tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC November 1, 2018 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
right thing. and that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us, all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> you can vote and you can vote. >> five days out. >> everybody gets a vote. >> oprah winfrey's message to voters in georgia and beyond. >> when we all unite, i know for sure a change is going to come. >> plus, andrew gillum on his photo finish in florida. then -- >> this is over if he keeps talking. >> the iowa voter who challenged steve king on white nationalism joins me live. >> sir -- >> stop it. >> plus, the first evidence of a link between the trump campaign and e-mails stolen by the russians. and trymaine lee reports -- >> what is happening here. >> on the explosion of black women running for office in 2018. >> in shelby county we sprinkle
black girl magic all across the field. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes and we are five days out from the midterms and every single day it feels like we're all confronted with some new ugliness from the president and the republican party. but democrats believe they have an anecdote. a naked and disgusting appeal to xenophobia and racism, and republicans are quite explicitly trying to motivate their base to vote. clear about what they're doing, fear and suspicion. the democratic solution, when it's articulated in direct and inspirational terms is simple, a broad inclusive vision in voting and democracy, hope in the power of every individual voter. there's reason tonight to think it may, may be working. a sense of hope is placing states like texas in play where democrat beto o'rourke is trying to unseat senator ted cruz, states like florida where
tallahassee mayor andrew gillum is in a very tight gubernatorial race. but perhaps it's not more significant than georgia, where democrat stacey abrams could become the first black female governor other, running against brian kemp, the georgia secretary of state, who's actively been trying to suppress the vote for years, when he p 53,000 voter registrations on hold, 70% from black voters. he pulled out of -- so he could stump with the president. the nonpartisan poll puts the race a toss-up. today abrams brought in a special guest to help her campaign, oprah winfrey. winfrey hammered home the message of hope, inclusiveness, of the very values of democracy that abrams and other democrats are hoping will win at the polls in just five days. >> i'm here today because of stacey abrams.
and i'm here today -- and i'm here today because of the men and because of the women who were lynched, who were humiliated, who were discriminated against, who were suppressed, who were repressed, and oppressed for the right, for the equality at the polls. and i want you to know that their blood has seeped into my dna. and i refuse to let their sacrifices be in vain. i refuse. and i'm here today -- don't let nobody turn you out. you can't let their sacrifices be in vain. i didn't take voting seriously
until around my mid-20s. around my mid-20s, i had the privilege of hearing reverend otis moss junior, a preacher in cleveland, ohio, and i heard him tell the story of his father, of otis moss jr., who right here in georgia's troop county got up in the morning and put on his only suit and his best tie, and he walked six miles to the voting poll location he was told to go to in la grange. and when he got there, after walking six miles, in his good suit and tie, they said, boy, you're at the wrong place. you're at the wrong place. you need to go over to mountville. so he walked another six miles to mountville. and when he got there, they said, boy, you at the wrong
place, you need to go to the rosemont school. and i picture him walking from dawn to dusk in his suit, his feet tired, getting to the rosemont school, and they say boy, you too late, the polls are closed. and he never had a chance to vote. by the time the next election came around he had died. so when i go to the polls and i cast my ballot, i cast it for a man i never knew. i cast it for otis moss sr. who walked 18 miles one day just for the chance to vote. and when i go into the polls i cast the vote for my grandmother hattie may lee who died in 1963 before the voting rights act of 1965, and never had a chance to vote. i vote for her.
and when i stand in the polls i do what maya angelou says, i come as one, but i stand as 10,000. for all those who paved the way that we might have the right to vote. and for anybody here who has an ancestor who didn't have the right to vote, and you are choosing not to vote, wherever you are in this state, in this country, you are dishonoring your family. you are disrespecting and disregarding their legacy, their suffering and their dreams when you don't vote. so honor your legacy. honor your legacy, honor your
right to citizenship in this, which is the greatest country in the world. the greatest country in the world. and the right to vote is like the crown we all get to wear. >> here to talk about the path forward for democrats in the last days before the election. and jason johnson. that was something today, tara. >> it was incredible. what you're seeing is a new movement, of black women's empowerment, a movement that is no longer demanding a seat at the table. it is a movement that is building its own table. so i think that is what you're seeing around the country, not just in georgia, but i think stacey abrams and her campaign is most reflective of that trend. >> jason, one of the reasons this reason is so fascinating, not least because she's the first black woman in the history of the nation, happening in the south, in a state democrats have had a hard time in,
gubernatorial candidate last in -- before she ever ran, basically you immobilize your coalition, get voters to the polls, you register people and you can win in a state like georgia and she is now testing that as many democrats are across the nation. >> yeah. i think -- we've got to go micro here. i know where that place was, i know that part of marietta, i used to live up there. you got oprah to, on her own, come down and campaign on stacey's behalf. oprah whatever magical palace e she lives in to come down and campaign. she's not campaigned for a candidate almost since obama. indicative of the fact if you work hard and you put a functional campaign together, you will attract people who actually know what they're doing and will put their integrity, their political capital and their social capital on the line. it is an amazing move on the abrams campaign's behalf to not
only get oprah down there, but to not make it about getting a celebrity, she talked about policy and health care. that's what will drive people down the line. >> in listening to the oprah rhetoric, i was reminded of obama. if you're the party in america or the coalition in america, more accurate, that's trying to put together the multiracial coalition, the more diverse coalition, the folks that represent people from a lot of different walks of life, the rhetoric has to be aspirational in reaching out. getting into a sort of fear place isn't the place that you motivate that coalition to stick together. >> exactly. not only is stacey abrams doing it from a policy perspective as jason mentioned, but her campaign itself reflects her very values. her campaign has a significant number of african-americans, not just working on the campaign, but in positions of power on the campaign. she has asians working on her campaign in significant numbers,
bigger numbers than most democratic candidates or any candidates. she has hispanic, white people working on her campaign. she has built that coalition on her campaign and that is not lost on voters. >> that's one of the things we're seeing in this election as much as anything, jason, is the representational gap between who votes for the democratic party and who they have running shrinking. what is happening this year has never happened before in terms of the range of candidates that are going to be on the ballot. >> right. because eventually your candidate should start to look like the people who are voting for you. that's what the democratic party has finally figured out. we see this with gillum and justin fairfax in virginia, and you see it with stacey abrams. marietta is not the black part of town. my favorite indian restaurant is down the street. it's a very diverse part of atlanta. what they're demonstrating is that when you talk policy and aspiration, when you say hey, you shouldn't vote for the guy trying to steal your vote, take
pictures with white nationalists, when you make a campaign about what benefits everybody that's actually to the benefit of not only who was going to vote, but how you end up being covered. that's the difference. this is a very, very close election, coming right down to the line, i suspect i'm going to be there all night following this. but the method and the process that the abrams campaign has put forward is the only way that democrats will be able to be competitive in 2020, let alone in a lot of other states across the south in the coming years. >> what do you see now happening in the conversations and the arguments democrats are making that are starting to shape the way that they're going to message in this sort of trump era? >> you're seeing democrats be more forceful and bolder and more unapologetic in terms of progressivism. that's what you see in the stacey abrams campaign. one thing that doesn't get talked about a lot is how early she started organizing and how she targeted voters who would normally support democrats, but sat out in 2016. she has put together, before her
campaign, she has a training institute for -- to help women run for office. she has a lot of infrastructure. she registered, i believe through one of her other organizations, 200,000 voters or something along those lines. she has been on the ground organizing in these communities. that's the other important element of this is that you can't go to people right before the election and ask for their vote. >> that's the question we're seeing right now. i saw nate silver saying his model is predicting 101 million house votes this year, compared to 78 million in 2014. enormous. every place we're seeing early voting numbers, we're seeing huge jumps, that doesn't say who's going to win. it says people are enthusiastic and people are tuned in. but it does seem that like you can feel right now that people are paying attention. you can just feel it. >> they're paying attention, chris, and what they're also doing is, look, a lot of times in political science, when you're looking at early voting, you always worry is the early vote can bnibalizing same day
voting. the early votes have exceeded the total number of votes in 2014. in blue counties you're seeing it hit 60%, 70%, and 500,000 new voters have already voted early voting in georgia. so if those numbers continue -- >> wait, is that true? >> yes, yes. they had 500,000. >> 500,000, wow. >> yes, 500,000. i was looking at those numbers online. it's insane to see that many new people voting and that many people voting early. when you have those kinds of numbers that suggests that a level of enthusiasm. all those people aren't democrats. you've got republicans who care too. but i'm always happy if we can see a country where people are actually engaged on a regular basis as opposed to skipping. >> it's funny you say that. i was thinking about this today, and i was looking at early voting from nevada. in nevada you're seeing early voting in huge republican margins being run up in rural counties in nevada. my thought was, well, i don't know what this means for the outcome. but it also is just in a general democratic sense, higher turnout
elections are better. that's part of the problem with sort of whole setup we have of midterms when so much is determined in these years, there's such a dropoff, that higher levels of participation in midterms are just going to produce a better democratic result. >> i was in taiwan when they elected their first woman president. i was there election night. they had 80% voter turnout, and they don't have the length think elections we have in this country. participation is better and they have a lot of great progressive policies in that country as well, universal health care, a number of things. it's better. but i want to bring up something we're talking about, and we have to keep talking about it. democrats need to run up the numbers as much as possible to compensate for this massive voter suppression that's happening across this country. >> right. >> on multiple levels, polling places being closed, people being removed from voter rolls, georgia is essentially ground zero for what's happening in this country. so i think that's something else that we have to continue to remind people of.
>> yup. >> and to be cognizant of. it's an issue that even if you have that kind of turnout, how many people are being denied? >> north dakota has been another ground zero, rachel maddow has been covering that. thank you for being here. ahead, andrew gillum joins me with his closing message to florida voters. newly released e-mails show roger stone appear to connect the dots between the trump campaign and wikileaks, what roger stone was pitching to the trump campaign right after this. so, that goal you've been saving for,
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we get a story that brings us this much closer to roger stone acting as the link between wikileaks founder julian assange and those damaging clinton campaign e-mails and the trump campaign. in early october 2016 assange held a weird teleconference promising significant material related to the presidential election, a promise he soon kept. before and after that teleconference roger stone was telling the trump campaign that assange had the goods, according to e-mails obtained by "the new york times." stone claims this was all public knowledge but with robert mueller's obvious interest in this topic, including subpoenas to stone associates, it looks like there might be more there. to dig through the e-mails, i'm joining by natasha bertrand, and nick akerman, former assistant special watergate prosecutor. the times ran a story today and roger stone ran an op-ed in some publications.
what is new in this story? >> we're learning for the first time that steve bannon, then the campaign chairman was essentially directly in touch with roger stone about the wikileaks e-mail releases days before wikileaks started dumping the podesta e-mails. that day was the same day, minutes after the access hollywood tape was released by "the washington post." what's really important for mueller to understand here, and i think what he's trying to get at, is whether or not that was a coordinated release, whether or not the campaign now knowing that roger stone apparently had this line into wikileaks and julian assange and knew that e-mails were coming then coordinated in some way so that if something damaging came out about trump in days before the election then wikileaks and the e-mails that had been hacked by the russians could respond appropriately. >> october 7th, of course, an hour after "the washington post" publishing the access hollywood tape, the first -- happens.
coincidence. >> there's a bigger picture here, what mueller is doing. he's not putting together a report, he's trying to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt. if you look at the time when manafort started cooperating was just about after that where you see all of these reports about roger stone and people being called into the grand jury. >> one after another. >> right. >> and sometimes multiple times, jerome corsi twice, steve bannon twice. >> he's got a star witness, manafort, who should no intimately everything roger stone was doing from the day that manafort started with the campaign in march of 2016 to the day he left on august 13th or 14th of 2016. so what mueller is trying to do, he knows what manafort knows, manafort certainly knows what roger stone was doing. i mean, they grew up together, they were business partners together. i am sure as campaign manager he knew exactly what roger stone was doing with wikileaks and
with the russians. so what you've got now is what any good prosecutor would do is trying to corroborate what manafort is saying. >> right. >> so that when you come to a jury and you actually charge people with a crime, you can't get up there and say just believe paul manafort who's been convicted of all kinds of crimes of lying and false fieing, you've got to be able to say you can also look at all of this other evidence that supports exactly what he's telling you, ladies and gentlemen. >> one of the key parts is the timeline, the roger stone tweets october 2nd before the teleconference, wednesday hillary clinton is done, he also says the next day i have total confidence wikileaks and julian assange will educate the american people soon. october 3rd, before he says the big teleconference in which matthew boil, who is a bannon breitbart guy, a go between is saying, you know, what does assange got? hope it's good and stone is saying, it is, i'd tell bannon, but he doesn't call me back.
again, this is before the big assange announcement. >> right. and stone had been or assange had been teasing some kind of october surprise for some time in public. so stone keeps falling back on this idea that everything that he knew was public information. and that might be plausible if not for the fact that i obtained messages between julian assange, or wick qkileaks and roger ston indicating they were in direct communication. roger stone has said there's an intermedia, this radio host working behind the scenes to preview the material. one thing roger stone did not tell the house intelligence committee when he testified last year was that he was actually talking to wikileaks directly. he did not mention, something we forget a lot, that he met with a russian in may of 2016 in order to obtain dirt on hillary clinton. he obtained this -- he met with this man named henry greenberg
with a thick russian accent, knew he was russian, had dirt on clinton in the form of e-mails. this is something roger stone was looking for from the very beginning, from early 2016. so yeah. >> because nick's theory of the case on this, which he said before, is that stone was sort of a cutout, that he left the campaign basically -- >> oh, back in 2015. >> but that was sort of in name only so he could do the kinds of things natasha is talking about, take the meetings and not be part of the campaign. >> the mirror image of the russian indictment on the 13 intelligence officers that were indicted this year. the scope of that conspiracy was not only the theft of the e-mails from the democratic national committee and all the documents, but it was also the staging and release of those documents. >> staging and release. >> that's where roger stone comes into play. >> staging and release. it really is remarkable this is all happening in the background as we go towards election day. after election day we could be looking at a whole new universe.
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he's -- there's rick scott's attempt to unseat bill nelson. and joining me now is andrew gillum who next tuesday could become the first black governor of the state of florida. mayor, good to have you on. first question, does the president help or hurt you when he comes to town? >> i'm not sure what the president does. i missed his rally last night. i was out trick or treating with my three kids. but i will tell you the president has made this election all about him. the only benefit i have is that my opponent ron desantis and the president seem to be twins at dividing, at stoking the politics of fear, and quite frankly i think they underestimate the people of the state of florida. we're going to resoundly reject that kind of politics. in the same week that 11 families are burying loved ones
in pittsburgh, pennsylvania and we had bombs mailed into homes of prominent democrats around the country, people have reached their limit with this kind of politics. i think they're going to unapologetically reject it on november 6th here in florida. >> you're someone who has -- who won a primary in a big surprise, way outperformed polls, you figured out how to turn people out that people didn't anticipate. what is your argument to someone watching that says why does it matter who is governor in my life and my family's life? >> well, i tell you, in a state like mine, boy does it matter. we've had a governor who's failed to expand medicaid for over 800,000 of the most medically needy people in my state. marijuana, medical marijuana passed overwhelmingly by the voters in our state and our governor has slow footed it. he's created a regulatory nightmare trying to prevent the will of the people from being imposed, teachers in my state earn an average salary that is the 45th lowest of all 50
states. for anyone who concludes that it doesn't matter they simply need to ask themselves, does the education of their children and their grandchildren matter? does having an economy where people earn a wage that they can live on matter? affordable housing, a good clean environment. i know it's easy the get really worked up over national politics, and national politics is important. but for the people in my state, the office of governor has a much more everyday impact on our lives, and if you want to have something to do about that, then you need to vote. as i was always told if you're not at the table it means you're likely on the menu. if the people of my state want to get off the menu it's time to get out there and vote. >> i want to play you something. your opponent ron desantis, a republican member of congress, voted to repeal the affordable care act and he's been trying to distance himself from the implications of that vote. i want to play you what he had to say about support for preexisting conditions and get your response. take a listen. >> there's always been, for
decades, federal guarantee of preexisting conditions. i've always supported that. i've never voted in any way to change that. obviously a smaller number of people on the individual insurance market got caught up in obamacare, and i support providing protections for those people for preexisting conditions. if i'm governor, and anyone falls through the cracks i'm happy to sign a bill to help out folks with preexisting conditions. >> what do you say to that? >> well, my opponent fails the truth test. he voted over a dozen times to repeal the affordable care act while a member of congress. he voted to allow insurance companies to discriminate against people based off of preexisting conditions, to be able to charge them more and deny them coverage. there are a lot of issues upon which my opponent and i have real differences, probably none are greater than on the issue of health care. he's opposed, expanding medicaid here in the state of florida, and pulling down $6 billion from the federal government, and so
doing. he has not protected folks with preexisting conditions. in fact, has done the opposite of that. mr. desantis, quite frankly, has not demonstrated that he has much of a relationship with the truth over the course of this campaign. what i have run on, in fact my opponent, i think, just put out a health care policy a week or two ago, after running in this race for over a year without any willingness to talk about what he's going to do to expand access, lower costs and ensure coverage for more people. >> let me ask you this final question. you've got a big state, a fascinating state with all kinds of different people and all different stages of life, famously weird, i say that with love and affection, for those in your -- >> watch it. >> for those in your state who say look, this gillum guy, i like im, i also like the president, the president says he's a bad guy, people who voted for the president, like the president, but maybe are interested in andrew gillum, what is your message to them why
should they vote for you if they also like president trump? >> well, i want them to vote for themselves. i mean, over the course of this race we've been willing to go anywhere and talk to anybody. i was in putnam county, a county that trump won by double digits. and we had a room that could fit 600 people. we thought we might get 200. the room was not big enough to receive everybody. we've campaigned famously in the villages, one of the most conservative areas of our state, pensacola yesterday, across the northern panhandle, a very conservative part of the state, and, look, i talk to folks as if they're human, not as if they're republicans or democrats. i was born to a mother who was a school bus driver and a dad who was a construction worker. i'm the first in my family to graduate from high school and the first to graduate from college. my lived experience better reflects the everyday people than anybody else running. i'm asking them to give me the
only thing in life my mother told me to ask for, a chance. i promise to get up every single day to make their state a better place. i don't care who's on the other side, a failed president or a failed congressman, i'm always team florida. if folks give me a chance to serve, they will see that exactly. >> andrew gillum, as the band strikes up in the background, thank you for making some time. >> thank you. after this, congressman steve king under fire like never before, today he erupted at one of his constituents.
$641,000 on tuesday and wednesday alone to prominent republicans disavowed king this week and three companies said they would no longer provide him financial support. tomorrow king will run his first television ad at the cycle, a de facto acknowledgment he's in danger in a district donald trump carried by 27 points. at a candidate forum today king absolutely exploded when constituent caleb von foszen asked how his views differed -- >> this saturday there was a shooting at synagogue in pittsburgh that left 11 people dead. the terrorist who committed the crime, he was quoted as saying they bring invaders that kill our people, i can't sit back and watch our people get slaughtered. you steve king had been quoted as saying we can't restore our civilization with other people's babies.
you and the shooter both share an ideology that is -- >> no, don't you do that. do not associate me with that shooter. i knew you were an ambusher when you walked in the room. we don't play these games here in iowa. no, you're don. you crossed the line. it's not tolerable to accuse me to be associated with a guy that shot 11 people in pittsburgh. i am a person who has stood with israel from the beginning, the length of that nation is the length of my life. and i've been with him all along and i will not answer your question, i'll not listen to another word from you. this is over if he keeps talking. this is over if you don't stop talking. i'm leaving if you don't -- >> his answer -- yes. >> sir -- >> stop it. >> you're done. i would ask whoever is guarding this door to lead this man out of the room. >> and joining me now, that
constituent that steve king kicked out, kaleb van fossen. we asked congressmen king to come on the show tonight. kaleb, why did you do that? >> the reason i did this is because this saturday in pittsburgh there was a tragic shooting that left 11 people dead. and the ideology of the murder who committed this act was the same bigoted white supremacist ideology that steve king espouses. >> he says he's a member of congress who's never committed a crime, espousing his belief for america. what do you say to that? >> well, him and -- steve king and the shooter both share this core belief that american or western culture, which is basically white culture in steve king's mind, is under attack by
this foreign enemy and they have both talked and espoused ideas about white genocide and the great replacement. if you look at king's rhetoric and compare it to the shooters, it's very much in line and it's clear they both share very -- >> he seemed to think you were not -- you are an iowan, is that correct? >> oh, absolutely. i live in his district. >> yeah, he seemed to think that you were somehow not from the district. he said, this is now how we do this in iowa. it made me wonder, a lot of people watch king from outside that district, is that the belief system of the folks in that district. you're in that district. what would you say? >> no, absolutely not. i mean, typically iowa people have good values. iowans care about each other. they want to live in a community where people look out for each other and people aren't building these lines of us versus them and this just isn't the highway now. steve king may have been elected but he doesn't represent your everyday iowan. >> he has a real race, it seems,
on his hands and it doesn't seem like he's been doing a lot of these events. a candidate forum, where was it? >> yeah, it was a candidate forum. i paid $15 for the ticket. you're right, he hasn't been doing a lot of these events. i traveled four hours away this saturday to talk to him at another event. as soon as i walked up and tried to shake his hand he immediately walked up, had his son come up and kick me out of the venue. >> this is before you asked this question or after you'd asked the question? >> this was before, this is saturday. this is my second time trying to talk to steve king. >> hence the suspicion you were an ambusher. >> not at all. i am one of his constituents, i had a sincere question i wanted to talk to him about. >> believe me, i agree. are there people in your campus, for instance there at iowa state university in ames, iowa in the district that steve king represents talking about this race? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. one thing i want to point out,
though, is that steve king is a person who traveled on a plane across the globe to austria to talk to white supremacists, but won't talk to his own constituents. >> that's hurting him right now in his district. a special report from trymaine lee on a wave of black women elected to shelby county, tennessee. today, 97% of employers agree
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in a year where democrats are contesting seats once considered out of their reach, it's emblematic of what we're seeing nationwide. mike espy joins me now. how does the race look down there? >> hi, chris, the crowds are large, the enthusiasm is palpable. the political report just moved us another two spots. i believe we're the only race, senate race in the country honestly that's moved in the right direction since the kavanaugh hearing. so we see it, our donations are up and people are very enthusiastic. and, you know, we don't have early voting here in mississippi like most other states. but the registrars of mississippi are now saying that they've seen more absentee ballots for the tuesday election than they've ever seen before in quite a while. all of that portends something good for us, we believe, on tuesday.
>> so mississippi might be the most conservative state in the union. i think it's up there. and obviously that part of that is the history it has and which have been very fraught along racial lines. as a black man and as a democrat in 2018, what's your pitch statewide to the mississippi voter? >> well, let's look at the numbers. it is a conservative state, yes. but we've got 13,000 more black registered voters than in the entire state of alabama. and we've done a pretty good job, i think, in registering black voters all over the summer. we know blackwood votes -- you know that, and i know that. there are a lot of purple people, by that i mean they're resonating, they are receiving me with regard to the issues that we're promoting. number one, health care. they're really tired of the preexisting conditions. in mississippi, we're the number one state in the nation that said all these rural hospitals
are closing, because our state leadership sometime ago refused to accept the medicaid expansion money. and those shakers are coming home to used to be funded by the federal medicaid mandate is no longer there. so people, the purple people just want education to expand. they want prescription drug prices to be lowered. they want to know that the insurance companies cannot deny policies based on preexisting conditions, and they're really looking at me as someone who has been there before, that can reach across the chasm and reduce all this division we have. >> are your two opponents, the current incumbent senator who i believe was appointed to that position, cindy hyde smith and chris mcdaniel. >> yes. >> do they both oppose medicaid expansion in the state? >> well, i only know about cindy hyde-smith. you know, she voted -- i've got to look at their local records,
but i think from based on what they've said, they do. >> you mentioned alabama, obviously, and the number of black voters in your state compared to alabama. have you looked at the doug jones victory which is a different electorate, against an incredibly polarizing figure. >> yes. >> but has that given you a sense of a road map to where your victory might lie? >> in a way, in a way we hired some of doug jones' key people. their media strategist. i think black women did a really good job for doug jones in getting out the vote. so we've poached, if you will, a lot of them, they're over head in mississippi. and then we have the churches, a lot of the pastors, the students, the leaders rising up on our behalf. we think all of this is going to aggregate into a really big victory for us, even if there is a runoff. >> is it your expectation there
will be a runoff? i know the republican establishment really didn't like mcdaniel. he keeps getting in. he has been sort of a thorn in their side. it seems he has enough following that the anticipation is that no one is going to clear that 50% hurdle. >> we're taking it one day at a time, one election at a time, if you will. >> yep. >> i think chris mcdaniel has a very solid, very loyal base so i believe irrespective of the noise going on, he is going to do well. but the better he does, the better i'll do, right? we're going to look at what happens on tuesday. >> you just said the thing out loud, mike espy. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> mike espy is one of many historic running in the midterm. the result is especially clear in one area of tennessee in the south, shelby county, which includes the city of memphis, where at least 20 women have already won in the primary and general races this year. eight of those groundbreaking
women and one of their campaign manager, all african american women, many who are first-time candidates all met up with first time incumbent trymaine lee to hear their stories. >> we're here at the national civil rights museum. so clearly there is something special happening here in memphis. what is happening here? >> it was exciting when the voters clearly made a choice to elect at least 20 plus women into office this year. so that's very exciting. >> not just women, but black women. >> black women, yes. >> i think you can see nationwide there has been an interest in black women from stepping behind the scenes and actually running for office. in shelby county, we sprinkled black girl magic all across the field. >> it's everywhere. >> everywhere. >> my kids actually worked on my campaigns. my daughter was at every event with me. i grew up with the single mom. i've been the woman who was on public assistance. i've been the woman who had to sleep in the car with her kids. >> this is one of your class
members? >> these are our practical nursing students. tennessee's only black nursing school. when i started my school, i started because there were not very many opportunities for post secondary education to those who didn't have a traditional pathway in life, much like me. so it led me to start being involved in my community, more outside of my business. and that's how i got into politics. >> was there ever a moment of doubt when you said maybe this is too much? >> people who now believe in me that didn't even know who i was, people who have invested in me, people who have showed up to work for me. i can't quit. i can't let them down. >> are we at a point where black women in particular are finally getting the respect they deserve, or is there still a lot of work to do? >> i just think more women are starting to feel like they can take charge, and they can be in leadership positions. and people are tired. i mean, they want to change. they want to see someone in office who gets things done and who gets things done but women?
>> how many of y'all are first-time candidates? >> i'm a first-time candidate. i actually made history as well. first woman and african american to hold the circuit court clerk's seat. it's just been an amazing feeling to not only represent shelby county, but to show my children they can do whatever they want if they put their mind to it. >> i think maybe sometimes that the younger people thought that they couldn't be elected. and i just wanted to show them, step out and show them that women can be elected. >> my campaign made sure that we let young people know you have the opportunity to be involved. you have an opportunity to sit in these seats, and you have an opportunity to make change. >> so at 27, the youngest among this amazing group of candidates, how does it feel to represent not just being a black woman, but a young black women? >> we galvanize young people, and we went to the streets. we went back to our old community roots. we talked to people. when you give us qualified, strong black candidates, we will
turn out to the polls and vote. >> how many of y'all have beat guys to get to where you are now? how did that feel? that feel kind of good? >> i am woman, hear me roar. it felt great. >> it did. i too beat a long-time incumbent for my seat. and it was just a matter of just saying you know what? why not me? >> i've been in the state house. i worked 35 years as a teacher, and i've been in the state house for 21 years. you get called girl. can you believe that? listen, just call me barbara, miss barbara, ms. cooper, representative cooper, but just call me by my name. >> you have to work harder than everybody else. you have to work longer than everybody else. you to be smarter, show up earlier. it's hard to run for office as a woman. >> we had to fight a different way in order to gain respect from the men that we were sitting next to. >> this is one of our largest african american communities in the county.
in spite what our ancestors had to go through as slaves on the plantation, they decided to build and keep their families here. they built their homes on top of grounds where the slaves once lived. >> and what does it mean for y'all to represent your community, especially with these deep historic roots to these communities? >> black girls got in the parade this year. and as we were walking down the street, i'll never forget this moment. the women were bringing their girls up to us to try to take pictures. it's almost like they just can't believe someone who looks like them, someone who looks like their mother is on tv, holding a microphone, standing and talking to a large crowd of people, or walking in the street and waving to the public. it's a beautiful feeling. >> this sends a message to not only to women and black women, just to men. in this era of the me too movement, to all men out there like you know what? these are women who need to be respected. they're smart. they're savvy.
they can do this. >> i think this group of women, we live the concept of i am my sister's keeper. see, campaigning for office is difficult. and to be able to see your sister on the poll and know she's going through the same thing is really important. the tribe of black women that lift and support us up has made all the difference for us. >> and trymaine lee joins me now. great sort of insight into what's going on down there. one thing that struck me, how did these people make the decision to go from noncandidate to candidate? >> for many of them it felt like it was just time. they talked about a blue wave, and they said they wanted to see this black wave happen. as we know, black women overindex in terms of political engagement, but their representation is not there. we see what is happening with stacey abrams and shelby county, i've heard that black women are expected to be the political mules f mules for democratic party. they're come to bat for tournaments, when they have nowhere else to turn, they turn to black women in these
communities. to see a community where black women have showed up, showed out, are wanting change. sabrina robinson unseated a 12-year incumbent. that's no small task in a city like memphis. >> it's true there is such a gap between reputation and how reliable those voters are and how engaged they are. did they talk about the sort of what it's been like to go from candidate to now either office holder or about to be an office holder? >> well, the big challenge was just getting through the campaigning and the election. and you know how dirty local politics can be when everybody nose your business. they know who your daddy. they know where all the skeletons are. for many of the candidates said just getting out there every single day, putting your face out there, knocking on the doors, there was a change, that you had to step up because it was a calling and it had to be done. >> if you've never been around someone running for local, local office, it's an amazingly humbling experience. >> right. >> it's not real glorious. >> no. >> it's like a loft people trying to get people's attention and they don't want to talk to
you. it's part of what is beautiful about democracy. trymaine lee, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. that reporting from trymaine was so incredible. well done. thanks to you at home. happy to have you with us. if you are sensing a little tension, a little drama, a little frissant of expectation about the election, if you get the sense that things are a little tense right now, closely fought in terms of how the elections are going to be decided, that is not just you projecting from your own internal levels of anxiety and stress. what you are sensing is a true thing that is measurable in the world. never more so than it is pleasurable tonight. look at this. this is a new poll just released tonight in one of the most fascinating and important races that is going to happen in