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we'll get into all that on the beat tomorrow. that does it for our show. "hardball" is chris mathews is up next. trump at the gate. let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ >> good evening. i'm chris mathews in washington. with midterms just two weeks from tomorrow, president trump is doubling down on his warning of mobs at the gate. at a rally in nevada, over the weekend, he accused democrats of being behind that caravan of central american migrants. there it is. there they are, heading through mexico toward the u.s. border. >> so, democrats produce mobs. republicans produce jobs. that's become hashtag. they want to open your borders, let people in illegally. the democrats want to throw open your borders to deadly drugs and
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gangs and anybody else that wants to come in. the democrats want caravans. they like the kara vans. >> trump continues to stoke fears on illegal immigration, he warned of, quote, a caravan heading to the southern border of the united states. criminals and unknown middle easterners mixed in. he also added, think and blame the democrats. and remember the midterms. today president trump was asked to support his words about the caravan. let's listen. >> take your camera. go into the middle and search. you're going to find ms-13, you're going to find middle eastern, and you're going to find everything. we're not allowing them in our country. we want safety. >> in fact, nbc news reports there's no evidence to support trump's claim about the caravan.
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internal u.s. documents on the caravan make no mention of middle easterners, criminals or a terror threat. over the weekend trump also rolled out another warning without any evidence, again without evidence, writing on twitter, all levels of government and law enforcement are watching carefully for voter fraud, including during early voting. cheat at your own peril. violators will be subject to maximum penalties, both civil and criminal. in spite of all that, in the latest nbc/"wall street journal" poll they found trump's job approval up to 47% among registered voters. 47%, his highest approval rating ever in the survey. for more i'm joined by illinois democratic congresswoman shari bustos, a rising star, yamiche alcindor, pbs. all three of you, what looks to be a loud scream of fear and fright from donald trump that
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they're coming, they're coming through the gates, and the democrats are welcoming them in as illegal immigrants by the thousands. what do democratic leadership should they be saying to the american voter at this moment? congresswoman. >> well, first of all, chris, donald trump is the master distracter. here we are 15 days out from this election. we've got democrats all over the country who are some of the sharp est candidates i have ever seen in my political lifetime. they're running scared. and what do they do when they're running scared? they resort to fear tactics. that's what's happening. what we need to stay focused on is the legislation that we will do once we win back the majority. that's number one. bring down the cost of health care, prescription drug prices. we will rebuild this country with a real trillion dollar infrastructure package not the fake one like the president introduced. number flee, we're going to make washington functional again. we're going to address the dysfunction in washington,
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self-dealing, money in politics. we will do that as soon as we win back the majority. we have to make sure we continue do what we can to earn back the trust of the american public again. >> what will you do if you can't win back the senate? >> i'm staying focused on the house because that's where i serve. i think the senate, it's tough, but we have some tremendous candidates. kiersten cinema in arizona, jackie rosen in nevada. i love beto o'rourke in texas. it's a tough one. look at the campaign he's running. right now my role at the democratic campaign committee is heart land engagement chair. so i am working with candidates running in 12 mostly midwestern states. we have also included west virginia and pennsylvania in there. and, chris, these candidates are going to change the way congress does business. they are not going to have anybody tell them what to do. they're going to stay focused on the 700-ish,000 people they'll represent. we're going to get the nation's work done again. >> yamiche, your thoughts about
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what the congresswoman just said. the battle of her offering what the democrats will do if they regain the congress. they have to get the presidency back, too, ultimately to get a bill signed. against the fear of the president, which he's talking about the mob at the gate. what he's going to do the next two weeks, we know it now. >> i was just out in west virginia. it's the nature of the democrats to say we need to talk to people and welcome people who are fleeing vie lns, who are fleeing poverty. so -- the problem is, of course, the caravan is the worst possible time for democrats for this to be happening politically. they're going to show up on the gates of the united states right when people are voting so they're going to be on people's minds. the president has had this hard line immigration policy -- >> can you discern -- i want to get back to the congresswoman. what is the democratic response to these people? they are in need, they are afraid, they're coming here. what's the democratic -- if you ran the entire u.s. government right now, the democratic party, what would they do when these people reach our gate, our border what would they do? what should we do? >> well, they are seeking
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refuge. >> so what should we do? >> donald trump is -- well, you give them a path to make sure that they can have safety. these are people that are seeking rapes and murders and gang violence. the president's claim that this is the gangs themselves in the middle of all of this and the so-called middle easterners in all of this, as you said in your opener, chris, that's been refuted. it is not true. we have a president who likes to peddle in miss truths, and is peddling fear once again. we can't just not have an answer to that, but the answer is that we have been a country for 250, almost 50 years where people are seeking refuge, escaping violence and murders and rapes, we are a country that has helped people like that. do we need to have strong borders? absolutely. do we need to keep out anybody who is a criminal?
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absolutely. but we also ought to be a country that lives in a way that we're compassionate, that we help people, and we'll keep out the violent criminals. that's not what we want to welcome in this country. >> that's all in moral terms. charlie, i want to bring you in here. how is that going to sell, what you just heard? >> they need to get a better message -- >> the moral case. >> this is exactly the campaign donald trump wants to run. if he is the executive producer of the reality tv show of the midterm elections, this is caravan is something that he would have come up with. he would have scripted it in this particular way. i think what the democrats have got to do is they have to make it clear what their response is, we in fact do have borders, that we can be humane. we don't need to demagogue this issue. but our border enforcement will be able to handle this. this is not a threat. these women and children are not a national emergency, but they also have to make it clear that, no, they are not, as donald trump wants people to believe, for open borders.
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>> well, that's the problem. yamiche, are they making that clear? you hear the democrats with a clarion statement, they are not from open borders. do you hear that? >> i came from california and west virginia. the democratics a-- democrats ae saying that. they should welcome people if they're fleeing violence and rape, welcome this to this country. people say they're going to take over the country. that's why they don't want them here. >> let me play partisan democrat in the old school guys like me would do. we have a comprehensive bill about border protection, it was about illegal hiring. you can't hire somebody illegally who comes into the country. you can't do it. in fact, it went to the house and republican speaker at the time said we're not even going to vote on it, boehner. the democrats had a bill, supported by 12 republican senators. you had a comprehensive border
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program. you had one, they won't pass one. number two, mitch mcconnell said out last week, i'm going after social security, medicare and medicaid. it's not just the preexisting issue. she's going after the whole shebang. he's cutting into the middle class programs they paid for their whole lives. that is a of the scream i would do out there. i think the democrats are too calm about this. they don't know how to yell back at trump with scarier stuff he throws. it's scare. mitch mcconnell in his calm way says we have to go after medicare, medicaid and medicare and we're going to do it so save money because we blew all the money on the tax cut, it doesn't come up with the democrats. i don't understand why you guys don't know how to exploit an obvious opportunity when some fool on the other side gives it to you. trump knows how to exploit, boy does he. i shouldn't be yelling. but i'm old school. i just know how to do it. i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> no, that's all right. hey, chris, if you came to this
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part of the country, and i'm sitting in peoria, illinois. if you heard candidates in the house all over the midwest, in illinois, in iowa, minnesota, michigan, ohio -- all over the place, you would hear them saying exactly what you just said. we know what mitch mcconnell said. we also know that was the republican play book. pass this tax scam, increase the debt by $2 trillion, and then oh, my gosh, let's scream bloody murder, now we're going to have to go over so-called entitlements. >> exactly. all we care about is deficits. i'm sorry. tell us the message. i don't want to get in your way. what's the best democratic argument to get people to vote democrat two weeks from tomorrow? >> it's exactly what you just said. we are yelling and screaming in a polite midwestern way about what mitch mcconnell said. he wants to now address this $2 trillion debt on the backs of seniors who are recipients of
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social security. our parents and our grandparents who are on medicare, that's his answer to the $2 trillion debt now. we're talking about in every single one of these race that's we're running all throughout the country. and so maybe it's not coming from washington, d.c. constantly, but it is here in illinois, in iowa, it's in kentucky, it's in southern illinois. it's all over the place. we are talking about it loudly and clearly. >> yamiche, here's my feeling about it, and i've expressed it. american people are not greedy. they want froe text their families. they don't want the rich people's money. they don't want billionaire's money. they want what they need. social security, medicare, medicaid, when they get alzheimer's in the family. they want to have a job for the kids somewhere nearby that visit once in a while. that's it. go ahead. >> that's what people want. >> african americans i've learned, no change in that, except they want to be treated as 100% americans without any crap about it. >> it's that double jeopardy
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skit. the black person and trump supporter, what i really want is a job. i interviewed an emt worker in a ambulance every day can't afford a house in west virginia. he's voting for the democratic candidate. the reason why i'm doing that, i need to help my family. i need to figure out how to do this. i need someone who supports the public option. i think democrats if they want to win, that's the message they have to have. i will say republicans, president trump is so, so popular right now. and no one can outtrump trump. he's good at misinformation, firing his base up and good at doing that. >> he's good at the mob at the gate. you said it's his technicolor production. if we find out from ten years ago he organized everything down in honduras, i'd say that makes sense. your thoughts? >> it almost does make too much sense. look, he is running a campaign of fear, and this is not the first time that he has done that. he wants to make people worried about the country. look, i think the trumpian rhetoric is fascinating. we are strong, but we're also
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victims. gary kasperoff makes this point. we are in charge of everything, but everything that goes wrong is somebody else's fault. i was elect today keep you safe but i want you to be afraid. and unfortunately this is a campaign that is not appealing to our better angels or to our hope. frankly, interestingly enough, given how strong the economy is, he doesn't want to talk about the economy. he wants to make it about these people who are coming and they're attacking, they're invading your country. look, i do think that democrats need to say, look, we care very deeply about what's happening at the border. but then they need to immediately remind people of what trump's policy on the border is, the separation of children from their parents. why are they not talking about that? there are ways of securing the border without being cruel and inhuman, and that's a point i think they could make. >> congresswoman, thank you much. sure busta, you are a rising start. i'm sorry to give you my theories, again, i'm old school. i know how to win.
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thank you. and thank you, charlie sykes and yamiche alcindor. coming up, robert mueller is aggressively investigating trump advisor. this is delicious. roger stone. he's the man who asserted the hillary clinton's campaign chairman john podesta would soon be seeing his time in the barrel just weeks before 0 podesta's hacked e-mails went public. plus the story keeps changing from the saudis about the killing of journalist jamal khashoggi. president trump just weighed in again in a brand-new interview. and trump down in texas today stumping for ted cruz just hours after he told reporters he has no regrets about saying cruz's father was involved in killing president kennedy. i think i'd remember that kind of charge if my dad were accused ever that. let me finish tonight with trump watch. it's about the bad example -- i was with some teachers this weekend -- that he's giving to students of these teachers. they say things like, i can call people bad name. the president does it. how about that? this is "hardball" where the
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simple. easy. awesome. click or visit a retail store today. roger stone, who represents a direct line to richard nixon, roy cohn, and nowadays donald trump, is back in the crosshairs of special counsel robert mueller's investigation. new reporting from the washington post today shows special counsel robert mueller has been aggressively pursuing leads, whether president trump's long-time advisor -- that would be roger stone -- had advance knowledge of hacked democratic e-mails ahead of the 2016 election. in particular, on august 21st of 2016, stone tweeted a warning to hillary clinton's campaign chairman john podesta that it would soon be, quote, podesta's time in the barrel. then on october 5th, stone
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tweeted, libz thinking assange will stand down are wishful thinking. pay load coming. lock them up. two days after that, wikileaks began publishing the stone e-mails hacked from podesta's account. stone has repeatedly denied he had any involvement with the watergate-style hacking. he repeated those denials again today to nbc news, saying, i never received anything including allegedly hacked e-mails from gucifer 2.0, the russians, which can i leagues, assange or anyone else and never passed anything on to donald trump. the trump campaign or anyone else. as it relates to mueller, this shows collusion. it is still part of his own going investigation. don't you think? joining me right now is ken dilanian, nbc news intelligence and national security reporter elliott williams, former federal prosecutor. gentlemen, i love it because it tells me that mueller is back at the heart of this case. collusion between the trump people, including roger stone, his fixer dirty tricks ter as he calls himself, and the russians.
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no one ahead of time, the ability to forecast something is toe knowledge of something that is going to happen. >> right. >> just a thought. >> absolutely. as many as 11 associates of roger stone we think have been paraded before that grand jury. they have spent hours listening to testimony. they've gone over reams of documents. robert mueller doesn't use the grand jury for a fishing expedition. there is ape reason. you wouldn't take all this time for the grand jury if you didn't have some evidence of wrongdoing. stone in an e6789 mail to me and other places says he's absolutely innocent. didn't do anything -- >> very carefully worded denial, very carefully worded. he didn't say i had no advance knowledge. >> that's right. >> i couldn't find that in there because he did have advance knowledge. >> clearly someone is not telling the truth, him or his comedic friend. >> somebody throwing somebody under the bus? >> we've seen this narrative play out before, which is an associate of donald trump saying, this investigation is all joke. i'm not going to participate.
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ride or die with the president, and leave it at that. and then eventually when it becomes a point of self-preservation, that's when they start singing like a bird. >> why did roger put out the word he'll never flip? he's also raising money on the internet trying to raise money for his legal defense. he's trying to raise money from the true believers and also saying to trump, pardon me? the president is proven he's willing to use the pardon power -- >> to help his friends out. >> this guy has nixon tattooed on his back. roy cohn going all the way back. he's part of the whole line of infamy. >> it's part of his image to be the tough guy saying i'm never going to rollover. the liberal media is trying to destroy me. mueller and his group of crooks. he's been so inflammatory. bottom line is in august of 2016 he said a number of things and tweeted a number ever things that made it seem like he knew this stuff was coming. can't take that back now. >> on the issue of what's coming, i keep thinking mueller is going to come out with something fairly soon. i don't think he'll wait till next year. if it's this year will it be the
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whole package, collusion and obstruction? >> in the grand scheme of investigations like this -- >> that's why you're here to tell me what's happening, you and ken. >> if only i were clairvoyant. >> is he that secretive? >> we're not that far into the investigation. >> that's a fair point. >> no, thinking about watergate and iran contra, and all of these investigations took years and years and years. >> wait a minute. they're going by the summer of '74, watergate was the summer of '72. it wasn't years and years. >> two years. in the grand scheme of counsel and independent counsel -- whitewater -- >> he came out with his waspy stuff 9 years later because it was too late to matter. i think it's time for them to get going by the end of the year. >> every time i ask somebody who knows robert mueller who has seen the intelligence, what do you think he's got, does he have something we haven't seen before? absolutely there will be bombshells. maybe not presidency ending
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impeachment stuff but disturbing information. >> it's enentirely important from wikileaks point when he found out or what. it's what that information leads to. >> wouldn't it nbc5 -- be nice to know, i'd like to know -- meanwhile in moscow today white house security advisor john bolton -- don't like that guy much -- played down the consequence of russians interference. he played it down. in a radio interview, he said, he told our russian colleagues meddling in our election process had hardly any real effect. he did add, the behavior shouldn't be tolerated. >> zlsz no way he can know that. they have never studied this. it is outside of their purview. people who looked at it said it absolutely had an effect. >> no wonder he won the election by popular vote, 5 million votes. what do you mean by it had no effect? >> millions of people saw the divisive issues going after wedge issues.
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>> would have been by more popular vote. >> what about the 100,000 votes in michigan and pennsylvania -- >> how do you impact that? >> forget the states, forget the politics. did someone meddle in our elections and did people -- >> they're meddling in this one. >> and the trump campaign, did they know about it and act on it? hopefully we find out something very soon. >> is that impeachable? >> i'm not going to lock in -- >> it's a reasonable question. somebody helps somebody else advance a criminal conspiracy to help them get elected president, wouldn't that be impeachable? >> if there is proof he knew about it that is inpeachable. will there be -- >> that's politics. >> it's something we should throw out and worth consideration. >> anyway, thank you. ken dilanian and he will yellio williams. you're too careful. saudis feel their version of events surrounding the death of jamal khashoggi, does anyone
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orchestrated the brutal killing of jamal khashoggi over skype. the man who once ran social media for the crown prince is now the fall guy for the killing. the new report comes just two days after the saudi royal court claimed that the journalist was accidentally killed -- accident sri their word -- killed in a brawl with intelligence agencies inside the saudi consulates in istanbul. in other words, 15 agents got into a brawl, one being a doctor with a saw for sawing bones. the saudi minister appeared on fox repeating something president trump claimed was a rogue operation. let's watch. >> this was an operation that was a rogue operation. this was an operation where individuals ended up exceeding the authorities and responsibilities they had. they made the mistake when they killed jamal khashoggi in the consulate and they tried to cover up for it. >> that's al jubeir.
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he was once a faithful executor of the orders of the king and the crown prince. in other words, he took orders. in a brand-new interview with usa today, however, president trump called the death of khashoggi called a plot gone awry. he said any efforts to cease arms sales is a punishment. khashoggi left the consulate freely alive, and on sunday the president of turkey said he would reveal the truth of what happened to khashoggi in the consulate. apparently at 4:00 tomorrow morning. for more i'm joined by senator krigs cools fr chris coons from delaware. where are you on what trump is saying and the truth? >> chris, here's one of the hard est things about this, the big gap between what our president is saying and what's true. first, he's claiming that there is something like $110 billion in arms sales at risk here. there isn't. that's just not true. after president trump visited saudi arabia, there's been maybe $4 billion in arms sales that
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have been projected. second, we're a country of values, not just a country of interests. and it is astonishing to me that president trump, even after the two years we've gone through, it is still surprising to me that with a straight face he can say that we shouldn't put at risk arms sales because that's not in america's best interest. chris, what's in america's best interest is to be a country that stands for something, that stands for free speech, the protection of journalists and the advancement of human rights. that's got to be at the head of our line in interests around the world in protecting values that define us as america. the president is turning that on its head and saying what we're most interested in it selling weapons to anybody who will pay us for them. that's not why we sell weapons to other countries. we sell weapons to those countries that are our allies, that share our interests, and share our values. increasingly, it's clear that saudi arabia doesn't share our values. and while i recognize they are a
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vital ally of ours in the middle east, in the project of pushing back on iranian aggression, i don't think we should do that at any cost. and the cost here is one that goes right to the very core of who we are as a country. i was struck that treasury secretary mnuchin appeared in the middle east and went to meet with the saudi crown prince m. b.s. and took a grinning photo today. >> tonight. >> this does not suggest that the trump administration is taking this issue seriously. >> do you think the president wants this to fade? he wants this issue to just fade without any action appropriate to a murder, to a premeditated murder? >> yes. you don't wait for the further developments in an investigation that's being run by a murder suspect if you're serious about getting to the bottom of it. any of our last four presidents would have been calling for an international investigation, would have been calling for either the fbi, our own
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intelligence community to be conducting an investigation with the thank you, to get to the bottom, not asking the saudis. to take more time if they'd like to, to come up with another explanation that is clearly not true. for the first two weeks, the saudis told the world that khashoggi walked out alive at their own consulate in istanbul. not true. they made up another story, clearly not true. as i suspect tomorrow we'll hear from erdogan in turkey, they have detailed information about this that may make this even more difficult for the saudis to maintain with a straight face. >> during an interview with cnn, jared kushner, the president's son-in-law, the krouns princcrof you will, said whether or not he bought the recent excuse. let's listen to jared. >> with regard to the situation in saudi arabia, i'd say right now as an administration we're more in the fact finding phase, and we're obviously getting as many facts as we can from the different places.
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and then we'll determine which facts are credible. we have to be able to work with our allies and saudi arabia has been i think a very strong ally. >> you know, the way they're raising a question of values versus interest, there seems to be a guy who is a business type, whatever you think of him. i don't think jared kushner is the guy you bring in for a values discussion. he's out to make some money. he's out to cut a deal. i think he's a ridiculous person, by the way. i'll just say this. why the hell he's going to put together a middle east deal based on the audi iz underwriting some crazy deal with the israelis, i don't know what they're thinking b. i think they're crazy just in terms of putting all their money on jared and the saudis to underwrite a reasonable middle east deal. your thoughts? >> well, chris, there was another important speech this week that was given that i think president trump and jared are trying to distract us from that was about values and money. mitch mcconnell said his biggest disappointment in this congress was their failure to repeal the affordable care act and that he
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thinks the biggest thing affecting our deficits is the entitlement program, social security, medicare, medicaid. i think everybody ought to be focusing on the fact that the republicans want to repeal the protections for preexisting conditions, and want to find a way to cut entitlement programs and are focusing us on this "middle middle eastern caravan of folks that include allegedly gangsters and middle easterners rather than focusing on our our core values and protecting human rights around the world and advancing the health care interests of average americans. chris, i think this is a shell game where they're trying to distract us from what matters to the average american. >> i think you should tell as we said in the first part of the show, remind every voter mitch mcconnell is coming after your social security, your medicare and medicaid. it's for real, it's on tape and he means t. unlike trump, he's a real ideologue and he's in the republican senate. thank you, chris coons.
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have you buried the hatchet? >> oh, i have, yeah. ted and i get along very well. he's not lying ted any more. he's beautiful ted. i call him texas ted. i like him a lot. i actually like him a lot, and he's a very smart guy. >> do you regret saying ted's dad killed jfk? >> i don't regret anything. it all worked out nicely. >> it all worked out me calling his father kennedy assassin. that was president trump earlier today defending ted cruz, texas
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ted he calls him. dramatically in the 2016 campaign, trump is currently in texas to campaign for ted cruz who once called him a sniffling coward. cruz isn't the former republican president relying on him in their campaigns. dean heller said he was 99% against trump in the 2016 election, went over board in praising the president this saturday. let's listen. >> welcome to trump country. [ cheers and applause ] now, mr. president, you know a little bit about gold. in fact, i think everything you touch turns to gold. [ cheers and applause ] >> florida gubernatorial candidate, the guy running for governor ron desantis who kamm paired for his support during the republican primary dodged a question about the president just last night. let's watch him weasel out of
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this. >> do you think president trump is a good role model for the children in florida? >> my wife and i were poking at ourselves. i don't read the art of the deal. he's a great kid. that's not his cup of tea. here's what i know. i was very passionate about moving our american embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. i know andrew didn't support that ask doesn't think that's right, but to me that was true leadership. >> mr. mayor? >> i'm confused by the question. >> whether or not he thinks president trump is a good role model for the children of florida. >> that's what i thought originally. i got confused. [ laughter ] >> so, no, he's not. >> i think the mayor of tallahassee is too sophisticated for his opponent there. let's bring in "hardball" round table, bureau chief for the huffington post. adrian ail rod is former director of strategic communications for hillary of america. and chairman of the american conservative union. amanda, a little tongue tied
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action for the republican candidate for governor down there. he didn't seem to want his kids to talk -- i was with some school teachers this weekend up in rhode island. at least five of them told me separately, each individually, they can't get their kids under control because they just say when they call somebody a bad name or misbehave, hey, the president does it. >> what? >> this is real cases. >> he's putting all that bad stuff out there on twitter. ron desantis is in a weird place. he ran as trying to be the most trump candidate in the primary and it helped him win. trump campaigned for him, he endorsed him. now he has to do something different to win the general election. a third of florida voters are not registered with a political party. trump is down their spewing hurricane conspiracy theories. >> adrian? >> here's the bottom line. the republican party is the republican party of donald trump. they tried to distance themselves. >> they're not going to sell us behavior in school rooms. >> no, they're not. >> how do you deal with this? you wouldn't tell your kids to act like that. nobody would.
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act like trump. just say, act like trump. >> look, there are a lot of -- >> there we go. talk about the embassy movement. >> you want to answer for me? i'm good with t. >> i have the republican answer. we moved the embassy. >> every human being has virtue and vices. donald trump has great virtues for republicans and conservatives who feel like we lose a lot of cultural battles and size and scope of government. then he has the vices which is he says things in politics that offend people. sometimes he's over the line with some of his comments. i think actually the voters kind of get that. he fights so hard sometimes, he fights a little too much. and at the they'd like maybe -- even his own supporters once in a while want him to say he's winning. he's doing pretty well. the economy is doing great. >> i thought the question was his behavior. do you like it? >> i do. >> you do like his behavior? >> i do like his behavior. >> really? wow. >> there is much to donald trump i love moore kids to emulate, including the fact when he --
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>> let's start with this. he says some things that are wrong, their objectionable. he's going to pass a tax cut before the election. congress is out for the year. what does he mean which that? >> i think he meant his election, but that's all right. >> ask the white house. we have no plan for this. it's not hang. he's just lying. >> let's talk cruz. this president has called his father aiken difficult assassin. is that something you kiss off and say, that was just campaigning? >> i told you, i'm married to a cuban-american. this is not really something that i understand in terms of what ted cruz's father did or didn't do. the fact is this. they said terrible things about each other in this primary contest. they got through it. here's the thing -- >> some people believe what trump says. --
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>> i think the point with trump, you guys all get stuck. >> adrian, be one of you guys for a second. go ahead. take him on. >> look, i'm going to simply say here the republican party, they have to embrace trump. if you're ted cruz in a really tight reelection right now, the only way to win is have donald trump a endorse you and aggressively campaign for you. that is not just in texas. we're seeing this in races across the country. dean heller in nevada, for example. this is the republican party of donald trump. >> i embrace it. it's the truth. those who have fought trump, corker, flake, saw -- >> retire. >> torpedoed in their states and they had to retire. we're more unified than we've ever been, ever. >> father aside, trump also talked about how ugly ted cruz's wife was. i mean, trump, i'm sure, loves this. it's all these candidates who insulted him. >> obama and hillary just loved
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each other, they all got along. >> come on. >> that is ridiculous. do you remember that hillary clinton press conference? stop lying about me, barack obama. come on. barack obama going out on the campaign trail and saying it would be dangerous if republicans did well in november? that's a step too far. >> there's no comparison. >> you're down with trump? >> all the way. what does that mean all the way? every word he says is magnificent and beautiful? no. >> making fun of people's looks, where are you on that one? >> i don't think he should. >> what about saying things that are true? >> of course we should say things that are true. you're getting caught up in -- you're getting -- >> i'm trying to figure this guy out because he's getting away with this stuff. >> yes. >> you know the policies, he's right on the policies. not just me. a lot of people >> and the leaders of your party do not have the guts to stand up to him. >> right. >> because he's more popular than they are. >> why would you stand up to a guy succeeding -- >> i think he wins because he
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people under federal civil rights law. nbc's hallie jackson asked president trump about that today, about how this squares with his promise which he made to protect transgender americans. let's watch. >> mr. president, what about your promise to protect transgender americans? are you giving up on that ? >> we're looking at it. we have a lot of different -- >> looking at redefining? >> -- concepts right now. they have a lot of different things happening with respect to transgender right now. you know that as well as i do. and we're looking at it very seriously. >> what about your promise to protect the lgbt community? >> i'm protecting everybody. i want to protect our country. >> if someone either surgically or nonsurgically changes their assignment, gender, why would the government want to get away with that in a free society? amanda. >> they don't want to provide civil rights protection s to them. that's what the trump administration is trying to do.
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obama administration expanded these pro teksz. >> where would it impact them in real life? where would it confront the loss of life? >> public rest rooms. if you're in school and you want to play on a sports team, that's different than your assigned gender, you would face that, too. single sex schools. you face it all over, just how you're perceived. if you're trying to present yourself as a certain gender and you have a driver's license that says something else, it takes away their basic rights and the trump administration -- it's interesting this is being trotted out. a couple weeks before the election. >> do you want somebody who is transgender, assigns them self as a female, walking into a men's room? it seems like this thing works against common sense. let people go where they present because that creates more tranquility and people have a normal life. they don't even know the person is transgender most of the time. under this you'd have to go where god made you in the beginning. you'd have to show up, what would seem to be the wrong person's bathroom. i'm just being practical.
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i'm trying to find common ground here. >> let's be practical also. there's no policy change yet but the question is on title 9 which was a desire to have equality when it came to women's sports, especially in college. how do you help women's sports if you're not defining people as women. that's a fair question. >> my wife played for the national championship stanford tennis team and women on the team had to pay for all travel, any travel to another team. >> not the guys. that's right. >> they have to change that stuff. thank you. amanda, adrian and matt. i'm married to an athlete. when we return, let me finish tonight with trump watch. you're watching "hardball."
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trump watch, monday, october 22nd, 2018. this saturday up in rhode island i spoke to a crowd that included a handful of teachers. each one of them told me how their students behave badly to each other and say it's okay to do that because the president does it. the president does it. they're saying, these future grown ups of this country, it's toe can kay to dump on someone, make fun of someone's looks the way god made him or her because the leader of this country does it and does it a lot. so why not take this to the trump supporters out there. sure, we can argue about taxes and trade and dealings with other countries. have fair disagreements with those in politics and those we don't, is there anyone in the political spectrum who thinks it's gad for this country to have a chief of state, personal symbol of the united states of
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america who talks like the worst bully on the school yard? i think it matters. i'm sure you do. the teachers do is frightening. we have someone in the oval office who if he were acting like this in class, would be sent down to the vice principal's office. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on kawhi leonard all in" a. >> get -- up and take back the country. it is a about who we are. >> 15 days till the midterm election, and enthusiasm is high. tonight, senator sherrod brown on the stakes to the country to get voters to the poll. >> there's no reason to complicate stuff. sometimes i think democrats do. they're analyzing stuff. just vote. >> plus, huge turnout for the first day of early voting in texas, while trump rallies for ted cruz. >> i call him texas ted. >>


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