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guy. i'm stephanie ruhle. i'll see you at 11:00 with ali velshi and all day on twitter. right now, more news with my friend and colleague, hallie jackson. >> thank you so much. i am hallie jackson in washingt washington. on this friday, august 31st, 2018, the nation is pausing to remember and celebrate the lives of two american icons. all of it is happening right now. over the next hour, too. the left side of your screen, live pictures from detroit. thousands of people have lined up to pay their final respects to the queen of soul. a celebration of the life of aretha franklin. it'll be a who's who in the world of entertainment and music. on the right side, a who's who in the world of politics. the capital of tol of the unite states, not far from where we are, and a celebration of john mccain. senator, war hero, presidential candidate, husband, father, grandfather. his casket arriving in washington overnight. we are waiting now for the motorcade, the procession to the
capital rotunda this morning. john mccain will be the 31st american to lie in state. 242 years of this republic. we have a team of correspondents, analysts, friends, all here this hour, as we watch poet of theboth of the. we want to begin in detroit, where the final good-bye to the queen of soul is just beginning. as you might imagine, it is a star-studded sendoff for aretha franklin. some of the biggest names in entertainment are attending the funeral in detroit. this is just beginning now. ron mott is there. ron, so far, seems like this is going to be a ceremony fit, fittingly, for a queen. >> reporter: it's unbelievable, the people who have come out here to pay their final respects to the queen. it is hard to remember that this is a funeral and hearts are heavy, hallie, obviously. this is a real celebration of this woman. detroit's own. she loved this city. they loved her right back. this morning, before the sun even came out, people were standing in line. the family initially was saying that this was going to be a
private invitation only service. because of the turnout all week long at the various services and viewings, they decided they were going to let about 1,000 fans into this service, if they were appropriately dressed. people got here 3:00 in the morning to make sure they could be one of the 1,000 people to get in. they just let them in. we talked to a couple of them about why they wanted to spend this final day with aretha franklin. here's a little bit of what they had to say. >> we're all here out of love. the love she gave us, we're giving the love back to her. we're family. >> i'm here because i want to pay respects to a beautiful, phenomenal artist, who not only did a lot for detroit but for the world, humanity, civil rights. you know, she wasn't just full of soul. she was full of love. >> reporter: now, i've been looking around to see if president bill clinton, who is on the program today, has shown up, and no signs of secret service or his motorcade. just off to our camera, bask
basketball great isaiah thomas. we'll try to grab him. take a look at the other folks here, hallie. these are the musical tributes that will be going up. faith hill, ariana grande, chaka khan, fantasia, jennifer hudson. this is an a-list funeral service the queen would be quite proud, i'm imagining, about the turnout she's generating here in detroit and all week. this has been a real celebration of this great woman's life. >> ron mott watching it all for us. all day affair with plenty of wardrobe changes over the last few days, as you might challenge. i want to bring in msnbc's n npr tv critic. we expect family members, clergy, ministers. it'll be happening the next 20 minutes or so before the first prayer of comfort and everything beginning in the service. put into context what you think
aretha franklin meant to the country and, frankly, to the world. >> amazing artist, obviously. a woman who set the standard in so many different ways. first, she set the standard for what an r&b diva or pop diva could be. she pioneered a singing technique and hits both gospel, rock, pop, r&b, and even in classical. beyond that, she was an activist in the civil rights movement and helped raise money for civil rights groups. helped support those efforts. we're going to see that, i think, inhome-going service. we'll see the words unite. the world of gospel, where she birthed her talent, learned her style and piano playing style. we'll see all these luminaries in rock, pop, and soul. then we're also going to see
activists and civil rights icons also paying tribute. we'll see all the worlds come together in this amazing service today. >> you make the important point that her legacy spans a number of arenas. not just the world of music, but the world of politics, too. let me talk about the world of music. she's the first woman to enter the rock and roll hall of fame. she was number one on "rolling stones" list of greatest singers. she had a legendary career, eric. >> exactly. you know, i was a professional musician myself years ago, sound of mo totown, and i can tell yo we paid attention to artists like aretha franklin. the way she could roll out a song. the way she'd hold back her gifts and then unleash them at just the right moment. she taught generations of singers how to sing. when you listen to the work of chaka khan or ariana grande or mariah carey or mary j. blige,
and the list goes on, you're listening to women who learned a the feet of aretharetha. i think we'll hear that today, as well, in all these performances, in all of these tributes. all of these artists are going to talk about how she inspired them and led them to pioneer in their own ways. >> she won a grammy lifetime achievement award in 1994. among her classic hits was, of course, "respect," r-e-s-p-e-c-t, which was an anthem for civil rights and women's equality. let's talk about the idea that people latched onto aretha franklin's songs. >> it is fascinating. at the time she did "respect," it was an otis redding song. otis redding did respect. >> aretha franklin added the taking care of business. >> she had her sisters in the background. 1967, it was on the heels of the feminine mystique. there was always this question
within the african-american women, are we a part of the feminism movement or did white feminists leave us behind? it is what we see today. black women voted the, i'll say, right way, and white women overwhelmingly voted for trump. franklin said, i bring home the bacon, take care of my family and myself. there is a quote from her father saying, aretha franklin was not the stereotype of the poor black woman who was willing to do anything to get ahead. she did it on talent. she demanded respect. i'm someone who believes she was at the forefront of what so many people claim to be second way feminism. >> we're going to talk more about the life and legacy of aretha franklin, what she meant to the movement michelle is talking about, the moments she had that impacted the world of politics, too.
we also want to mention what's happening here in washington. here, ctically the entire city, is getting ready for a hero sendoff. john mccain lies in state. we know members of the house and senate will gather in the respective chambers before heading to the rotunda to await their late colleague. vice president mike pence and the mccain family, his wife, seven kids and grandkids, and his mom, roberta, 106 years old, will be here today. let me bring in nbc's kelly o'donnell, who covered mccain's 2008 campaign, knew the senator well, and covered the services out there. you made your way back to washington. we expect to see the arrival of luminaries, to honor john mccain, as we look where his casket will be placed. tell me about the mood there this morning and what you've
seen and noticed. >> reporter: good morning, hallie. approaching the capitol, i was struck by now everyone around the campus dressed in black on this hot, muggy day. it is unusual. it tells you this is a day of solemn, important ritual. also the cameras lining the streets along the campus of the capitol, telling you that there is a big event planned here. when i first arrived to the capitol, my thought was, i needed to, at first, stop at senator mccain's office, which is in this building, one floor below, just to pause there for a moment and then come here and be in position for our conversation this morning. when you talk about the history, it goes back to abraham lincoln. john mccain would have thought he was unworthy of that. that's how he described himself often, as you know. today will be a day for the capitol community to remember, to honor. expect nom lausome laughter but of talk about the senator. >> i want to bring in steve dupree, a close friend to
mccain, a close adviser to his presidential campaign, and also a pallbearer earlier for the services in arizona. thank you for sharing memories about your long-time friend. we, moments ago, saw senator mccain's casket leaving the funeral home and heading toward the capitol. you had a chance to visit with him regularly before his death. can you tell me what the moments were like for you? >> john mccain had a great last year, as you know. he was effective as a member of the senate. even when he was at his cabin in sedona, he stayed in the game and made a lot of important policy announcements. he was great to visit with. he was -- we had a great last year of his life. got to see a lot of folks he wanted to see. wrote a book. significant speeches. his sense of humor was with him until the end of his life. we had a lot of fun and a lot of laughs. >> you were there for some of the key moments of john mccain's career, his political career, particularly in new hampshire. you wrote recently about your
memories of him in new hampshire. the idea that it was kind of the perfect state for him, steve. somebody who was a straight shooter, prided himself on being a straight shooter, going to a place that, as we know well, the voters with also straight shooters. want to note, you're seeing members of the senate staff walking into the rotunda. it is going to be happening for the next few minutes. the governor's mayor of washington entered the north entrance. we expect to see senator mccain's casket enter from the east. steve, when you talk about senator mccain's connection to new hampshire, what do you remember the most? what will you take away from that? >> he loved the interaction with voters because he said they never failed to remind him that he was the employee. they asked tough questions. if they department like tidn't questions, they told him he was full of horse manure. he loved the back and forth. it energized him. he fell in love with the state. twice he won there.
particularly in the summer of the 2007, when his summer was near dead and he had no money, the 50 state strategy became survive new hampshire, so he always had a great affection for the state. i juiused to say, you should ha been johnny carson's sidekick. he loved the jokes. they were old and tired, but people loved them. >> steve, i appreciate you sharing some of your memories of the senator with us here. we want to mention what you're seeing now. we saw harry kisi singer and roberta mccain, mccain's mother. the senator wrote about her and his childhood growing up. it was like a mobile classroom. she was extroverted, feisty. much has been made about how she loved to hop in the car, maybe get speeding tickets on the way. years ago, she suffered a stroke. she's here now. she's somebody as jeff mason, who is joining me now, knows
well, spoke about her son when he was in the world of politics. 2007/2008, she was out there with him, supporting him, of course, as any mother would do. >> for sure. she was an active member of the campaign in 2008. she was certainly a huge supporter of her son. she also liked to be in the fmi and was. as senator mccain's whole family was. the campaign in 2008 that i had the privilege to cover with kelly and others was a family affair. that included not only his mom but certainly his wife, cindy, and all of his kids. >> i'd like, michael, you to share some of your thoughts here, as you look at the luminaries, frankly, the political big names coming in. joe lieberman we spotted in the back of the room. this is a who's who in the world of washington and around country. >> it is. particularly cool to see joe lieberman there. you go back to mccain's relationship with him.
a lot of members on the other side of the aisle, which was really definitional for a lot of folks in washington. i guess you could say, given where we are today, part of the bygone era, you know. members actually talked to each other. they liked each other. to jeff's point, they knew each other's families and spent time together. mccain was really a reflection of that in so many ways. that sense of washington, that piece of washington, is increasingly being lost ws paite passing of a ted kennedy and a john mccain. you see, as each generation begins to step off the stage, there's not a generation, in my view right now, as i look at the senate especially, that's willing to step up into the space. tell me who. i mean, not so much who is the next mccain or the next senator ted kennedy, but who is the next one to add least have a piece of the torch that they're willing to hold up and share with the
country? it is not so much about being anti-trump, and a lot of people put mccain in the box, if he was a never trump. no, it was about principle and values. it was about core ideas that he thought still mattered. i think a lot of people in the country thought still mattered. >> you know, i wanted to add, hallie, looking at the television screen, you saw warren bwa warren beatty, one of the pallbearers for senator mccain. it is another example of how senator mccain reached over the aisle. we hear so much dabout the hollywood elite and liberals. warren beatty is one of the pallbearers for the great republican senator, john mccain. >> you're looking at a live shot from outside the capitol. inside, house members are being asked to gather on the house floor, led by house speaker paul rye on, fir
ryan, elected to congress 16 years after mccain first won his house seat. mccain had moved on to the senate before ryan worked at the house. you cover paul ryan and members of congress. what do we expect to hear from paul ryan when the ceremony begins after 11:00, within the next hour here? he spoke highly of john mccain. >> absolutely. john mccain is somebody that everybody -- most everybody you talk to in washington is going to speak highly of. a lot of these people feel like they grew up with mccain as a kind of mentor of sorts. whether, you know, hand-in-hand or just watching what mccain does. i think an important context here is that among all the warm and fuzzies we're going to hear, mccain also spent the last year of his life basically lecturing congress for not working. as soon as he got diagnosed with brain cancer, he went to the senate floor and had the other 99 members there and said, you guys aren't working. you forgot bipartisanship, to michael's point. that is an echo in today's
memorial service. >> we are watching live the arrivals of political dignitaries at the u.s. capitol. the next couple minutes, we expect to see the joint chiefs of staff, as well as other members of president trump's administration. i want to bring you back to detroit. former president bill clinton is going to be speaking at aretha franklin's funeral. he just arrived at the church. i want to show you how that went. bill and hillary clinton arriving in detroit to applause, cheers. shaking the hands of people as they make their way in. this is part of the processional at the church in detroit. about 10:20 or so. the next couple minutes, we expect the first prayers to begin. this is, again, michael, an intersection here of aretha franklin's legacy. not just in the world of music but politics, too. >> it is curious, how these two
events lined up on the same day. pretty much the same hour. you can say, yes, one is politics, and one is intertaen n entertainme entertainment, but to michelle's point earlier, there is a nexus. aretha franklin was not just a singer. >> no. >> she was not just an entertainer. she was someone who engaged in the movement. and still to the day, you know, that she had passed, she was still very much concerned about the country and a lot of the big issues out there. john mccain, again, to michelle's point about, you know, hollywood coming to washington, to be a part of the mccain ceremony. you can see this intersection very nicely. >> as we look live now at the church in detroit, jennifer hudson coming in. she is expected to perform later on during the ceremony. we're going to sneak in a quick break. back at the capitol, the joint chiefs of staff have arrived, as that procession
continues. much more to come here on msnbc. we'll be right back. >> john's legacy is going to continue to inspire and challenge generations of leaders, as they step forward. john mccain's impact on america is not over. it is not hyperbole. it is not over. i don't think it is even close. , causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. the secret is an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
pete williams, who is joining us with breaking news out of the department of justice. what's going on? >> well, hallie, this appears to be a case that has arisen from the special counsel's investigation of paul manafort, but it is not directly related to manafort. it is only distantly so. it is not brought by the special counsel. it is brought by the u.s. attorney's office here in washington. it charges an american named samuel patten, who has done a lot of lobbying work for governments overseas, the kind of work paul manafort has done. it says that he violated the foreign agent's registration act. that is a federal law that says if you're going to lobby in the u.s. on behalf of a foreign government, you have to register. what this information says, that's a legal document indicating that he intends to plead guilty, and there is a plea agreement hearing, the court docket says now, for half an hour from now in federal court here in washington. it says he was working for a
company that was doing lobbying work on behalf of ukraine which, of course, is the country that paul manafort was doing his lobbying for. it says that he was lobbying for them from -- beginning around 2014 to the present, and that some of his work included lobbying members of congress in the u.s., meeting with executive branch officials, preparing things for the news media in the u.s., all doing this work for ukraine but failing to register. now, there's no direct connection, as i say, in these court documents to paul manafort himself. it is known that samuel patten at one point was the boss of a man nawho is a co-defendant wit manafort in the trial coming up in washington. me and manafort are accused of witness tampering, trying to influence people who might testify in the trial with manafort. there is no allegation that what patten was doing in this work
involved him, but there is a connection. these people sort of all knew each other. there is the development here. not a huge thing as these things go. interesting, incremental movement, you might say. >> pete williams from our washington bureau. thank you. this morning, we are honoring the lives of two iconic americans. one, a pioneer in the world of music. the other, a driving force in american politics for generations. coming up, much more on the lives of aretha franklin and john mccain. live, next. live, next crest 3d white removes... ...95% of surface stains in just 3 days... ...for a whiter smile... that will win them over. crest. healthy, beautiful smiles for life.
we're back. as you take a look at live pictures out of detroit, where luminaries, musicians, people that are high-profile in the world of music and politics from all around the world are celebrating the life and legacy of aretha franklin. this is the beginning, as you take a look at ariana grande there, of what is set to be a five-hour ceremony. this is an all day affair to remember the iconic singer. looks like ariana grande is shaking hands with hillary clinton. her fiance, snl star next to her, eric holder, i believe. the former attorney general there. some photographs inside the church. we expect to also hear not just from bill clinton but the reverends jesse jackson and al sharpton, who will read a letter from obama.
stevie wonder and jennifer hudson will perform. ron mott is there. ron, we're close to start time. maybe running a little behind schedule. no surprise as everybody greets each other, shares memories of a a -- aretha franklin. >> reporter: all the big names you mentioned, certainly, people appreciate them being here, but the family of franklin, the people she'd really want to be here are the folks you see lined up back here. this is the everyday man and woman who loved this woman, in particular, aretha franklin. so synonymous with detroit. though born in memphis, she came here as a little girl, and one day, her father had the good sense to put a microphone in front of her. the rest, as they say, is history. 76 years. she packed a lot in the 76 years. we were just talking with some of the folks as they wait to get inside about why they waited so
long. some were here as early as last night and spent the night out here. the family reversed what we thought the position was going to be. we thought it was just going to be a private, invitation only, but the turnout all week was so incredible, they decided, let's get the fans inside the church today. they'll let about 1,000 people in. some of the people waited all night. they said it was worth it to be here, to pay their final respects to their queen. that's how they view her here in detroit. it is their queen. hallie? >> ron mott, thank you for that. we watch the live images coming out of the church in detroit. in washington, we're also watching live images, as vice president mike pence gets ready to arrive on capitol hill. we expect to see the body of senator john mccain also arrive on the hill shortly. his remains are being transferred from the funeral home in northwest washington. the motorcade will end up at the u.s. capitol. the joint chiefs of staff are inside. including joint chiefs of chair
general joseph dunford, who said mccain exemplified what it meant to be a war rrior and dedicated public servant. we'll see senators walk in shortly. they're gathering on the senate floor now, led by majority leader mitch mcconnell, who served for years, for decades, with john mccain. vice president and mrs. pence will also be arriving shortly. take a look now. senator john mccain traveling to the capitol one last time. let me bring in kelly o'donnell, joining me here live. who are you seeing? who are you talking to? >> reporter: well, this is so far been a day where there is the community of the capitol, which is something that living here and covering this place, we understand, but it may not be as well-known around the country. the u.s. capitol is, in many ways, like a college campus. it is a city within the city. today is a chance for the people who work here, from staff members who are in the political
realm, to the staff that carries out the operations of the capitol, those are not political jobs, to pay their respects. today, it is notable that it is the vice president who will represent the administration. mike pence has been on good terms with john mccain for a very long time. i know that he has spoken with the senator's widow, cindy mccain, and expressed condolences and affection for the family. that'll be part of what we'll see play out today. so much of what we will see, as he makes the turn across from the building where his office has been for decades, this is a very poignant moment for john mccain. he was a member of the u.s. house and then elected six times by the people of arizona to serve as the united states senate. he often would say united states senator. he enjoyed the full title in our banter in the hallways and in talking about his role. he believed that he was, first and foremost, to be a servant of
the people of arizona and then also men and women in uniform around the world. he often told me what he thought was his most important role, was to be a voice for national security and international affairs. i think, hallie, when next you and i cover a crisis, an issue, his voice will be so notably absent in the debate. that's something that after these events of memory and celebration are over, the void will be so palpable in days to come. today will be about service, celebration and, in some ways, the people of the capitol community also feel these rituals are important. because at a time in the sort of momentary politics of the day, where there are plenty of reasons and lots of instances of people being frustrated and unhappy with their elected leaders in congress, this is a time to remember what these institutions are supposed to be about, in terms of serving the public and charting the course
of history, generation by generation. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell. thank you. as we take a look live at the hearse pulling up to the east entrance to the capitol. with us now is mike murphy, republican strategist and former adviser to john mccain. the motorcade is carrying not just the e remains of the senat but also cindy mccain, his kids, his grandkids. you witnessed the relationship that senator mccain had with his family. talk to us about that. >> it was a very close family. he was somebody who lived life with great gusto. when he wasn't doing political stuff, there was always these family trips. i remember after we lost one of the presidential campaigns, i think 2000, you know, candidates go kind of retreat to somewhere. he led the family on an exotic trip. i can't remember if it was fiji or antarctica. they were always going somewhere and doing something.
he had this compound, i guess is the best word, up in se ddona, which became a bird sanctuary. it was irrigated. he'd be leading hikes. he was non-stop action. he loved them. they loved him. >> mike, why is it? we take a look at what we're watching here. the nation really pausing to remember, and certainly all of washington pausing to member and honor john mccain. why do you think his death as struck such a cord around the country? >> there is something about john that strikes a cord, particularly when people are uneasy about the country. i worked on the 2000 campaign, the original straight talk express. mccain went from relative obscurity to rocketing up. the country kind of found him at a time where people had lost faith in politics. it was during the clinton scandals. there was this loss of faith. mccain comes up with straight talk, being credentialed by his non-stop service to the country, and people kind of grabbed onto that.
that's what gave our campaign so much power. i think we're in a similar situation now. there's our politics that are incredibly divided. almost as many people say a reality show. we have an unconventional, to try to be kind about it, president in donald trump. they see mccain's lifetime of service, his dedication to a cause greater than his own self-interest, and that becomes a reassuring and inspiring thing. i think what john would say if he was watching this coverage, one, he'd mock it and say, i hope they run a primetime special on my screw-ups because it could be three-hours long, because he was humble about that, but he'd say hopefully the example of his life can impact the next generation. politics doesn't have to be the lowest common denominator, name-calling food fight. it can be something better. i think mccain will hope his life inspires that. >> perhaps a powerful sim billion of the unity that mccain worked for in parts of his life when you look at who is going to be eulogizing him.
former president barack obama. former president george w. bush. two of these fiercest political opponents in the hard-fought presidential campaigns. >> very much a john thing. he didn't pick his best friends. he's trying to use this moment to show the country that your opponents do not have to be your enemies personally. that's the way it used to be. i think something people don't know about john was near the end of his career in the navy, his assignment was to be the navy's man in the u.s. senate. that was not a partisan job. that was defending the institution of the navy, national security. he worked closely and had a lot of friendships with senators in both parties. he got to see the old senate with the lines when it worked. it made a huge impact. those are the politics he believed in. it's the kind of politics that built the country. i think he's trying to send the message now with his last act of support. >> mike murphy, we're lucky to have you on the show.
i think i'll owe ssee you tomort the national cathedral. jeff mason, you covered senator mccain. we expect at any moment to see his family walk the east steps of the capitol there before the ceremony begins at the rotunda in about 25 minutes from now. >> yeah. i was just thinking about some of the highlights of the campaign and the relationship he had with obama. it was certainly a heated campaign, and they disagreed on lots of issues with regard to policy, but there was an underlying respect there. it came out in moments like the famous one where john mccain was at a campaign event where a woman said she didn't trust obama because he was an arab. mccain gently but very forcefully said, no, man, he is a family man. we just have big disagreements. i also remember a lighter moment where both senator mccain and then senator obama were speaking at a dinner. they were hilarious about each other. sort of poking fun at some of their own foibles and what
they'd said about each other, and also about the other candidate. i think that underlying respect continued in the years after mccain lost the election to obama. despite the fact he continued to press then-president obama on policies with which he disagreed. >> michael steele, you were also familiar with the campaign. you traveled with john mccain. campaigned for him. >> yeah. >> you were rumored to be in the mix to be a running mate at one point. >> name popped up from time to time. no, i was a great admirer. i like to consider myself a friend of mccain's in that sense. we worked well together. he certainly was extremely helpful to me when i ran for the u.s. senate. he would give me advice from time to time. when i was national chairman, i remember one particular moment where, yet again under fire in the press about something i'd said or done, he saw me and said, just keep going. just keep going. that, to me, was very empowering.
he did that. he found ways to empower people because he knew -- or at least had some sense of what those difficult walks could be like. in those difficult walks, particularly in this town, as all the folks a this table know, it's hard to find friends. when jeff is breaking a story on you, it is hard to find a friend sometimes. you know, to come and give you a pat on the back and say, okay, it is just one story. when the fifth and sixth story comes, that's when you really need the friends. john mccain understood that. there's a lot of respect in washington for him for that. i think that's something that particularly, again, in this climate, a lot of folks don't get to see every day. i think we're going to miss it. i think there's a hot lot of th that john mccain did and said that in weeks and months from now, people are going to go, wow. i wonder what john would have said. >> let's take a moment. john mccain's family gathered at the top of the steps. the east entrance to the
capitol. john mccain's wife, his kids from both marriages. meghan mccain in the sunglasses in the middle, she has been a voice for her father over the last year or so. had that incredibly emotional moment with former vice president joe biden, who spoke at the arizona services yesterday. talked about his memories of his long-time friend, his wingm man in a way, as we now see the casket of senator mccain being removed from the hearse. it'll be transported to the rotunda over the next few minutes here. >> i'm struck by something you brought up. vice president biden's eulogy in arizona. pull this up here, we shall not
see his like again. that's how biden closed this. these memorial services really feel like a juxtaposition of what mccain was and where he wanted politics to be and where things are going. i look at who is speaking, you know. mccain clearly wanted to send a message that he is bipartisan. it is okay to compromise. then he's not inviting the people who really represent where the republican party is right now, and that's, of course, president trump, his own vice presidential nominee, sarah palin, reported to not be invited. mccain is trying to send, i feel, a clear message of where he wants the nation to go in the era of trump. michael said, people will wonder, what will mccain say in this moment? he wants us to look at the memorial and hear him say, bipartisanship is okay. >> senator john mccain preparing to enter the u.s. capitol for one last time.
on the right, that is the capitol rotunda where friends, staffers, family members, political dignitaries, political core, joint chiefs of staff, some of the political cabinet joined to say good-bye. the beginning of his washington farewell here. >> senator mccain really represented the best of what america could be. if you think about the state of arizona that he hailed from, you'll remember the show me your papers law that came into effect, all the problems with joseph arpaio, the way that certain members of the republican party have really den graded people . i had so much respect for mccain, who never went there. at one point in time, people were saying senator mccain had had an affair with a black woman because he had a daughter from bangladesh who was very brown at
the time. he stood for his family. during the 2008 campaign, barack obama was really denigrated, and senator mccain stood for him. he said he was an honorable man and no one had anything to fear of an obama presidency. that was in the middle of a heated campaign. >> let's pause for a second as the rain begins to fall in washington. senator john mccain, the east entrance to the capitol. his family watching from the stairs as the ceremony begins.
>> senator john mccain entering the u.s. capitol. his flag-draped casket leading the way, followed by members of his family. cindy mccain putting her hand over her heart as her husband's remains passed by. you hear the rain hitting the ground out there. it just started to begin pouring here in washington in the last couple of minutes. in about 15 minutes from now, we will see the ceremony begin, the remembrance service for the senator. we bring in presidential historian, president of the lbj foundation, the former director of the lynd linden johnson libr. that is the catafalque that lincoln's casket sat on. >> the great emancipator. meant so much to our nation. someone wrote of lincoln, you can't measure a tree until it is down. i think we're seeing that with
john mccain. we're seeing how great this man truly was and what he meant to our country. concurrently, as you pointed out earlier in the hour, aretha franklin's memorial service is being conducted. of course, she is known for that iconic song, "respect," which may have been an unofficial anthem in the civil rights movement. in so many ways, john mccain stood for respect. he respected his opponents on the other side of the aisle. he respected the american people. he respected our institutions. he respected our allies. respect is certainly something that is lacking in american discourse today. >> mark, stay with us here. we've been showing some live images. you can see, for example, nancy pelosi there. moments before that, chief of staff kelly. senator lindsey graham. attorney general jeff sessions is here, as well. some members of the president's cabin cabinet. deputy attorney general rod
rosenstein we saw, too. jeff, the president had asked for some of the cabinet members, for example, he wanted his national security adviser, john bolden, to attend in his absence, as the president is getting ready to head to north carolina later. senator mccain's family walking into the rotunda. >> certainly striking, the people who are there and then the people who are not. president trump is traveling today. he will not be showing up at the capitol and will not be attending the funeral tomorrow. it is not just probably because he doesn't feel comfortable going but also because the mccain family does not feel comfortable having him there. that is an outgrowth of the very deep feud, really, between the two men. the president, of course, sort of started the week that way, too, with the controversy over not initially having the flag on monday be lowered at half-staff over at the white house. he does have members of his administration there. that shows the fact that it
is -- there are differences in the administration about the respect that they have and others have for this remarkable senator. >> that includes secretary of defense james mattis. he greeted cindy mccain last night for the arrival of the senator's casket. earlier this week, he said the u.s. has lost a great patriot in john mccain. john mccain's military service, as much a part of his legacy as the political service, of course, michael. >> yeah. again, the confluence of images and people at this service is probably an important part of the narrative, as well. it says a lot about how john mccain prioritized people in this final moment. that he wanted to be a part of the statement that he's making to the country. the former members of his campaign who are not there, his vice presidential running mate, the president of the united states. then others who are there,
warren beatty and what we saw yesterday with vice president bid biden. he is, i think, really committed, even in death, to remind us that there are better angels in us. we're not going to be subject to this vileness that's infected our politics today. he really resented that quite a bit. >> told that at this moment, behind the scenes, they're actually changing out the flag that had draped john mccain's casket because it was wet in the rain. >> i wondered about that. >> as it moved from the hearse, carried up inside the east steps of the capitol. there will be a dry american flag draping mccain's casket. we expect to see that emerge into the rotunda here sometime in the next 10, 12 minutes. mark, we talk about -- and michael steele talked about this some, and i'd like your thoughts on this, the idea that at this moment in time, there is a public outpouring of support and
of love for senator john mccain. can you talk about why you think that is? >> you know, there are points in our history where we come together as a nation. it often happens around the death of a president. the death of a president. we don't lose a republican president or a democratic president. we lose our president. we come together as a nation to celebrate the values that that person reflected. and that's the case was john mccain. john mccain was as big in american life as a former president. we're seeing that as the nation focuses on his memorial service. as you've said, so eloquently, as well as some of your guests, john mccain stands for everything today that we are lacking. he stood for honor and decency and service over self and country over party. i think that's why americans are enjoying this moment and hopefully, they're not just celebrating his legacy. hopefully, we are dedicated to
emulating it. >> vice president mike pence walking into the rotunda with his wife karen. vice president will be making remarks in just about a half an hour or so walking over greeting john mccain's mom roberta. we understand that the vice president's spoking with cindy mccain earlier in the week. you can see the between karen pence and roberta mccain. she's 106 years old and come to be here to say good-bye to her son. she thought she lost him before when he was held captive at the hanoi hilton. she thought her son died then. best news she heard was he was captured. she said imagine hearing that and thinking it was good news. mitch mcconnell and paul ryan will also be making remarks, as well. >> i saw -- it was interesting to see former secretary of defense bill cohen and his wife janet, kellyanne conway, chuck schumer, barbara comstock who
has a difficult race coming up in the state of virginia and then the connection of john mccain today to abraham lincoln. we so often today hear so many members of mike steele's party that like to say that the republican party is the republican party of lincoln. and maybe john mccain represented the republican party of abraham lincoln but what is it today? >> you're now seeing a redressed casket of john mccain entering the rotunda. let's take a minute and just listen.
the u.s. capitol police have just taken over from the honor guard to stand watch over senator john mccain's casket. not a dry eye in the house it looks like. michael steele if a moment that transcends party. >> and we give you thanks, almighty god, for the appearance among us of great men and women hong serve as inspirations for all americans to be their best in service to god, country, and neighbor. this day, we honor a true
american hero, senator john mccain. he dedicated his entire life to public service as a vocation, first in the military, and then in elected office. he placed himself directly in harm's way during the vietnam war in his great sacrifice of personal freedom is well-known. as a senator, he served with honesty and integrity working both with those with whom he agreed and many with whom he did not. his willingness to speak the truth as he understood it, even when it was not politically expedient to do so, proved to be a rare phenomenon. for that reason, it was all the more precious. as we continue this celebration
of honor, grant that all who attend to these proceedings might transcend smallness and limitation and emerge as people desirous of being our best sevls in service to all our brothers and sisters as you might call each of to be. dear lord, thank you for inspiring such greatness in senator john mccain and continue to bless the united states of america. amen. >> you're listening to the house chaplain deliver an invocation, patrick conroy up next. we expect to hear forever senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. >> mr. vice president,
mr. speaker, colleagues, distinguished guests, and the mccain family, it's an honor to welcome you this morning. we gather to recognize a great loss and celebrate a great life. we celebrate six decades of devotion to the american idea and the cause of human freedom. generations of americans will continue to marvel at the man who lies before us. the cocky, handsome, naval avate tore who barely scraped through school and then fought for freedom in the skies. who witnessed to our highest values even through terrible torture. and who became a generational leader in the united states
senate where our nation airs its great debates. now, airing our great debates is a gentle way to describe how john approached the work of a senator. i've long joked his guards at the hanoi hilton probably needed group therapy after john was finished with them. let's just say there were times when some of his senate colleagues were tempted to form a support group of our own. he treated every issue with the intensity the people's business deserved. he would fight tooth and nail for his vision of the common good, depending on the issue, you knew john would either be your staunchest ally or your most stubborn opponent. at any moment, he might be preparing an eloquent reflection on human liberty or a devastating joke served up with
his signature cackle and that john mccain glint in his eye. he had america's fighting spirit, our noble idealism, our solemn patriotism, and our slightly irrevent streak all rolled into one. i will miss a dear friend whose smile reminded us that service is a privilege. and whose scars reminded us of the great cost that brave souls pay for our freedom. john felt like family. but of course, it is cindy and roberta and request joe and doug, andy, sidney, meghan, jack, jimmy and bridget who could truly call this man their own. on behalf of the senate and the