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>> it is treason. >> another guilty plea on the outside. >> i see papadopoulos today, i don't know papadopoulos. >> another camp campaign aide is sentenced. mueller has his sights set on a bigger target. >> the threat to our democracy doesn't just come from donald trump. it is indifference. >> president obama's return to the campaign trail. >> you are the antidote. >> i began by telling the president there was a cancer growing on the presidency. >> dire warning from a man who would know on the last day of the kavanaugh hearing. >> there is now a cancer on the presidency? >> yes, i would agree with that.
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>> all in starts now. >> good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. 60 days from the midterm election. including tonight a report that his private business empire, a thing that defines him above all else is in the cross hairs of a federal probe. inside the white house the president and closest aides are reportedly turning the west wing upside down to try to identify the anonymous author of the op-ed. asked by a reporter if he thinks the attorney general should investigate who wrote it, the president responded he does. claiming the op-ed is a matter of national security. after issuing denials yesterday, administration officials are going the extra mile to claim
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their innocence. throwing down the gauntlet. >> the "new york times" if you are listening, if someone told you i wrote the piece, you are allowed to announce that. it is totally not me. >> maybe the president should challenge every single one of the officials who issued statements yesterday to follow suit. all of those under-lings are the least of the president's worries. they are not the ones investigating him for obstruction of justice and conspiracy. as negotiations draw on and on, the president sounds less eager. >> you and rudy are saying
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you're not willing to answer questions to mueller about obstruction. >> number one, there is no obstruction. in two, everybody that looked at anybody over there. i don't know papadopoulos. i don't know him. i saw him sitting at one table. i don't know him. but they got him on i guess a couple of laws ies is what they saying. >> speaking of papadopoulos. and his lawyer made an extraordinary argument according to reporters in the courtroom that the president of the united states hindered the investigation far more than the lawyer's client by launching a fake news campaign and calling the probe a witch hunt. papadopoulos was sentenced to just two weeks behind bars.
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the first of the felons close to the president to be sentenced to prison. though paul manafort has been locked up. the grand jury in the mueller probe was meeting in the same courthouse today. where far right conspiracy theorist coarsy to appear. corsy has told that he would like to fight the special counsel. >> let's go outside of the justice department, let's duke it out. you want to behave like a thug, this is what you deserve. >> okay. today after his lawyers say he plans to cooperate, corsy was a no show. the man he called his back challenge to wikileak julian
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assange. >> how much of the questioning? >> very little. >> no. don't. the majority of the question he had with roger stone. the specific questions we are not going to get into. >> god bless lawyers. another sign that the special counsel may be closing in on the president's long time ally and advisor. tonight there is this. a single source report that federal prosecutors in new york did not end their investigation with michael cohen's guilty plea but are now examining whether executives at the trump organization violated campaign laws. i am joined by nancy gertner retired federal judge and harry litman. nancy, let me start with you.
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a lot of people trying to make sense of the sentence today. 14 days what papadopoulos pled to you, what do you think? >> the guidelines were within six months. so i don't think it means anything except that be the judge saw a 29-year-old or a younger man who seemed to be showing remorse. and the government really wasn't pressing. the government didn't say anything with respect to probation and six months. i think they saw it, the judge would have seen this as the kid is showing remorse. some time was necessary, but i don't think it has significance beyond that. it was a minor plea agreement. >> harry, let's talk about the roger stone part of this. it has seemed clear for a while that mueller's zeroing in on
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stone. my question to you having worked in the justice department. do you think today, which is 60-day to the midterm, do you think that the justice department can't bring anything in the 60-day windows applies to roger stone? >> no. no as we have learned from giuliani's false assertions before. no direct policy. i think the argument is stronger than indicting stone doesn't have a direct affect on any particular election though it is not good news for trump. now we do know that when mueller proffered his list of questions to trump, it included things specifically about stone. and stone has bragged about his relationship and prior knowledge
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with both wikileaks and julian assange. so this indictment if it comes could actually bring what has been activity across the atlantic that grew computer hacking indictment in particular to our shores and close to trump. >> from the trump perspective, the indictment on the russian side, the conspiracy. if stone were indicted in connection with that, that would be an enormous deal, right? that would be seismic. >> that would be the link. >> right. >> stone, and to much less degree papadopoulos are the link between the campaign and wikileaks and the russians. it would not be new to some degree. stones bragging about his relationship to assange was i think sort of central to this. the only difference is now to be indicted for this. one other thing about the
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questions for the president, i wonder if the reason why mueller is going to question the president rather than a grand jury subpoena is he simply does not want to be litigating the subpoena issue. in other words getting questions at least getting something as opposed to what any other prosecutor would have done. >> they have played out the strings on this. they haven't given them anything yet. there is also this news today. there is a lot. when you are sitting and looking at the president's legal. >> just another friday. >> remarkable. so corsy doesn't show up. papadopoulos doesn't plea. and manafort weighing plea deal to avoid new criminal trial source says. this is single sourced i believe. the idea that in between trials one and two, manafort may be talking to mueller about
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possibly cooperating. what do you make of that? >> it came up before. a flirtation with that. he is broke and he knows he is going to be convicted in d.c. in other words i think the cooperation he is looking to make is just to surrender and let them take him but not this full on cooperation. i think it is to lay down his hand and let the sentences come. >> let me ask you this -- >> cooperation just to plead? >> yeah, that would be my best guess. he is looking -- >> cutting his losses. >> let me ask you this nancy, we have jerome corsy who is a figure who circled different orbits. he was mainstream when he authored the swift boat book of
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john kerry. he is a conspiracy theorist, an associate of roger stone. and he is now the second associate of roger stone who hasn't shown up. and a third balked at showing up and what does a judge do when someone like him says screw your subpoena. >> asking for a contempt finding and an arrest warrant that is what they would do. that is not even a close question. you don't say never mind. >> they will do that here? >> i don't think there is any question about whether they would do that. harry, wouldn't the government go for that? i mean you basically set up your point of civil disobedience. >> it is super cheeky, but already been in touch with a lawyer. i can foresee scenarios where they, you know, say he will be in tuesday where he thinks he
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has even bigger fish to fry. i have seen the government do exactly that. >> final question here on this idea that, there question when michael cohen pleads, one of the things he pleads to is campaign finance violation. he says the president of the united states directs me to it and the information provided within that plea is there are two executives who did not know about it. one is wiseleberg. today the idea the southern district if new york is looking at campaign violations by trump or executives, you would tend to 0 in on whoever executive number two is. and it is a small list of people most related to the president. >> mueller knows. and not just related to the president. the organization is related to the president. this puts the screws to him in a
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serious way without having to deal with authority questions of civil liability. between mueller and new york ag, they are coming at the financial empire. possible civil rico charges. that is serious pressure even though it is not criminal. >> and that persists regardless of what happens to mueller. >> in parallel. it didn't end with michael cohen and you have sdny still on the case. got to sit there long and hard. great to have you both. >> thank you. >> more on today's develops. i am joined by republican congressman. you can play ball. i saw a clip, i asked on twitter today who is the ball player in congress, and you can genuinely hoop. >> that is very true. >> i like it.
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>> we will play some time. but i am ready for your questions. >> okay. first of all, michael cohen stood up in a federal courthouse a few weeks ago and he said under oath and there is reason the guy has credibility problem but he said under oath that the president of the united states directed him to commit a federal felony, a violation of campaign finance law to bury information. does that trouble you, the president was accused in court directing a felony. >> certainly. and most reports that i have read indicate that what concerns them most is what michael cohen knows and might testify to much more than the russia issue. >> are you confident that the a thorough look at the president's finances, his tax returns would not yield any felonies or indictable offenses or crimes
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committed by the president? >> i have no way of knowing one way or another. but to be more direct, i do have confidence that prosecutors in the mueller investigation is going to unearth everything that there is to unearth. if there is wrongdoing, they will find it. and further more why when folks get frustrated with congress, particularly republicans in congress, that is what the mueller investigation is doing -- go ahead. >> finish your thought. >> they seem to be doing a robust thought in finding truth. and getting those who have done wrongdoing to cooperate to get to the bottom of what may have happened. >> there are two tracks. one is on the investigation, i think what they say more is, it is bad to sabotage the investigation in the way that
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many people feel devin nunes and others have done. pull at the threads that may have been public. other things, just the president's general fitness. i want to play some reaction to the anonymous op-ed describing the president as fundamentally unfit. take a listen. >> there wasn't much new information there. all of us have said for a long time, glad there are people who are willing particularly those publicly, like jeff sessions to push back >> it is just so similar to what so many of us hear from senior people around the white house three times a week. so it is really troubling in a way not surprising. >> this is what all of us have understood to be the situation from day one. i understand this is the case. and that's why i think all of us
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encourage the good people that are around the president to stay. >> is that your reaction? >> i think in large measures stood. and i think the woodward book may enunciate that or embellish upon that further. what the president does, it rallies. the base loves him when he does that. my follow-up to that is everyone in america can watch that and in the swing districts where folks are focused on what you are saying and what you are doing, they don't like that. now we can talk about the political implications because i think republicans have a good chance of holding the house. if you are asking me about my frustrations with what the president does and says and some of the character flaws i am there. >> i want to go one step further. if you have people close to the president inside the white house who say he is fundamentally
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unfit. anonymous unelected folks take things off his desk, that seems democratic untenable. if he is unfit from office, he should be removed. >> couple of things, senator corker took the shot with the adult day care thing. i take issue, i don't know who wrote it. the only thing i can guarantee is who is elected next is going to have an anonymous op-ed published. i would take more stock in bob woodward what he wrote in his book. >> a terrific basketball player. >> one last thing. 3% wage increase growth year after year. that was the other thing that came out today. >> the wage numbers look good although nonsupervisory still
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low. i agree. tight labor markets. appreciate you being here. >> thanks for having me here. >> i am joined by congressman ted liu. is it an untenable state of affairs there -- the president is unfit but we are going to go ahead anyway. >> absolutely. and about this white house official, i think what he has done is really confirmed from the inside what we have seen in the outside which is donald trump is unfit for president. and he can't go around and try to resist the president anonymously. he needs to be public and come forward and convince the american people and if he can't do, that he needs to resign. as a staff member he was not elected and you can't. have the voters make a decision. >> i want to ask you what i
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asked harry litman. is your understanding is that they would not be able to bring an indictment. >> i think special counsel mueller could bring an indictment. i don't think he will. he could certainly bring in indictments afterwards. i think note that rudy giuliani said this investigation was going to end on september 1st clearly it is not ending. this investigation is going to continue and there is no time line for when it ends. >> should the president be subpoenaed? >> if he doines not talk to special counsel mueller, he should. he has a right to plead the 5th amendment but doesn't have a
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right to ignore the request from the special counsel. >> isn't there some level which american voters should know what is known or knowable about what the president did or didn't do? >> absolutely. so you have again, the senior white house official trying to resist within the administration. but you have this complicit gop congress. to be an adequate checks and balance on the presidency. and in 60 days the voters across america have the ability to change it if they want to. >> swing districts out in california. what do you see as the driver for voters in the swing districts that are close to your district in southern california. >> i think donald trump is one driver. but also the republicans have
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tried to sabotage health care and try to take away pre existing coverage. that is weighing on people's minds. and then the breathtaking corruption. multiple people that have been indicted or pled guilty. all of these will be drivers in the election >> your colleague in the california caucus duncan hunter. congressman, good to have you. >> thank you. >> a new entrant to the midterm fight. as president obama returns to the campaign trail and what he says are dangerous times. in his own words in two minutes. how can we say when you book direct at choicehotels.com
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they like to use the impeach word. he didn't do anything wrong. it doesn't matter. we will impeach him.
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how do you impeach someone who is doing a great job. it is so ridiculous. but worry about that if it ever happens. but if it does happen, it is your fault because you didn't go out to vote. you didn't go out to vote. >> the president was in montana riffing about impeachment. meanwhile, we got a pretty stark contrast from democrats. for the first time in history a former president inserted himself in the national election. president obama delivered a speech. a call to arms to american voters. >> did not start with donald trump. he is a symptom not the cause. he is just capitalizing on resentments that politicians have been fanning for years. a fear and anger that is rooted
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in our past but also born out of the enormous upheavals that is taking place in your brief lifetimes. in a healthy democracy, there are some checks and balances on this kind of behavior, this kind of inconsistency. but right now, there is nothing. republicans who know better in congress and they are there, they're quoted saying, yeah, we know this is kind of crazy are still bending over backwards to shield this behavior from scrutiny or consequence. seem utterly unwilling to find the backbones. it shouldn't be democratic or republican to say that we don't threaten the freedom of the press because they say things or
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publish stories that we don't like. i complain plenty about fox news. but you never heard me threaten to shut them down. or call them enemies of the people. it shouldn't be democratic or republican to say we don't target certain groups of people based on what they look like or how they pray. we are americans we are supposed to stand up to bullies and not follow them. we are supposed to stand up to discrimination. and we are sure as heck supposed to stand up clearly and unequivocally to nazi sympathizers. how hard can that be saying that
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nazis are bad. this is not normal. so these are extraordinary times. and think are dangerous times. but here is the good news. in two months, we have the chance, not the certainty but the chance to restore some semblance of sanity to our politics. so if you don't like what is g going on right now and you shouldn't. do not complain. don't hash tag. don't get anxious. don't retreat. don't binge on whatever it is you are binging on. don't lose yourself in ironic
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five, ten, 20 votes per precinct. and if you thought elections don't matter, i hope these last two years have corrected that impression. >> joining me now is tom perez who served as labor secretary in the obama administration. the big project here it seems to me particularly in the midterms is it is 100% turnout. all of the ways that we understand in the special election. is that the way you read this. >> we are organizing everywhere. and if you look in the last 15 months in the primaries, democratic turnout is up 83% from where it was four years ago. florida most recently, and excited people he got them out.
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you look at what happened in pennsylvania a few months ago. out in who widaho. we are organizing everywhere and we are fielding candidates everywhere. >> let me ask you this, this is from something published in the "new york times" back in march. two different categories of voters that change in 2012 and 2016. we have heard a lot about them. 9%. but 7%. 4 million voters that are missing. do you know who those people are? do you know how to turn them out? >> the short answer is yes. we have identified 25 million voters in that category. we are leaving no voter behind. connor lamb won in pennsylvania
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because the so-called reagan-democrats came home. we were fighting for health care and the right to organize and good pension. i believe we can bring those voters home when we organize them. your articles and i am familiar with that talked about became stay home voters. they are younger and more diverse. in alabama, we had organizers on college campuses. that is lightning in a bottle. talking to young people and most importantly, we are talking about the issues people care about. talking about the exorbitant cost of existing drugs. we are talking about the fact that corporate profits are soaring and paychecks are flat. talking about college affordability, women's
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reproductive health. saving not only our economy, but our democracy. and that is res onating with people. >> organizing, television, and digital. i know this is a wonky campaign question, but extremely important. many people think there were lost of opportunities in 2016. is it being deployed differently. >> we spend $0 on television. made a conscious decision early on. i want to make investments that pay dividends today and dividends tomorrow. we purchased 94 million cell phone numbers in florida for instance 6.2 million cell phone numbers that we gave to the democratic power. that helps them today.
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that helps candidates tomorrow. our investments and organizers. i believe the two most important days this year are november the 6th which is the vote of our lifetime and then november 7th. we put our organizers on the ground make sure we deployed them for 2020. if you compare the organizing footprint that has been in place for months in wisconsin. with the organized footprint in place 2014, it is night and day. that is one example but not the only example. we have been doing it everywhere, in ohio and elsewhere. you see the organizing footprint. building meaningful relationships. in the old days we showed up and asked for their vote. we are building relationships. and that is why to get back to your question which is an important one, we are investing and organizing. investing and making sure we
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build that organizing infrastructure. the technology infrastructure. you can't door knock in rural america. that is why we invested in digital organizing, in indiana, georgia, montana. and investing in a permanent voter protection. in the republican side. understa understanding that we have to build a permanent engagement infrastructure. young people are the biggest voting block. >> a huge chunk of the marginal group. tom perez, thank you for joining us. >> 60 days until the weekend. vote. >> still to come, is brett kavanaugh a done deal? i'm not shirt.
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thing one tonight, the president held another rally last night. interesting to look at the crowd behind him at these things. usually full of hat wearing enthusiasts. trump is not just talking to the
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we are now 60 days out from what many are calling the most consequential mid-term elections of our lives as we look ahead to november 6, we'll be hitting the road. visiting the sites of key battle ground races. and we're kicking off with a good one. we're going to talk to the people who helped donald trump win michigan by a sliver two years ago and it is not the trump voters you're thinking of. monday will be live from ann arbor, tuesday from flint, and on wednesday, a special town hall swraenlt filmmaker michael moore in his home town. we'll talk about his brand new movie and the still ongoing four
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visit pge.com/wildfiresafety confirmation hearings for brett kavanaugh's hearing to the supreme court. a rushed opaque process that perhaps raised more questions than it answered. among the witnesses today, john dean, white house counsel to president nixon who warned that he sees parallels between that administration and this one. >> there is now arguably a cancer on the presidency as malignant and metastasizing as there was then, correct? >> i would agree with that. >> here to help me understand what's at stake, the law professor who testified today against confirming kavanaugh and barbara boxer from california. let me start with you, melissa.
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you were there on the hill today. this was the end. hearing part. your area of scholarship about reproductive rights and you were there to say what about his record? >> i was there to work on the idea that simply saying that you believe roe is a settled precedent is enough to believe that that you will be a jurist that will uphold rights for millions of ordinary american women. in my testimony i said that do you know a lot to undermine roe versus wade without ever saying that you're overruling it and all of his record says he will do that. >> there is of course his record on that and this e-mail where he says that i'm not sure that all legal scholars refer to roe as the settled law of the land as the supreme court level. no one ever says in it front of the hearing. >> not quite a smoking gun.
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maybe a smoking arrow. he identifies the three justices who are already there. among them is john roberts, his hero, self-described. and he said the same thing, roe is the settled law of the land. in 2016 he voted to upheld to texas restroikss a woman's health. >> the reason i want to talk to you, because of your testimony, and senator boxer was this. when people think, what is the strategy? if there is a way to stop kavanaugh, there are two women in the republican caulk houston are ostensibly pro abortion rights, what do you think? you know those women. what do you think about that strategy? >> well, i think it is a good strategy. i watched every minute of these hearings as it pertained to roe. i think it is clear that kavanaugh is hostile to roe and yes, because of the secret e-mails that were made public
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because of cory booker and her ohno, no, he's not quite sure it is settled law. his point of view in the garza case was outrageous. not to mention this young woman who was 15 weeks pregnant. had gone through entire texas system and he tried on hold up her abortion? by the way, he showed he is loss toil birth control. >> you know this. melissa knows this. do susan collins is that lisa murkowski, they say that they support abortion rights. they say they support access to birth control. they have to know what they're looking at. you worked with them. what do you think works on them? >> well, they're very diligent
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and i know my colleagues in the senate on both sides of the aisle. and that i know lisa murkowski and sue collins have a lot of friends on both sides. and that i know the democratic women of the senate are sending them the very portions of the testimony that the two of us talked about tonight. if i'm them, i have to say if you're pro-choice, you vote no on this guy. not only because trump picked him because he wants to overturn roe but because of the way he responded when he was in front of the judiciary committee. >> the senator just mentioned this. the two likely votes. it is hard to see any other votes on the republican side. you need two. the president did something he has never done. he said i will appoint justices to overturn roe. that hasn't happened before. >> there's so much about these hearings that are highly
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irregular. you had the president say he intended to appoint pro-life judges. we've already seen judge gorsuch on the bench and now we have judge kavanaugh who has an opinion where he denies a young woman who has completed all the requirements by the state of toexs get an abortion and he blocks her from doing it. it is clear. fryman the south. they tell you, believe someone when they show you who you are. i believe him. he's shown us. >> so senator, there will be a week. what is happening behind the scenes? >> well, right now, i can tell you that staff to staff, the staff of the democratic members who are pro-choice all of them, they're sitting down with them. they're showing them the record. his comments in the garza case had are cold. they are cold. i would say to my friends in the senate. my two republican colleagues that i proudly serve with.
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read his words. the way he talks about an unlawful immigrant minor. he doesn't even give her a persona. >> all right. thank you. that's "all in" this evening. >> thanks, my friend and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. fridays, man! fridays. we should change the last day of the workweek the news day instead of friday. i like to take fridays off. my boss is like friday, are you kidding me? the confirmation hearings ended for the controversial supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. we learned during his confirmation maergs there is a record of him saying that he does not think that roe versus wade should be viewed as settled law, despite that he said exactly that to

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