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bipartisan effort to protect the special counsel. later, tuesday was a long night and it's still going. the president tries to put his thumb on the scale as recounts are under way. and we'll talk about lessons learned from the midterms as naturally the curtain rises on 2020. we're going to start here in washington where president trump has just arrived after another memorable trip overseas that highlighted tensions with leaders of america's longest standing allies and showcased his embrace of america first nationalism. trump joined more than six dozen world leaders at a ceremony in paris commemorating the end of world war i. it was during that ceremony that emmanuel macron delivered a searing rebuke of the rising nationalism around the globe. >> translator: this vision of france as a generous nation, of france as a project, as france, the bearer of universal values was displayed during these dark hours as the very opposite of
the selfishness of a nation which only looks after its own interests because patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. by saying, our interests first, who cares about the others? we erase what a nation holds dearest, what gives it life, what makes it great and what is essential. its moral values. >> pretty remarkable moment. among the other leaders in the crowd were russian president vladimir putin who greeted trump with a thumbs up. plus angela merkel, the leaders of nato and the u.n. along with canadian prime minister justin trudeau who also echoed macron's warning. meanwhile, that rising nationalism was on full display. you can see it there in poland this morning as the country's president addressed a crowd of an estimated 200,000 people at an independence day march organized by nationalist and far right groups.
here with me to discuss all of this, reuters white house correspondent jeff mace orngs michael beschloss, and the author of the new book "presidents of war." i highly recommend it. we have managing editor of the beat dc, tiffany cross and associate editor and columnist for real clear clicks, a.b. stoddard. thank you for being here tonight on what is yet another kind of moment that i just find to be so striking in the history of our country. michael beschloss, i want to start with you on that. for some of our viewers who may not remember what we all learn in sort of our first history classes about the previous century, nationalism is what got us to this event that this is a centennial of world war i. >> nationalism brought world war i. and when macron was talking about nationalism, he was also talking about donald trump. and here we are, a situation where we lost we americans, 116,000 or more americans in world war i. it's not a huge thing to imagine that our president would want to
come and honor them and so the fact that he did not in the rain yesterday, that was not a great idea. but the other thing is that these ceremonies, we almost don't look forward to them because we think that we know that they'll -- how they'll unfold. this alliance is strong. all the members of the alliance will say things that affirm the permanence of the alliance. >> and let's just pause, too. i want to point out what they're seeing. this is a collection of all of our most significant allies. you saw close shots of angela merkel and french president macron, justin trudeau. not among this group walking down the shachamps-elysees, don trump. so vladimir putin was sitting there, probably had a great time today. may have been the reason he put thumbs up because he loves to see signs that there is trouble in our alliance. and when the french president is denouncing at least implicitly the president of the united states and others and donald trump is not there with all these leaders, that is music to his ears.
>> jeff mason, can we talk about that moment yesterday and for anyone who is not tuned in to their televisions or e-mails over the last 48 hours. yesterday there was an event at a cemetery honoring world war i veterans and the president elected not to attend even though general dunn ford and the chief of staff john kelly both attended. other leaders motorcaded there. the white house says the president couldn't go because he couldn't fly his helicopter in the rain. you've done this job for many years covering the white house. various administrations. i've heard some of your colleagues in the white house press corps argue he's the president. if he wanted to go, he always could have showed up. there's always a second plan. the white house is saying we didn't want to lock up traffic for four hours. does that ring true to you as a good excuse? >> number one, a lot of these calls, we call it a weather call. if, instead of taking marine one, his helicopter to joint base andrews, he takes a motorcade. those calls are usually made by the secret service.
it's not a political decision, usually. that said, you're right to say there are backups. this was one of those times where getting there, the motorcade would have taken 90 minutes or so. yes, i'm sure it would have created a lot of traffic. it's correct to say as well that the president if he wanted to get there probably could have made it happen. there are times i was traveling with president obama in ireland and he was flying to, i think it was montegal where he had relatives and they almost canceled that trip because he had to fly and the motorcade there and back would have been four hours and it wouldn't have worked. this was not four hours away. >> there was at least one example of the president ignoring the secret service security requirement in the inageral parade when they told him they didn't want him to get out of the car and he did it anyway. >> he has the option of saying we're going to make this work. it's important context to say, usually those calls about whether a helicopter flies or not are made by the secret service. i've seen some comments about a helicopter could have flown in that weather. that was probably not the president's call.
>> fair enough. fair enough. meanwhile white house officials sought to undermine basic american institutions time and again this week including while on foreign soil. the president has suggested that elections in florida were being stolen and alleged corruption in the ongoing arizona senate race. the administration distributed edited video of the moment of confrontation between cnn white house correspondent jim acosta and a white house staffer trying to take a microphone. and amid mass evacuations and the deaths of nine people, the president expressed not sympathy but shamed forest management and threatened to hold federal funding from those affected areas. jeff, i want to come back to you on the jim acosta thing, but tiffany cross, i want to start with you and look at -- talk for a minute about what's going on with these recounts in florida and arizona. the rhetoric coming from not just the president but also some of the press releases from the nrsc and other groups have been rick scott, the potential next senator from florida challenging bill nelson. i am struggling to remember a
time when there was so much undermining from the collective official apparatus of our election systems. >> it's really scary. when you hear these candidates echoing this rhetoric that comes from donald trump as a scary time. it's reflective of what happened in the midterms. moderate, reasonable republicans lost their seats. when you have people like marco rubio weighed in and echoed the president's accusations. >> and cory gardner. not typically a flame thrower comes from the state. >> it's a really scary thing for the republican party to do. it's hypocritical because i don't think they were as vocal when the president sat on the world stage and congratulated and locked arms with vladimir putin. this is somebody who, obviously, interfered with the election process. now that we have a situation where every vote should be counted. is that not what patriotism is? it shows a rip in their ranks when you hear this rhetoric and it undermines our core democratic institutions. our democracy is what makes us america. and hear these people who purport to be patriots not echo
that. i also want to say really quickly about donald trump being on the world stage. when you hear this rhetoric domestically and on the world stage, this president is seeing that leadership requires followers and he's having a less amount of people following him and he's being met now more, i think, with a skeptical world stage. and that's reflecting domestically and globally. >> what's your take on whether this is the permanent new trajectory of the republican party, the sort of -- the president has stood on a stamg here in the united states and declared himself to be a nationalist. he sounds much different than a ronald reagan or any number of figures. obviously, this strain has always existed in american politics but it's never been so directly embraced by someone certainly in the post war era like this. >> that's what's really so pronounced in the months since john mccain became more ill and eventually died from his brain cancer was that what we've seen is discomfort within the
republican party about trump's embrace of nationalism but a paralysis in their ability to define what trumpian nationalism is if it still embraces the international order. the post world war ii order that's given us the most peace and prosperity ever. american led and must be american supported. this is something that's just fallen away with the loss of john mccain. you don't hear it from lindsey graham or any republicans. i saw the second republican in the senate, john cornyn, tweet some time today, america first is not america only. what is it? it's easy for trump to say i'm just putting our needs and our citizens first. but what the implication is in terms of exiting from the world stage and our role as leaders. as the real hope of the earth, it is so profound and i don't hear mike pence articulating it. i don't hear james mattis assuring us. he does it privately to world leaders. but where is this sort of
articulation of what nationalism is that still -- whatever the strain is that republican party of today is embracing, does it still protect this international order? and the silence is staggering. >> michael beschloss, how do you view this? is this an aberration in our historical moniker or are we setting a new trajectory. >> we've seen it before the end of world war ii. and we are usually used to our presidents when there is a radical departure and donald trump talking about america first and nationalism. this is radical. this is not just a little change from what we've seen before. we've been accustomed to presidents giving us an extended view of why they want us to change our minds about this and what are -- and what are we to think of this. when was the last time that donald trump gave an extended speech explaining why he's asking americans to take what is this amazingly sharp turn in our
foreign policy with the danger of breaking up our alliances. we are seeing this minute by minute and it's hard for us to understand, you know, what his general reason for doing this is. >> what do you think donald trump's sense of history is compared to his predecessors? >> he boasts about the fact he does not read books. he wears that as a badge of honor. you can imagine i'm not thrilled to hear this. and also this is not someone who knows a lot of history, and he would be the first one to say that. and there's a problem here because the best reason for a president to love democracy is to know american history and what democracy has done over 200 years. if you don't know it and don't know the importance of a president, for instance, supporting institutions like elections, not saying this was rigged and you shouldn't trust their results. if you don't know the importance of a president supporting the role of the press in american society, even though they all hate often times what reporters write, as you well know, but only if you know history do you know that this is probably the
only american -- only business in american life that's specifically explicitly protected by the constitution. jefferson said he'd rather live in a country without a government and without a press. that is probably news to donald trump. and so it leads him to say things like enemy of the people without having any idea how that fits into our history. >> we'll talk more of that in a minute. michael beschloss, thank you for your time and insight. we're going to talk about the races not yet over. despite all the groaning you may have heard from democrats on election night, the party is expanding their lead in the house. when you woke up wednesday morning, democrats' net gain was 28 seats. they've expanded that to 30. and according to some analysts when all is said and done it could grow to 39. how did democrats find a way to flip mark sanford's dark red seat? joe cunningham joins me.
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a guy just dropped this off. he-he-he-he. with election day now behind usome are predicting robert mueller could be getting ready to submit his final report in the russia investigation. but trump's appointment of matthew whitaker as acting attorney general has drawn concern about mueller's future. whitaker will oversee the probe
in his new role and has in the past raised questions about the legitimacy of the investigation and mueller's appointment as special counsel. meanwhile, senator jeff flake and fellow judiciary member chris coons will be pushing to protect mueller. joining me is senator chris coons. it's good to see you after -- i feel like it's been too long since i saw any of you in the halls of the capitol. it's been a whirlwind couple of weeks with the election. thank you for being here. i want to start with that legislation you have with senator flake. mitch mcconnell seems to be on the record. he was saying there's nothing to worry about. mueller is not in any sort of jeopardy. do you agree with that assessment, and what should they be doing? >> this is a bill, a bipartisan bill that passed the senate judiciary committee back in april by a strong bipartisan margin of 14-7. my co-sponsors on the republican side, senators graham and tillis and co-sponsor on the democratic side, senator booker, have all
urged this not just to protect this special counsel but future special counsels. to make sure that it's clear in law that you can't abruptly and for no good reason fire the special counsel. as he mentioned in the lead-in, we are hoping the special counsel is concluding his investigation, preparing his report. but we don't know that. and matt whitaker strikes me as a clear and present danger to the independence of the special counsel given things he has said a year ago when he was a cnn commentator and given some of his unusual legal theories. kasie, i expect there's going to be challenges to matthew whitaker's appointment. legal challenges. a letter sent to the doj ethics counsel asking for a ruling on whether or not he should recuse himself. but as we wait for those two things to develop, senator flake and i will be going to the floor this week and asking for a live unanimous consent on the bill that is ready for action at any time. >> do you think that whitaker's appointment is constitutional?
>> i have real doubts about that. the appointments clause, article 2, section 2, clause 2, of our constitution, it strongly suggests that in something like the principal officer, the attorney general of the united states, it has to be senate confirmed. that may have to be tested in a lawsuit. we'll see. but a number of legal scholars, both conservative and liberal, have said this is a highly questionable appointment. as you know, kasie, the president didn't follow the department of justice succession statute. that would have made rod rosenstein the senate confirmed deputy attorney general. the acting attorney general. that would have been the wiser course of action here. >> i'm glad you brought up rod rosenstein. he has talked a little bit already about mr. whitaker's appointment. let's take a look at that. >> i've worked with matt whitaker for about 5 1/2 years. we actually served under seven
attorneys general. four senate confirmed and three -- i explained our u.s. attorneys working with him back then and in the past year that he's been serving as chief of staff, i think he's a superb choice for attorney general and certainly understands the work. understands the priorities in terms of the department. i think he's going to do a superb job as attorney general. >> how do you read those comments from rod rosenstein? you've worked with him behind closed doors and have a good sense of him. he seems to be saying this isn't the crisis some are making it out to be. >> well, that audio clip was very muddy on my side, kasie. but i'll take it that rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, isn't saying this is a crisis yet. >> that's right. he's essentially -- he's essentially saying that he's worked with him before in other capacities. he has a good sense of him and he doesn't -- he thinks he'll do an admirable job. i apologize you couldn't hear that clip, sir. >> it's okay. my expectation is that president
trump may move fairly quickly to nominate a new attorney general and person will come in front of the judiciary committee. but it could be weeks or even months before that confirmation happens. and in the meantime, i do think matthew whitaker, the acting ag, should recuse himself given his past statements. i am somewhat encouraged if rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, has made a comment that you just played that suggests he's not alarmed, but, frankly, the test here is whether matthew whitaker is someone whose legal ideas and whose relevant experience makes him an appropriate person to act as attorney general. and there have been a number of press accounts of things that matthew whitaker said when he was a candidate in iowa. he ran for the senate previously in iowa unsuccessfully that were really way outside the legal mainstream of the united states. suggesting that he supports some really very obscure legal theories about constitutional order and the role of states in
nullifying decisions by the supreme court. >> do you think that there's anything that you can do in congress to guarantee that members of congress see whatever it is that the special counsel is going to put together, that report, let alone the public? >> it's possible. as a number of leaders have said today on television, and over the past week, jerry nadler who is likely the next judiciary committee chair in the house and there was a passing comment from senator schumer, the minority leader earlier today. we do have a end of year spending bill that will come up december 7th. it's entirely possible for us to insert into that bill a piece of legislation like the special counsel integrity and independence act that i've co-sponsored. or another provision that would provide that the special counsel's report would need to be provided to the critical committees of congress. it is the spending power of congress that is in some ways our most important and that's one of a number of vehicles we
could use to try and ensure that special counsel mueller's important work isn't simply buried or lost if there is some action against his investigation by matt whitaker. >> and would you be willing to deny government funding to those -- i don't want to call it a full government shutdown because that's not what it would represent but a partial government shutdown. would you be willing to vote for that partial shutdown over this issue? >> well, we're not there yet, kasie. i think what jeff flake and i are going to be doing this week is trying to put on the floor of the senate a bill that's ready for action to say why even flirt with the idea of a government shutdown. this is a balanced bipartisan bill. and i respect that the majority leader has said in the past that the mueller investigation should not be interfered with. but i don't understand on what basis he thinks president trump, who continues as recently as last week, to criticize and question and challenge the mueller investigation can be trusted to stay hands off. i think it is the role of the
senate to step forward in a moment like this and ensure that we don't have a constitutional crisis that is so obviously avoidable with legislation that's bipartisan and ready for action. >> senator chris coons, thank you for your time tonight. i'm sure i'll see you later on this week. >> kasie, thank you. thank you for letting me be on on veterans day. it's important we remember and thank all those who served our country in the past, present and future. >> completely agree. thank you for that, sir. >> thank you, kasie. we're going to dive into lessons learned from the midterms. one early one from the center for responsive politics. in house and senate elections the candidate with more money won more than 80% of the time. plus, we'll talk to a congresswoman about how democrats are finding ways to win in trump country.
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the midterm elections were nearly a week ago and yet key races are still up in the air. democrat kyrsten sinema narrowly leads marth macsally. nbc news still has it as too close to call with hundreds of thousands of votes left to count. republicans unsuccessfully filed a lawsuit to halt a practice in two counties. officials were checking
signatures on early mail ballots that did not match voter files. cindy mccain actually blasted the state republican party's effort to this. meanwhile, in georgia, republican brian kemp has declared himself the next governor, resigned as secretary of state and said the race is over. stacey abrams has yet to concede. it does not look like there are enough votes for abrams to win outright. the big question is whether it's close enough to send this race to a run-off. just this afternoon, the abrams campaign announced a lawsuit over the counting of provisional and absentee ballots. and then there is florida, florida, florida. literally three times this time. there are three recounts under way. in the governors race, a machine recount is being performed as andrew gillum withdraws his concession. the senate race is separated by fewer than 13,000 votes. incumbent democrat bill nelson's lawyer has sued, challenging a voter signature match program. also today rick scott filed two new complaints requesting that
florida law enforcement impound all voting machines and ballots when not in use until the end of the recount. and he's asking that votes counted after the saturday noon deadline not be included because they were, quote, illegally counted. and here's gillum tonight. >> before i walked into this room, i read that the governor has filed another lawsuit to try to keep the votes that were counted in broward county just yesterday from being added to the total tally. these are legal votes. these are legal votes that have been cast. and we are right now in court fighting to have those votes counted. >> and there's a number of house races still being counted as well. here with me on set is democratic congresswoman of illinois, sherry busso. she's running to be the chair of the dccc. great to see you. i read what happened on election
night as something of a vindication of the strategy that you had been pushing democrats toward all the way along. this idea if they were going to win back the house and ultimately a shot at taking back the white house in 2020, the path runs straight through the midwest, michigan, wisconsin, minnesota, iowa and, of course, areas in your state of illinois. what did you learn from what happened and what do you think the democrats should take note of and try to make sure they don't forget as we approach this presidential race? >> i do think the path to he majority did go through the heartland but it also went through our gender. look, we have a record number of women who will be serving in the congress. we needed to pick up 23 seats to win back the majority. you know how many women flipped? 23. went from red to blue. >> women. so without the women, just want to note that. what did we learn? have great candidates that fit their district. politically. people who are running who can relate to folks at home.
work hard. make sure you have the resources to get your messaging out and show up. and i know everybody -- i am almost feeling like this feels cliche anymore but listening really does matter. and i think we're going to have the greatest freshman class as soon as they're sworn in january 3rd. it's going to be unbelievable. >> i was watching one of your new members on "meet the press." and he asked them about nancy pelosi. and one of them answered exactly what you just said. listen, i've been listening to me constituents and they want a new generation of leadership. how do you square that? >> i think we will have a new generation of leadership. it may not be all the way up to the stop. there's a lot of questions to be answered. who all is going to run. it may just be nancy pelosi running for speaker, nobody else challenges her. we've got hakim jeffrey against barbara lee. >> seen as a potential speaker
in waiting. >> ben ray luhan who spent the last four years of his life working hard to help us win back the majority. a member of the hispanic caucus running for one of the top positions. i don't know if i'm necessarily considered the younger generation, but i am running in one of the top positions. >> i would say so. >> thank you. >> let's talk about florida and georgia and voter suppression and concerns. this signature matching seems to have come up as something that is now a major issue. how is this going to play out ultimately in these places? what role do the courts have? we talked about this earlier in the show, but republicans have in some of these states really cast what's going on as illegitimate. >> so i think florida and georgia are two very different states with two very different issues. in georgia, i think there was clear voter suppression over the years committed by brian kemp. and so i think people are right to pursue a recount. i'm not sure that stacey abrams will be victorious there.
her window for a recount is narrowing, as we see. in florida it was something different. i think ron desantis ran a campaign where he was very clear on where he stood. you saw gillum was so far ahead in the polls. i do think there were a significant amount of florida voters who may are said i like this gull um guy but did believ some of the things desantis was saying. both these states have to have a recount. it would be challenging for republicans to justify not having every vote counted. and like we talked about in the last segment, the fact people have come out and said ballots can't be counted or ballots coming in after the deadline should be dismissed. when you look at this from the macro, democrats are really successful like you said. when you look at it from the micro, a lot of people emotionally connected. people emotionally connected to gillum and beto and abrams. they feel disheartened by this despite demkras picking up so many gains. to maintain the integrity of the
election process, republicans would be wise to say, obviously, we want to have every vote counted. desantis should be confident and say, i don't have anything to fear. same with kemp. we'll see what happens. >> rick scott, who outgoing governor of florida running against bill nelson and made some personal accusations, if we have that sound. i'd like to play it and then, a.b., i'm interested to hear you weigh in. >> we know senator nelson's lawyer said that a noncitizen should have the right to vote. senator nelson has gone to court to say that fraudulent ballots, fraudulent ballots that were not properly delivered, signed, whatever, should have -- should be counted, okay? senator nelson is clearly trying to find -- to try to commit fraud to try to win this election. that's all this is. >> you think the senator himself is committing fraud? >> well, it's his team. >> a.b. stoddard, is any of that true? >> no, the -- rick scott is the
governor of florida. and there are a lot of questions about the leadership election supervisors in broward county and palm beach. brenda snipes in broward county has had a rough history, which has caused people to be skeptical. i have a question for the governor which is why did you not replace her before this election in so remember this last-minute effort to make it the democrats' fault because they're asking for a recount where there are real problems and real distrust has been mounting that's nonpartisan over the processes that are in place in florida. it is the job of president trump and the job of rick scott who is the governor of the sunshine state to maintain whatever trust citizens have left in these systems and fix the problems they have. after elections, no one put any money into these systems. they never want to make it better. but at the time, they want to name and shame people and flip out. they can have rudy giuliani be a
pit bull on twitter. they can have people like congressman matt gates run around and be reckless with his rhetoric but it's really profound to see the governor of florida and the president of the united states insinuating that there is fraud going on in arizona as well as florida, and that it's senator nelson's fault and he wants illegal votes to count? this kind of thing, when we have such a fragile level of trust anyway in our system is so destructive. and i don't see enough people calling it out. >> can we talk about the president on this because he's obviously tweeted about some of these and suggested that the actual outcome of the election is not -- that we can't trust it. it's behind that, and does it do lasting damage as a.b. is suggesting? >> you can look back at his history in 2016. he said before he was elected that he called the whole system into question and suggested that the election might be rigged if it were hillary clinton who were the victor. now he let that rhetoric sort of drop after he won. but that is clearly something that he's willing to say.
he did then on an election as consequential as the presidential one and he's done the same now. and that's just kind of part of his war chest, i guess. part of his vocabulary when it comes down to an election where he's not seeing a result he wants to see. >> congresswoman, before we wrap up, i want to ask you about your bid to chair the dccc. potentially going to be a tougher road. so a challenging job to take on. where would you look, looking into the next cycle, and why should your colleagues pick you for that job? >> we'll have at minimum 30 members of the democratic caucus. and as many as 33 who will be serving from trump districts. i'm one of those. and i won by the largest margin of any democrat on tuesday. i won by a 24-point margin in a trump district. i defeated a republican to get here. i've increased my margin of victory. i know what it takes to win and
how to hang on to it. i know how to raise the resources we need to be resourceful and i was a journalist like you for almost two decades and worked in communications for another ten years and ended up being a co-chair. hopefully i know how to communicate as well. that probably should have been shorter if i was really good at it. >> it's okay. >> congresswoman, thank you for being here. happy birthday to your sister lynn who i know watches the show sometimes. lynn, very happy birthday to you on this veterans day. congresswoman sherry bustos, a.b. stoddard and tiffany cross. the democrats flip one of the reddest seats in the country. somehow, democrat joe cunningham shocked everyone when he pulled off an upset in a district that president trump won by about 13 percentage points. the congressman-elect joins me live from charleston up next. before we go this thought from house minority leader nancy pelosi.
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south carolina congressman joe cunningham. he pulled off one of the biggest upsets when he defeated trump-backed republican katie arrington to flip mark sanford's seat. it's great to have you on the show. i am surprised, of course, i'm sure as many people are to call you that. but thank you for being here. my main question for you to start this off is, and i realize you may say, oh, well, you know, i'm good looking or just that wonderful, but how did you pull this off in this district? >> well, i mean, we weren't surprised. we had a strong message. this is a district that, you know, went for trump by 13 points in 2016. it's a district that mark sanford won by 22 points in 2016. it's a district that is, obviously, been gerrymandered, but through that gerrymandering, we had a strong message that cut to the core of it. and that was defeating this political tribalism that's, you know, that's ripping us apart at our moral fabric across this
country. and that's what we spoke to throughout this district. and it's what resonated here. and that's why we're able to get support from republican mayors like tim goodwin or jimmy carroll or republican counsel members like jim owens. a lot of folks, you know, heard our message and it resonated with them and we're able to break across party lines and win this seat. >> let me ask you. i'm glad you brought that up, political tribalism. what katie arrington had to explain her loss was interesting and speaks to that topic. i'm going to show it to you and then we'll talk about it. >> the first congressional district last night lost the conservative agenda. we lost because mark sanford could not understand that this was about the conservative movement and not him. mark sanford, to all of your donors, i ask them this morning to request their donation back if they are truly conservatives.
to your wonderful chest that you've kept so proud and for so long. >> so she's essentially blaming mark sanford for her loss to you. that does, in fact, seem to kind of speak of this political tribalism that you point to. do you think part of why she lost was because she was more that way than sanford was? >> yeah, i'll let her speak to why she lost. i can speak to why we won. and the reason why we won is because we start focussing on local issues and issues that impacted people at their very kitchen table. offshore drilling was a huge issue down here in low country. our district covers most of the coastline here in south carolina. and people don't want offshore drilling. and we honed in on that like a laser. you know, we focus on, you know, protecting social security, protecting medicare. we went around the district and talked to folks about their concerns and that's what we addressed. we didn't listen to the d.c. message or the rhetoric coming out of washington.
we focused on local politics and we focused on local issues and we focused on a bipartisanship effort to bring people together. you know, we built the campaign on unity and not division. and that's what carried us across the finish line. >> it's interesting. i actually was down there interviewing katie arrington earlier in the election cycle. we talked to her about offshore drilling. you had said that you supported drilling offshore. that's a trump administration proposal. you said more recently you actually oppose it. where do you stand? >> joe cunningham, the gentleman i'm running against when i was in the hospital saw the mayors and twisted the truth. i'm not for offshore drilling. never have been. there wasn't oil off the coast of south carolina 150 years ago and there's not oil now. all the studies that i've read there's maybe six days if they tapped in, 14 million barrels total. so nobody is going to drill off the coast of south carolina. but i'm not for it. >> if the trump administration
tried to, would you tell them -- >> absolutely. i'd come and say, uh-uh, no, no, not here. >> so that sort of speaks to, one, this was an issue she seems to say one thing in the primary and then change her view in that interview. but as you point out, you did focus more on this very local issue and more in line with where your voters were as you explain it. what can other candidates learn from how you ran this race that you think would apply elsewhere? >> yeah, i think just speak to the local issued and we got to get past this partisanship. and we've got to listen to one another. democrats need to listen to republicans. republicans need to start listening to democrats. and we need to start working together and realize just because we don't agree on everything, doesn't mean we can't come together and work on anything. and i think what you're seeing across the country are new leaders stepping up to say, listen, we have to come together and focus on the issues. and actually get back to what government was intended to do to
make people's lives better. >> so one of the first things you are going to have to do when you come to washington is vote for speaker of the house. if nancy pelosi is running to be speaker and she said she is, do you plan to vote in favor of her to be you plan to vote in favor? >> i will not. i said that from day one. the very first day out of the gates in this campaign and it's nothing against nancy pelosi. it's a matter of having new leadership and ideas and, you know, that's what we've ran our campaign on and what we carry to washington. i think that sentiment is being echoed across this country of having new leadership. both parties need new leadership. not just the democratic party. the republican side needs it as well. that's what we've been running on. >> congressman elect joe cunningham, thank you for your time. we'll see you in d.c. >> thank you for having me. when we come back, we look
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comes close. >> we'll wait to see who emerges and make my decision. >> we'll have new people in the leadership. they may not be in the top position. the future of the special counsel investigation into question. >> mr. trump fired his attorney general replacing jeff sessions with loyalest matt whittaker. >> warning about a possible constitutional crisis. >> he'll create a constitutional crisis. >> the facts for recusal are very strong here. >> right now our top priority is to protect the mueller investigation. >> he should recuse himself. >> i don't think he has to. >> she should never have been appointed. >> i think he was appropriately appoint appointed. >> he's not sliding in somebody that's an old friend. >> should there be legislation to protect the special counsel? >> mueller isn't going to be stopped. it will continue and should continue. >> you didn't say whether it was necessary in the senate. >> i think it will continue. if it continues, why protect something that's continuing. >> okay. >> welcome back to "kasie d.c."
president trump's pick matthew whittaker that served as chief of staff for jeff sessions. met with concern from both sides of the isle. it stems from matt whittaker's comments. mueller's appointment and flatout denying the trump campaign colluded. you may be surprised to hear the president say this about his choice for acting attorney general. >> i don't know matt whitaker. whitaker works for jeff sessions and he's extremely thought of and still is but i didn't know matt whitaker. >> after that you may be more surprised to hear him say this about whitaker just last month. >> one of the questions in the washington post this morning, it says that you talked to the
attorney general's chief of staff about replacing the attorney general. apparently according to the post, i talked to matthew whitaker. >> i can tell you matt whitaker is a great guy. i know matt whitaker. >> during an interview this morning, kellyanne conway qualified whitaker's relationship with the president and his views on the mueller probe this way. >> the president does know matt whitaker, has gotten to know him over the course of the last year since he's been the chief of staff to the attorney general. the president's point is it's not like he's putting a friend in there he's known for his entire life. >> specifically, kellyanne, did he know he was such a sharp critic of the mueller investigation? >> i'm not aware of that because it's not even clear to me that mr. whitaker has been briefed on the mueller investigation. if you're talking about matt whitaker's statements as a private citizen a year and a half ago when the mueller investigation first started, i don't think that diskwqualifies
from being the chief law enforcement officer which is an executive function. >> with that i'd like to welcome in my panel for this hour. intelligence and national security reporter kendall and white house burro chief and analyst phillip rucker and washington burro chief and msnbc contributor kimberly atkins and editor of the resurgent, eric ericsson. i want to start with who is matt whitaker and how strange and outside the norm it is to have somebody not confirmed by the senate do this job. >> it's unconstitutional. that may be the subject. matthew whitaker is a politician, a former college football star that played in the 1991 rose bowl, which you can see on his twitter feed, which has a picture of him. >> if i was in the rose bowl, i'm not going to lie, it still
might be on my twitter. he's a hard right politician. and he's been denouncing the mueller investigation as the commentator on cnn before he joined the justice department. the new york times said he did that to get donald trump's attention in hopes of getting a job. it's pretty clear to reasonable people that trump brought this man in as a way of reigning in robert mueller. i'm not sure that will work at this point, though, but it's very clear that many people think he should recuse himself because he's expressing an opinion on every important issue in question here. he said there was no russian interference in the 2016 election and no collusion, he said there was no obstruction of justice and said if mueller investigated trump's finances, that would be crossing a red line. he's adopted the president's view of the investigation and in charge of it. >> he's essentially made all of the conclusions robert mueller is trying to reach potentially as he investigates? >> exactly. there is another factor. he actually was the campaign chairman for a key witness in the investigation, a man named sam clovis of iowa.
he supervised george papadopoulos. he's a witness and justice department guy. you should step aside if you know somebody involved in the conduct of the investigation. >> phillip rut ke rutker. he looked at the journalism colleague, abby and told her her question was stupid. >> it was a smart question. >> it was. it was a very smart question. >> yes. >> i'm asking you the same question. >> it's pretty obvious he selected whitaker at the same part to get control of the mueller probe. he knew well where whitaker stood. he had been watching whitaker on cable television before he joined the justice department speaking out about the mueller investigation and that was one of the things that attracted him as a figure. whitaker isn't going to stay long and we're hearing at the
end of last week this is likely to be a very short interim appointment. trump is looking at other candidates and facing some pressure to not select whitaker for the permanent job. we'll see how long it lasts. >> eric, you've interviewed whitaker in the context of iowa and politics. what's your measure of the man? >> you know, listen, i think he's a political animal. you know, going back to ken's point, in the position in the camp that he can't be attorney general because the constitution constitutional. article two, section two, clause two principle officers have to be confirmed by the senate and he hasn't been. the solicitor general mr. rosenstein could be but i don't think whitaker can under the constitution and clearance thomas said the federal va kcan doesn't apply. i don't know where he gets the power to someone that's not been confirmed by the senate.
>> let's return to this idea that phil is expressing and what the president said to abby phillip and this is certainly not the first time he's treated a woman and african american woman in the way that he did and it was just very striking to me. we know he's trying to call the probe a witch hunt and to do it in this fashion. what does it say? >> i think he was revealing himself. he was clearly frustrated after the election with the losses in the house and they did pick up a couple seats in the senate and he seemed to let his feelings show this week including in that moment. he's always combative with the press. he's combative with the press no matter the gender and race. we've seen him go after intelligence and competency of the black women he goes after. we've seen it with three doing this a long time. women that could be on this and
we've seen him do it with members of congress. >> april ryan and abby phillip, all of them are, we talked about members of congress and it's very clear he has a very consistent way with black women in particular that leaves no -- it's pretty clear to me and it's clear to other folks. >> to return now to erick erickson's point, we want to talk about the speculation mo d mounting around the search for jeff sessions because as we noted, there is confusion here. one-time head of the trump transition chris christie was spotted. you can see him there spotted at the white house. [ laughter ] >> one-eyed chris. >> behind mississippi governor phil brian. christi claims he was there for a meeting on prison reform and says the president has not spoken to him about the position. but here is what christie had to
say about the man that perhaps he could be replacing. >> if you've never felt real heat in your life before, and all of a sudden you feel the heat and think you're getting third degree burns and all you're getting is a tan but you don't know the difference and what charlie pointed out is when jeff sessions felt the heat in mark, he thought he was getting third degree burns. all he was getting was a tan and he backed off. >> and not a really good tan. >> that's right. it cost the president a good part of his first term with an enormous distraction. >> congressman john ratcliff and trey goud dwdy is on the short . noel francisco and alex azar is said to be on the list. >> we were there when that interview took place and we
expressed very positive statements about robert mueller and the mueller investigation and talked about all the ways that he wished trump had taken advice about not commenting on the mueller investigation. i don't get this chris christie idea. if you're concerned about the mueller investigation and wouldn't he have to recuse himself for the reason jeff sessions did? he's a member of the trump campaign. wouldn't he have to step aside and have rosenstein back in charge. >> erick erickson, what's your take on whether the president should appoint somebody who would be the person that oversees the mueller investigation, how important is that to the selection for the president himself and also for getting whoever this person may be through congress? >> this is going to be the problem. we're now past the election cycle and a lot of republicans that thought they had to be nice to the president before election cycle don't think they have to be nice to him. they don't owe him anything and they have six years to fret about these things. i think this becomes problematic in the confirmation process for
anyone coming forward. lindsey graham may have become the senate judiciary committee and some, myself included thought he was auditioning for the role of attorney general. he says he doesn't want it. he may want these people to come through but you have a number of members of the senate judiciary committee that won't be bold to the president including people like ben and michael and john co cornan. they won't be behold to the president at justice. >> interesting. phil rutker, before we go, i want to ask about a potential crisis, the on going saga of stormy daniels and the hush money payments because the "wall street journal" is out with a report that site three dozen sources and they report that trump not only had direct knowledge of payments made to karen mceldercdougal and tomorr daniels but he directed those payments. that would be a significant step in implicating the president in a legal way.
>> that's correct. it was a tremendous report by the "wall street journal" that's been ahead on this story all year and the most important finding is that the president may have in fact violated campaign finance law with the payments that's of course subject to investigation but that could be a real challenge. so it may be beyond his behavior and having these extra marital affairs but whether there was violation of the federal rules for a campaign and spending. >> that would be because he's getting a benefit by having them stay silent right before the election. is that right? >> correct. you know, i'm not an expert in campaign finance law but the dollar amounts are so much greater when he's using the hush money than the legal limits for campaign contributions and we should point out, by the way, the reporting and journal shows that the president repeatedly lied about these payments. he said over and over that he had nothing to do with the payments, that they didn't exist and tried to call it fake news.
they did exist and he directed it. >> michael cohen implicated the president and this conduct when he pled guilty and the prosecution endorsed cohen's statements, this journal articled articldds a lot. >> it will be interesting. we have much more to come. we'll get a live report as complaints and lawsuits fly in florida and georgia elections and are there any clear lessons for democrats and republicans as we look ahead to 2020? this insight from dave wasserman, if every uncalled race breaks as i expect, house dems class of 61 freshman would include 35 women and just 19 white men. by contrast, republicans class of 31 would include 29 white men and just one woman. how is that? we're back after this. you're headed down the highway when the guy in front slams on his brakes out of nowhere.
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welcome back to "kasie d.c." where florida is over regularities and counting ballots. the governor's and senate race, rick scott filed complaints in court against the election supervisors in you guessed it, broward and palm beach counties. let's go to ally. first of all, you have not come home or maybe you did come home?
you are still on the trail -- >> reporter: nope. still on the trail. >> well, kucu kudos to you. can you walk us through the problems at broward and palm beach? the rhetoric is getting hot. >> reporter: the rhetoric had been hot. you talk heard this and there is no proof about fraud but the one thing you want to pay attention to is palm beach county, all of these counties have to have their machine recounts done by thursday at 3:00 p.m. and one of the counties that's critical, palm beach county said the gop chairman told us tonight he doesn't really think that's going to be a deadline that they can meet because the machines there don't have the ability. you have three statewide recounts going on at once, they don't have the ability to run the races at once. they have to run them one by one so meeting the thursday deadline
will be difficult. that's one thing we want to keep an eye on. >> you also as i understand it went to a county where the reverse is true and the counting is actually going well? >> reporter: yes, i know we spend so much time talking about the counties having problems and it's because they are really important. broward and palm beach are big democratic strongholds and the nelson campaign needs to pick up votes. we went to leon county near tallahassee and got to see the process working the way it should and got to talk to the supervisor why he thinks these other counties are having trouble. take a listen. >> broward county and palm beach county have gotten a lot of attention. what is going on there? why to you think there are so many problems? >> i think they got hit with a flood of by mail ballots they weren't expecting. a lot of counties saw double or triple and that was, i think, primarily due to a lot of third party groups sending out mailers to the people that hadn't voted
yet. it's a long process. and if you're getting double or triple the volume, there is limited resources. you may not have enough computer monitors to do that. i think they got hit with a wave of ballots they didn't expect. >> reporter: and that's important when you talk whablt -- about what is happening in broward and miami date that counted early tore maarlier to deadline. you watch the ballots being fed. it's a process. they start on one side of the room and bring the ballots in from a warehouse and by the time they are done, the ballots are stacked away and the rest of the ballots are brought out. it's a really simple process for them. they have a way they are doing it but other counties that are bigger, it's going to be more of a problem and that thursday deadline is looming because the nelson and scott race is going to hit that quarter of a percent margin where they go to a hand recount and that's when things will get interesting, kasie.
>> ally, thank you so much for your reporting. good luck out there. i hope you have time to sneak in a massage or something because it sounds like you'll be on the road for awhile longer. appreciate it. >> eric, i want you to weigh in on something, rick scott accusing nelson who he's obviously running against in the senate race of committing out right fraud in all of this. what is your take on where the rhetoric would be? we're seeing it elsewhere in arizona and even the nrsc sent e-mails that suggestion the election is rigged or crooked. the president is weighing in on this, as well. at what point do you cross the line from trying to be fair to all parties involved and make sure that the system isn't favoring one over the other and doing fundamental institutions. where should republicans be? >> they need to be careful. rick scott has a court that agreed with him. i was an elections attorney for five and a half years and a lot
of post election day fraud claims that both sides threw out, both sides throwing out in georgia turn out to be meaningless. there are reasons to be concerned in florida and the "miami herold" pointed out. those are small percentages, not enough to throw the election and i think both sides, particularly in florida the republicans, the democrats in georgia have to be careful particularly after both sides ran campaigns on bringing people together and have to be uniters have to divide the elections. >> let's talk about voter suppression in georgia and the stacy abrams campaign. this is one thing we're waiting to see, it looks as though it would be almost impossible for her to win out right but there is a question about perhaps will there be a recount here --
>> run off. >> run off, excuse me, not a recount. thank you for correcting me. what's your take on how these issues are playing out? stacy abrams is strong pushing back. >> the disenfranchisement is a key issue but particularly here where the opponent was somebody who was one of the key proponents of a lot of the laws that we saw that limited the count and so that has become a key part of this election. now that it's this close, we see how it matters on the ground and i think what eric said was right in terms of not just for this election but moving forward to that people that have confidence in the electoral process, confidence their vote will count. you have two sides in this, one says count every vote and one that says hey, let's stop the process because there is fraud. i talked to democrats and republicans on the ground, no proof of fraud has been seen by either side but moving forward, remember 2000 to this day there
are people who discount that election because it was ultimately decided by the u.s. supreme court. if we get into challenges, if we get courts involved and we end this in any other way without the votes being counted, that will have long-lasting damage and people's trust in the electoral system moving forward. >> the x factor is president trump. he has the biggest megaphone and claiming fraud without specific evidence and trying to muddy the waters here as the process is unfolding in florida and there is a potential he will really sew doubts about the outcome of the election. >> i want to ask you about something that stuck out to us here according to -- this is the abrams race. stacy abrams would have been and could be the first african american woman governor. according to exit polls, 97% of black women voted for stacy abrarms and 80% of black men and 25% of white women and 25% of
white men voted for abrams. i found that considering with the wave of democratic women of all races, backgrounds, colors coming to washington. what do you make of that? >> evidence of the polarization in our country, not just in terms of partisan differences but racial differences. race played a role in the florida race and the georgia race and in other races across the country. i know there was a controversial comment by senator sanders pointing that out and he backed off mindful of his 2020 ambitions and maybe not wanting to annoy some voters but if you don't realize that race is important right now and race is a factor in elections, you haven't been paying very close attention and i think one thing that we have seen in the midterms, for example, these house races being played out in the suburbs, there is a lot of talk about suburban women, that tends to be suburban white women but a larger percentage of black people live in suburbs than anywhere else. that was a factor pushing more democrats over the finish line
this time. >> eric ericsson, this is your home state. what do you make of this statistic? >> you know, look, i definitely think stacy abrams ran a campaign different from other democrats we've seen in the last 20 years where she ran a progressive campaign. most democrats sounded republican. she ran a campaign on gun control issues, getting rid of some private school initiatives in the state. so i definitely think that hurt her, but actually, she got closer to the republicans than anyone else and part of that, the exit polling shows is 2% of particularly white women in the suburbs in metro atlanta voted for her and not brian kemp because he was too close to donald trump. he may have boosted the margins in south georgia in rural areas by tieing himself to donald trump but also helped get districts in atlanta that were republican flipped to the democrats because republicans rejected him in the metro areas, or i shouldn't say republicans, general only voters. >> karen handle is not going to be a member of congress.
>> karen handle was one of the ones hurt by that. they said the protrump bit of the republican party really did her in with republicans in the subur suburbs. >> kewe got to let you go. what are you looking for on the mueller saga? >> no one would be surprised if indictments came down but we thought we were bracing ourselves on friday. nothing happened. we don't know. people reported he started writing his final report. that's not news. what is news is when he'll finish that report and that could be a long way off. >> you'll have a lot of news coming your way in the next couple weeks. just ahead, one set of election results and interpretations for democrats and republicans alike in congress as 2020 approaches. we're back after this.
want to have any embrace. erik paulson didn't want the embrace. jeff flake, that's another beauty. >> okay. there was president trump savoring in the losses but one who occasionally contrasted themselves from them. let's check, i lost florida's 26th district 49-51. my colleague who is closely aligned with the president lost 46-53 and jeff flake said friday he has not ruled outrunning for president and that somebody needs to run on the republican side who is not donald trump. phil rut kker, you cover presidt trump every day. does he have all the names written down? >> yes. >> was it a list somebody gave him. >> no, i think he kept score. i think he kept score.
i think he kept track of the republicans that didn't want a campaign with himh himself from him. he knows. he was bitter about it obviously. >> obviously. >> and wanted to dig in but the irony is as pointed out, the reason they distance themselves from him is he's so popular and polarizing in their districts. republicans lost in suburban districts including dallas and salt lake city and kansas city and oklahoma city. that's because of the president being so toxic with his rhetoric. >> that oklahoma city seat, that surprised all of us. there is no single lesson necessarily to be had from the midterms. amy walter of the cook political report writes this, democrats wanted two things to happen on tuesday. a total retribution of trump and an obvious 2020 front runner and they got neither of those. and brett stevens of the "new york times" writes quote, it also under scores that while the resistance is good at generating lots of votes, it hasn't figured out how to turn them into seats,
honesty compels us we achieve the opposite of what we inten d intended. trump is more entrenched today. if nothing else that the president survived his first major political test more than adequately and unless democrats change, he should be the odds on favorite to win 2020. to repeat, i'd hate to see that happen. i want trump and trumpism to lose but the day democrats take charge in the house they can start building real bridges to the other america. interesting take. erick erickson, do you think right now trump gets reelected in 2020? >> you know, actually, i'm not sure that i do when you look at the say buuburbs. he's going to have to find a new
road map and maybe possible to have michigan or wisconsin, one of them to save hill selmself, go back to the prior discussion in georgia, brian kemp was able to off set her big win in atlanta by getting rural republican voters to turn out in mass but lost 2% of reliably republican suburban voters in atlanta that took out members of congress and the state legislature. the president isn't fairing so well and he's going to have to find a way to build as many bridges as brett stevens says the democrats need to build. >> kimberly atkins, it struck me democrats were looking for a rock star. they wanted beto to win and stacy abrams to pull it out and gillum in florida, somebody that could run a progressive campaign in a red or a swing state and win and while frankly their house margin is getting bigger as the days go by and a
significant source of trump, what do you think the party should take for 2020? >> time is running out and they should find who the rock star, the messanger of this message is. they have to figure out what their message is. the fact they honed in on health care is something that you will see moving forward because health care is something that every american can relate to and understand and that's sthalg om resinating better than against donald trump. >> do you think that will resonate now that they have the house and the threat obamacare will be overturned? >> you had a lot of republicans once they realized how much health care was resinating suddenly saying they would protect preexisting conditions for example. now that democrats have the house, they very well could put forward emotion and put republicans on record and say here is a bill to protect preexisting conditions and force a vote on that moving forward. they have power how they leverage that legislatively will be important but it still, i
think, it's going to be tough for a lot of reasons for democrats, not the least reason being we'll have about 47 candidates coming forward and it's going to be a slug fest leading up through the primaries. >> phil rutker, you're a careful student of president trump, what do you think it will take for democrats to beat him in 2020? >> i think it will take more than a policy agenda. i think it will take a sort of direct contrast to donald trump and what's happening in america and the kind of seat change in politics and i think the democratic base is going to be looking for somebody to provide a different kind of vision than the one we're on now. that doesn't necessarily mean somebody who is attacking trump in a jugular sort of nasty trump way but somebody will have to paint sort of a full picture of where they would lead this country, what the institutions are going to look like, what sort of tone you would have in the oval office and what that presidency would be like.
that's what presidential elections are about. >> i think that's true, one thing we learned in the midterms, midterms are different than presidentials but people thought a lot of trump voters would have voted for him in 2016, been appalled by what he did and said and then flip. we did not see that, any evidence of that. that people that voted for him before were any more less willing to vote for him again and the republican -- and the democrats need to reach a lot of those folks to win. >> that's a great point. >> amy. >> we want to thank you so much for your time tonight. we'll let amino she has your full endorsement. >> no, no, no. [ laughter ] >> she's going to go for that. we should tell all of our viewers, you were watching the president returning to the south lawn from his trip from paris. still to come on "kasie d.c." >> talk to me about the most important issues for you in the course of the next two weeks in the midterms. >> for me personally is what
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a striking scene, they are in a circle eating mres, hemeal ready to eat and past them in the united states and out of sight is whataburger eight miles away and off limits to the soldiers who are deployed. this is everyday life until after thanksgiving when these soldiers will get to go home. they are there under the president's orders who warned the far off migrant caravans amount to a foreign invasion. let's bring in michelle who made history this week after new mexico elected her the first
ever latin tha governor, the fi governor from either party. governor-elect, it is great to have you on the show tonight. thanks for being here. >> you bet. thanks for having me, kasie. >> what has changed in new mexico over the past couple of years that led the governorship to switch from republicans to. >> it's failed policies and don't invest in their own econom diversify and led to having one of the worst public education systems in the country, we're 50th in all outcomes. we're one of the worst in child well being and have not transitioned to a diverse sustainable economy. i campaigned on getting things done on those messages and we had a pretty resounding result.
>> i'm wondering, we showed some clips of voters in the final days right ahead of this interview, and it's very clear that many republicans were concerned about the migrant caravan president trump was talking about. in your state along the southern border, do you believe that this migrant caravan is a threat to the united states? >> i do not, and i think most new mexicans share my opinion. we want border security. we want our federal agents and if necessary any armed forces to assist in real activity that threaten our national security. in the trump administration, the last two years we've seen a 30% drop in homeland security, drug cartels and money and serious crime that impacts border states and to have the rhetoric to
separate our military hen and women from their families and not to treat asylum seekers and refugee, folks seeking refugee in this manner and it is incredibly troubling to most border states, new mexico included. >> you have mentioned education in your first answer and i know that's something you campaigned on. how much did the national climate affect your race for governor, was it something that was a consistent part of the conversation or do you credit a focus on local issues for your win? >> i think it was a healthy combination. new mexicans did not favor trump as a presidential candidate. new mexic arksmexicans felt the administration were having trouble getting the federal government to respond to this state. we're a state that relies on d
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oil and gas community in his state and they created a prettyfeprett prettpretty pretty effective effort. new mexico with the third largest oil and gas producer and i said well before i was elected that i want to take that platform so that we do whereas environmentally connected and effective as we can be in that context. with regard to the trump administration, we're going gi fight against expanding oil and gas in the world heritage site here, we're rally going to push back on having the federal lands be only available for ex tratrag industries. we think new mexico is as big as are y renewable energy. >> new mexico governor-elect michelle lujan grisham.
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it's been a frustration. i think i've mentioned to you before, that we've had plenty of women candidates, a lot of them have not won. marsha blackburn won. we're hopeful that martha mcsalley will win. i'm going to be trying to convince one of our women for example to go on the judiciary committee. something i've tried and failed the last couple of congresss. yeah. i mean we need to do a better job of recruiting women candidates and getting them elected. hopefully we'll have two new women republican senators here shortly.
>> let's be clear, it looks like mcsally is probably going to lose the ways to a democrat. who is also a woman. so they'll have a woman senator. what are you watching for in the week ahead? >> i'm looking at what house republicans are going to do when they come back leading up to this leadership vote that's going to come first that will be one at the end of the month, e-caucus vote and in january there's the floor vote. right now i think -- >> you're talking about democrats? >> democrats, sorry. democrats on the house side. it's late, i haven't had enough coffee. i think nancy pelosi is probably safe. although that there is real energy in an insurgency to try to oust her. i think look for rule changes, some folks to try to change the rules to lower the threshold to get on those votes. look for her to try to fight back. maybe trying to push for rules that make the first vote public instead of private that prevents people from voting against her and vote for her. i think she's safe but it will be a bumpy road. >> i wouldn't bet against nancy pelosi, phil what are you watching for? >> the president's cabinet.
is he going to push out any other members? we've got our eyes on interior secretary ryan zinky. >> that's going to wrap it up for us tonight on kasie d.c. the percentage of white men as a share of white republicans on track to rise to 90%. we'll be back next week from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. for now good knight from washington. >> the russian government have any compromising material on president trump or his family? >> does donald trump fear vladimir putin? personally i believe he does. why does he fear him? i don't know. >> he has loomed over the trump presidency. >> there's no doubt among the american intelligence agencies, the cyberattacks on the american election in two 15 were ordered by vladimir putin. here it comes, fake news, here comes cyberattacks. it comes right out of an