tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC November 1, 2018 7:00pm-8:00pm PDT
that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the "last word" with the great lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> rachel, i have a very controversial question for you, which we've never discussed and even on those long canoe rides we do on the weekend on the lake, it's never come up. and that is where are you on oprah? for or against? >> oprah is or hopra as far as i'm concerned. when everything else falls to hell and the ash collapses oprah will still be there to show us the way.
>> oprah is one of those for whom for and against is obviously a joke. there's no against accept in i guess some crazed precincts. i woke up this morning believing that oprah winfrey should not be a candidate for anything. i've always thought that. i'm one of those people who thinks there's some training involved here and experience that's necessary, and being a tv star is not that experience. that's the country we used to live in, apparently. and then i watched her in georgia, and i was stunned at how good she was on the political stage as a politician. that's what she was today, a really effective high-level communicating politician. >> yeah, and she was good on notes when she was reading for notes, when she was coming in there with sort of prepared remarks. she was really, really, good when she was off her prepairred
remarks. and part of it that made people consider her as a potential candidate is how well she said she didn't want to run. that's kind of like a trifecta. that and don't put on a hat and you're pretty much a top tier candidate. >> wonderfully there was nothing in the kind of polished politician quality of her speech at all. it was raw and real and honest and historical and thoughtful and wise and on-point. >> it was oprah. >> so that's what it was. okay, it was oprah. all right, i am a changed -- well, not a changed man. i'm a changed political analyst on oprah. i am now for. >> we'll talk it over in the canoe. >> okay, in the canoe this weekend. thank you, rachel. okay, let me get ready here because there's only five days. five days to go.
five nights from right now at this very minute, this hour we will be counting votes in the election that could change america. the election that could change donald trump's life both as a politician and the subject of a special prosecutor's criminal prosecution of the president. and the election that could change your life. it will change your life one way or the other. and there are only four more campaign days. four is the real number to think about. that's how many campaign days there are. four. friday, saturday, sunday, monday, that's it. then it's over. candidates make their last speeches monday night and voters will start going to the polls early tuesday morning. four campaign days left. and the challenge for democrats is one they have never faced before. it's one that no party has ever faced before in the history of american politics. the challenge for democrats is
how do you campaign against a pathological liar who is president of the united states? now, two years ago hillary clinton campaigned against a path logic pathological liar who was not president. what's happening now is different, very, very different because today the pathological liar who is now president can say he's going to send military personnel to the southern border and it might actually happen or some version of that might actually happen because the pathological liar is president. donald trump can now use the presidency for campaign stunts, as he did once again today. he used the white house, the roosevelt room which is supposed to be reversed for government meetings and he delivered a trump-rally style speech with no substance. he announced no new policy proposals. the white house lied and said the president was going to make policy proposals, but he did
not. no president has ever used the white house as a campaign location five days before an election the way the president did today. how did democrats campaign against that? how should democrats campaign against these campaign stunts that are filled with pathological lies? that a very difficult question. now, no one should pretend that that's an easy question. and i know some people do. should democrats fight directly against what the president says, or will that bring more attention to the latest lie the president has told? like today when the president said that when american troops are on the southern border they will be allowed to shoot to kill anyone who throws a rock at them. the president actually said, quote, we will consider that a firearm because there's not much difference when you get hit in the face with a rock. donald trump thinks there's not much difference between a bullet and a rock. donald trump has never served a day in the military. no one named trump has.
not his father, not his grandfather. it's not what trumps do. no trump has ever served in the military or in the war of their era. i know when i was a kid i didn't know anyone in my neighborhood whose father had not served in the military. during vietnam most families i knew had someone serving in the military including mine. but i didn't know anyone named trump. everyone i know knows the difference between a bullet and a rock and the law knows the difference between a bullet and a rock. and if they shoot someone who throws a rock, that soldier will be arrested on the spot and charged with murder and manslaughter because that soldier has no greater legal right to use a firearm in the united states than any other person living in the united
states. donald trump doesn't know that. donald trump's voters don't know that, but democrats do know that. should the democrats run out there and say today donald trump is advocating that soldiers commit crimes on u.s. soil? as a presidential candidate donald trump repeatedly advocated that the military should commit war crimes, torture in foreign countries presumably. as a candidate he said we should not just kill our enemies but the families of our enemies, but the children of our enemies, it babies of our enemies, all war crimes. all of that. how do you campaign against a pathological liar like this? campaign managers and strategists on the democratic side around the country have been thinking about this every day and every sleepless night. they think about it a lot more than you do or i do, and i don't feel smarter than any one of them. and their choice seems to be to
run for the office, not run against donald trump. because running against donald trump is running against a moving target. a moving target of pathological lying insanity. democrats are making sure that voters know that republicans have pledged their loyalty to donald trump, but most democratic candidates are then spending most of their time telling voters what is at stake for them, the voters and the way they live their lives starting with their own health care and the affordability of health care in this country. the country where you can still go bankrupt if someday in a doctor's office a test comes out the wrong way for you. 71% of voters know that. 71% of voters say health care is the most important issue in this campaign. donald trump's choice after seeing that poll is to simply lie and say he and republicans will protect your health care and protect you if you have pre-existing conditions. even though they have attacked your right to have health
insurance if you have pre-existing conditions. even though they have tried to rip those health insurance policies right out of your hands, which every single republican in washington has tried to do. every one of them has voted to do that repeatedly. and so in the face of that trump lie the democrats say this. >> universal health care just means that everyone can see that specialist, that primary care physician, get the mental health care they need to be at their best. universal care in this state that has made it so hard for women to get a cervical cancer screening, see a family planner provider, see we're now at the epicenter of a mortality crisis three times as deadly for women of color in this state. universal care can also mean that every woman makes her own decisions about her own body and has access to the care that ensures that she can. >> when asked about pre-existing
condition by a reporter yesterday donald trump actually said this word for word. what the democrats are going to do is destroy our entire health care and you're not going to have any health care. you would destroy the country. you are not going to have health care. those are the words of a deranged man. how do you campaign against that? much is being made of something else donald trump said in that same interview. quote, when i can i tell the truth. and much of the news media has reacted as if that's a giant admission on donald trump's part hat he doesn't always tell the truth. but what donald trump actually said there is a lie. he said when i can i tell the truth. when i can? he doesn't tell the truth when he can. he lies all the time. he lies when the lie is instantly provable as a lie.
he lies directly to people who he knows know that he's lying, looks right into their eye. he knows that they know it's a lie and he still says it. that is sickness. the man is sick. he is is deeply perverse pathological liar all the time. a rock is the same as a bullet. if democrats are elected, quote, says trump you are not going to have health care. when i can i tell the truth. much of the news media now thinks that donald trump has admitted that he is lying about the news media being the enemy of the people. said to the president in an interview, i don't think you think we're the enemy of the people, do you? and trump said, i don't, i don't. now, why does anyone think he's telling it truth in that answer? here's what i think donald trump means in that answer to jim
vandehei. he doesn't think the news media is the enemy of the people. he thinks the news media is the enemy of donald trump. donald trump has not and will never care about the people. he cares about trumps and not necessarily every single person named trump. he clearly favors some of his children over others. he sees the news media as his enemy, and he is enlisting his voters to join him in seeing the news media as their enemy by telling them that the news media is their enemy, the enemy of the people. that sounds better than the enemy of donald trump. that wouldn't elicit quite as much support. a lot, but not quite as much as the enemy of all of you out there in my red hatted audience. that's the way donald trump says it. donald trump believes and has always believed that anyone who ever tries to tell the truth about donald trump is his enemy. that is his definition of enemy,
and that is his definition of the political party he's running against, the enemy. american politicians have always understood prior to trump the difference between the word opponent and enemy. the word enemy was used for foreign countries under declarations of war. an opponent, that word could be used reasonably in political campaigns and on the floor of the united states senate, where sents respective of each other rose as aopponents of each other in debate without ever dreaming that the other senator or anyone in their party was their enemy. just their temporary debating opponent. how do democrats campaign against someone who will say anything when that someone is the president of the united states? joining us now john heilemann, national affairs analyst for msnbc news and nbc and co-host of the circus.
and john heilemann, when i watch these trump events as we watched today in the roosevelt room, there's the job i have which is what am i going to say about this, is this something i'm going to ignore from him, how do i deal with it? and it might be i don't mention it or i do or analyze it. but i also wonder what are the democratic candidates thinking when they see these events? what are their campaign managers thinking? is it something some of them need to jump out on it? is it something they shouldn't? what are you finding as you talk to democratic candidates as you go around for your the circus show time show? >> let me say that opening was excellent. i now want to say i like donald trump when he says when i can tell the truth. when i can i like to sit at this
table with his life being mixed with "snl" with a lilt bit of shakespeare in the park. this week we're doing this episode we're seeing on the democratic bench, the heaviest hitters, joe biden, cory booker, elizabeth warren, barack obama at the end of the week, oprah winfrey all out on the field right now basically saying we're going to take on trump. i haven't seen all of them. but just off the plane from columbus so i could sit here and listen to you do that excellent opening. she didn't mention donald trump's name once. not once did she mention it -- >> that's a strategic choice. >> and if you noticed oprah winfrey didn't go after trump today. i was with cory booker and he mentioned donald trump at the
end of an event from menendez where he was basically saying you've got to re-elect bob menendez to stop donald trump. but over the course of those four hours the last three minutes was when he mentioned donald trump. i have found it interesting stop donald trump, hatred of donald trump, feral of donald trump, that in the closing moments the biggest guns of the democratic party are not talking about donald trump, they are talking about the things you mentioned before, the substantive issues. they're basically saying you can't deal with this lunatic. what you can do is he's a liar and the way to deal with that is talk about health care, talk about jobs. >> how's andrew gillum handling what the president does every day? >> well, for the most part, lawrence, he's really trying to make sure he focuses on the issues apparently people care about. health care is obviously a big issue. and him responding to the issues
that i guess trump brings up but not directly to trump himself. he's not going to necessarily comment on a particular thing trump says or does. but he's going to comment on the spirit of what trump is doing. you've seen that in his as and speeches and rhetoric. but again i marched near him when he was at the florida a&m homecoming parade a few weeks ago and not one person on the side was yelling stop trump, but they were asking, hey, i need a job, i need to make sure i have health care, i have a brother in jail who is -- you know, what kind of future is he going to have? i need to know these very practical things that real people deal with. and i think this definition of kitchen table issues is different in the trump era. we're not worried about what necessarily he's saying every day, but we're worried about what he's embodying and how that is translating into policy. >> let's listen to what beto
o'rourke said about the possibility of 5,000 soldiers being sent to the southern boarder. and beto o'rourke is in a spot running in texas when the president starts talking about the southern border, that's the border of texas. so he's making a decision on a daily basis at least on issues like that to go straight back on the president because that is local issue in his race. let's listen to what betso o'rourke -- by the way, lifetime resident of the border area in el paso. let's listen to what he has to say about it. >> he wants to send more than 5,000 soldiers to this community and other kmubts communities at border, demeaning the sacrifice of nearly 20,000 border patrol agents who keep our communities safe. i want to make sure we don't give in to that paranoia, we don't submit to that fear, that we don't allow ourselves to be
defined by walls 2,000 feet long, 30 feet high a cost of $30 billion. >> some of the things i've heard about the southern border comes from people who live at the southern border like beto o'rourke. >> the most integrated country and he knows and also we got to listen to him talking about this, talking about his uncle who was in law enforcement. the way he talks about the border patrol, the way he talks about it he's had to be part of that community not just representing it in congress which he does but also whose entire family lineage comes from that and who has seen every side of this issue. and whatever you think about beto o'rourke's electoral fortunes down in texas right now, you think about the contrast how he talks about that issue and the way donald trump
talks about it and you recognize the difference between just reality and fantasy and delusion. >> jamil, what are you expecting to hear in just four days left of campaigning interest democrats? >> i think democrats would be wise to essentially couch the language of trump within the real lives of americans. instead of saying this is racist and it's willie horton and this is that, they'd be wise to concentrate on how of tfensive is republicans are lying to them on health care, for instance? criminal justice reform and other things you'll never hear a republican mention. these are things that democratic voters need to know these folks stand on and they're going to act upon if they're elected. you know that they're against trump. they need to come to the table with a little bit more. >> john heilemann, jamil smith, thank you both for starting us off tonight. when we come back a very
strange revelation of e-mails between steve bannon and others in the trump campaign that "the new york times" is reporting there's all sorts of crossfire in the trump campaign about this. and later we're going to see oprah winfrey campaigning in georgia today where i learned an awful lot about what could be the political future of oprah winfrey and more importantly the immediate political future of stac stacey abrams. . in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured and left those doubts behind. i faced reminders of my hep c every day. but in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. even hanging with friends i worried about my hep c. but in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. mavyret is the only 8-week cure for all common types of hep c. before starting mavyret your doctor will test if you've had hepatitis b which may flare up and cause serious liver problems during and after treatment. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b,
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so was roger stone a criminal or was roger stone just boasting that he was a criminal? that is what the special prosecutor is investigating. "the new york times" is reporting that roger stone sold himself to the trump campaign as the pipeline to wikileaks, which was then trafficking in stolen e-mails from democrats in washington. "the new york times" published an extraordinary article today filled with e-mails to and from steve bannon and roger stone. "the times" says nothing about how they obtained these e-mails. are they stolen e-mails? roger stone doesn't think so. he issued a statement today blaming steve bannon or an associate of steve bannon who used to be an associate of roger stone for just giving these e-mails, offering them to "the new york times." roger stone said bannon or his hatchet man sam nunberg, who used to be stone's hatchet man,
leaked this e-mail exchange to the various media outlets. now, this program has no history of trafficking in stolen e-mails. i did not read the e-mails that north korea stole from sony studios when other media in this country was trafficking in those stolen e-mails and falsely calling them hacked e-mails instead of the fruit of an international crime, which is what they were. the news media has actually never stopped to consider what our standards should be for handling and talking about stolen e-mails. and so during the presidential campaign the e-mails stolen from the democrats were constantly being read aloud on television and they were being referred to as hacked e-mails. the words stolen weren't used very much, and they were printed in all the major newspapers. now, steve bannon interestingly is not publicly complaining at all about his e-mails being
published in "the new york times," which is almost all you need to know to accept roger stone's theory that steve bannon has simply handed over those e-mails because he's trying to hurt roger stone by just giving all those e-mails to "the new york times." and those e-mails do hurt roger stone. the e-mails were sent on october 4, 2016, hours after the wikileaks founder, julian assange, told reporters in a weird videoconference that he would soon release, quote, significant material related to the presidential election. bannon then e-mailed roger stone that day saying what was that this morning. stone replied, fear, serious security concern. he thinks they are going to kill him and the london police are standing down. however, a load every week going forward. three days later the load began. wikileaks began releasing the e-mails that were stolen from hillary clinton's campaign
chairman. joining our discussion now dahlia, senior editor and legal correspondent for slate.com. also joining us is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama and also an msnbc legal contributor. dahlia, as i say the whole stolen e-mail question is something the media has never figured out, but these seem like they were just handed to the "the new york times" to get roger stone in more trouble. >> i think so. and also stone today he tried to scoop "the times" by putting them out minutes before himself. >> that was the donald trump, jr. strategy when his e-mails were under suspicion. >> but i think you're quite right, we haven't figured out what we mean when we talk about stolen e-mails in the media. >> at a min fm calling them stolen is big improvement over hacked when they're actually stolen. joyce vance, what are you
reading in these e-mails? what do you think the special prosecutor is reading in these e-mails? >> they're awfully interesting. they certainly do damage stone as you point out. but they also make bannon coming out looking a bit better than he might have looked based on the rumors. so obviously mueller has had an opportunity to interview bannon in the last few days, to talk to a lot of other people. he knows more than what we see in the e-mails. it crux of the matter is was the campaign in the know, and if so who in the campaign? >> "the new york times" reports mr. stone presented himself to trump campaign officials as a conduit of inside information from wikileaks. mr. bannon and two other former senior campaign officials have detailed to prosecutors how mr. stone created that impression. so dahlia, this is serious investigation. >> it's being cleared for the last few weeks. we know that mueller is really
honing in on stone. we know he's talked to a whole bunch of stone associates, he's met with some of them several times. this is clearly important. i think we have to be really clear today we don't necessarily have a smoking gun here, and what we do have and i think this goes right to what you opened the show with is stone saying something today that discredits something he literally said two days ago, when he said there are no e-mails. sort of suggesting i'm the pipeline between the campaign and wikileaks. and two days later that's manifestly untrue, and we've got the documents to prove it. the thing that wrangales for me is the lining and just saying oh, it was just puffery when i was lying. but it's all this endless attempt to destabilize fact finding and truth. >> joyce, he's in serious perjury problems if he said to any federal investigators that
there are no e-mails and then these e-mails emerge. >> he seems like someone who may have a number of perjury issues. you know, what dahlia talks about is this sort of progressive story telling that he's had over time. and as you point out, if he's said anything under oath oath or in a formal setting with the fbi that alone could be enough to subject him to formal charges and it would have echoes of really against the charges against manafort and others that were used to bring them in and cooperate. >> there's an interesting indicator about how long the special prosecutor might have known about this. and that is in the questions to the president that the president's legal team kind of released as these are the things that the special prosecutor is interested in. and this was several months ago that they released their written notes about the questions. one of the questions to the president from the special prosecutor was to be, what did you know about communication
between roger stone, his associates, julian assange or wikileaks? so it sounds there when you consider that mueller was asking that question of the president many, many months ago, they've been on this for a while. >> they're obsessed with stone. i think they really do feel like they're -- and don't forget as you said, stone was bragging about this. i mean at the time was saying i was the go-to guy, i knew stuff. now he's changing it. as joyce says, the story now is i had this one back channel and i was tweeting things that were only publicly known, and now he's got a new back back channel and now daniel -- i mean it literally is like where's waldo with just names of people i've thought of today. of course that's tough for mueller to pin it all down. but if anybody can do it, i guess it's robert mueller. >> joyce, i'm sure you've faced this a prosecutor with various
criminals you deal with. and that is people like roger stone lie all the time, including lying about having committed a crime. they sure do like lying having committed a crime because they want to boast to whoever they were talking about. how do you sort that out? >> it's really common. you do it by meticulously putting together information to compare. and at the end of the day, you know, robert mueller didn't pick roger stone as a witness. he was picked by trump and the trump campaign. so anything that goes to his credibility and his truthfulness really is at the campaign's doorstep and not a problem that investigators have to own. >> dahlia lithwick, joyce vance, thank you both for joining our discussion tonight. and when we come back, the candidate, the best candidate out there today who says she's not a candidate. wait until you see what oprah winfrey had to say on the
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i am shocked. >> so i'm campaigning for stacey abrams. are you voting for her? >> i absolutely am. >> hi, oprah. i guess that's what you say if oprah's at your front door when the doorbell rings. what else do you say? you jump up and down, something. oprah specifically said she is not running for anything, but she said that in a speech that turned out to be a master class for politicians who are running for something. >> i'm here today because of stacey abrams. i'm here today -- and i'm here today because of the man and the because of the women who were lynched, who were humiliated, who were discriminated against, who were suppressed, who were
repressed and oppressed for the right for the equality at the polls. and i want you to know that their blood has seeped into my dna and i refuse to let their sacrifices be in vain. i refuse. >> democrat stacey abrams is polling in a statistical tie with republican brian kemp in a state that should be an easy win for a republican running for governor. and she was polling in a tie before oprah showed up to help make the closing argument. >> for anybody here who has an ancestor who didn't have the right to vote and you are choosing not to vote, wherever you are in this state, in this country, you are dishonoring your family.
you are disrespecting and disregarding their legacy, their suffering and their dreams when you don't vote. >> joining our discussion now from georgia is latasha brown, co-founder of black voters matter. and latasha, you were at that event today with oprah and stacey abrams. i was watching it on television and i went into it i guess a doubter of oprah as a political force. i'm a big believer after about i don't know seven minutes of watching her. wow. oprah on the political stage is really amazing. how did stacey abrams do in her half of the act on stage together? >> oh, no. they were masterful. it was beautiful i think. what was hard to capture was that the image in the room -- the room was so on fire. there was so much hope, so much
high energy in the room. stacey abrams actually on the second half she presented and she was just masterful. i think everything that -- you could hear her brilliance, she was prepared, she was grounded. there was this excellent energy that you saw this interplay between her and oprah. and after she presented they had like a one-on-one conversation with each other. and one of the ihad lights for me is that stacey abrams got to ask oprah a question around what was a hard moment for her. so it's such a really strong interchange between two strong african-american women. you saw the energy, the mutual respect for each other. it was actually a fantastic masterful event. >> let's listen to what some of stacey abrams had to say. all right, i'm going to have to read it because the control room doesn't seem to have it. stacey abrams said growing up my parents encouraged us to dream big, but we went without health
insurance, struggled to get an education despite my parents working full time jobs. my story is unique, but i'm running for governor. i'll fight for every family to have the freedom and opportunity to thrive. that's not dreaming. we can do this. and in latasha, in so few words to hear a political candidate take the story from when she was growing up to what she will do as governor and move right through health care policy and important issues of the day was also very, very impressive today. >> absolutely. you know, she captivated the room because what you saw was authenticity. and i think people are hungry for authentic voices. people who actually connect with them and people who can emphasize with what her experience is. her parents were actually in the room, so she introduced her parents and then she went onto share her story.
so there was this genuine connection in terms youa thentically felt this energy, that people could feel the stories, find themselves in her life, and even her sharing some of the vulnerability about some of the challenges she's faced growing up. and think that's where you saw a lot of people afterwards people would listen and people kept saying how moved they were by her stories. >> and donald trump today said she's not qualified, those were hez words, not qualified to be governor. this is the least qualified officeholder in the history of the united states saying she's not qualified. she's far more qualified, gr graduated yale law school, was minority leader of the legislator down there. >> like most of us she knew that has very little resonance with any of us, right? that part of what she stated and
i think her candidacy, and when you look at her candidacy she actually stays the course. she's very disciplined, very focused, she stays on message and that resonates with people. she's very high energy but also very positive and grounded and authentic. >> latasha brown thank you for joining us. and up next president trump of course is talking about fear. he's talking about an invasion, and he's lying about how pittsburgh reacted to his visit, his unwelcome visit to pittsburgh. one of the people he lied about in pittsburgh will join us. if you have psoriasis,
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three people who were murdered in the tree of life synagogue on saturday were buried today. bernice simon, her husband sylvan simon, and richard gottfried. donald trump continues to fuel the anti-semitic conspiracy theory that george soros is funding what donald trump calls an invasion headed toward our southern border. the president's invasion rhetoric inspired the mass murderer to go into the synagogue and kill those people and try to kill as many jews as he could. and that mass murderer's final social media post he said he is going to kill jews because he believed they are supporting what donald trump calls an invasion. and there is absolutely no evidence that the collective
march, for many a barefoot march through central america is actually being funded by anyone. certainly not george soros and certainly not the 11 dead in pittsburgh, or anyone in pittsburgh. the president lied about what happened in pittsburgh on the day he visited without an invitation from anyone. a huge protest in the squirrel hill neighborhood met with the president that day. the president told this lie about the protest. >> i came home and sadly turned on the news and watched as the far-left media once again used tragedy to sow anger and division. sadly, they took a small group of protesters, far away from where we are. they did everything in their power to try to play it up and
push people apart. it was fake and it was make believe what they said. >> one of the people donald trump saw talking about these protests on television was tammy who joined us on tuesday night. she was one of the organizers of the protest. she will join us next with her reaction to the president's lies about her and the protest and how his visit was resisted by the people of pittsburgh. edles. essential for the cactus, but maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr. a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. don't start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. tears in the stomach or intestines,
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tonight, at a political rally in missouri, the president of the united states actually complained -- complained -- that the mass murder at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh stopped the momentum. that was the word he used. the momentum. that's what he was worried about, it stopped the momentum of his campaigning, and republicans' campaigning. that's what troubled the president tonight about a mass murder. not one word of moral outrage about the targeting of jews by the mass murderer, not one word. just momentum, losing campaign momentum. that's all that he cared about tonight. joining us now from pittsburgh is tammy hepps, one of the people who protested the president's visit to pittsburgh. tammy, you've heard what the president said about your protest, that it was small, that it wasn't anywhere near him,
that it really didn't represent the feelings in pittsburgh at all, and that we in the news media were lying about it. and i guess lying about it -- i was, i guess, lying about it by having you on the show from -- telling us your own experience in the protest. what's your reaction to that? >> there were close to 5,000 of us there marching through the neighborhood. our line snaked blocks long. we were singing. our neighbors were out on their porches. we encountered the motorcade. we were just two blocks from the tree of life synagogue, and our voices carried. it's as though he's trying to erase all of us who were there and the experience we had in raising our voices in peaceful songs and prayers to share our message. >> what is your reaction to the president tonight, saying that
the mass murderer at the synagogue for him represented a loss of momentum as a campaigner? >> i thought what i was most afraid of going in is that he would say crass things about our beloved dead. the fact that he just cast them entirely aside, they were a distraction. they took away from momentum. it meant he missed his rallies. that hurts me more than i could have possibly imagined when i worried about what might happen as a result of this business -- this visit, excuse me. i never dreamed he would simply act as though it had never happened and it meant nothing and was just completely a separate experience that had no impact on the things that really mattered to him. >> and the president seems to have no idea that the funerals are still going on every day. >> no. in pittsburgh, people are still mourning. there are funerals through the end of the day tomorrow. people are still in shivah.
there were long lines out in houses and community buildings of people trying to visit and comfort the mourning. this experience is ongoing in our city and ongoing around the country for everyone who is mourning for these people. it hasn't even been a week since they were murdered. this is still actively a tragedy that people are still actively processing. >> tammy hepps, thank you very much for taking your time away from shiva tonight to join us once again. i'm sorry for your loss and the losses your community has suffered. >> thank you. >> thank you. we'll be right back. (chime)
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