tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC October 29, 2018 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT
welcoming them, but repelling them. so much of life is about a simple choice between two words. yes or no. that man who shot the 11 people on saturday in pittsburgh would say no to their very existence. no to the very people being instructed by their faith to say yes. no one can safely assert a connection between the preaching of an american president against migrants of central america and saturday's killings by a man who spoke moniacly how jewish people were aiding invadeers. that was his word. but then who can say there was no connection? and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." >> we know that we as a society are better than this. >> the mourning and the fear and the anger continue as the president keeps on attacking.
>> i call the fake news the enemy of the people. >> tonight steve schmidt on america's moral crisis. >> i said, maybe i should cancel this arrangement because i have a bad hair day. >> and mosha on fueling the right here and around the world. plus as the bigoted violence continues, how does this guy still have a job? >> you cannot rebuild your civilization with somebody else's babies. >> then nate silver on the state of the race eight days out. and what happened when jeff sessions was confronted by a preacher. >> brother jeff, as a fellow united myth difficult, i call upon you to repent. >> and "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm i didn't say hayes. tonight the nation is in mourning and in the midst of a profound moral crisis. it is not the first time we found ourselves here during the presidency of one donald trump, but it feels like the worst. there is, of course, the body count. 11 people murdered in their sanctuary on saturday morning
while celebrating at their synagogue in pittsburgh. gunned down, authorities say, by a man filled with anti-semitism, hatred, and the worst ideologies human beings have ever produced. those murders, coming just a day after the apprehension of a man authorities say was driven by his own obsessive hatred, to send improvised explosive devices to those who dare criticize the president, and that, coming just two days after a white man in kentucky stands accused of killing two black people in aiken ken grocery store in an apparent hate crime after he was unable to get into a predominantly black church nearby. and in the midst of this moral crisis of yet another wrenching national reckoning over just who we are and who we want to be, the leader of the political coalition that controls all of the federal government is continuing to stoke the fires of resentment, fear and hatred that led us to this moment. in miami today, caesar sayoc, the trump worshipping florida man who sent 14 bombs to the
president's critics made his first court appearance. sources now telling nbc news sayoc had a list of over 100 potential targets. also in court today the man officials say shouted all jews must die. he was charged with 29 felony counts. the president insists that all of this is entirely unrelated to him. unrelated to his ceaseless demonization of his critics and perceived enemies, unrelated to his defense of the white strem cysts who chanted jews will not replace us in charlottesville, one who drove his car into counter protesters and murdered 32-year-old heather heyer. >> you had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was very violent. not all of those people were neo-nazis, believe me. not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. >> now, that rhetoric has really not changed, and even in the wake of last week's violence. the president and his allies
continue to stoke anger, fear and suspicion to cultivate dark conspiracy theories about those they cast as the enemies of the people. like the liberal jewish activist george soros who they characterize as an evil puppet master and the desperate migrants, women and children trump describes as an invading hoard. and the free press the president insists over and over is hell bent on destroying the real america. with me msnbc contributor and now former republican strategist steve schmidt, co-host of the words matter podcast, which is an apt title. how did we get here? >> well, however we got here, we're here. and where we are is at an unprecedented place in american history. we have never had a president of the united states do what this president is doing. he is stoking a cold civil war in this country, and it has turned hot on the periphery. this man bowers, what he said was when he went in, he said, i can't sit by and watch my people
get slaughtered. screw the optics, i'm going in. and he went in to kill jews. the jews he believed that were financing the caravan, the invading army like a panther division that is threatening the southern border. an army that is racked and riddled with disease. the same type of rhetoric, the same type of propaganda that you would have seen in germany in 1938, the dee humanization, turning people into infested vermin. what trump is doing is stoking and inciting, for the purposes of political power, the worst amongst us to take action in his name. we have a situation where, but by the grace of god, the largest
assassination attempt against them, two former presidents of the united states. every one of those people was a target of donald trump's, and this man, a fanatic, was radicalized by fox news, by talk radio, by a right wing propaganda machine that is as sophisticated as it has turned deadly. >> how do you -- we end up in these situations sometimes, this false equivalency, it's hard to get your arms around the political equivalency. you spent a career in republican politics. how do you communicate about the abnormality of what has formed on the right at this particular moment? because people say, well, you know, the left, they've got this and that -- sure, you can criticize -- we criticized shelton ned l aniston, criticize george soros, ways the rough-and-tumble.
there is something going on in the distinct american right. how do you communicate that to people who exist on the american right? >> william f. buckley's great contribution to america and american conservatism was to kick the crazies out of the conservative movement. probably a longer discussion than we have time for tonight, but unfortunately, looking back, that the word liberal became an epithet. small l liberalism, conservatism is a root branch of it and the democratic parties and the republican parties, both liberal parties, compete in the arena of ideas -- >> a democratic society -- >> to move the country forward. what we are seeing is the co-option of the conservative republican party in a personality which is fundamentally unconservative led by donald trump, that is authoritarian in nature, that is antithetical to the orthodox is
of the republican party and the conservative movement as they have existed over the last 40 years. but it is something more. it is the incitement. imagine, after a bomb was sent to cnn, the president of the united states goes and says, the press, the free press, is the enemies of the people and then he says, the anger in the country is caused by the press who reports critically of him. what he is saying to the next sick person on the end of the transmission is, if you take an action, it's because they deserve it. what we are seeing, just as we saw young, displaced, evil or sick or just plain losers be radicalized by isis, we are seeing the same thing in the united states right now. these two losers, these two sick
people, these two evil people, three evil people, being radicalized by this right wing propaganda industry, and that's exactly what it is. this whole caravan in the last week of the election, is a giant lie. this is trump's fire, it is a lie, and that the united states military, the most powerful armed force in the world would be deployed at a brigade-size unit level to the southern border to stop this caravan, which is a thousand miles away and made up of women and children, the insinuation that it's filled with terrorist ands middle easterners, 40% of the country has opted into an alternate reality. we have to wake up in this country and understand the danger that this presents to all of us. we can't put our heads in the
sand. kellyanne conway despicably went on television and said there is an antireligious sentiment. no, ma'am. the propaganda industry that she commands with the vile president that she serves, abetted by mark luv en and rush little elm baugh and breitbart and news busters and judicial watch and all the rest of them, have blood on their hands for the incitements that they have made that have triggered and radicalized these crazy people. it is deliberate intent. escape goats minority populations. he alleges conspiracies. he creates a sense of shared and virtuous victim hood, positions himself as the avenger, and there is no cost too high, so long as it benefits his narcissism, so long as it
benefits him politically. >> let me ask you this final question. there is a memory hole that keeps happening. everything you just said there has been echoed in the past at different moments by mitt romney, by lindsey graham, by marco rubio, by rick perry. i mean, on and on and on. ben shapiro wrote about this. there were times when the confrontation with trumpism was new to conservatives, where they called it what it was. they saw it for what it was. and then slowly but surely, the borg a simulates them. what i find so unnerving is you watch one after another after another unable to muster the obvious clarity of that diagnosis. >> all of these people were happy to stand and assert that they believed in the american idea and ideal when the american idea and ideal was not being tested. when it was not under assault. when it was not being contested. what we see is a crisis of
profound cowardice in what i would argue is the worst generation of political leadership the country may have ever had. we don't see very many teddy roosevelt, jr.'s using his position to be the first man on d-day to lead the men ashore. we don't see much of that in american life any more. the capitulation to this, the cowardice in the face of the evil that we saw this past weekend, the willful blindness and ignorance about the threat that is growing, and the question this week, isn't who is going to keep control of congress or get control of congress. it's will there be more blood in this country this week heading to an election. and this is what we used to see around the world in banana
republics, in emerging democracies, but not here. we don't settle our political disputes and elections with guns and knives. we don't have presidents in this country until now who stoke the american people to be at each other's throats. and after two years of this, this is the deadly consequence. anti-semitic attacks in america rose 60% last year. as was pointed out by a writer in the atlantic magazine, whose name i can't recall in the moment, do we have 60% more anti-semites? or what has happened? causally, what has happened? and so when trump says, i'm a nationalist, white supremacists, neo-nazis, klansmen celebrate. they are ecstatic. there are people who say that you shouldn't mention the daily stormer on a show like this. but, you know what? not mentioning them on a show like this doesn't mean they're not there. >> that's true. >> they are there. and they are emboldened, and
they are excited, and they feel that they have been mainstreamed by this president and his winks and nods and dog whistle ands outright near endorsements. and what a signal he sends on a day where we see the largest mass killing of jews in american history, incited by this propaganda, where his reasons and his final tweets are the exact talking points that spew forth in his vile toxic sewage from talk radio, from the dark corners of the internet, from fox news, from sinclair broadcasting, it's exactly the same message. >> yep. >> and anybody who sits there and says that there is not causality between these events and the incitements is as dishonest as they are blind. >> steve schmidt, thank you very much for being here. >> my pleasure. >> with me now for more -- hard
to follow -- msnbc contributor michelle goldberg, columnist "the new york times," and staff writer of the atlantic latest headline, trump's caravan hysteria led to this. i want to pick up on something steve was saying before. you wrote this. the apparent spark for the anti-semitic spark was a racist hoax, inflamed by u.s. president seeking to help his party win a midterm election. no political gesture, no public statement and no alteration rhetoric behavior that will change this fact. what do you mean by that? >> i mean that this is written in stone. these people are gone. these people were killed because a crazy man believed what the president was saying, that there was an invasion at our southern border, you know, from thousands of people who are weeks away, who will probably -- the caravan will probably be much smaller by the time it gets here, if it gets here. and those people will either have an asylum claim and they'll be able to stay or they won't, and they'll be turned away. there is no national emergency. the president invented a
national emergency in order to scare his base to the polls. and the result was that a crazy person or a person who was unstable or an ideologue took him seriously and took matters into his own hands. you heard what steve said. he said, screw your optics, i'm going in. they're bringing in invadeers that kill our people. the gunman didn't like the president. he didn't think trump was trumpy enough. but he certainly took his rhetoric on the caravan seriously. and now we see what the consequence are. >> we have been here before. i can't let this go without pointing out we have -- >> andrew johnson. >> in american history, moments of moral crisis, there have been elections decided by terrorism in the 1870s. but i will also say in trump, right, we see charlottesville. we saw the kidnapping of 2000 children. these moments in the country, the moments breakthrough. what are we watching happen in this country that we love?
and then this sort of ebbing that comes afterwards to me is the most upsetting part. >> right. i think it's hard for people to sustain clarity about just how bad our kind of moral and political crisis is. you know, people want to rushet to some sort of equilibrium. they want to feel normal. they can't exist in a constant state of utter horror. it's like every so often the blinds drop and you realize once again where we are and what kind of civic avatwar we've been plunged into. what is unique right now is the degree to which president trump has create this had big lie about the caravan that has inspired mass murder, but also is now shifting the resources of government to substantiate his lie. something that hannah wrote totalitarian governments won't simply say unemployment has been
eliminated. they'll get rid of unemployment benefits to kind of make that manifest. and you see that with him sending the united states army against a nonexistent threat. i mean, that is so shocking, even though we've lost the capacity to be shocked. >> he sent the army to kill the enemy. that's what the army does. the army kills the enemy. so, when you send 8,000 troops to the border to stop thousands of people who actually won't even be there for weeks, what you're saying is these people are the enemy and we may need to kill them. >> right. >> it's a gesture of -- and fox was practically goading the homeland security secretary to say that they'd shoot. she said, well, you know, we don't have any plans to do that right now. but, i mean, the degree to which this thing, which is a nonemergency has been inflamed into a national security crisis is truly frightening. and the degree to which people -- people simply do not want to hear that it's not a
crisis. what they want to do is they want to be afraid so that the next thing that they do as a result of being afraid, they can justify to themselves. >> this meme, i juwanted to sho the murderer or alleged murderer in pittsburgh, this is a meme he posted. multi culturism equals genocide. white lives matter, confederate flag, swastika. that world -- >> you can easily imagine donald trump, jr., retweeting that. right? i mean, it is kind of -- the -- okay, except for the swastika. the imagery, the rhetoric, the world view. it's almost completely overlapping. >> it is that, adam, the ideology of this picture in that image amelia drapers ever closer to the basically the mainstream pipeline of american two-party politics. >> look, i have no doubt that if trump could, if he could protect jewish people from the hatred
that is bubbling up, that is inspired by his nativism, he would. but he can't. and he's not actually going to stop doing the things that are provoking those feelings, even though he might want to spare jewish people from the results of that vitriol. it is what it is. when you say these things and you deliberately inflame people to scare them to frighten them, you know, you bear a degree of responsibility for what they do as a result. >> i want to end on one note. you were just in georgia. >> uh-huh. >> which, again, this campaign is so bizarre because these horrendous news, awful mass murder, bombings of political enemies, you were just in georgia. reporting on the stacey abrams campaign. i want to throw this image of will ferrell knocking on doors in georgia. this is a civic antidote, knock
on doors, talk about politics. the opposite of vile hatred. >> the stacey abrams campaign, this inflection point we're at in this country is very stark in georgia because you have this, you know, extremely accomplished progressive person who is possibly going to be the first african-american governor in the united states history. and in a state in the old confederacy running against a sort of white nationalist candidate in the trump mode, right? so there are two paths for this country, and you see georgia -- >> on stark display. michelle goldberg, adam serwer. >> thank you for having me. >> as pittsburgh rovz from its own tragedy at the hands of white ring violence, the rabbi at the tree of life joins me to talk about that next.
the pittsburgh community of squirrel hill is still reeling from the hate of the violence that ripped apart the tree of life synagogue. saturday's shooting left 11 people dead, fixtures of that community, bernice simon, a couple known for their kind nits, jerry rabin owitz who helped treat aids patients. the president will visit pittsburgh tomorrow while the current rabbi, tree of life synagogue, said the president is certainly welcome. a group of progressive jewish leaders wrote a letter to the president saying you're not welcome in pittsburgh until you fully denounce white nationalism, stop dangering and targeting minorities and assaults on immigrants and refugees. with me to talk about how his community is beginning to heal tonight, rabbi chuck diamond who
served as rabbi at tree of life for seven years. i want to give my most profound condolences for what you and the community there has gone through. how are you guys holding up? >> well, we have a very special community here and i'd like to thank you, chris, for having me, and for your words of comfort. the response from around the city, from the jewish community and the nonjewish community, from around the united states of people want to help and from around the world has been overwhelming and of great comfort to us. the first funerals are tomorrow, and we have to begin the mourning period, the grieving period and the comforting period and the seven day shiva, the mourning period after the funeral, we have to start rebuilding and looking out for each other. that's when the tough times really start. >> what kind of community is it? >> well, i grew up here, i have to say, and i'm proud to be a
pittsburgher. i bleed black and gold like everyone else, i raised my kids here. i live near the synagogue. a worked a number of years at the synagogue. pittsburgh is a beautiful city. i don't know if you've ever been here. >> it's a great town. >> it's a great town. it's very friendly, very welcoming, very supportive of each other. i believe the islamic center has raised more than $70,000 to help the synagogues, morn i is pouring in from all over, placing flowers and praying. it really is a beautiful community. >> you know, there's been a lot of talk about american jews looking at this moment and feeling shaken by it. obviously the long history of the jewish diaspora, throughout the world, violence pragram, there is a special and deep profound historical resonance to what happened in that sanctuary on saturday morning. what are your thoughts on that?
>> well, certainly. you know, the life of the jewish people and the rise of anti-semitism that we see around the country, that people are more emboldened by the rhetoric that's around. you know, there was a gentleman who is usually there at that time who happened to be a few minutes late, he's 80 years old and he's a holocaust survivor. and that's sort of that imagery when he arrives at the synagogue and there's gunfire, it's a sad, it's a sad state. >> there's -- the president will be coming tomorrow. i know that the current rabbi welcomes him and i understand he's the president of the united states and he's coming to pay his respects. there are other jewish leaders who want him to -- more forcefully denounce some of the rhetoric. what are your thoughts? >> well, i've been asked this question all day. i agree with the mayor who was on, he's a great mayor, mayor peduto. please, mr. president, if you're watching this, wait a week. come next week. the focus this week is on the
funerals. the focus needs to be on honoring the victims and taking care of the families of the victims, and giving the community a chance to heal. any president who would come at this time would be a huge distraction, and probably even more so because of the strong feelings on both sides about our president. so, like rabbi meyers from tree of life, i would just urge -- i would welcome the president, but please reconsider and wait till next week. >> you know, you mentioned the islamic center raising money and we've seen this remarkable solidarity from faith traditions, from secular people, from all kinds of people. and we know that the shooter targeted the synagogue, in part, because of the work of a jewish relief agency working with refugees. how central is it in this moment to you and your faith to think
about the things that bind us together? >> oh, it's central to my faith and my belief system of who i am as a rabbi and who i am as a human being, that some of the things that are going on that go against our principles and values as a jew, go against our principles and values as americans, things that we've stood for for years. you know, look, all jews, moment of their relatives who came over to this country at some point, many americans were immigrants at some point. as i was listening to your show, chris, i'm thinking, we shouldn't be sending soldiers down to the border. we should be going down to the border to welcome these people with open arms. and perhaps that's where the wall can be built, a wall of people to stand between the soldiers and these poor refugees and to protect them and welcome them into our country. and i wish we were really at
that point in our history because otherwise bad things happen. >> chuck diamond, we all wish you strength and comfort and grace in the days ahead. thank you for joining us. >> and, chris, i want to thank you and all your colleagues for what you do. it's very important, and i appreciate it. >> that really means a lot. thank you. >> thank you. >> ahead. on the rise of hate and extremism here and around the world, she joins me next. s you , your brain naturally begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. - learning from him is great... when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad's got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. - she outsmarts me every single time. - checkmate! you wanna play again? - anncr: prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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country lurching dangerously towards authoritarianism. it is happening all over, indeed. brazilian's elected jair bolsonaro, a man who spouts homophobia and misogyny among other things. i can't think of a more extremist leader in the history of democratic elections in latin america who has been elected." donald trump hasn't called many of the people in his own country who received bombs in the mail this month. he did make time for a congratulatory call to bolsonaro. here to talk about what is going on here in america and beyond new yorker staff writer, the future is history, how totalitarianism reclaimed russia. >> hi, chris. >> you have been thinking about and writing about sort of or authoritarianism, democratic retreat and decline in the russian context, in the american context. >> i can become a universalist. >> it does seem like there is a moment in the world right now where all of the trends that you put your finger on are on the
rise. >> right. and, you know, what we know -- and i know people cringe at this comparison, but what we know from the 1930s is that there are moments in world history when the world seems unstable and the world is scared of its own future to willingly sort of give itself over to these kinds of demagogues. >> what is your theory about this moment and the cultivation of it in so many different places? >> i don't have my own theory about this moment. i am familiar with some other theories. there is the great social psychologist eric fromme in his wonderful book, escape from freedom. it is very accessible. he has this theory, there are times when instability and uncertainty are so great and it has a lot to do with displaced people, right? so, in a sense, trump's fixation on migration is not accidental, accidental to this moment.
and, of course, globalization, people's understanding that they can't imagine what work will look like, what the world will look like in their children's generation in ten years. that's so frightening, the burden of the freedom to invent that future is so huge that people would rather go back to an imaginary past which is how you get make america great again and make brazil great again. >> we should say the context in brazil is massive refugee crisis in huge parts of the country because venezuela, it's been a politically polarizing issue. we've seen huge moves of people in europe as the anti-immigrant right has risen there. this idea of they're come ing f us, they're coming for us is a central note in all this. >> and we get so taken with that. we get so taken with sort of trying to argue more humane way to thinking about the same thing, which is them and us, that we forget that we inhabit a
world together. and it seems to leave no room for a different kind of imagining, to imagining that there couldn't be a world in which people have -- most people have a safe place to be. >> we're at this moment in the wake of this horrible mass murder in the synagogue, partly targeted because of the work of hias which has every russian jew that i know that i'm friends came through hias, that has committed itself to the movement of people in desperate straits. >> hias is an extraordinary organization. i would say so because i probably wouldn't be here if it hadn't been for hias. when i immigrated to this country in 1981, they were the organization processed all of our paperwork and they had been doing it since 1881, when the program began against jews and the russian empire. what is amazing about hias is especially since the 2000s, they really devoted themselves to helping displaced people all
over the world. i don't know of another organization whose mission is as pure and clear and morally solid as hias, which in a sense makes it not a surprise that the person we understand to be the shooter, robert bowers, seems to have been obsessed with them, seems to have been very much part of this rhetoric of the immigrants are going to take all that belongs to us so they're the biggest threat we've ever seen. the hias helps refugees, hias equals all jews, i'm going to kill all jews. >> there is also something deep about the connection between anti-semitism, judaism, the cliche or stereotype of the ruthless -- that does not have a home, the movement of people from place to place is the threat. and jews are the center of that threat and that world view has been in existence for centuries.
>> well, and jews also have, i think, a special relationship to immigration. i think every person who was brought up jewish, whether secular or religious, has a kind of mythology about being in a safe place and having to leave when it gets unsafe. and looking for another safe place. but also welcome the stranger. that's very much part of the jewish story. the jewish story is the story of displacement, the story of looking for a safe haven, but also the story of providing a safe haven. >> do you think there is a canary in the coal mine aspect to antijewish sentiment and its connection to these right wing authoritarian movements, obviously russia has been part of the story in the past. i don't know if it is now. >> you know, i think for the purposes of canary in the coal mine, it's interchangeable. there is always a way to other somebody. whether it's a jew or trans-person or another kind of queer person, or a roma or just
somebody who is from somewhere else. >> oh, yeah. in italy right now they are -- the right wing is targeting the roma as we speak right now. one of many right wing governments implementing its ideas in europe. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. a surge in right wing nationalist violence. is there anyplace in the house of representatives for a white nationalist congressman? why donors are turning away from steve king next. ♪ ♪ if it feels like you live in the bathroom with recurring constipation and belly pain,
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republican congressman steve king of iowa is is a white fwhagsallist. i don't think he'd argue that point with me. in fact, he's been on this show and others espousing those views quite openly. in the wake of this weekend's horrific anti-semitic massacre, there is a renewed focus on steve king t was growing before this saturday. there is a growing concern to do something about him. intel will not donate because of previous statements. it is not likely to hurt his
reelection chances next week. what about his colleagues who do not share his view a that white western civilization is under attack? the pressure is building to exspell steve king from congress. joining me are two colleagues, brendan boil of pennsylvania and republican congressman ryan costello also of pennsylvania. good to have you here. >> great to be here. >> let me ask you this. let me first start with this, your reaction to what happened in your home state this weekend. >> well, the same as everyone. just completely tragic. yesterday i had the opportunity to participate in two different vigils one at a synagogue in philadelphia and one in the suburbs. i was struck by the raw emotion of people who i knew in the crowd. these are my fellow americans who happen to be jewish who i got the sense from a few of them felt threatened in a way that they never had before. there was a piece sam stein wrote that i thought captured their feelings as well.
and to me, as someone who believes in this country that's probably one of the most disheartening pieces i've ever read. >> i would say in a word, sad. we know we're in a very politically toxic environment. but when you start seeing violent actions take the lives of citizens and you start asking yourself, how do we get beyond this, it makes you really sad for where we are as a country. >> you know, i think about south carolina, dylann roof murdered those people in that church, and one of the responses was they took the confederate flag down from the capital. that confederate flag didn't cause dylann roof to kill those people, about it was symbolic, we want to stand against this ideology. keep that in your head. should you expel steve king from congress? >> my answer would be no. he's going to be -- he's either going to win or lose an election and the constituents this his district will either vote him in or vote him out. but when he says something that is inappropriate, he should be
called out for it. i believe in the past when he has said things that are inappropriate, there have been public statements made by the speaker. i've said in the past, when he says things that are inappropriate, that i disagree with him or i take issue with him. >> stronger than that, right? what do you think? >> the best way would be to vote him out in eight days. but let me be clear on this. and i don't say this lightly or throw around the racist word or white nationalist. steve king is by, his own words, a white nationalist. and i think he is someone who should be unquestionably repudiated by speaker ryan. i have not heard that to date. it certainly would be comforting, at the very least, if the speaker were to say that unequivocally. unfortunately, in the trump era, there's been too many people who will say they're disappointed, or use some sort of vague words like that and not actually follow it up with any action. and i'll say this, too. my biggest concern is not so much steve king today. it's the steve kings of the
future. there is a whole group of republican aspiring politicians coming up that see the trump play script, see the trump play book and they want to follow it. >> well, and i would add to that, brendan, that leaving aside the aspiring republican political class, i think that for those that are teenagers and even younger to just be exposed on a daily basis to the kind of rhetoric and -- listen, the biggest threat in the last month was not -- is not the caravan, all right, it's the ippcc report that came out. and we start focusing on things that -- with these ethnic tinges on them. it will end up in a bad place for our country irrespective of politics. with respect to what you just said. and i think that as leaders, as elected leaders, that's where i think we all have to be focused because this is a cultural thing that is generational in its projection, and that's why we have to rein it in and speak out. >> i don't think there is any disagreement.
>> i totally agree. i want to say, to me, the thing about steve king is -- here's the thing. is there a view that you can have that's too odious to be a member of the republican caucus? this is the question. to me it's like someone has to draw the line somewhere. i think the views he has cross that line. now, that's my humble opinion. they're worth what i'm charging you for it. but donald trump is one thing. put aside donald trump. someone has to say, he sid this, he retweeted this nazi again, he praised this other neo-nazi. he also said, we can't replenish our civilization with other people's babies. he also gave a far-right interview. we know what he is. someone in the republican party at the leadership level has to say, this is not acceptable and not what the republican party stands for. >> i believe that there have been statements in the past by speaker boehner and by speaker ryan. but ultimately, the voters of the congressional district are going to vote for one candidate or another. if that candidate gets elect today office, if the new barometer for whether they can then serve is, well, we didn't like what you said so we're going to expel you.
i don't think that's how our republic works. that doesn't mean that you don't repudiate someone when they speak out of line. >> give them lots of money. >> by the way, let's not sleep on the democrats' chances in that that district. >> i haven't. jd shelton has been on the show. >> have i seen him on the show, even though it is an r-8 or a 10-point republican district. i think in this climate he has a real chance. this is an opportunity for republicans of good conscience, people who are devoutly pro-life conservatives who don't agree with steve king when it comes to racism, nationalism stuff to take a stand and at least for this election vote for the democrats. >> should they vote against him? >> i'm not going to tell people who to vote for. but at the same point in time -- >> you've probably donette before. you're a politician. >> let me just say this. we got to be careful -- i know we don't like to do what aboutism, but there have been democrats in the past who have said things that are highly offensive. if we're going to start kicking
people out of office. >> believe me, if someone had -- whatever the left version of steve king's views are in the democratic party, then i think we could talk than. the problem -- the facts are no one likes steve king in the united states congress. there just isn't. and he has made that very clear. i mean, that's where we are at this moment. to me that's the question about what lines the republican party are going to draw around what's accept to believe their brand and what is not. >> look, i just saw what he said today at the top of your show. my biggest frustration, which he would wear as a badge of honor is that we aren't able to get immigration reform done, which is permanently provide a solution for dhaka, give some border security, fix our visa reform program and a couple of other in the immigration space because the most conservative elements of the conservative party are unwilling to cut a deal. and candidly, i get frustrated with the most liberal democrats because they're unwilling to cut the same deal. >> i will say this. not the most disappointing but one of the most disappointing
things about a steve king type is how little he knows about american history. he happens to be a catholic american. >> yes. >> ironically. i wish he would learn the history of -- >> he and i have gone back and forth on this. i don't think i've gotten anywhere. congressman brendan boyle and congressman ryan costello, thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. ahead, nate silver and cornell belcher on the state of the election just eight days out. that's next. es next. if you move your old 401(k) to a fidelity ira, we make sure you're in the loop at every step from the moment you decide to move your money to the instant your new retirement account is funded. ♪ oh and at fidelity, you'll see how all your investments are working together. because when you know where you stand, things are just clearer. ♪ just remember what i said about a little bit o' soul ♪
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which there is so much culture warring that the president is doing, it loses sight of the fact that it has produced a very profound and widespread backlash. >> which is a long-standing phenomenon in public opinion, and i think obama had a recognition of that. that's why he was careful about which issues he would push on. whenever the president gets in power, the public starts to move the other way. they want to counterbalance. one way you can do that is by voting potentially. but all the things that trump stands for, he may shift against him within three or five years. but we'll see. if you can't translate into it actually winning elections, maybe it doesn't matter that much. >> cornell, what do you think about this election eight days from now and the kind of existential mood that hangs over it among many people who are watching it unfold? >> i think they have to vote. i mean, to your point. >> yes. >> you do have a majority of americans on a number of issues that are not where donald trump is.
and this current republican party. but it is where their base is. and, look, i think if we have the 2010 or 2014 electorate, republicans are going to do very well. if we have a different kind of electorate, i think republicans are going to struggle. so those moderate middle of the road voters along with young voters who are turning out at less than half the rate that boomers and the greatest generation voters are turning out at, they're allowing them to dictate their future if in fact we can have a different kind of profound turnout, i think we change this country. there is two electorates. one is older, less diverse and afraid of the changes, fighting against a younger more diverse electorate. and that older diverse -- less diverse electorate is winning in the midterms. i think there are signs that this could in fact change from the turnout patterns and the excitement levels you see among younger voters. >> how much can we glean from whatever data we have now about
voter turnout in early vote? >> i'm a little skeptical of the voter data. but what seems critical is turnout will be very high. it might be halfway between a midterm turnout and a presidential year turnout. for some ways that makes it tougher for pollsters. they're making guesses will these new or irregular voters show up. and that's why you have a lot of variation in the forecast. we have democrats having scenarios where they win 55 seats and somewhere they fail to take the house at all. and it is a cliche, but, look, only 40 or 45% of people who are eligible to vote typically show up for midterms. maybe it is 50% this year. if you're going to vote or not, it's not a cliche to say that turnout will determine everything on november 6. >> right. how nationalized -- one thing i've seen, cornell, you're seeing the president. he is going to go to all these red senate seats. they clearly think they can nationalize the race and get their vote out. i think they're kind of throwing in the towel in the house to a certain extent, to the extent
they can control it, because they think that nationalizing the race cuts their losses. what do you think about that strategy? >> i think they need more people. i think if we -- listen, as a pollster, i think one of the things i'm going to caution, as nate just talked about is i think a lot of our horse race numbers are going to be off. >> yeah. >> because we don't know what the electorate is going to be. we're not going to have a typical midterm electorate. so a lot is going to be like in virginia, you know, we had the governor's race, a tie or toss-up. and the democrat won running away because we didn't know who the electorate was. i think you're going see some of that this time around. and ultimately, in some of those red states, take texas for example. we have no idea what the turnout is going looking too like in texas. cruz may be up two or three point, or he may be down three or four points. i think it's really, really tough to predict because of the turnout pan. >> yeah, there are going to be some races on tuesday night, next tuesday night where they're just -- there are big misses,
and it's going to be shocking. and that's going to be interesting. cornell belcher and nate silver, thank you both for joining me. >> cool, thank you. >> thank you. that is "all in" in this evening. rachel maddow joins us. thank you. thank you for joining this house. the democratic governor for florida, andrew gillum is going to be live here in have just a minute. i'm looking for ward to the chance to have him here live to the interview, just eight days before the florida's governor's race, and of course all the other elections in the country. also coming up this hour, we're going to be joined by the head of the charity, the jewish charity that the alleged killer at the pittsburgh synagogue massacre this weekend turned into some bizarre anti-semitic conspiracy in his head before he set off to kill those 11 people at shabbat services this weekend. what the alleged killer in pittsburgh was apparently railing about online immediately before he got his guns and went