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place. what greater cause could anyone ever serve? >> senator john mccain gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts right now. new tonight from the "wall street journal." paul manafort sought a plea deal. that was until talks broke down reportedly because of robert mueller. plus, rudy giuliani's pr play. why trump's lawyer is down to swaying public opinion as the only way to win the war. and remembering an american hero. the late john mccain leaves a parting message for his fellow americans as the white house reverses course today, sending flags lowered in respect until mccain's burial. "the 11th hour" on a monday night begins now. good evening once again from our msnbc headquarters here in new york. i'm nicole wallace in for brian
williams. the president has finally spoken about john mccain two days after he passed away. this as the flag at the white house was lowered to half staff to honor mccain. we'll have more on that in just a moment, but first we're following news on multiple fronts about robert mueller's russia investigation. less than a week after paul manafort was convicted on bank and fraud charges, the "wall street journal" is reporting that paul manafort sought a deal in the next trial. those discussions took place while he was deliberating in his last one in virginia. quote, the plea talks on the second set of charges stalled over issues raised by special counsel robert mueller, one of the people said. it isn't clear what those issues
were, and the proposed terms of the plea deal couldn't immediately be determined. president trump said, i feel very badly for paul manafort and his wonderful family. justice took a 12-year-old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and unlike michael cohen, he refused to break, make up stories in order to get a deal. such respect for a brave man. and giuliani said he believes that since mr. trump is essentially having his day in court, in realtime, his jury is the public. the aggressive defense starts with his base, then it stretches out to independents, then to democrats, giuliani said. he readily acknowledged that he would never win over many on the left, but maintained that for others, impeachment was going too far. we saw some of this strategy over the weekend when giuliani said, quote, just a few days before 60-day run-up to 2018 elections. if mueller wants to show he's not partisan, then issue a report on collusion and obstruction. they will show president trump
did nothing wrong. then we will have to admit you were fair. and we will. >> former u.s. attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. eli stokels, white house reporter for the los angeles times, and robert costa, political reporter for the "washington post" and "political week" on pbs. while donald trump was tweeting about how paul manafort was the stronger character last week
during his week from hell, paul manafort was working on a plea deal with mueller's prosecutors. >> right, the president after the manafort trial praised him for not flipping and lamented. he said it should be illegal to work with prosecutors and try to cut a deal, and go figure, days later we learned that manafort's attorneys were at least in conversation with the prosecutors about a possible agreement, possibly getting some leniency from the sentencing. we don't know what the president will say, how he'll try to spin that. maybe we'll find out tomorrow
morning on twitter, but it certainly does -- the most interesting thing is the fact that they couldn't reach a deal. usually if there is going to be a deal, it's of some benefit to both parties. we have no idea if it's simply that the investigators thought that they just couldn't get anything that valuable out of paul manafort at this point, but it is a fascinating wrinkle in this case. >> another fascinating wrinkle, matt miller, is the prospect or the possibility of a pardon for
manafort. how do you read the "wall street journal" reporting tonight that as recently as last week, manafort was considering cooperating with federal prosecutors at the same time the white house has been rumbling, rudy giuliani putting out some fires himself late last week, about the prospect of a pardon for paul manafort? >> nicole, i think possibly this report raises more questions for me than it gives answers. the most obvious one is what causes these talks to break down not just on a guilty plea but on
cooperation. if you want to get an actual serious reduction in jail time, he was going to have to come in and fully cooperate against the president or anyone close to the president. but the other question it raises to me is why is this leaked now? there would only be two parties, i think, paul manafort and bob mueller. it seems fairly obvious that this came from manafort and his team. the only explanation i could think of that would make sense for that type of leak is their legal strategy from the beginning has seemed to me to play for a pardon.
there is overwhelming evidence in both these cases, one in virginia and the one coming up in d.c. where the evidence is even stronger against manafort, and this just might signal the presidency. look, i've been out here taking a bullet for you. i took a very serious one in virginia last week, i'm certainly going to be sentenced to jail time. i'm now looking at another one coming up in september. i'm trying to be as strong as you asked me to, but i need a little help. i need the promise of a pardon. i need something more tangible
than just a possibility. this may have been a signal to the president that if i don't get those assurances, i have another out. >> joyce vance, the president called out flippers, that it ought to be outlawed. he also sent a signal to stay strong to his one-time security adviser, mike flynn. mike flynn has been cooperating, i believe, the longest with team america, which is what one former federal prosecutor called the mueller special counsel investigation. talk about what bob mueller could get from paul manafort. he already has his deputy, rick gates, he already has mike flynn. what would mueller want with manafort? what would mueller demand for any sort of leniency or any sort of deal for paul manafort? >> i have maybe a slightly less sensational, less interesting view of what the topic of these negotiations might have been. manafort doesn't really look
like someone who has the ability to go in and engage in sort of the full cooperation that prosecutors would demand to complete a cooperation agreement. so what would manafort have that he could offer? prosecutors who just finished trying a case in the eastern district of virginia now have to gear up and go to trial again in washington. that's a considerable expenditure of time and resources, especially if they have the intention to work on additional cases. so if manafort were to offer to plead guilty, it would, for prosecutors, be an efficiency gain. he could probably seek from them a leniency for the amount on his property that might be seized, leaving him with resources that might provide for his family while he's in prison. so i would resist leaping to the conclusion that the conversation fell apart over cooperation and think that it might be a much more mundane sort of negotiation over a plea. >> robert costa, donald trump was talking about his approval ratings as the country was largely marking the passing of senator john mccain. but one thing that d ver the id man inappropriat only 11% of americ appropriate. what are you hea giuliani and possibly pardon >> giuliani has to has had a discu early possibility, is th it, b to not even consider but the fact that the a conversation that br topic shows t radar of pr team, something they know c be a political bombshell tha would make republicans a as well as democrats if they moved in that direction. and they also feel -- speaking of people close to t president a lot of visibil whe inves g side. they know long-time friend who is un his associates, at least, right now from robert muell investigators so that's wh trying to figu moves here b does ma connection to the stone inquiry at all, the stone- inquiry story in what's interesting about this plea is this appears to be about all they've got. their messag indict a sittin mueller is running that seems to be going to run a lit of tr and it's obvious they think that's their best shot at defeating this in the court of public opinion and inoculating the
president from the consequences of the mueller probe because his support remains strong enough with his base that republicans and congress won't go after him. the problem with that strategy, as we're seeing now, is this investigation has metastasized to the southern district of new york. there haven't been efforts and i don't know how you would make an effort to brand the southern district of new york as part of the deep state. he's been tweeting about mueller and 13 or 17 angry democrats. it's hard to sort of animate your base against the southern district of new york and going to be very hard to answer for some of the wrongdoing and the crimes that may be unearthed. we've already seen that michael cohen has pleaded guilty. they've given immunity to the cfo of the trump organization.
you don't give immunity to somebody unless they've had some legal exposure unless they've done something wrong. so if they've done things wrong, people who worked on the inside of trump tower, obviously it looks like this investigation is looking -- setting their sights higher than cohen or weisselberg, and i think that is very scary to the president and that is not something that giuliani or any really legal strategy at this point, especially a pr strategy, will be able to effectively mitigate. >> eli makes a good point. the southern district especially known for tariffs. hard to make a left wing campaign against the president. but i want to ask you about justice department official bruce orr. he's the official that has been
the latest target, the latest sort of exhibit from donald trump and his allies in the right wing media of something that they have targeted as evidence of a conspiracy, part of their wackadoo campaign against the rule of law and the doj. tomorrow bruce orr is expected to testify behind closed doors with the judiciary committee. we've seen some of their anantic we've seen them beat up on rod rosenstein and their department. from the "new york times" tonight, we learn a little more about bruce ohr's expertise. he knows about the russian mob. can you lay out some of the complicated errors of bruce ohr? >> the thing that ties them all together is kind of this scorched earth approach to try to destroy anyone at the justice department who he can just to discredit the investigation into
him. bruce ohr is someone who i worked with at the justice department. i know he's a long-time career prosecutor who has worked to target organized crime in russia, all over the globe, on behalf of the u.s. government. he's someone i thought was doing the right thing. he got what he thought was discerning information on donald trump. he was challenging the fbi after the fbi made the deal. you've seen the president attack him, turn him into the latest whipping boy as we've seen peter struck and others inside the
justice department for the last year and a half now. it's not just the president's attacks, but we saw jeff sessions come out on friday and defend himself, and it was the second time he's done it and i saw a lot of people praising sessions for finally doing that. the thing we haven't seen from jeff sessions is attacking the president. when the president attacks him by name and he attacks him by position, you never hear anything from sessions defending those people inside the justice department. i think it's a weakness by the leadership of the department and of course it's a terrible indictment on the president and character. >> and the president is checking out bruce ohr. if the president punished him by stripping his clearances, that would be another one. coming up, as robert mueller plows forward, one trump insider predicts more indictments are on the way. on capitol hill, they are bracing themselves for investigations. john mccain worked the other side of the aisle while never giving up the fight. donald trump just recently uttering mccain's name. "the 11th hour" is just getting started. this wi-fi is fast.
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over by september, then we have a very, very serious violation of the justice department rules. they shouldn't be conducting one of these investigations in the 60-day period. >> just a reminder there that president trump's personal lawyer has said his client will not sit down with the special counsel after september 1st. if he agrees to an interview at all. september 1st is this saturday, and as the clock ticks down to trump's deadline, mueller's team remains silent and the administration finds itself dealing with legal issues on several other fronts. former trump fixer michael cohen is now an admitted felon, and to other associates is, a tablet executive, and the other one in the trump organization are said to be working in new york. the myth of trump is now unraveling, said barbara res. he's becoming more obvious and people are starting to know what he's like and what he's doing.
matt miller, joyce vance and eli stokel are all here. joyce, it sounds like people who know him best, people like the 20-year veterans of his company, are saying you're seeing what we've always known. it's not like some giant business that's well-run with controls and law-abiding employees. this is a slightly corrupt mom and pop operation. is that what's being revealed as the bright lights of the southern district and robert mueller's probe shines on it. >> the justice department seems determined to go after whatever criminality they can find in this investigation, and i think your point is a good one. sometimes businesses or anything that appears one way from the outside doesn't look quite the same when it's exposed to the harsh glare of the spotlight. it doesn't look like trump org is this fabulous business that trump has held it out to be. there is an interesting comment
in this article that talks about trump testifying in a deposition and saying, the value of my business is whatever i say it is. so we may see that the emperor at the end of the day doesn't have any clothes or at least not as many as he's tried to tell folks he has all along. >> and it's a family business. they caught our attention today about don jr. let's watch. >> i predicted yesterday based on excellent sourcing that the special counsel is going to charge donald trump jr. with lying to the fbi. notice that they're not charging him for having an illegal meeting with a russian at trump tower because there is nothing illegal about that meeting. >> with friends like those, innocent on collusion, but yes, he obstructed justice. matt miller, what do you make of roger stone? >> first of all, i think the disclaimer by roger stone, you always have to take everything with a grain of salt that he says. it could have been a crime that donald trump jr. committed in
taking that meeting. but the second big thing is it might be a little bit of news that he gave, probably inadvertently there, if it's true that donald trump jr. actually met with the fbi. so far we haven't seen any reports that he has met with the fbi, that he's been subpoenaed to the grand jury. politico reported a couple months ago that mueller has not subpoenaed or asked for interviews with any of the trump children, including don jr. that is news that donald trump jr. is a very serious subject if not borderline target that he has not been contacted by the special counsel. there may be someone actually
inadvertently helping donald trump jr. news if it's true he was contacted for an interview and has gone in and talked to bob mueller. i am a little bit skeptical of that report. i think given all the exposure that donald trump jr. has in this case, if he was contacted by the special counsel, i think it's very unlikely he has sat down and given him an interview. >> eli, let's report on something from axios today. it has house republicans pretty distraught at this hour. axios sun gop spreadsheet, congressional republicans are getting ready for hell. axios has obtained a spreadsheet that that's circulated through republican circles on and off capitol hill, including at least one leadership office, that meticulously pre views the investigations. publicly, house republicans are putting on a brave face about the midterms.
but privately, they are scrambling. >> it tells you the president is not confident about this election and even the white house political shop is not confident about the house. they're sending the president out to defend a lot of these republican senate seats. as far as the house, they're taking a wait and see approach, but basically writing that off. it also tells you this spreadsheet that circulated about the republicans sort of acknowledging, whoever wrote this, acknowledging all the areas of oversight where the
current house majority, the republicans, have sort of shielded the president from oversight. they recognize there are a lot of possible areas that could be investigated, and they haven't done any of it. that's no surprise to anybody that's watched the house intel community sort of prosecutor not prosecute the hearings into the investigation of collusion. more broadly, the house speaker paul ryan, this is his legacy, too. is legacy, too. is different. how it reacts, how it evades and adapts. and how we attack it. that's why at cancer treatment centers of america, we use diagnostic tools that help us better understand what drives each person's cancer. this is what we mean by outsmarting cancer. and for some, it may uncover more effective treatment options. like christine bray. after battling ovarian cancer for several years, her test results revealed a potential treatment not considered previously a drug therapy that targeted her tumor. today, christine's metastatic cancer is in remission.
over the x number of days, and we very much appreciate everything that senator mccain has done for our country. >> those are the very first public words spoken by president trump about senator john mccain since he passed away saturday. earlier today this was the president's response when asked about mccain. >> mr. president, any thoughts on john mccain? any thoughts on john mccain, sir? mr. president, do you have any thoughts on john mccain? do you have any thoughts at all about john mccain? do you believe john mccain was a hero, sir? nothing at all about john mccain? any probable cause lo mags about john mccain? why won't i say anything about
john mccain? >> wow. the american legion and other veterans groups criticized the white house for raising the flag over the white house to full staff less than 48 hours after the senator's death. after a morning of public pushback, the flag was lowered to half staff again and president trump issued a statement that read in part, quote, despite our differences on policy and politics, i respect senator john mccain's service to our country, and in his honor have signed a probable cause -- proclamation to tli fly
the flag of the united states at half staff until the day of his interment. trump also suggested to advisers that many people speaking out on television were looking for ways to attack him, and that all the people now praising mccain previously didn't like the senator. he said over the weekend that lavishing praise on mccain would not be genuine because he didn't feel that way. quote, everyone knows you didn't like him. trump wrote much of monday's statement, and wanted to express that he disagreed with mccain on policy and politics. senator mccain wrote a statement before he died meant both to be a farewell to the country that he loved and a warning. rick davis, his long-time friend and campaign manager, read it at a press conference today. here's some of that. >> we weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sewn resentment, hatred and violence on all the corners of the globe. we weaken it when we hide behind walls rather than tear them down, when we doubt the power of our ideals rather than trust them to be the great force for change they have always been.
>> back with us to talk about all of this is robert costa. and joining the conversation, ashley parker, pulitzer prize-winning reporter for the "washington post" and jill colburn, reporter for the washington press. you saw the president arms crossed, mumbling thank you, thank you, barely making eye contact with jonathan carl or anybody else in the pool asking about john mccain. what was it that pushed him over the top? was it, as the "washington post" reports, the crush of news coverage, or was it the revolt on his own white house staff that finally got him to make this turn? >> it seemed to be a combination of those factors. the president was just peppered with questions. four different opportunities this afternoon where the president was asked about john mccain. do you have nothing else to say
about him? do you believe he is a hero? why is that the only statement you have to the nation, referring to that tweet he put out, his only public response up until this afternoon. you could feel the pressure mounting. you could sort of see in the president that he understood and he felt the tension in the room as we were all bombarding him with those questions. there's also reporting there were a number of staff members, john kelly, and others urging him, this is not a good look for you. the president was also seeing just endless criticism. you had the shot of the flag up
at full staff this morning and you had the washington monument in the background, you're looking at it right now, with all those flags at half staff. veterans groups, the president has claimed he is such a champion of, coming out and criticizing him, and in the end he decided to do exactly what his aides urged him to do and put out that statement. >> deeply skeptical that anyone in the white house staff was offended on behalf of an american hero. this was the same white house staff, sarah huckabee sanders in particular, who took the podium in the briefing room and defended kelly sadler when she said, john mccain will be dead soon. so i have a hard time believing it was anything more than donald trump's political standing that brought out the pressure. am i getting that wrong is this.
>> your skepticism is absolutely fair. i will say one of the reasons, for instance, as the post reported that president trump initially nixed putting out a statement calling senator mccain a hero, praising his life and military service, is because there were a number of people in that white house who were really sickened by the president's initial behavior. that said, a lot of their dismay and disagreements sort of took place in private or in anonymous quotes to reporters, and there is a difference in this white
house between people often saying they don't like the behavior, they're personally disgusted, and then sort of taking the next step, that more crucial step, and taking an actual public stand. we did not see that. we did see them ultimately, through that combination of cable news coverage and the president getting peppered with questions and private pressure being applied, get the president
>> robert costa, what is the sort of ripple if don mcgahn through a boulder in the middle of a peaceful pond, what does it look like in the gop if donald trump in death were able to shame donald trump in life? >> many people were appalled at him not keeping that flag at half staff. you saw pressure throughout the party calling into the white house saying there has to be a republican party in lockstep here. this is a city republican senator, a veteran republican senator, a military veteran and a war hero. there's going to be proceedings
at the capitol. he's going to lie there this week. the funeral in washington, buried at the naval academy in annapolis. all these factors have led the republican party, mostly privately, though, we should point out, mostly privately to reach out to the white house and say, change your mind. this is more than just a personal battle. >> i spoke to a presidential ally and friend and outside adviser this morning, and i said, what's wrong with him? john mccain is on his way to heaven, had, you know, left everything on the field, if you will, left nothing unsaid. this is hurting donald trump. why can't donald trump be big for five minutes just so save himself? did you get any insight in your reporting with white house officials as to why this sort of insistence on always biting his nose to spite his face? >> part of it again was the president sort of saying, as he did and we reported over the weekend, that he -- people know that he and senator mccain did not get along, did not like each other, and a small bit of that was sort of that authenticity people seemed to like about him and staying true to himself and staying true to his feud. but the real reason or the core reason is that president trump especially, he cannot stand not being the center of attention, the person who all the adulation is focused on. again, even in this behavior that is politically bad for this white house, bad for this president, president trump managed to do what he does best and enjoys most, which is to make it all about himself. today was a day about mourning
the late senator from arizona, and while that did happen, at its core was president trump and the controversies of his own making, and that is where he feels most comfortable. >> jill culvin, there are six days of past presidents coming together to honor john mccain. how will this be most difficult for him? >> he was hosting the president of kenya today and he congratulated the president for having arrived on such a fabulous day because the president was announcing this small-scale deal trade agreement with mexico. it was a day when he was touting that the stock market was hitting a new high, so this was a really fabulous time to be visiting the white house. meanwhile, you have the rest of the nation in mourning. i think what you're likely to see is a series of split shots on your television screen of people across the country, in arizona, in washington honoring
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colleague on the senate floor. >> it is our honor as americans to say the late, great john sidney mccain iii, what we pray he has already heard from his creator. well done. good and faithful servant. well done. >> he was equally parts funny and furious, foul-mouthed and statesman-like. he could put the temper in temperament. he was a brave and honest man. he was a patriot. >> we are fortunate to have known him best in arizona, but he was bigger than any one state. he always belonged to america and to the world. and now he belongs to the ages. farewell, senator. farewell, john. i yield the floor. >> joining us now are michael jackson steele, former chairman of the republican national committee, and michael bechsloz,
national historian. michael, let me start with you. what would a john mccain presidency have looked like either in 2000 or 2008? >> that's a very, very good question. >> bechsloz will bail us out if you or i flub it. >> i think it would have been an administration that was tempered by the harsh realities of the time. i think it would have been an administration that would have been far more open in its reach, not just across the aisle but across america to communities that are now marginalized or outright ignored in many instances. i think he would have brought
that temperament, talking about his temper, that temperament of statesmanship, discipline, but a sense of hope, a sense of vision, and a sense of the purpose of the country which i think it was a hallmark of his life. it's something that i think was sort of forged in him during those five years as a prisoner of war. his appreciation for not just the strength of this country but
the beauty of its people and the power of its legacy. >> michael bechsloz, let me ask you the same question. someone asked me this question having worked for george w. bush. i recoiled at first, but i want you to tell us what you think a mccain presidency would have looked like if he had been our president on september 11. do you think we would have gone to war with afghanistan or iraq, or do you think the country's path would have been different? >> i think it's hard to say what he would have done in that place. one of the advantages of being a historian is you can always say if abraham lincoln were alive today, this would be his view, and no one is ever going to say that you're wrong. but one thing, and you've spoken about it so well the last couple days, nicolle, is how different john mccain really was as a
leader. i think one of the biggest parts of his legacy is going to be in the future when we refer to the mccain kind of leadership, that's going to mean something very specific to people. courage, humor, modesty, love of country, above yourself, desire to work across the aisle, all these things we've been hearing about the last couple of days. and that means that in certain ways, it could be that john mccain will be even more powerful after his life as he was during life, because in the future if a politician behaves badly and someone says, that's not what john mccain would have done, that's sort of a corrective. and the other thing -- i don't want to jump ahead, but if we're talking about the primaries in 2020, the republican primaries, and let's say if donald trump is running against several challengers, if there is a challenger who seems to have the mantle of john mccain republicanism, that's going to be a label that could be pretty powerful. >> i could have talked to you both for the whole hour but all i could get was another segment. neither of you are going anywhere. more "11th hour" after this break.
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him if he could. that's an extraordinary tribute, i think, to the global importance of john mccain and his innatepersonified the values country was founded on. he was the greatest speaker. >> he talked about the profound impact john mccain had around the world. john mccain would have been pleasantly surprised to see one of his best friends on the planet, really his political partner, one of his soulmates mark stalter go on tv and talk about him. john mccain got people to do things they didn't want to do. john mccain, his existence was the most powerful rebuke of this most current moment in politics. his existence, his value of a free press. his decency, his humility, his capacity, his appetite for admitting his own mistakes and his own shortcomings. it seems like just breathing the air, john mccain rebuked donald trump.
>> in so many ways that is true. it really kind of goes back to that moment during the town hall that's been played over and over again since his passing of john mccain rebuking one of his own supporters when she went after president obama, or then-candidate obama. so it says a lot about the man in moments like that. just as right now, nicolle, there are a lot of things that can be said about the man in the white house given this moment and the way he handles this moment. how you handle adversity, particularly when you're up against opponents you aren't fond of, says a lot about you. no matter what john mccain felt about you personally, or felt about an issue, always stayed true to the idea that he wanted to get something done for this country. i think that says volumes about
him and why you're seeing the tributes pouring out on his behalf tonight. >> this is the second not just in state funeral, barbara bush was the first, where president bush will be invited, donald trump will not. how does history mark a moment like this? >> we've never seen it where the current president has no relationship with virtually all the living former presidents. it's very strange and also very horrible. it also touches on something else which is that half the job of a presidency, as you well know, nicolle, is chief of state. it's not just to be a political leader. chief of state means someone who represents us around the world,
someone who is a president who you want to hold up to your children and say, this is someone i want you children to be like. and donald trump, that's just a side of this office that he doesn't care about and he really doesn't fulfill. even friends i have who like donald trump will say, i would never want my children to be like him, but he's doing things that i like. so that's why, in a time like this, it's very important for us to think of particularly political leaders who are people who represent qualities that we would like our children to grow up to be like and also represent america around the world. so for that reason, i think the brighter john mccain's legacy, the better for all of us. >> michael steele and michael bechsloz, thank you so much for spending some time with us. coming up, a quick break for us. more "11th hour" after this. us more "11th hour" after this.
tonight on "all in" -- >> mr. president, any thoughts on john mccain? >> the white house bows to public pressure. relowering its flag for john mccain. >> mr. president, any thoughts on john mccain? >> thanks, everybody. let's go this way. >> tonight the party of trump and the death of senator john mccain. plug, congressman adam schiff on the secret list of trump scandals republicans refuse to investigate. then -- >> did you know about the payments? >> later on i knew. >> the president's state dinner with evangelicals in the wake of his stormy daniels admission. and the art of the speaker phone. >> the president is on the phone. enrique? >> when "all in" starts right now.