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i think she will be lifting weights. >> she has broken ribs and she's 85 years old. i am fascinated by this woman. >> thanks. good afternoon. it is friday. i'm stephanie ruhle. let's get smarter. >> in florida the state that brought the 2000 election to a crawl the races for senate and governor both appear to be headed for recounts. >> the republican desantis leads. >> let's bring it home. >> when you hear him say count every vote what he is really saying is count the votes of people who are not legally allowed to vote. >> i will not sit by.
>> all of a sudden they are finding votes out of nowhere and rick scott who won by a comfortable margin every couple of hours it goes down a little bit. >> millions of georgia voters are waking up this morning anxiously waiting to find out who their next governor will be. it is still too close to call. >> those voices have been sigh leapt and were stolen. >> i think it is efforts to keep them to quiet those voices. >> activists rallied to support the special council after newly revealed comments to replace jeff sessions. >> i don't know matt whitaker. he was always extremely highly thought of. i didn't know him. >> he took this gentleman who i think is very political and
seems to be his biggest asset. >> the washington post siting people close to whitaker. >> do you feel if it is recommended by the career lawyers that he should? >> absolutely. >> oh heavens. >> when was election day? >> i can't even. >> it's friday after election day. so much has happened in this country. election day is far from over, by the way with several key races still not called and the word recount being thrown around. >> much of the drama is focused there with a senate race between bill nelson and republican rick scott ch scott. the race for florida's governor could also be in recount
territory. >> so sheer what's happening right now. >> he lied. >> in florida 67 are continues to count their ballots includes mill-ins. >> members of the military possibly not getting their votes counted. >> if the margin of the totals is less than .5% florida law triggers are recount done by machine. >> the machine recount would go until 3:00 p.m. next thursday, that's november 15th. if that recount results in races with a margin of less than
0.25%, a more thorough would be counted. it must be completedly sunday the 18th. >> i will let you go. >> democratic strategist in 2008. thanks to beth of you. you have been sending us e-mails i think hourly almost with what is going on. >> i'm not on a distribution list. >> so for people like stephanie where do we stand right now? >> so as i spam the company with all of this reporting it is moving really fast. we have seen escalate while people are still counting votes is the legal battles starting
up. rick scott said he was filing a suit against broward county. on the legal front he said they filed a suit to basically try to litigate how cig that dhusignat verified. so that's a legal suit they are beginning here in florida. we are about to see not just the canvassing and all of that start going forward but we are about to see an increase in the legal battles. in talking to one veteran recount he said we should expect to see more legal challenges coming up. >> all right. rick scott, the current governor
is claiming rampant fraud. walk us through what's going on. >> broward county finished election night. >> it takes a while. it goes through each one. they is until noon tomorrow. they are following the law and the time line. >> what's the president's comments about inventing votes and finding votes. this is the process. it us a seems weird but these are actual ballots that were
cast. >> there are say 15 counties in florida right now. 15 counties going through the same process. this morning about 20 counties finished up the process. the numbers changed a little bit. we'll see that over the next 24 hours tomorrow. tomorrow we'll have a better sense of where things are. it is not helpful when folks, you know, accuse people of things there is no evidence of yet. >> he said based on the information i had at the time that's what they did. i talked and the concession still stands. that's not irreversible. when we get to saturday and we
start seeing how close that recount is on the governor's side of this we'll hear something. whatever way it goes they are definitely monitoring this. it has urged every vote to be counted. that's why our call still stands. it feels to me when i was at his mansion last night he was really pulling out the trump play book when he talks ability trump in 2016. he is saying there is rampant fraud. it feels like the same tactic to me. >> all right. thank you very much for joining us. we'll continue to follow this and the other hotly contested races. >> let's cover one of those in the state of georgia where the contested race for governor is too close to call. republican brian kemp who just stepped down yesterday has a slight lead over democrats.
kemp is insisting he is the state's next governor. she is not backing down. >> we have been covering this very closely. just tell us. we have been focusing on florida. this is a different situation in atlanta. there are still about 21,000 -- i don't know what you want to call them, tell me what the situation is as you know it. >> yeah. the question here is not whether he will retain the lead because he is about 65,000 votes ahead of that. the question is whether or not she can net about 65,000 votes to force a runoff which would be in december. it would pull him below the threshold to win the race o outright. there are about 21,000
provisionals a few counties reported even after they were 100% finished. there's litigation being filed including the first lawsuit yesterday involving a southwest georgia county that had issues with its mail after hurricane michael. she thinks that's chance to get the votes to get the runoff. >> we always tell the president don't give up. the camp ran a great race and it's time to move on. we know she is filing suit in one county. >> i don't think it would change her mind at all. she made it clear her campaign is about making sure every vote
was accounted for. skipped the midterm elections. she has really done that. the issue is that kemp also did that. he got to most votes ever for a gubernatorial candidate. >> thanks very much. we have breaking news. firefighters in california are battling w50i8d fires. >> 27,000 residents have evacuated and thousands more left without any power. crews trying to contain two separate fire. the entire city was ordered to evacuate. >> what's going on where you are? we can see the smoke now.
>> reporter: that flames came up and started cresting over. this is one of our fallback positions. and we are going to head down the mountain. fires move so quickly uphill. they take a little bit longer going downhill. we are seeing plumes of smoke. you can see all of that smoke coming this way. it is a ridge top full of homes. these firefighters going right now, they are not really here to do structure protection. they make sure they are all out of their homes. that's what we are seeing up and down this street. we heard them telling everybody to get out as quickly as possible. i'll show you why right here.
so over here there's a house that's up on the ridge. >> yes. >> reporter: so it's coming this way. this is one of many places where over 70,000 to 100,000 people are under evacuation. >> whatever you have to do whether you're on tv or not don't get yourself. wind rises. the wind goes with it. downhill the air is going up and the fire has to go down. we are looking at pictures of malibu. they are evacuating all of
malibu? >>. >> reporter: the entire city. one is because the road in gets to be a choke point especially in emergency situations. it is making really fast runs but hopefully the thought is that if they can evacuate that early it will take several hours to get all of those thousands of thousands of people out of there some people were petrified. they started trying to find any type of protection. they found firefighters able to
protect them it is one of those situations people panic and get out of their cars. later on you have fire personnel that have to get back to the same area. they were using bulldozers to make sure personnel could get through there. people could abandon their cars. >> they were using bulldozers to get parked cars out of the way? >> reporter: yeah. we are going to start falling back there. so they were using bulldozers. usually they come in and cut lines. they were cutting lines through the roads. they were plowing straight through. there's another plume coming up over here. i'm pretty confident we are going to be fine.
this is what it looks like. we'll head downhill and check back with you in a bit. >> make sure your crew is safe. this is something. you're looking at houses. you can't fight that with the water from a fire truck. >> and that's the thing. have they even had time to get information of where to go? has this city figured out where to send these people. >> yes. these are heavily populated areas. all of that has a lot of
traffic. get people out so that you don't have traffic jams. people get stuck in their cars and use bulldozers to get out of the way. now you're not in your home and your car is gone. this is serious stuff and we'll keep going. >> we appreciate all of the firefighters, all of the rescue teams there with working on this. >> what an effort. >> presidewhat's happening if a to protect the mueller investigation. you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc. i couldn't catch my breath. it was the last song of the night. it felt like my heart was skipping beats. they said i had afib. what's afib? i knew that meant i was at a greater risk of stroke. i needed answers. my doctor and i chose xarelto® to help keep me protected from a stroke. once-daily xarelto®, a latest-generation blood thinner significantly lowers the risk of stroke in people with afib not caused by a heart valve problem.
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back back. mat t he is getting high level push back under president obama and the husband of kellyanne conway. they say anything mr. whitaker does or trying to do is invalid. >> some things don't match up with recent reporting. >> matt whitaker, i don't know him. he was always ek trextremely hi thought of. i didn't know him. he worked for attorney general
sessions. >> so stephanie and i always wonder about easily provable lies. he said he knew him and said he frequently visited the oh value office and said to have an easy chemistry with mr. trump. >> so again, when the president says the media is out to get him. it's negative bias she and i said you're a liar. >> except for the fact that the president of the united states. >> he is lying. >> he is lying again. >> we are white house reporter for the l.a. times. a bigger question than whether the president is lying. a big are question about whether people write about matt whitaker not being in his position. what would anyone do about it anyway? >> the president saying he doesn't know matt whitaker.
why would you appoint him to be the acting attorney general if you don't know him? there is 245 dwe and a lot of concern about what he may do given his comments about calling the mueller probe a witch hunt basically saying that the president himself never colluded with russia basically that he knows what the outcome of that should be. there are questions what he could do overseeing the probe before it is all said and done. there are a lot of concerns about that. it is also probably true that this mueller investigation is nearing the end stage. he fears what may be coming. they are probably according to some reports already in report ready mode. they spread the investigation around. >> that's an interesting point. >> so he cape and tried to do
something, pulled the plug on funding, turned out the lights. i think the train is so far out of the stagts -- >> that's an interesting point. >> it will come to light with democrats taking over the house. >> that's an interesting point. he is on the record as having written. he has a long report about mueller and presidential power. he is ton record of saying you could starve this investigation of funds. you're saying that if mueller, who like everybody else might have seen this coming has spread it out, has seeded it to other places the report or important parts of it may be protected. >> that's right. if he has any effectiveness in trying to do something more drastic you to expect that the democrats in the house, they are going to be, you know, very quick to call mueller to come in and testify publicly about the findings of that report. it is sort of farfetched for the
president to believe that by appointing somebody who is loyal to him, somebody who doesn't believe that the mueller probe should continue, it is farfetched to think there's a lot to do to suppress the findings at this point. they are certainly going to try to politicize the probe and the findings. we have been seeing that from the get go. >> all right. >> in terms of tamping it down i don't know what they can do. >> let's go to the hill. while we are not legal scholars we already went through how the president's lying about not knowing matt whitaker. he also satd listen, roebt mueller has never been confirmed. by the president's standards he was confirmed as a u.s. attorney in 2004. robert mueller was confirmed in 2001. by the president's standards he is lying again and he is wrong. how about the hill?
because months ago we saw bipartisan support to pull forward a bill to protect robert mueller. >> he said we don't need this. >> we don't need it. has that situation changed now that jeff sessions is in his job? what can and should we expect from actual lawmakers? >> i don't know if it really changed. 2018, the story of the year has been a story of capitulation from republicans in congress. they once said there would be held to pay and now at this point really sort of singing from the same sheet of music as the president hips. there aren't that many voices out there. one person who obviously will be out of office come january didn't run for reelection has said that he is going to bring that legislation forward here in the session before he leaves office. but whether or not he gets enough republican votes to join with democrats to move such a
piece of legislation is really on unknown session. you saw him tweeting and calling him a loser because he didn't run for reelection. >> thank you. next, president trump just issued a proclamation to block migrants that cross from seeking asylum. starting tonight we'll dig into trump's new plan bla. today we recognize hector perez known as the doctor of the bari ork barios. he graduated valedictorian and became the only latino from the university of tlexas medical school. >> he was discharged as a major
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this caravan from central america calling it an invasion, invoking it in rallies from florida to montana. >> an invasion. >> and the president moved to block by prak oclamation. he said the industry between the united states and mexico is here by suspended and limited exempting anyone who enters the unite and properly presents for inspection. until now a person could claim asylum regardless of their immigration status. >> that's right. you could have been in the country for any reason and claimed asylum. it is saying that you have got to go to a border point or entry point in order to do that. >> it's just not. we have a lot of other problems in this country. >> in the last two weeks synagogue shooting. a bar in california 12 people.
someone try today shoot up a black church and shot two people. you can be afraid of those things. >> let's talk about this order that the president has put into place. we have pete here. the new restrictions take effect just after midnight tonight. what's the practical effect of this? >> anybody that from that point on tries to claim asylum if they cross into the border illegally and they don't come through a regular port of entry, they won't be able to make that. they will be immediately sent back. so the argument here is that the president has the authority to do this under broad authority that he has under federal law to restrict immigration. what the government claims here is it is intended to reduce the so called catch and release problem. they are given a date. they are released an never show up for asylum hearings.
number one most people who claim asylum don't come back to follow through. those that do come through, most of them are deny aied asylum. there are going to be legal challenges. first of all there is a separate provision in federal law that says anyone should be able to claim asylum no matter what their legal state is. whether they came in at a border of entry point or not. the high commissioner says the united states has a treaty obligation to respect and consider asylum claims no matter where they are made inside the country and they claim basically that this new policy violates the treaty. it's easy to say you'll see legal challenges. the government says they believe they have the power and that they will assert the same authority that ultimately in a changed forum did succeed on the travel ben.
>> that's right. >> how does it impact the caravan? >> is there a plan to enter the country illegally or go to a point of entry? >> i'm sure there are many plans among the caravan people as there are people. what it means if they want to claim asylum they will have to come through the port of entry. there is a terrible backlog. they will surge additional resources. there will still be a line. what the government has said in the past is -- and by the way, they said i'm sorry, we can't handle you all come back tomorrow or the next day. those people have to place to stay so that is a problem. clearly the intention here is to try to send the message that you can't just sneak into the country and get asylum. the point is to try to deter
immigration. >> yeah. >> illegal or legal. >> thanks for reporting on this. >> by the way, you mentioned the pipe bomb case. the federal grand jury just returned an indictment but it's only for the bombs that were received in new york state because that's the authority the grand jury has. >> thank you for that. we appreciate that. that's the man who was alleged to have sent these across the country. next, in light of the 307 mass shootings this country has seen in 2018 we'll hear from medical examiners, what they see firsthand and what they say about this violent epidemic. they know because it's their work. before we do that though we'll take a moment to honor the 12 people that lost their lives in the california mass shootings as their families prepare for their funerals. each daet senseless tragedy. ners each daet senseless tragedy.
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70,000 acres already and right now there's only 5% containment. the good news is that right now the winds are starting to die down. at one point yesterday it was going as fast as 50 miles per hour. it is significantly a lot calmer. this is just something that is just jaw dropping to see. the smoke is enveloping this area. it is difficult to breathe because of the ongoing fire fight. this is essentially a very active fire. we were up the hill a couple of miles up the street and then homes were just engulfed in flames. so the flames are still moving fast and furious even at this hour. >> this is remarkable. it is getting trapped ton roads. we'll continue to cover it.
>> nbc kathy park. a gunman opened fire killing 12 innocent people. we remember the victim whose lives were lost too soon. we also honor the nation's medical examiners who work around the clock following these tragedies. here is a look behind the scenes in santa fe, texas. >> it is definitely something you have to want to do. i am a medical examiner. on day-to-day basis our primary job is to perform autopsy examinations. so a streeting treatingically - their last doctor. i am the last person that will lay hands on them. them.
>> so may 18th was a friday. >> for me it start aufd just like any other day. we went to the back, got new logbook. >> at some point it became apparent there was something going on at santa fe high school, reportedly a shooting. >> i'll never forget it. our investigator came in, entered the door and all he said was eight. >> we arrived at the scene. >> i walked into the school. there were chaired knocked over backward. kids had run out of their shoes. >> one victim had been moved
slightly. aside from that everyone else was in the position that they died in. i had to remind myself that this was my job. this is what i had trained for and i promised myself that i would not while i was there, think about my own kids or think about the parents of the kids that were dead, and i did it. you do just sort of get tunnel vision and you focus on your job. it's almost worse when the work is over.
now i'm left with this other stuff. >> i don't get to grieve because those weren't my kids. i feel like the world is moving on and forgetting about what happened already. i feel like i have had a brain transplant with somebody that has had strong emotions. i am out of control and i don't know how to live or regulate the sadness, the anger, the anxiety that has come from this. >> something you don't think about, the emotions and the work these medical examiners do. for more head to nbc.com. it's called the last doctors. >> it's a 13 minute doc that will stay with you long after. coming up jeff sessions made a controversial final act, how it will effect police and the people they serve nationwide. but first we are marking
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quarter -- two parties. for the past 20 years or so and especially during the obama administration the justice department used consent decrees to address systemic police problems. when the trump administration began, then attorney general sessions ordered a review of the consent decrees that the doj entered into with law enforcement around the country. as he packed up his office, he signed the memorandum adding three new requirements to any future desent decrees. a senior political appointee in the justice department must sign off on any agreements. rather than the career lawyers who typically work on the process. second, justification for a consent decree requires more than just unconstitutional behavior and requires other remedies be attempted and fail first. it notes one or more pieces of evidence existing doesn't guarantee that a consent decree
will be granted. they must have sunset dates. former attorney general harry litman. >> i want to go first. i could have sworn this administration is about less regulation. it sounds like it's more red tape. >> well, the consent decrees are more red tape. i think the order is about having less. the zifrl rights civil rights d find abusive practices and say sign here. the consent decrees have a lot of good ideas in them if you have infinite resources but the beef of the local officials is
they are locked into these and the federal district court judge becomes the defacto mayor and chief of police and they are really expensive. when i became u.s. attorney in pittsburgh, in my first meeting with the mayor, having progressive guy, would be for this but after some pleasantries he went into a tirade about this stuff because his idea was look, this is keeping us from being able to make the choice about more reform in the police department or fixing potholes. what's the mid ground ? a lot of police departments were not fixing the problems until the feds got involved.
>> that's right. 100 100% abusive and you needed the feds to get in here. one idea that makes some sense is the sunset provision. that's the real beef of the officials. i think that's probably a decent idea. sometimes it will mean they still get away with it. you want to be sure there's no constitutional violations but these often go farther. >> just to illustrate this for our viewers, a lot of people live in cities where there's been consent decrees. there are some obscure things that lead to them.
what's the civil rights violation that normally gets them involved. the trigger is the pattern and practice. it's just as you say but maybe times five or ten. a lot of stories of violations. there's quite a lot that then comes into the consent decree. a lot about training. a lot about cameras. super vision. oversight. prophylactic measures to keep this from happening again. it's been not overkill. we would like to do it if we
could but there's a lot of of things people like to do. >> for the average person at home or me who is totally overwhelmed by everything you said. what is the gravity of an attorney general signing a memo? can't the department of justice lawyers disregard it? >> certainly not. there's all kinds of memos and sentencing or how you treat criminal defendants. right now that's the law of the department. it does change the business model. you'll have to send them up for signature. this is now the law of the justice department until it's changed. this is the deal. >> this is the real thing. >> thanks. you made a complicated thing a
lot clearer to us. >> appreciate it. we're following these devastating wildfires in california. one in north and two in the south. these are live pictures over malibu, california. it's kind of remarkable. katie had a seat. this is her country. this is where she's from. this happened in malibu. some aryears are worse. it is awful. communities are living in fear of this constantly. they just rebuilt. it doesn't get that much rain.
the brush becomes brittle. we're going to hand it over to you. i'll be back in an hour. stephanie tweets me during the show about something i did, i'll send her $5 to her on venmo. >> he keeps his word. >> you have venmo too? >> you don't have it. how do you not have? i pay my eyebrow lady with venbrvenb venmo. my brother and i exchange cash on venmo. >> thank you for having me. i am going to take a nap during his hour. i'm definitely going to watch katie. it's friday. she's going to stay here and watch the news. there's something funny down there. >> you were making fun of me and god punished you. that's what