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we'll be following the situation out in california with more fires breaking out and more bodies being discovered. the results of these fires are staggering. and it looks like that's where our next broadcast will be starting right there with stephanie ruhle who picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks so much, mika. good morning, everyone, i'm stephanie ruhle, and mika's right, we have got to talk about one thing, california. because it is burning six more people found dead in what is now the deadliest fire in the state's history. >> to me like an apocalypse that god's on vacation and he's not taking care of us. >> and the wild, wild west wing. last week it was sessions. now reports that three more members of the administration could be on their way out. and a surprising person might be behind all of it. plus, we've got to cover the tech boom, outrage in new york as the depth of the giveaways for half of amazon's h q2 is
revealed, one of the richest company in the world's tax breaks are in the billions, and even their helipad. >> an ongoing pad, volunteers in virginia push to make every vote count. their political energy sparked by the midterms, it is just the beginning. >> we were told it couldn't be done, this is georgia, it is red, it will never happen and we have actually made a difference. we're going to get to the fires in just a moment. but first, nbc has brand new reporting on how the midterms have ushered in a new season of uncertainty q uncertainty at the white house. it was seven days ago that attorney general jeff sessions was forced to resign. but as we are learning today, he might be just the first of several top officials headed out the door. homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen, chief of staff john kelly, and commerce secretary wilbur ross, all mentioned as candidates to be
the next person fired. in an extraordinary development, the first lady's office has issued a public call for trump to fire deputy national secretary adviser mira -- an increasing frustrated president is dealing with bad news. it started with the midterms and democratic wins that have only increased since election day. it continued with his trip to paris where the president was publicly criticized by french president macron, and slammed on social media for skipping a trip to a military cemetery, one of the main reasons he went. if that wasn't enough he is reportedly upset about a wall street journal article confirming his role in paying off two women involved in alleged sexual affairs. and the mueller investigation continues to loom, and that's not going away anytime soon. nbc news reporting trump's legal team could submit written answers to questions about russia as early as this week. so i want to bring in nbc's
kristen welker, live at the white house. kristen, you have had so much on your plate in the last six days. i cannot even imagine. take me inside what is going on behind closed doors because it don't sound good. >> steph, it has been a lot. that's for sure. today we're tracking what you mapped out, which is this intensifying power struggle, really, between the west and east wings here at the white house. and that stunning statement by the first lady spokesperson yesterday calling for the ouster of the president's deputy national security adviser. let me read you that statement, steph, because it really stunned a lot of folks within the political world. this was from stephanie grishom who went on the record to say it is the position of the office of the first lady that mira -- no longer deserves the honor of serving in this white house. so what is going to happen? does she still have a job? there's no indication she has been fired at this point in time, but undoubtedly pressure is mounting on something to
happen. she's roiled a lot of people in the administration. she upset the first lady's office when she created difficulties over that big trip that the first lady had to africa. but she's really rubbed a lot of other people here within the white house the wrong way as well. and then we reported, of course, on the clashes between the first lady's staff and the chief of staff's staff as well, steph, over travel and staffing issues. could he be among those to be leaving soon? all of this comes as president trump, according to conversations that i've had with folks who are close to him, he's becoming increasingly frustrated. he's concerned about the results of midterms, concerned about ongoing investigations and subpoenas. these tensions within his administration only adding fuel to the fire, steph. >> all right, kristen. you need some gatorade, sister, you have a lot of work to do. >> every day. rick tyler, republican strategist, cofounder of foundry
strategies, and eddie glaud, a princeton university professor. turnover after midterms, that is not unusual. this seems pretty unusual though. >> i was looking at my org chart, melania, she is the wife of the president, look at that. you'd think they might have a conversation, i'm a little upset about the way the national security -- >> privately. >> don't do it in public. he's literally fired jeff sessions how many times before he had to resign. and he's firing kirstjen nielsen publicly over and over again, which has got to undermine her, her staff, her moral. >> i'm looking for the surprise. if you're kriirstjen nielsen, o john kelly, she took the job after watching the others. my goodness, look what this
does, how it undermines her, what will she do? you get what you get and you don't get upsit. >> it's chaos. >> we knew this was trump's modus operandi. >> there are a lot of people who have had extraordinarily successful careers who have -- oh, no, they're actually not any who have had extraordinary, successful careers after working for trump, ever. >> what worries me or concerns me, stephanie, is that if any of these folks leave, when they leave, however they may leave, who's going to replace them? who in their right mind would want to enter into that circus? that's what it is, it's a circus. and with the carnival barker, donald trump, worried, concerned, morose, caught up in his feelings, however we want to put it -- >> caught up in his feelings. >> who is going to want to join this? and it just -- it signals another level of crisis. >> okay, rick, i want to go through what it's been like for
the president in the last week. the way he was received in paris. >> you will not get me to feel sorry for him. >> i'm not saying you should feel sorry for him. i read in the l.a. times counting out he is getting increasingly frustrated, doesn't want to go to events. i want to share some of them here. it includes mike pence went to the asian summit in singapore. mike pompeo met with the abdullah on tuesday. trump didn't go to arlington on monday to lay a wreath. >> and he's mad at general kelly because of the optics. >> how can you be mad at general kelly? generally kelly went on saturday. >> the french sent a delegation to arlington to pay respects to our american soldiers, and the president wasn't there. and the president -- when you get a deferment not to serve and then you denigrate a gold star family and then you talk about john mccain has not a hero, and then you have never visited
combat troops, like obama did eight times, bidden did once, that's nine, and then you skip out on arlington and not go somewhere else. >> how are you mad at john kelly for that? >> you can't be. you would have to be delusional to think you weren't going to get criticism. oh, mr. president, i'll go next year, what year is this? oh, it's the centennial. i'll go in the 101st. it's insane. >> eddie, we need help from the rest of the world. i want to share -- we need it in trade, we need it in economy, we need it in trade, in terms of global security. there's a new report from the national defense strategy commission that says this. the u.s. military could suffer unacceptably high casualties and loss of major capital assets in its next conflict. it might struggle to win, or perhaps lose a war against china or russia. the united states is particularly at risk of being overwhelmed. should its military be forced to fight on two or more fronts
simultaneously? so if america first turns into america alone, could we believe these consequences could come true? >> absolutely, absolutely. this is part of the confusion about trump's -- around trump's foreign policy. trump has rejected the post world war consensus, the post world war ii consensus. >> allies matter. >> he's rejected the basic premise of nato. his transactional approach has led him to throw allies into cross hairs unnecessarily. and the assumption, the assumption is this kind of hypermasculine understanding of who we take ourselves to be as a country. >> we need to revisit masculine. >> i know. he just thinks that america has them, and we can just go out and do whatever we want to do and we don't need anyone to help us. >> and he got completely one upped in europe. >> macron, just -- >> i don't think macron did it on purpose. >> yes, he did, come on now.
>> but, look, it was perfectly appropriate to talk about the evils of nationalism at a centennial world war i -- >> it caused the war. >> and juxtapose that against trump's lack of understanding of what that term means and the weight it carries. so, you know -- >> he has an understanding of what it means. >> yes. >> yes. >> he has to. most intelligent people would, but it's just really remarkable -- >> there's an ideological -- there's a sense of how trump understands nationalism is rooted in his understanding of his understanding of europe, his understanding of western civilization, what they need to do to protect themselves. all of this is rooted in something that we heard steve bannon say a long time ago. >> he wanted to tear the whole system down. >> exactly. >> imagine if he's being successful in doing so. please stay there. we've got to take you from d.c. to california because the wildfires out there have now killed more people than any
wildfire in modern american history. at least 50 people are confirmed dead. but hundreds, hundreds are still missing. at this point more than 7,600 homes have been destroyed, more than 70,000 more are in the path of two major fires burning in both northern and southern california. this is a massive human tragedy. first responders are not immune from the suffering. >> all your memories are gone. you're back -- your backyard's gone. you can't play baseball with your son. you have a doll house that you made for your kids in the back, it's a glorified shed, you know, it's flattened. it really hits home. >> i want to go to nbc's steve patterson who is in chico, a city that has been serving as a staging area for fire crews. steve, you've been there for days now. give us the latest.
>> stephanie, i mean, the worst thing that you can hear, obviously is that death toll, now at 50 across the state, 48 just here alone. but i have to say when you're covering these mass tragedies, especially as you mentioned on a scale like this, the scariest number is the number missing, which for now days into this week has held in the hundreds, if not upwards of now more than a hundred people remaining missing. everybody we've talked to expects that number to feed the number of dead, which means that death toll expected to rise. paradise is in ruins. we've been saying it for days. but some of the most heartbreaking sites you're going to see are happening now. instead of search teams combing through the wreckage, instead of utility crews which have cleared a lot of that off of the streets what you'll find now are teams of codaadaver dogs and
anthropologists and archaeologists. the remains are so badly charred and burned that they are unidentifiable even with dental records. they're going to have to dig not even knows if there are remains. . crews are dealing with that right now. a lot of the firefighters, the people that are working here, have a tangible relationship to this community. many of the guys we spoke to grew up here, lived here, knew the blocks that are now gone, knew the homes that used to be on this corner and that corner, all of that now is reduced to rubble. good news, if there is any, is that firefighters are not in the areas of paradise, not in these city centers. that's because the fire is pushed out to areas that are more rural. so the front of the fire is now being reduced. the red flag winds are over, the immediate fire threat, at least at this point, seems to be subsiding. but again, it's the hard aftermath, it's the grueling work of digging for bodies. this community healing. that's all going to take a long, long time here, stephanie, back
to you. >> steve, thank you so much for your great reporting on this. this story, we're going to stay in front of it all day. we're going to take a break. up next, votes are still being counted in florida and the state of georgia. but regardless of the outcome, democratic volunteers in georgia insist they're in it for the long haul. what is next for them after these midterms? before we go, holiday season is upon us. have you seen the tree outside yet? it's going to be amazing. and seth meyers reveals some new toys out there inspired by none other than president trump. >> a toy company has announced it will begin selling a lego inspired kit for kids called maga build the wall. the way it works is you scream about how much you want it and your parents never provide the funding. ♪
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welcome back. i am stephanie ruhle. we are still talking midterms because the heated battle in florida just got even more complicated. i didn't think that was possible. the supervisor of elections for palm beach county says vote counting machines overheated and stopped working yesterday. requiring staff to recount nearly 175,000 early vote ballots. >> we don't have a lot of assurances. as you know the machines are old and they started overheating. and as a result the types are not reconciling properly. >> mother of goodness. more than a week after the midterms the outcomes for the
senate and governor's races in the state are unclear. kerry sanders, more lawsuits and a looming deadline tomorrow, where do things stand? >> reporter: it is going to go down to the wire. what you're looking at over my shoulder is the broward supervisor elections team here that is getting ready to take all those votes that were mailed in and they're going to start checking those to see how the machines count them. but let's go live to the picture right now up in -- up in palm beach county. this is in riviera beach. the real problem here is, as you just noted, the machines that broke down. so 174,900 votes that had been run through, had been counted and remember palm beach was already saying that they thought it was going to be very difficult to meet the deadline. then they reversed that and said they thought they would meet it thursday at 3:00 p.m. and now it's back in jeopardy.
to understand, the equipment there is so old that the company that makes it is out of business, sequoia. when they had to get somebody to come and fix it, they had to find somebody who worked on this machine when the company was still in business, get them to fly in, take a look at it and see what they could do. as we're looking at what basically is not a whole lot going on there, you can hear the clock ticking back and forth going that thursday deadline is coming. meantime, as you noted, there's lawsuits flying all over, among the lawsuits that will be heard today is about those mail-in ballots. all types of problems with this. first of all, you mail in your ballot and you get the stamp and the stamp says it was cancelled three days before the actual election day. but because the mail was going through the opaloca sort facility. you remember that name? that's where those pipe bombs were going through. and so there was a complete shutdown there. and as a result of that, a lot of the mail didn't get out. when it arrived at the elections
offices in south florida, it arrived after election day. and so now the supervisor of elections with the guidance of the state have to decide, okay, are we going to accept that ballot that arrived late, but was postmarked early, or by state law does it not count because it arrived late? then you have, on top of that, military ballots coming in from overseas. they can be counted all the way up to friday. but remember, we just said the deadline is thursday at 3:00 p.m.? so how are they going to be counted if they're arriving on friday when the deadline is thursday? it's a little bit of a mess, and we have an expert that we talked to who sort of is a nonpartisan here who can give us an idea. he says, even with all of these problems he believes ultimately every vote will be counted. >> the nelson campaign believes that one of the counting machines on the first go round missed upwards of 25,000 votes, and they think they're going to get those numbers back. if the machine did, if that's
valid, they'll get picked up during the machine recount. which means it will be down to like 2,000 to 3,000 votes before the hand recount comes in. it's across the state. all of them will look at questionable ballots. there will be litigation over the inclusion of the signatures in terms of provisional ballots and absentee ballots. it's going to be a mess. but ultimately all the votes that we can will get counted. >> reporter: governor rick scott, who in the first count appeared to have won the election, even though it's still in dispute right now, he's in washington today at the capital. he's joining other recently elected senators as they meet and discuss committee assignments, and ultimately will pose for a photograph. and there's a strong possibility that we will have two people there that would be the current incumbent senator, bill nelson, and governor rick scott in the exact same picture, strange
times. >> kerry, this web is so complicated and ridiculous, i have to end this conversation because if we continue it another 30 seconds, somehow we are going to tie it to you saving a dolphin in florida, and that will simply be too much for me. kerry sanders, thank you so much. that story is ridiculous. and now we've got to go to georgia where there is no declared winner in the governor's race as votes are still being counted there. a federal judge has ordered election officials in the state to review all, doesn't that seem obvious, all provisional ballots, prohibiting the state from certifying the election results before friday. what's more, another judge ruled absentee ballots that were rejected due to problems with the date of birth, they better be counted. republican brian kemp leads democrat stacey abrams by nearly 59,000 votes. and joining me is chris jansick,
you gujust got back from georgi. you met a group of women known as supervolunteers. they have mobilized because they want every vote to count. they've already been successful at flipping one seat. >> they were leaving me to go to a protest. they are fed up with voter suppression. they've learned who are the individuals on their local election boards. they want something done about this. they didn't even dosh. >> don't mess with the mamas. >> they didn't even know election boards existed before, county election boards. let me tell you, they do now. if i took away one message, it's if you think that the suburban woman turned passionate voter turned activist in some cases then turned candidate is like a one off for 2018, you're not paying attention. take a listen. >> every state i've gone to, the majority of these volunteer activists are women. what's going on? >> we're pissed off. >> we've been pta moms and we've been preparing for this for decades.
>> and also, and i agree with what cam and tamara said, but also we tend to really get organized and support each other because we are used to not having a seat at the table, perhaps and you have to come in through some kind of back door or side door. and so we know how to do this in other parts of our lives. and i also think that we're so tired of the sexism and the racism and all of the things that we walk through life experiencing. we've had enough. and it's our turn now to be the organizers, to be the candidates, to be the elected officials. we are 51% of the population, for goodness sakes. >> now that you have a seat at the table, you don't want to give it up. >> you can't unring that bell. >> we're going to enter a matriarch era, down with the patriarch, sorry. >> so you've got -- >> they're not doing a good job. if they were doing a good job, we probably would all hang out and play with our kids and our
pets and do a normal thing. but they're doing a very horrible job at running the government, of being leaders, of representing our interests. >> do you think having more women and the most women ever in congress is going to change the equation? are you hopeful for the next couple of years? >> absolutely. >> yeah, yeah. >> i think it has a ripple effect. we've all known the candidates that just ran in georgia. we all know them personally. or have met them, every single one of them. and so some of that came out of -- some of those candidates were in some of these grassroots groups and felt the support and emboldened to step up and run. they came into a rally incognito with hat and glasses can then ran for office. that kind of happened. >> it's wild, isn't it? >> it's tremendous, it's inspiring, it's incredible. then another woman says if she can do it, i can do it. all of us are behind them saying we've got you. >> one of my favorite quotes from these women, stephanie, things change and shift with
perseverance. >> damn, girls, these mama bears are not going to be hibernating this winter. >> no. >> what are they doing next? >> oh, so after they got done with the protest yesterday, look, they've already recruited thousands of other women like them and they are absolutely determined to educate people. they talk about going to people's doors who say i'm not smart enough to vote, and they'll spend 20 minutes with them, what are your questions? what do you need to know? they are recruiting candidates actively and they have already an infrastructure, how to support them. they say, look, some of us are marketing people, we can show you how to market yourself as a candidate. some of us, you know, work in stores where we can print flyers for you. and here's the other really interesting thing, one of the moms said to me, and the other ones nodded, she said the kids would get up saturday morning and say, mom, what t-shirt do we put on today? they were canvassing for so many different people. you're not just planning for 2020, you're planning for the
next generation, and they said, you bet we are. >> damn, boys, emotional intelligence, perseverance, compassion, smarts, you're screwed. i've got to bring in my panel. i've got to share a picture, first. we were talking about rick scott making his way to washington. there he is. he has not yet -- his race has not been officially called. they're still doing a recount and there he is in a photo, standing next to mitch mcconnell, marcia blackburn's in the picture, i believe i saw mitt romney over to the left. so one could say he's assuming the position, not so fast, you don't have the job yet. all right, rick, let's talk about the midterms. it seems that they are not over. who are the midterms motivating more? >> well, i mean -- >> post midterms. the president is angry and sulking around the white house. it. >> it wasn't a blue wave. it's more like a rising flood.
>> may be more constructive than a blue wave. >> maybe, i think that the democrats are definitely much more organized about they've captured the house, as has been discussed on this network many times, the president has, i don't think, in this case, stephanie, i don't think the president really realizes how difficult life will be with the democratic house that he can't control. so in that sense i think the democrats have an edge. but the thing that happened in the midterms, that i think is the most significant, is you had educated, affluent white women have now joined a coalition of minorities, african-american and hispanic. if you hold those together, that's a pretty unbeatable coalition. and the republicans are going to have a hard time breaking that apart. particularly when the president has done so much damage, particularly to the hispanic community. >> that takes us to three different points. one is that what the midterms showed and demonstrated is that demographic shifts are real, that they're happening, that what we saw in texas, what we saw in georgia, what we're seeing in florida, what we saw
in nevada, arizona, that those were real. >> do you think that demographic shift that we have seen is one of the reasons you are seeing this white nationalist movement rise so much? >> absolutely, absolutely, there's a sense in which the browning of america isn't something in the distant future. folks are confused by these ambiguously racial people and their commercials, all these interracial folks. i mean, it seems as if what america is, is fundamentally changed. >> confused by civility, decency and goodness. >> we're in a funeral procession, i do believe that, it's just how long the funeral will be. we have demographic shifts. then we have the nature of grassroots organizing, that's pushing the democratic party from below. and they're trying to -- the dnc is trying to keep up. these women are an example. there's something happening on the ground that can be nationalized, but it's reflective of what's happening -- >> these women are far closer to the center than they are the far left. >> how we think about the center and the left is changing because the political spectrum is
shifting. this is interesting. and then the last is that trumpism is distressing the country. the country is now facing a choice, are we going to be racist, xenophobic, nativist? are we going to be this? and i think that choice is being made over and over again in these local elections. >> and these groups of women look like america, they are diverse, they're diverse in terms of age, they're diverse in terms of ethnicity, diverse in terms of education. one of them said to me, my activist life has become my social life. you know, they're getting together in the morning and having their coffee together and plotting. they're getting together at night over wine and they're making their plans. that becomes something that is central to who they are. not just, again, 2018 or 2020. >> it is also historically true. if you look at great civic institutions, the red cross is one of them, women are the ones organizing things that are worthwhile doing. historically true. here they are again. >> what we do know is that group
of senators sitting around, standing around mitch mcconnell, they don't look like what we're talking about. look at that group. >> no, they don't. >> they don't look like the america we're talking about. >> are you pointing at me? >> remember, that diverse group you're talking about with all those women, they're united in the fact that decency and civility matters to all of them. as we just told you, moments ago, mitch mcconnell met with a new republican members of the senate. that's why it's so confusing to me. so what is at the top of the docket as they go from campaigning to running the country? one thing that is not there, and guess what, i'll be bringing this up every single day, the new middle class tax cut. remember that one, president trump promised it three weeks ago? i haven't seen it. maybe they'll bring it up today. we're going to look at some of the effects, last year's tax bill had on our economy. i can't wait to see that tax cut, sir, i'm ready. ♪
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a 10% tax cut for middle income families. this is no business in addition to the big tax cuts that you've already gotten. >> yes, sounds good, right. i cover the economy every single day here. we have yet to see or hear any plan from republicans on that 10% tax cut for the middle class. but it has been nearly a year since the gop's tax cut went into effect. and i want to take a moment with a hat tip to the "new york times" to remind everyone what it has or has not done. according to jp morgan chase analysts in the first half of 2018 about $270 billion in corporate profits were repatriated to the united states and 46% of that was spent on $124 billion worth of stock buybacks. not familiar with those? that is an area where companies have gone on an all out binge.
capital research has found that 1,000 of the largest public companies have cut employment, eliminating nearly 140,000 jobs. if that were not enough, the gop's plan is not paying for itself as republicans assured americans it would. the federal budget deficit rose to $779 billion in the 2018 fiscal year that ended in september. that is a 17% increase from last year. now, we're still waiting on that plan from republicans for a tax cut for the middle class. lawmakers are back on the hill today, and democrats may be facing a battle when it comes to speaker of the house. about a dozen freshman democrats in congress say they're not going to support congresswoman nancy pelosi. the question is, where does that leave the party's leadership? msnbc's garrett haake joins me live on the hill. garrett, let's walk through this. first of all the president said democrats are going to try to block that tax cut.
there's no plan to block. but let's talk about what's happening with democrats. we know some real heavy weights in the democratic party have been making calls to support nancy pelosi. what has she been doing? >> yeah, stephanie on the tax plan it's very easy to block something that doesn't exist. as for pelosi, if you're a betting person, you'd probably still rather put your money on nancy pelosi being the next speaker over the democratic field. there's a public and private campaign going on by nancy pelosi and her allies to make sure she can lock up the support needed to return to the speaker's office. her supporters have been out giving interviews, sending letters from ranking members, like adam schiff and elijah cummings leaning on incoming freshman democrats and folks who have opposed pelosi in the past saying it's time to get on board. she would be the only woman at the leadership table in either party right now and she needs to be a part of this going forward. in private, there's more arm twisting going on.
remember, house democrats won't vote on who their leadership will be until after thanksgiving. there's a lot of time for this to play out. >> no one else has stepped up. >> that's the key thing. you can't beat somebody with nobody and you certainly can't beat nancy pelosi, as wired as any figure in washington, d.c. without somebody else stepping up to the plate. and it speaks to how well wired she is, despite the discomfort with some in the party with her. >> republicans, how are they feeling heading back to the house, specifically now that democrats have control? >> stephanie, it is no fun to be in the minority party in the u.s. house of representatives. >> it could be fun if you want to work with others. >> it could be. but when was the last time we've seen that happening? >> that's the choice. if you want to dig in and hang out in your own corner, that won't be fun. it would be fun if you do what voters asked you to do. >> republicans coming back, a lot of these folks have never
been in the minority before. they're will earning the hard lesson, won't be in charge of committees, won't be in charge of what gets passed. won't be in charge of anything. that reality is really sinking in as one republican congressman told us last night. here's what republicans are talking about. >> let's face it, when you're in the minority, your job is just to vote no on what goes on because in the minority you don't control the hearings, you don't control the legislation. so it's going to be a different world for all of us. >> so there you see it, steph, republicans digging in to be oppositional figures here in the u.s. house for the next two years. >> well, it will be especially difficult for -- he's still indicted, chris collins, correct? >> that's correct. >> indicted, let's remember that, every time you see his face, indicted. garrett, thank you so much. up next, we've got to talk about amazon. gosh, i talked about it all last night, their announcement of new hq2 headquarters, new york and virginia give away too much, were those the right cities for
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time for money, power, politics. today you know we're talking amazon. the $800 billion will split its second headquarters, opening one in northern virginia, the other in long island city queens in new york. the size and quality of the labor pool in these cities contributed to the decision. yeah, we got that. but one other thing that could
have been a factor, more than $2 billion in tax incentives from the two states. if amazon's hiring falls short of projections, at least 50,000 jobs, the incentive payments will decrease. kara swisher is the editor at large of recode and a dear friend of mine who i wanted more than anyone else to talk about this. >> let's go. >> this thing was a beauty pageant. they asked 22 states to put their lipstick on, look beautiful and thin it out and get mountains of data. they didn't need to do that if they were going to choose the two hottest girls in school. >> i'm not even going to respond to your metaphor, stephanie. i'm going to just move along. what's happened here, given the reaction from a lot of people, i think they've kind of misread the room on the situation, as casey newton just wrote in a news letter he does about social media. the backlash has been kuwait
stro -- quite strong in terms of picking. this is a circus, i've said it many times and the media has covered it like it was a serious thing. i was like this is just a three-ring circus that there's going to be 146 losers and two winners, or one winner, really, in this case two winners. no matter what happens here it's not a good look for amazon to attract this much attention, even if they're providing jobs. one, they get tax breaks, a tax break from a trillion dollar company owned by the world's richest man. and secondly, there's all these other cities that lost out. there's a lot of recriminations and questions about tax breaks and looking at amazon and its power. it's attracted a lot of negative attention, this decision. >> so negative attention. but besides a p.r. disaster, what does amazon do? >> they're not going to change their decision. they're going to keep what they're done. i would have done it in a quieter way.
apple's looking at doing -- all these rumors apple is going to do a bigger headquarters somewhere else. the headquarters is in seattle, just the way it is and it's been founded there and that's where the real headquarters are. other companies are looking to expand, but they won't do it so loudly. tax breaks are something we have to think about, a lot of mayors decided not to do this. san jose, another city, i forget the cities that declined to do it. the question is, should these cities pay to attract these incredibly successful companies? why do we do it this way? it's like sports stadiums or other things. what's the economic impact, really, of doing this, and also the economic cost? there's going to be housing issues, transportation issues, traffic issues, pollution issues. like, it adds onto a city to have to bring in this many workers. >> to that exact point, newly elected alexandra -- amazon is a
billion dollar company. the idea that it will receive hundreds of millions of dollars in tax breaks at a time when our subway is coupleabling and our communities need more, it's extremely concerning to residents here. new york didn't need this. what it's going to do to our housing behind where they're going to do this in long island's city, you've got neighborhoods like sunny side, one of the few affordable neighborhoods that's only 15 minutes from the city. rents there are going to blow up. if they wanted to be on the east coast, they could have gone to a baltimore or philadelphia where there are tons of areas that need renovation, where they've got ample housing. we don't have it here. >> i think one of the issues, amazon is absolutely correct, the workers are -- the better workers for them, for their purposes are in these areas they've picked. it's just the case, better trained workers, there's more of them. things like that. to be fair to them, it's an important issue, who they can -- who they can hire in these cities.
that's a lot of jobs. but i agree with you, she's got her finger on the pulse of new york better than governor cuomo or mayor de blasio. she's absolutely articulating the issue perfectly well, why are we doing all these giveaways for billionaires? that's the very easy pr spin to it, it's a little more complicated than that, obviously, but it's going to dog amazon, especially when there's other attacks on antitrust issues and marketing power and retail. it's not a great story to add to others that are growing, not just around amazon, but around all of tech, is that tech is doing some damage, should there be regulations and things like that? that said, they're bringing jobs, which is great, that's a great thing, no matter where it is. i'm surprised they didn't maybe pick somewhere, you're right, that's not quite as -- not in need of jobs as much as these two. >> they're also bringing, and not to make light of $100,000
job, but $100,000 job in new york city, yes, this is the city that never sleeps, it's a fantastic, amazing city, everybody wants to live here, it doesn't actually get you much. $100,000 job in another city could be tremendous, and could attract a lot of talent. you know jeff bezes he could one day want to be president of the united states, wouldn't this be an opportunity to be an andrew carnegie, say i'm the richest man in history, i'm going to change a city in america. nobody's changing new york. >> i don't think he's going to run for president, but okay, you're right, they had to think this out carefully. the optics are not good, the tax breaks, the impact it's going to have.
then there will be a so there will be bad feelings and everything else. so a friend of mine texted me, there is a lot of feelings about the everything store going on. and so this just adds to sort of bad feelings, even if it is somewhat good news for some people in thes je >> jeff bezos could always turn down the tax breaks. >> he could, yeah, sure, why not. and donald trump could not tweet crazy things in anger. but whatever, sure. >> so you're saying there's a chance. up next, lincoln famously said a house guided against itself cannot stand. but after another divisive election, a new study reveals just how split we are as a nation. nation it was here.
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activists, on the far right devoted conservatives. but in the middle like the exhausted majority and that's what i want to talk about. joining me now, tim dickson. i want you to break down for me who the exhausted majority is because there are more and more people that are recoiling. not even voicing an opinion in fear that they will be called a liberal whack a do or waysiraci. >> what we found when we had the conversations with people is that the strongest that comes out from the majority, they are finding politics as degenerated and poisonness. and what they are looking for is a different way through, a different kind of politics. they is even that compromise is something that has to happen in normal lives. it happens in their families, why can't it happen in the political space as well. >> but dthey are exhausted, so
how do you empty power them? >> i think this is a challenge because social media is sort of driving the polarization and driving extreme voices and it is all about conflict. and in the digital age, it is driven by the attention common. one side you have politics playing out conflict all the time, but people in their own lives want something different and i think that is the challenge for 2020, it is the challenge for politics now. how do you reengage people in a way that is hopeful and that transcends our differences. >> and what do they see as the reasons causing such depolarizati depolarization? >> for most people they don't think that the problems that we face are so difficult that we can't come together. 77% of americans said we do have differences, but our differences aren't so great that we can't come together. but what they point to is the role of social media, the role of partisan media, sort of driving up conflict, and obviously the leadership of
president trump because we have a particular moment when the leader of the country is driving division and with very much us against them story. >> and that's what won him the election. >> but it is also what is driving people away from him now. and i think the midterms, a big driver is that per excepticepti poor leadership. even thong tamong the tradition conservatives, people are recoiling from that style of divisive leadership. >> but when you sit face-to-face one-on-one, do you walk away saying everyone is pretty much a good person trying to live a good life? >> the fascinating thing with our study, we did exactly that. we had a lot of hour long conversations including people with very different views. and that conclusion was and our researchers have said it, you know, i don't agree with where this person is coming from, but, boy, they are decent people, there is a reason why they believe what they do. the challenge is that in the space of the conversations we
have in our national life now, it is so driven by the short 140 character debates. we don't get the space for that conversation. >> and now we're up to 270 characters, so let's leave some space for decency and civility. tim, amazing work. thank you so much. please read that piece, it is so important, it is time to come together. and it is time for me to hand off to my friend hallie jackson. >> thank you much. i'm hallie jackson in washington where today the president is poed, his first lady is fired up and his staffers are ready to dance to the west wing reporting. new reporting on the shakeups with we may see soon. and jockeying, behind the scenes on capitol hill, what senate races are happening right now. and new questions when the speaker ship and new reporting just in on what is going on behind closed doors. plus what we know about expected indictments in the