. is not a war hero. >> john mccain's response was it is what it is. he didn't respond. that's typical of john. >> as a loyal republican, mccain endorsed trump once he won the parties nomination. >> he felt it was incumbent on him to support the nominee. >> that changed after donald trumps lewd comments during an access hollywood segment leaked. >> you can do anything. whatever you want. >> the access hollywood tape was mccains final straw. that's when he wouldn't vote for donald trump. >> i have daughters. i have friends.
i have so many wonderful people on my staff. they cannot be degraded in that fashion. >> but on election night. >> in one of the most shocking u.s. elections in u.s. history. donald trump over came the odds and defeated hillary clinton. >> he wakes up november 9. utterly stunned. trump as won. and beyond all the other things about trumps personal behavior, mccain most troubled about trumps world view. >> and his concerns didn't subside after the inauguration. >> what concerns me is his views on national security. and russia and vladimir putin. and sanctions. >> mccain criticized the trump administration refugee ban and handling of a controversial navy seal read in yemen. also in his book, he defended former fbi director james comey. after comey was fired by president trump.
>> during a june 27 senate intelligence committee hearing with. the normally sharp minded senator stumbled and appeared to be confused. >> she was clearly involved in this whole situation. where fake news as you just described it, big deal. >> i was on the air live. at the time of the comey hearing and i was alarmed to say the least. >> in the case of mr. comey, the president comey. >> no, sir. >> case of president trump. >> a month later, it was announced that mccain under went surgery to remove a blood clot from over left eye. >> it did indicate that there was some pathology testing to be done and suggested there was going to be a follow up. >> four days later. >> the senate maverick in
american hero not fight of his life after being diagnosed with aggressive brain tumor. >> i actually was on the phone to john mccain when i heard about it. just almost he said i have chemotherapy coming up. it was very typical john mccain. let's talk about things that are more important or bigger. by the way i have this cancer i have to deal with. >> when people talk about the probabilities of this disease that he has, those are averages. he's not average. so, we're hoping and praying for the best. >> mccain under went treatment for his brain tumor. but, true to form. in october, 2017. he made his feelings about the current political climate known when he received a national constitution centers liberty medal. >> to refuse the obligation of international leadership and duty to remain the last best
hope of earth. for the sake of some half baked nationalism cooked up by people who find scapegoats than solve problems. it's as unpatriotic to any other dogma of the past that americans consigned to the ash heap of history. >> he's the real deal. a giant figure. in the life of the united states senate. and the country. >> january of 2018, john mccain left washington for arizona. to continue his battle are cancer at home. >> you have had so many lives. you're the son of a distinguished naval family. a bit a wild child for a time to say the least. >> a fighter pilot in vietnam. a war hero. spent that time in the prison and came back and you have been
in the senate twice presidential candidate. >> both times lost. >> what do you want to be remembered for? >> he served his country. he served his country. >> hopefully with the word honorably on it. that's all. hate is on the rise in america. it's em boldened. >> the war on whites is real. >> normalized. >> the government is nothing compared to the jewish menace. >> and destroying lives. >> there are people who will say once a nazi always a nazi. and you can't change who you are. >> but i