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open the other hand, he believes what the process revealed about his opponents will help him in the midterms. >> unemployment at 3.7%. stock market as high as it's been. 8:07 p.m. all that really matters, right? >> dig deep, one more time, that's all we need. a good start from c.c. >> all right. >> whatever that means. okay. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks so much, mika. good morning, everyone, i'm stephanie ruhle. starting with day one. brett kavanaugh set to hear his first argument as a supreme court justice this morning after last night's prime-time swearing in ceremony. judge kavanaugh, emotional, after being sworn in, promising to be independent and impartial, while president trump promising no such thing. instead, apologizing to his nominee on behalf of the united states of america.
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calling the accusations against him a hoax. >> you, sir, under historic scrutiny, were proven innocent. >> bracing for impact. hurricane michael gaining strength. just upgraded to a category 2 storm. taking direct aim at the florida panhandle. >> let me be clear, hurricane michael is a monstrous storm. >> a tough road ahead. ford announces plans to lay off workers after revealing president trump's auto tariffs have cost the company a total of 1 billion bucks. you know what we have got to start today with. a new supreme court justice brett kavanaugh preparing for his first day on the job which begins in about an hour from now. at his swearing in, kavanaugh vowed to leave politics at the door. but the president has very different ideas. i have a great team here to break all of it down for you this morning. first, let's get you up to speed on where things stand. justice kavanaugh will hear
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arguments starting at 10:00 a.m. this morning. his first as part of a brand-new conservative majority on the high court. it is a moment many republicans have dreamed about and one of the big reasons president trump was elected in the first place. you might think he would take a victory lap and then move on to other political battles but that is not the president's style. instead, he set up a made for tv moment which he does best to ensure that everyone was reminded who he thinks the real victims are. >> on behalf of our nation, i want to apologize to brett and the entire kavanaugh family for the terrible pain and suffering you have been forced to endure. those who step forward to serve our country deserve a fair and dignified evaluation. not a campaign of political and personal destruction based on lies and deception. >> as you might imagine, there were plenty of people very
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unhappy that the president chose to apologize on behalf of the whole nation. that is not to say that they had to ignore a contentious process that led to last night's swearing-in. but listen to how judge kavanaugh handled it. well, compared to the president. >> the senate confirmation process was contentious and emotional. that process is over. >> false charges. false accusations. horrible statements that were totally untrue. >> i take this office with gratitude and no bitterness. >> i thought the way they behaved was absolutely atrocious. >> on the supreme court, i will seek to be a force for stability and unity. >> a disgraceful situation. brought about by people who are evil. >> not appointed to serve one party or one interest but to serve one nation. >> the way they really tortured him and his family, i thought it was a disgrace.
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>> what if we considered that no one was evil and we all just tried to do better? the president insisted again that the sexual misconduct allegations against kavanaugh were completely made up and said the judge's record is clean. >> a man or a woman must always be presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. you, sir, under historic scrutiny, were proven innocent. thank you. thank you very much. >> brett kavanaugh is, without a doubt, sitting on the supreme court, but the truth, the truth is that kavanaugh was not proven guilty or innocent. while the fbi found no corroboration of ford's allegations it did not say they were false. in the big picture, the practical impact of kavanaugh's confirmation is that he pulls the supreme court to the right. according to nbc, he immediately slots in as one of the most conservative justices on the entire courts.
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remember, he replaced anthony kennedy who was seen as much more moderate, a moderate conservative. in addition to the legal impact of kavanaugh's confirmation, there's a very big political impact. both democrats and republicans say the process energized their voters, but the president went even further, saying he expects to see democrats lose voters in the long run because of how they handled themselves. >> i think it's an insult to the american public and i think you're going to see a lot of things happen on november 6th that would not have happened before. i think a lot of democrats are going to vote republican. >> nbc's geoff bennett is live at the white house. can we expect to be hearing about kavanaugh's confirmation all the way through the midterms, at least for the president? >> stef, for sure, because the kavanaugh fight is resurrecting a defining issue that links the evangelical and social conservative base to donald trump and those are the dreams
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of a right-leani ining generati lock on the supreme court. now trying to funnel all the energy ginned up to get kavanaugh confirmed into getting republicans out to the polls. one thing we know for sure, president trump motivates his supporters mostly on the basis of fear and resentment. turns out anger and fear and resentment are great motivators for the midterms. he's ramping up the dire warnings to what he thinks will happen if the democrats return to power. he's using the process as an example of that. casting the anti-kavanaugh protesters and democrats as an angry mob intent on revenge. just in the last half hour or so, he sent another tweet mocking the protesters. he says the paid d.c. protesters are now ready to really protest because they haven't gotten their checks. in other words, they weren't paid. screamers in congress and outside were far less obvious.
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now, president trump said a couple of weeks ago he was going to campaign six or seven days a week for republicans. this week, he's coming closing to that. he's hitting four states. all states he won in 2016. today he goes to council bluffs, iowa, where he's going to announce year-round access to gasoline. that is seen as a boost for corn farmers, particularly given the slump in crop prices that hasn't been helped with the trade battle with china. as he further politicizes what has already been a contentious supreme court confirmation process. >> contentious, you think? i want to bring in my panel. anna palmer, politico. eddie glaud, a princeton university professioprofessor. anna, to you first what do you think of the swearing-in ceremony really as a political event to call out democrats? this has been his strategy over
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the last week and a half. when i can call for decency and civility all day long, i'm not the president and i'm not running for office. this tactic that the president used over the last week did change the tide for kavanaugh. >> absolutely. i think what you're going to see, what we saw last night is what you'll see for the next 28 days. the president is trying to keep this anger, this resentment, out into the public and say this is why you need to vote. this is what you need to get excited about this midterm. republicans have had a very, very hard time in terms of getting voter enthusiasm. this is the one thing where they've seen a little bit of a blip on that. i think the president's going to try to harness all that energy for the next 28 days. which is going to be very tough. listen, it's hard in this news environment to keep energy and excitement in one issue for 24 hour, 48 hours, much less 28 days. >> congressman, brett kavanaugh said he wants to be impartial, he wants to be fair. he wants to turn the page. let's assume we take him at his
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word. can he do that with the president hanging on to this and name checking kavanaugh at every possible rally from here to timbuktu? >> i think justice kavanaugh can do that. he does have a judicial record that demonstrates imp s imparti. i don't like what he says and it gets in the way of things he want to talk about. i think we have to be mindful of the fact there are some republicans that wish he was saying something different. but he's not at times. >> but he's not at times. eddie, does it work for him? because while moderate republicans might be focused on policies and wish that the president would silence himself, that noise he makes for rallies works for his base. if you combine the two, those who like unemployment at 3.7% or who feel that tough talk on trade in the long term will help, they're willing to support
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the president and so will his base. think about yesterday. i want to share the sound from it. now that the president is portraying democrats and protesters as the mob. >> if we legitimize this process, the mob rule. >> the resistance that has existed since the day after the november 2016 election is centered right here on capitol hill. they have encouraged mob rule. >> the mob descended on capitol hill and tried to intimidate our members. >> you don't hand matches to an arsonist and you don't give power to an angry left wing mob and that's what they've become. >> you don't hand matches to someone with a tricky torch but i didn't see such aggressive talk about the protesters or excuse me the rioters we saw in charlottesville a year ago. but what's your take?
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how did democrats handle this? because in the last week, the president is making hay out of this. >> i think the democrats need to be agresive in responding to this. >> what does aggressive look like? >> simply a montage of every lie from the state level to the national level. just show how they're lying. here, you have the republican party talking about the rule of law. where's the rule of law with regards to the mueller investigation? where's the rule of law with regard to trump generally? then to call them mobs, as if we weren't -- remember the coverage of the tea party protest against obamacare? did any of the senators get spit on? was anybody -- were the protesters walking around with ar-15s? were there posters talking about, you know, mcconnell presenting racist images of mcconnell or cornyn or corker or trump? so the idea of folk on the left
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protesting, exercising their democratic rights, somehow being an example of breaking the rule of law, when you have people who are protesting. many people thought they were astroturf protests as well, right. protesting basketba ining obama. and then to have these very different reactions. what you see here is brazen hypocrisy. what the democrats need to do is call them what they are, they're hypocrites. >> the average american looking at all of this, do they view all of it as just hype epartisanshi or are they able to factually delineate things? >> i don't believe there's factual delineation going on between both parties. the frustration during the kavanaugh debate was there was a presumption of guilt. that's where i think the rule of law that the president has been speaking about over the past day comes from. and i would also say showing up
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at elected official's houses, death threats, no matter whether you're republican or democrat, is just plain wrong. some of what you said i think is very well taken. some of it, though, i do think is a reflection of the president pushing back on the left's base, which just fuels and energizes the conservative base. >> but congressman, we could all say some of these protesters have taken it too far. to these people's homes or restaurants. but the president ignites it. when you see the president saying things like this. when you look at john cornyn's tweets making light of brett kavanaugh and his drinking days, i wonder why would our leaders soup to such a level? >> it wouldn't be my tweet, but a lot of republicans feel that last week was democrats on the attack and republicans had to sit there and didn't say anything. i'm just telling you what the feeling is.
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>> but women walking the halls of congress telling their stories about sexual assault is an attack? right? or, i'm sorry, congressman, donald trump in chicago urging stop and frisk, which doesn't sound like due process to me. it's a realthetorical move. as soon as they are called to the carpet, suddenly you clutch your pearls and cry victory. >> is that a winning political strategy? >> the base -- the republican base is animated right now. the question is whether it's sustained. the notion that somehow the left needs to get more energized, i think we're already -- we've already gone over the thermometers. going through the halls of copping and letting folks know that something happened to you, totally agree with that. screaming and yelling and banging on doors and some of the other stuff that went on was over the top.
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i think the president is using that for political advantage. >> the left need not energize. maybe the left should spend more time strategize. do you believe the kavanaugh confirmation energizes one side more than the other? it's clear both sides were pretty fired up. >> that is very true. i think the one thing to really watch though is going to be women. republicans were already very concerned about particularly white suburban women and a lot of these house districts that are looking not very good for them right now. that republicans feel like they could lose the house. and is this going to be an issue. is the president bringing up kavanaugh and totally disregarding what a lot of victims and women that have faced sexual assault in their life feel like they aren't to be believed ever? is that going to be an animated force on college campuses and among suburban white women? if it is, i think republicans could be in trouble. >> we also learned in the last election, women don't vote in a bloc. 52% of white women did support
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president trump after the access hollywood tape, after, you know, he behaved as he always does. so are we naive in thinking women airport going to stand for it? they didn't just not stand for it last time around. a lot of them voted for it. >> yes, listen, i think all of these, you know, any bloc, whether any ethnicity, whether any regional, you can't look at it exactly like that. we talk about it in those term because it's easier to explain things. clearly i think what you're seeing now is democrats trying to really work very hard to get women in particular -- there is this movement, the me too movement, that is kind of broader than just the east and the west coast. that it does also impact the middle of country in some of those states. whether it's wisconsin, ohio, pennsylvania. trying to see if they can use that to fuel and get more democrats in office. >> all right, thank you so much. great conversations, guys, i appreciate it. now we have to turn to a different kind of storm. hurricane michael, now a category 2, gaining strength as it heads to the florida coast.
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the massive storm which could make landfall as early as tomorrow is threatening residents in more than 100 counties from alabama to the florida panhandle. i know this makes joe scarborough nervous. this is scarborough country we're talking about. what's the latest? >> i feel like people are kind of sleeping on this storm. you know last year we had harvey and maria. category 4 storms. this is a category 2. before last year, we'd gone 13 years without a major hurricane. it looks like this will be a major hurricane making landfall in roughly 24 to 30 hours. it's looking more impressive. it looks like it's getting stronger. it still has time over warm water before it gets to land. the hurricane center says yes, we think it's going to be a cat 3 landfall somewhere near panama city. pensacola would be on the back weaker side. april lash cha cola, tallahassee, would be on the stronger right front. and not just that, if it's that strong, it takes that longer to
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weaken. we still could get 60-mile-per-hour wind gusts. we could have power outages widespread through the southeast. the thing that's usually the most deadly with these storms is the storm surge. the way florida goes up and bends, the water gets trapped. we're expecting a huge area of 8 to 12 feet, almost 200 miles away from the center. and that's life threatening stuff. that's why there's all evacuations throughout this region. there will be destruction to home, and beach homes in this area. it's not populated like the east coast of florida or tampa southwards but there's still a lot of communities and how about the winds, as we crank them up tomorrow, 88 miles per hour by 4:00 p.m. and then as the eye comes on shore, we get winds in the 100 mile per hour range. even tallahassee could get winds to 90. 90-mile-per-hour winds is going to be a nightmare for all of those tree-lined streets. even winds in southern georgia could be in the 70-mile-per-hour
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range. first of, it's going to be the storm surge and the immediate winds with the eye, especially the panama city, appalachicola, florida. >> thanks, bill, all eyes on that storm. the self-proclaimed law and order president openly promoting and advocating for a police tactic ruled unconstitutional for a judge. and kavanaugh decla. he declared proven innocent on sexual assault allegations. no sur priprise, jimmy kimmel dt see it that way. >> no, he wasn't. he wasn't proven innocent. isn't donald trump the guy who had everyone chanting lock her up? the washington monument is like a big middle finger-pointing at us. t us ♪ carla is living with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast
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we understand reducing crime begins with respecting law enforcement. for too many years, we have watched politicians escalate political attacks on our courageous police officers. politicians who spread this dangerous anti-police sentiment make life easier for criminals and more dangerous for law abiding citizens. >> that was president trump yesterday. speaking to the annual convention of police chiefs. these comments fitting into the president's bigger argument of
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republicans being the rule of law party and democrats being the party of crime. but the law and order president also took the time to advocate for a tactic ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge back in 2013. >> i've directed the attorney general's office to immediately go to the great city of chicago to help straighten out the terrible shooting wave. i've told them to work with local authorities to try to change the terrible deal the city of chicago entered into with aclu, which ties law enforcement's hands and to strongly consider stop and frisk. it works and it was meant for problems like chicago. >> elliott williams is a former deputy assistant attorney general at the department of justice and a former federal prosecutor. elliott, first, your reaction when you hear the president's characterization of republicans,
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the party of law and order and democrats? i think it was the party of crime? >> it was. let's be clear. we spent a lot of time looking at this very stop and frisk issue when i was there and stop and frisk as a law enforcement tactic does not work. when new york city dropped the number of stops and frisk by a magnitude of hundreds of thousands in the course of a year, the crime rate plummeted. now why is that? when people trust law enforcement, when people feel that they're not going to be shaken down on the street by a cop merely for walking down street, they trust law enforcement more. they're less likely -- they're more likely to cooperate. they're more likely to talk to police officers and everybody is safer. but this idea you need to just stop people randomly on the street without due process and shake them down leads to profiling and makes communities much less safe. >> elliott, i know this sounds absurd, but your accurate explanation of stop and frisk and why it doesn't work is almost at this point as absurd as it sounds, a detail. okay. >> yes.
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>> and the president gets up there in broad brush strokes and every week, every monday, when i look at the gun violence across this country, specifically in chicago it blows my mind and breaks my heart. does the president have some sort of bizarro winning argument here, like he had back in the day? well, you know, look at how bad you have it. you should try anything. >> it whips people up at rallies and in crowds to say police is -- i think it's shackled and they don't have the authority to carry out their law enforcement duties and so on. here's the thing. somehow chicago has become this villain and the president has led the charge on that. because it's perhaps barack obama's hometown. we've somehow -- chicago has taken on this outsized influence. he can just say the word in front of these big crowds and it gets inside people's heads. like you said, it's a about his czarro world in which you can
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merely state something that is not a fact. criminologists and the justice department have looked into this until they're blue in the face and the simple fact is this tactic does not work and he's not being completely candid or truthful about what is better for the public and law enforcement. >> he's straight up lying when it comes to facts. but he is addressing a cultural issue that pulls at people's heart strings. then what is an effective path forward for jeff sessions now? >> the problem with jeff sessions is he's torn between needing to impress the president and keep his job and actually, you know, he's an individual who has been receptive to these arguments for his entire time in -- >> receptive to what arguments? >> the arguments that the president's making about how crime is running rampant in chicago and so on. >> yes, so, like, before we paint jeff sessions, as somebody who wants to please the president, these are jeff sessions views. he's down with zero tolerance. it's not like he's just trying to win points for the president. he likes all this.
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>> the simple fact is we looked into the attempt -- i don't want to get the year wrong, i think it was 2013. the trump administration overruled it. it's misleading once again to say that it's an agreement with the aclu. it is an agreement between the community and the chicago police department. and in places where there are these agreements, they're called consent decrees. in places where they're in place there's far greater -- >> let's get out of the bizarro and back to facts. >> right. >> funding at the department of justice, specifically grants to state and local police departments, have been slashed. that is the opposite of what the president is saying let's get out there and do with regard to the party of law and order. if you've got no money, you've got no resources to do it. >> right, look, i love the fact you keep saying the word bizarro because facts simply do not matter here. >> except they do and we have to keep bringing them up. >> let me say something. because of these inconsistencies about facts and untruth, there's an election coming and people
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need to put in a congress that is going to hold this president accountable and frankly hold this justice department that i love -- i worked there for 6 1/2 years, but they need to be held accountable if they're going to continue to twist the facts and not be candid about what makes the public more safe, what makes the public trust and respect law enforcement more. >> facts matter. that's why we have to keep covering them. we now have to take you back to hurricane michael. it is now a category 2 storm. it is barreling towards the gulf coast of florida where governor rick scott is urging residents this morning to prepare for the absolute worse. >> think about your family. they don't take a chance. you know, what if it's worse than what they think. i mean this storm is monstrous. you cannot survive this. no one's going to survive -- you know, if you get seven, ten, you're not going to survive this. don't take a chance. >> the storm is expected to strengthen rapidly over the next 24 hours and could make landfall
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as a powerful category 3 as early as tomorrow. nbc's kerry sanders is on the ground in panama city beach, florida. give us the latest. >> okay, so -- sorry, just having a little bit of difficulty hearing you. the latest is the mandatory evacuation is under effect right now. some people are leaving. you mentioned the state of machine taking place right now in florida. that's because this storm is likely to be as forecast a category 3 when it comes ashore. while so much of the focus is on those winds when you talk about category storms, that it might be 120 miles an hour, the real concern here is, and that's because of the building codes, the real concern is the storm surge. we could be in certain portions up to 12 feet. now, the reason i say that that is a greater concern than the wind is because the building codes after hurricane andrew across the state were upped. so the buildings you see up and down the beach here, and a lot of them are hotels, have been
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built to withstand 120 mile an hour winds. what nobody can really ultimately stop, however, is when the storm surge comes from the gulf of mexico. that wall of water at 12 foot comes in and just pushes straight through. first of all, the force is incredible. so some of the things they have tried to build here are walls that would actually give way when the water came through but keep the structure itself in place so the pilings that go into the sand deep here will hold the structures in place. there are some that are relatively old. and of course there's some construction here including some cranes. they'll release them to blow the in wind and spin around. you never know if it will be able to withstand 120-mile-per-hour winds coming from different directs, stephanie. >> we want every person in that region to stay safe. coming up, the economy
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the company 1 million bucks. the white collar workforce is also expected to take a hit. a report estimates a reduction of approximately 12% or 24,000 jobs at ford. ben white, my dear friend, chief economic correspondent for politico and host of the politico money podcast, also a cnbc contributor. all right, ben, ford says the cuts are part of the company's $25 billion reorganization that has already -- was already being implemented. what do you make of all this? >> the tariffs certainly airport help i aren't helping. costing ford around $1 billion in profits. the chinese realttaliatory tari are a big problem. if you've got 25% tariffs, retaliatory tariffs, it becomes harder to sell your cars into china. that could ultimately lead to workforce reduction across the auto industry in the united states. it also means u.s. car companies that wanted to build cars in china are not going to do that
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but they're not going to bring them back to the united states. that's trump's big point. we're going to force companies to build cars in the u.s. they can't do that and make a profit. >> we know automation was already happening. we know that -- or could it be that people are -- or not could it be, we know people are buying new cars with less frequency. it's not just ford. toyota, nissan, honda. they've all reported declining car sales. can we really point the layoffs on tariffs or can some of it be people buying less cars? >> this is a bigger story than just trump and tariffs. it is a reorganization in the auto industry. people are certainly buying less passenger cars. they're buying suvs, light trucks, much more so than sedans. >> companies are optimizing. >> so let's not put all the blame on trump for what's happening in the auto industry and changes. but the fact remains that they are going to be less profitable. they're going to be less agile. if these tariffs are in place.
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and if their inputs are more expensive. 25% on aluminum. 10% on steel. this is the stuff people make cars out of. costs are going up. does that directly lead to meet immediate layoffs? you're not to hire more people if it costs more to make cars. >> is short termism the issue? because you can put ford aside. when you talk to ceos across the board, they're very positive on trump. but they're living in a short-term world just like president trump is. they've got to come up with quarterly results. they've got wall street analysts to worry about. even if deregulation helps them in the short term, they're not thinking about long-term problems because they don't have that luxury. >> should we focus on quarterly earnings so much? others have said we should move to every six months. >> some ceos don't want to. >> because their bonuses are
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tied to the performance per quarter and stock price. short termism is a problem. one of the issues around trump is not just the tariff are relationships, it's the question of how if you're a ceo, do you plan for the next quarter or the next year? if you don't know where your costs are? so they have a problem in terms of certainty. there's a lack of it. they love the tax cuts, love derd dereg. >> the regulatory overhang they faced with obama, they were unwilling to invest and spend because they didn't know what was coming. while they might not know where the trade war is going to end, they did get some level of confidence with what week's whatever you want to call nafta 2. the the. >> it didn't need to be on the table. be honest about it, yes, the obama administration was not hugely pro business. there is more business confidence now. they like a lot of what you talked about. they want more than that. they want to know what trade policy is.
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that's the big overhang for a lot of companies right now. things would be better than they are if we didn't have all of that. so some positives for trump but some real concern about the future. >> we should always remind the audience, all that money that president trump repatriated from corporate america, president obama also wanted to do that. he was blocked. ben, thank you so much. you know what else, ben needs a big congratulations. his son had a major, major baseball win. what are authorization the new york blue jays? >> the new york bluebirds. that's my son. huge tournament win this weekend on long island. thank you so much to the coaches. a great team, great victory, he pitched two scoreless, six strikeouts. the whole team was great. >> i love that. the long island bluebirds. coming up, we're 28 days away from the midterms. we're heading west to find out what matters most to voters in one of most traditionally republican areas in one of most traditionally democratic states. there's a headache for you. s a u touchdown.
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control of the house. my dear friend jacob soberoff went to one contentious district in california to find out what matters to voters there. >> los angeles. downtown's union station probably isn't where you'd think to start a quest to find some of the most traditionally republican territory in america. the biggest county in america is also one of its more diverse and democratic. if you take a short train ride south. thank you. the politics can seem a world apart. it used to be when you go from l.a. to orange county, you cross through what i guess political pundits call an orange curtain. from a democrat area to a very republican area. this year back in washington the democrats are hoping that's changing. so you all live in orange county? if you watch the news, all you hear about is brett kavanaugh, right, the guy who's -- >> yes, that's right -- >> what, gloria? >> no, that's all you hear about so, you know, it's hard to think about something else. all you hear about is brett
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kavanaugh. >> do you think that's what you'll think about when you go into the polling booth on election day? >> i hope not. >> what are the things you'd rather be thinking about? >> traffic and pollution. >> traffic and pollution. >> we hopped off the train in irvine. so we like good californians could carpool with the rest of our team. democrat's hopes of winning here hi hinges at least in part on turning out people of color and young voters. we headed to university of california campus. you want to know what californians think, this is where you have to come. what do people care about in irvine? >> myself and a lot of friends are minorities so a lot is minority rights. >> are there enough of you guys to flip the district? >> i hope so. >> i think there's 26,000 kids that go to school here. if the democrats can get all of them to vote for them, then maybe republicans will be in trouble in this district. but i don't know. sorry, not to be annoying, but we're with nbc news and i'm just trying to figure out is anybody
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here going to vote in the election on november 6th? anybody? anybody? nobody's going to vote? is anybody going to vote in the congressional election in november? you are? thank you. sir, what do you care about? >> what do i care about? >> yes. >> school. >> school. >> what about you? i'll walk you to the bus stop. if you're going to vote, what is the thing that gets your vote? >> probably school and expenses. >> you're not talking about the issues that people talk about on the news all the time, the russia investigation. >> i don't watch news. >> you don't watch that stuff. >> i don't watch news. >> registered? >> not yet. >> how old are you? >> 18. >> so this could be your first election? >> yes. >> ultimately, you could decide whether or not the house of representatives is democrat or republican control. are you thinking about all that? >> not currently. maybe if i took more time to, like, get informed about, like, what's going on right now in politics. i assume that the people voting
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have at least some idea of what they're voting for. >> are you going to vote? >> i should. we're, like, the most unreliable voter demographic. i should vote to increase those numbers. >> that's what the democrats want. but they can't count on you guys necessarily? >> no. >> slowly. keep asking us these questions. the rest of the people our age are going to keep doing it. like, oh, man, better vote. all the old people telling us to vote. >> oh, am i old? >> older, sorry. >> this is fascinating, jacob and the panel back with me. are polls tight enough in orange county that voter turnout is going to make that big of a difference? >> yes, that's it is craziest part about this and that experience for me. every one of those four contiguous districts held by republicans that hillary clinton won down in orange county are within striking die ining dista. so these young people could actually make the difference. 26,000 of them at uc irvine if they all turned out could make the difference. the problem is, neither party is
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speaking to these students. i talked to the secretary of state of california -- >> why? >> listen, so the secretary of state of california told me there's now automated voter optn 17 years oil. they're not picking either the democrat or republican. >> they're sickened by all of this. why is this happening? for me to watch those young students who should be worried about the deficit and entitlement reform because long term they'll be footing the bill, why are they unenthused. when you think who's going to vote in california, the real estate capital of the world and who's gotten hooked up, it's the real estate developers. where are these kids? >> i would be interested in knowing what the nature of the ground game is in this area because i think there's a
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counterexample. we look at what david hogue and the parkland students have done with mayors for our lives have done. we saw a 10% increase in student turnout in florida. there was a ground game. it was organized. we know young folk got them to get over the top. the question is not whether or not these folks are activated. the question is what are they doing to organize. >> that is exactly right. the question is how do you get them from that bus stop into the polling place because you talk about this all the time. unless it's in front of your face, particularly for young people, they're not going to care about it. it's not things that will engage most young americans. not all but most. how do you catch them at the point of sale, so to speak, or where do you catch them in order to get them engaged? >> congressman, what gets them out there to vote? on voting day, what's going to
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get them out of bed to go and vote, to even know where the polling center is? >> i think it takes a lot with the midterms. there are some groofts ups on t left, groups on the right. those under 30 don't vote on the midterms. as a candidate campaign, you have to look at where do i put my dollars and my volunteers, and you're unlikely to put it in an unreliable voting block, which is why you continue to double down on your base, and you look at that dwindling voter and say i've got to focus there. >> it's like why are not young voters turning out to vote when the campaigners and campaigns are not investing in actually connecting with these young people? >> should it not be the opposite of the dwindling centrist voter? should this not be the moment where the center rises,
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shouldn't we be reasonable where unreasonableness exists? >> i think maybe it's maybe it's win, maybe they lose. the more you double and triple down on the centrist voter, the better off you'll be. >> a lot of these kids register -- the idea of centrism, i actually disagree. >> people rrnlaren't invited who that. >> sorry, stephanie. i think they want to hear poignant policy positions. primaries are turning up young folks when they see candidates passionate about things instead of let's hold hands and let's meet in the middle. >> really? rage is the only thing that gets people to vote? reasoning is missing. >> if democrats are going to come with the centrist message and they look like the republican alike, these folks are going to be activated.
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it seemed to me we have to think how are we going to reach the young folk. there are ways in which young folk -- i'm seeing them organize. they showed up in virginia. they showed up in alabama. they showed up in florida. >> that might not get them to go to the rallies, but at the end of the day, don't people want to live good lives? they don't identify as democrats and republicans? they identify as a father, a mother, a brother, a sister, somebody who wants to get paid to do a job. >> when we talk about the climate control report that came out yesterday, let's talk about that. the other side is going to talk about too much regulation and how to grill the economy. in other words, if you're viewed as a partisan and you're speaking a language the other party can look at -- because remember we have parties who
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don't identify with their partd because they're unwilling to go to the middle to talk about the base. >> this goes exactly to trump's winning strategy. go to all the rallies, deliver that extreme far right rhetoric that suits the extreme right, but then when it comes to the policies, serve the republican middle. that is his strategy right now. >> what is called the republican middle is actually the restriction of the ideological strength. it's actually conservative, in my view. i think we sneeneed an actual contract. >> one thing that speaks across the board, $15 minimum wage. that's one issue that came up, getting my expenses, having enough money to pay my expenses. >> people don't want to be in debt. thank you. great conversation. you'd better come back tomorrow. >> we're going to talk republican real estate developers. coming up, special counsel
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